No.204136[Last 50 Posts]
searching for a way out edition
I already got out this year
currently working the return desk at a department store in the mall. It is not a wizardly job at all. I don't know how much longer I will last but i'm milking it for all the money i can right now. People never cease to amaze me with how stupid they are.
I work as overnight security. Not really slaving, I only work 2 days a week. I am pretty happy.
Just received an email back from my job application. Too scared to look at it right now but my heart is beating so fast and I feel terrified and full of panic.
Good luck. I hope it works out and is a good job!
Thank you Wiz. I'm not quite sure whether it's a "succubus's job", as lot of jobs like Administrator or whatever seem to be taken only by succubi. It's similar to that but I guess I'll find out.
Yeah I guess next time you won’t let him fix it on your computer then
Well I didn't get accepted for an interview. What's worse is that every single one of my answers was rated 1 out of a possible 7 in terms of their quality. The answer word limit was something like 350, and I didn't want to bore them so I tried to be concise and wrote about 150 in each case on average. Pretty disappointed to be honest.
they graded it like a school exam? what a bunch of assholes
well at least you got some kind of feedback, however un-helpful it was
I would have loved some feedback, but all I got was a message saying your submission was unsuccessful and a string of 1 out 7s. This was for a job that paid £17k (~$21k) and required no real qualifications or specific skills. Oh well.
Anyone here have any strategies for dealing with workplace bullying? I’m about to quit my job over it.
I’m undertrained and expected to be an expert on everything. My boss constantly forces me to stay back after hours. Unloading of course. And I have peer who’s made it his mission to single me out and humiliate me at every turn.
just show up for work but don't put effort or care what happens just show up and waste time. do not quit just hang out until they fire you. this way you can collect unemployment after while u try to find a different job if thats what u want. if not u still can collect some free money for a bit after being fired.
>>204243>I’m about to quit my job over it.
I did just that.
what i am doing is just do everything slowly, take my sweet ass time so i'm still "working" and on the clock but i don't do very much
whenever someone criticizes me and says "you need to be quicker" i just say "sorry" and keep on going slow
for weeks i've been doing it, we're unionized so i think they are a bit scared to fire me
I went through the exact same situation. I just stopped going in and quit. Don't do that force them to fire you get unemployment. And beat the ass of the bully. Fuck workplace bullying it's pathetic
I also always regret trusting co-workers.
I'm going through similar, I will try the stand up for yourself and confront them strategy, I'll let you know what comes of it. Unfortunately if I get fired I have little hope of finding another job in my field (engineering) after it took a long time to find one after university. Normalscum at my work picked up on my atrophied social skills, speech impediment, social anxiety, depression, self hatred etc, and are relentless with the passive aggressiveness, mocking. I can't believe I underestimated the vile, malignant, malevolent nature of normalfags. I will ask the main perpetrator why he is a massive cunt, then remind him I am larger and would easily smash his face in during a fight. Being bullied at 24 by normalscum has awoken something buried deep within me, perhaps it was for the best. I have absolutely nothing to lose.
You have several options. One is what >>204246
outlined. Worth it, if you want unemployment.
Or you could just quit. Giving two weeks notice is preferable, but you can just stop showing up.
You could also bring your concerns to a manager. Preferrably a different one from the dickhead one you mentioned in your post. Say you'd like more training, and a coworker is harassing you.
You could also keep this one and look for another job. I would do this if i were in your position.
finding a job is fucking hard
Half of the office will start their vacation this week. Everyone has 4 weeks of paid vacation to enjoy as they prefer during the summer plus 2 or 3 more during the rest of the year.
I'm only allowed to take 2 weeks of unpaid vacation in august, while earning 1/3 the salary. Internships are modern day legal slavery
maybe he is conspiring against you. ofc we can only see your perspective here.
if it was me i would try to get some coworkers on my side, complain about him to them while still fixing everything he sends me. that way if push comes to shove i have allies who can back me up who know what i'm experiencing
not necessarily complaining to bosses but if there's anyone there you're friendly with, just mention the situation to them from time to time, they can potentially vouch for you
otherwise, maybe you can complain to a supervisor, preferably with some evidence of problems you're being blamed for that weren't caused by you
either way i wouldn't confront him directly
If you use a temp agency always have a month+ in funds on hand, I've had to wait up to two because they required stupid shit like useless paperwork and drug tests and TB vaccines.
it wasnt even through an agency its just a parttime/zerohour contract where I have to fill in the hours i work and they have to be approved by a manager before they can get payed out. and they always take a few weeks to approve them. it should eventually work out I guess and stop mattering, just a painful start.
In a recent meeting, a coworker told a harmless joke about a set of recent administrative fuckups. The joke was essentially "yes we fucked up and yes it's coming out of your salary." Standard work joke.
Another co-worker across the table responded, "you shouldn't say things like that to Anon. One day he'll come in here and shoot us all."
Don't think that's a standard work joke.
Can you file a complaint? That's over the line.
he needs to thats fucked up
If I have more days like I did today, it won't be long before I exit this thread and start posting in NEET threads again.
What happened, wizzie?
Got embarrassed in front of the entire office. Starting to become the office pariah again. I thought this job would turn out differently, but nope. Same shit, different office. Ready to drop out of the workforce altogether and become a vandweller, living off my savings which is around $100k USD.
Other employees stealing from your employer are directly endangering your livelihood.
Got a job in security desk-ing.
Work from 11pm to 7am. It's been great.
That's what I'm figuring. If I were doing something similar, I'd expect to be told about it. And it would be affecting the livelihood of people who work in the department.>>204544
How so? My boss told me to do it earlier, but I hesitated doing it until it got extremely bad. I don't want to get into shit because someone else isn't doing their job properly.
Cover your ass.
Those guys wouldn't hesite one second to throw you under the bus if it came down to you vs them.
Don't listen to that white knight guy that replied.
I agree. The deli people not doing their job sounds soulless
People who snitch are usually psycopaths who enjoy other's suffering
Getting drunk on a worknight isn't a good sign. This is what I did on previous jobs right before quitting.
I think I'm starting to mentally check out of my job. Now it's only a matter of time before I actually check out of my job and put in my two-week's notice.
Protecting one's ass =/= enjoying it
How is it snitching in that case?
out of curiosity, how long do you usually last before quitting?
6-12 months unless the job is really bad. I'm at the 9 month now and am starting to burn out like I always do at this time. I've never lasted an entire year at one job and I've been working since 1999 (professional jobs since 2007).
I wouldn't recommend dropping out completely, since without a source of income that amount of savings would slowly dwindle overtime. Maybe you could look into some part-time job then if you don't like you current one?
23 anyone still living with their parents??? i never even had my own room bros
Im 32, i own a house/live by myself. I have 4 bedrooms and only use 1. I dont go out often.
House was givin to me
can i live with you
Fuck off wizkid.
Why do you reveal yourself so easily?
Wondering if I should continue my "career" in a sector that's dying for Europeans, and especially ones from my country.
It's contractor work, basically 2-6 months of prison at the time, while the work isn't hard, you spend 24 hours 7 days of the week in the workplace, and usually up to 8 (but with my luck it's been 12) hours daily actually working. It's maritime transport.
I think the conditions are getting worse - mostly because the pays stagnated, so the catering department CAN find better work in hotels. With food and people being shit usually, sleep being interrupted more often than not, you spending every hour in a LOUD place (vents, the engine, other people), offices demanding stuff from you which can and results in accidents (keeping the schedule against bad weather) I've quickly started to wonder if money's worth the effort or should I maybe embrace minimalist lifestyle and try to make the best of it. I'm not gonna be able to afford early retirement, I'm not gonna be able to afford a house in the forest away from everyone, unless I literally spend 8 months away from home every year, get a big loan (not happening), and not have a terrible accident, or even a normal one that will no longer qualify me for a health certificate (losing a finger or two is enough for that, and when the ship is rolling trust me it's easy to accidentally grab a frame of a metal door someone forgot to secure.
Plus there's all this responsibility and chance to fuck things up. It's basically only good work on offshore vessels (which are hard to get into, basically I'd have to spend most of my savings just to get the certifications and then still get jack shit in return if I'm not lucky) or companies that probably prefer employees from a country that's not shitting out graduates with no actual experience in their mid 20's. Cheap labor they get from the east.
I'm thinking of calling it quits, and pursuing a wizjob - nighttime security, warehouse, maybe learn programming/Blender to make freelance a pie in the sky dream. I got into this job for money, but before I could earn this money, I was already too old to really care about things. So now I can finally afford a gaming PC.. whoop de fucking doo if I have a hard time playing a game for 15 minutes. I can afford to play Paintball… great, except the community is dead over here and it's no longer worth it if I have to drive 2 hours to the nearest field. I can afford a second-hand car… wow, but I don't ever drive anywhere anyway so might as well just get an app for those "rent a car" things.
I fucked up.
I do, had a room since I was 14. I don't see a point in moving out if you can't move into a higher standard place. I can't, because that would take hundreds of thousands, a 4m x 4m room I have is hard to top, when you're probably cattle by top 1% standards.
I regret having an office job. I feel constant tension because there is a potential of social interaction all the time, and I'm within the field of view of at least 5 people all the time. My desk is practically in front of the door and I'm the first thing people notice when they come in.
The anxiety doesn't go away after work too, only on weekend days can I finally breathe calmly and not feel my heart beat all the time.
Next shift starts in an hour. I'm tired.
Let's see what bullshit is happening today.
How did you get into maritime transport? I'd like to work on a ferry boat in some isolated town.
Who gave it to you?
Office jobs are a special kind of hell. You're pretty much forced to be in close proximity to normans and god forbid you have some sort of social anxiety or an introver, you better learn to hide it well or you'll be instantly labeled at that weirdo autist who's silent and doesn't talk to others.
I drive a truck; I’d recommend it to a lot of you guys. I still have to deal with people every day but it’s far less. Also, be prepared to live in a truck with another person at least a month while training. It was horrible.
At least you seem approachable. Think of the 30 minute interaction as part of the job and maintenance upkeep that is annoying yet necessary. Remember that people being friendly is the lesser evil of the alternative of being an actual outcast that will sooner or later be targeted for his asocial ways.
Never work for retail distribution…or in a distribution center in general. They will constantly treat you like less of a human & it sucks.
This, do not be an edgy retard and be grateful they make the social grooming themselves by ranting to you.
Maritime Academy, they fix you up with all the certificates you need to be a Ordinary Seaman. If the market was better, you'd need even less than that to be a Deck Hand.
Ferry boat in some isolated town sounds good. I was working in Norway for some time, and envied their ferry/small boat infrastructure. My country doesn't have that, despite having both rivers and sea access.
I work in a distribution center and for us this only really applies to the bottom feeders doing unskilled labor like material handling. And even then unless you're some drooling temp doing putaway for a month you'll have your ass covered by the union and get away with literally anything. I've seen middle-aged coworkers blatantly talk down to their supervisors and disrespect them and nothing happens because of the union. Half of our staff would be booted out on their asses in under a week otherwise.
What experiences have you had with being mistreated?
What is your biggest problem with your job?
What change to that problem would satisfy you?
e.g. working hours, salary
I just let em rant until they get bored and fuck off. Like you say, it seems like part of the job. I still find it annoying. Guess it beats "being the quiet, unapproachable guy.">>204709
Can you explain yourself?
>>204714>What is your biggest problem with your job?
The general toll that working full-time takes on my emotional well-being.
>What change to that problem would satisfy you?
Working 3-4 days MAX instead of 5-6 every week.
Also, being able to work from home would help immensely because it would give me more free time before and after work and lower my anxiety levels that stem from being surrounded by other people all day.
People tend to avoid talking to me but some will rant to me even if I have nothing to say just because I listen I guess. I'm borderline quiet unapproachable guy and now like to give off that vibe since I have no reason not to. I don't want to associate with all those snakes. Who knows what agendas they have if they somehow become a friend enough to talk to you outside of work. I need to really trust the person.
This. Also wouldn't hurt to get some UBI so if I decide that I need some frugal time off, I can, without wondering if I starve at the end of it because it takes months to find work again.
Ah, I got you now. I am like you. I tend to keep to myself, as I have nothing to say, nor do I really want to interact with anyone outside my parents or if someone wants to talk about work.
That being said, I must come across as either approachable or being a good listener, given how often that guy comes in and rants about himself. It's weird.
quston: What happens if the truck gets problems, do you have to know how to fix anything?
I got the certs from my consript service but i'm not a car guy so i don't know how to fix jack shit.
I assume they have some partnership shit with services signed so if something happens they want you to contact them ASAP instead of fixing your own shit. It's probably good if you have some mechanic background but what matters to them is time and money. If your pro fixes will cost them extra delay and money, you'll be in more trouble.
Anyone else just doesn't like to be in a position of responsibility? I've always avoided it cause I don't care much for doing more then what's expected of me. I got an email from the boss asking me if I wanted to take on some additional tasks at work however I think I'll decline. Reason being is that this will mean a change in hours then from what I'm used to and also the fact that I just don't care for doing more tasks. In my experience taking on more responsibilities at work always equals more stress. Therefore, the less tasks you are responsible for, the easier a job becomes.
I quit my shitty warehouse job a few months ago because i couldn't take it anymore. Now I'm running out of money so I've paid for a security course to improve my chances of getting employed.
But the faggot running the course is making us do acting to replicate real life scenarios with aggressive customers we might experience. I don't wanna do any of that shit but I'd force myself to if it wasn't for the fact we had to act as the customers too.
Wtf do i have to act drunk or angry or like a normalfag for.
Cant stand this bullshit.
If they said you'd have to act I'd have never wasted my money.
Everyone else in the class had no problem since they're all extroverted normgroids.
Just push through it and get the license. 99% of the time nothing ever happens in these security jobs and I never had any incidents when I worked as one. Also compared to warehousing work, security jobs are top-wiz tier. Some tips - make sure and try to get an easy post like doing night security or working in some place where you're basically there just by yourself. Avoid jobs where you have to be on your feet all day or deal with normgroids like retail security work, since that usually means you'll have to stand the whole time and watch customers for shoplifters.
Also check to see whether you'll be allowed to bring in a laptop or a phone with you to do something when you're on site, some companies are lax when it comes to that. I worked for a really chill security company that basically allowed me to bring in a laptop and do whatever to pass the time, so I took full advantage of that. Watched as much anime and TV shows as I could. It was great.
Push through, I've got to go through same shit for my maritime courses. I really thought I'm leaving that shit behind in High School, but so far all the shit parts are as persistant as ever.
how long until you're fired after the "stop being so shy" talk by the boss?
like maybe a month or two
I've never been fired for being shy
how do you keep getting job offers if you quit within a year, and have been for 20 years?
By fudging my resume.
If it wasn't for a week-long vacation that I'll be taking later this month, I'd be putting in my two-week's notice tomorrow morning. The commute keeps getting worse and worse, the office keeps getting more and more crowded, and I seem to be getting less and less popular among the people on my floor. If things don't change by next month, I'll be going back to NEETdom until I'm ready to send out my fudged resume to more employers (probably a year from now when I get the urge to do something with my life again).
It's a complete nightmare for people like us. If I could do my current job from home, I would have no problem working until I'm 65 or older. Instead, I strongly doubt I'll make it until the end of the year and might not even make it another month the way things are going.
Don't romanticize working remote. I moved from an office to working remote as a programmer in the same company.
They still expected me to be available at the exact same hours as everyone else was. People will also talk and look down at you whenever you have to step on the office for never being there.
Lots of communication issues, most people don't know how to write an email, they can't word their problem or needs, they'll use it as a chat and expect an immediate reply. I received constant phone calls for stupid reasons, like checking up if I had read an email sent 2 minutes ago or asking what I was working on that exact moment. They'll have meetings and change your job and requirements however they like without telling you or allowing feedback. This is really problematic when working on software.
The pros were getting ride of things like commute and any kind of chit chat.
I don't recommend remote unless there's a stablished culture of remote work and the rest of the employees also work remote, it just ends up being more stressfull due to incompetences.
anyone know a good security company that has good full time nightshift security hours??
Try whatever company is available where you are at. You're late though, the regulars are returning from their summer vacations now, so there will be less hours available even for the recently hired guys who worked for the summer.
Best of luck to you though, I found it to be an excellent job. I would be a nightwalker anyway, now I even get paid for it.
I'm planning to quit my job on Monday, because I feel like the company I work for is sinister in what they do. The people I work with are ok, but I feel ashamed really to look back and think I worked for this company for so long.
Unfortunately my mother lives with a long-term partner who has his own kids, so I can't move back in with them while looking for another job. Any advice on finding work as a low-skill guy in his late 20s?
You're in a completely different line of work, so a lot of that wouldn't apply to me if I worked from home.
There would be so many advantages to me telecommuting that I would gladly do it for minimum wage:
>Getting to wake up 1-2 hours later>Starting my evening 1-2 hours earlier>Wearing more comfortable clothing>Avoiding nervewracking commutes>Not having to cross busy streets>Having way more privacy at home>No office politics and social hierarchies
As for these:
>They still expected me to be available at the exact same hours as everyone else was.
>People will also talk and look down at you whenever you have to step on the office for never being there.
So people showing disdain towards me on rare occasions vs. people showing disdain towards me 5-6 days a week. I'll take it!
>Lots of communication issues
I communicate a lot better electronically than verbally. Telecommuting would allow me to do more of the former and less of the latter.
>I received constant phone calls for stupid reasons
Wouldn't receive any of these.
>They'll have meetings
I wouldn't have these if I worked from home. Or I'd only have virtual meetings. Another advantage to working from home.
>and change your job and requirements however they like
No different than working a normal office job in my experience
I realize that your situation is a little different, but for me, working remotely would provide so many advantages that I would take a substantial pay cut to do it.
apparently people are spreading nasty rumors about me at work, or just someone who shares my given name unluckily is affecting my reputation
either way, not helpful
Sorry, lemme reformulate. Based on what they say these things? Do you have a idea of something you did in the past?
i honestly don't know, someone just told me "stacy overheard you talking in a very inappropriate way", now i barely talk to my coworkers. let alone anything that could potentially get me in trouble with management. i asked further and of course, it's someone with my name, probably who works in a different department. so of course i denied saying anything like that.
i just hope it doesn't cause any problems for me at work. for christ's sake, i just started working there, and within two months people are already connecting me with some shitty rumors. i try to not cause problems, get along with everybody, not badmouth anybody, be polite to all the customers no matter what. am i really being hated, or was this one person just fucking with me? i am just going to act like they haven't told me anything.
It's 2 am, coming from working 9-10 hours…
Before I faint to sleep, the band in my place played a female cover of "with or without you". It sounded more like a version by Silversun Pickups featuring Cindy Lauper.
That's all, zzzzzzzzzzzzz…
Thank fuck I don’t have overtime this week. These past few weeks work has been asking me to come in on my days off constantly, and so far I haven’t been able to avoid them until now. Feels good man.
I'm applying for more jobs. I'm trying to get a career out of this, so wish me luck. I need to get out of my comfort zone if I ever want to stop being so depressed about this whole situation.
I work for one of the most sinister corporations in the entire world. I commend you for having the guts to go for broke, I resent my job and myself.
Anyway, I can't recommend any jobs to you, but good luck.
Maybe homelessness is better.
If it's any consolation, I work a corporate white collar job in a cubicle with a ton of boomers and no fucking lie I envy the manual labor jobs. The place I work at drug tests. I want to cry, but I think I have something neurologically wrong with me where I can't cry even when I'm feeling devastated and screaming internally.
You're one of us, though. You deserve respect for wageslaving in my book. It's probably worth very little to you if anything, but maybe you can view this change in your life as a new adventure. You're going to need to stay as optimistic as possible.
I know this feel.
Are you planning to quit? I seriously feel like I've sold my soul, and I'm not even earning tons of money.
I was promoted to from a manual labor job to a middle management tier job and I quit shortly after that. Office boomers are the worst. If it was possible to be part-time manual labor worker, working would be tolerable. It's either nothing or>>205198
>>205198>away from everything that can make me happy
Look on the bright side at least something can make you happy
I don't know if it makes sense to ask this here since this thread is biased against work but did working help you establish a structure in your life and improve your discipline?
I would like to work but I feel like I am just not capable to at the moment. I can't keep a consistent sleep schedule because I keep taking long midday naps, I feel weak and I can't focus. So I think that I need to get these things sorted out before appliying for work. But now I wonder if maybe these things would improve if I got work first?
Different fag, worked for 4 years when it was either that or the street. It helped my gain some assurance and filled up bank accounts but made me want to kill myself at times. I guess knowing that money was gonna keep coming gave some sort of peace of mind.
Re-entered neetdom willingly and I feel like myself again, but the damocles sword is back again, even if much further away than during my first neet cycle.
Just can't have both.
I'm trying to find online work to supplement my shitty part-time IRL job in data entry. I just got turned down from an online Shopify job so that tells you what a peanut-brained failure I am. On a side note, every time I go in for a morning shift (9-5), my health deteriorates exponentially. I honestly will be surprised if I even live to see 2020.
If your english is good, you could do remote English teaching to people in Asia. There's apps for that. I remember a couple years ago I made like $100 something in a month just by having some conversations in english with people from China. And I'm not even a licensed teacher or anything like that. The only downside was in order to get incoming calls, you'd have to be awake in the early mornings or late nights due to the time zone difference, but it was kind of a fun easy gig.
It's 9:30 in the evening and succubi from the flat next to me are listening to loud disco music, possibly hosting a party, and are thus making it impossible for me to focus on my daily philosophical readings, or anything really. By the rules, they're permitted so until 11. I'll have to go for a walk since it's so unbearable.
I wasn't going to, but I'll have to listen to some black metal with the speaker facing the wall as I get ready for my slave job tomorrow at 6am.
Is anyone here struggling to pay rent?
It helps some people especially if the shifts aren't too long. For me it just meant getting more and more tired each day due to shit sleep until days off. It felt like it was slowly destroying my health.
Im stuck in a meme job with unstable hours. Pay is okay but meaningless when I don't get hours. Not that I want any at this point, fuck that place.
With the help of a relative ive been trying to get another more serious job with better pay and regular hours, but ive been rejected like 5 times and to be honest its a pretty shitty job even if they did hire me (which they wont).
I really dont see the point of going on if this is my life.
Be careful with any kind of warehouses. I had a brief experience with that, didnt take long to quit.
Alot of the people who work in those places are extremely toxic. Many are simply too incompetent to do anything else other than lift boxes all day. Thats the high point of their career. They'll bring you down further than you thought possible. And depending on what and where, it can be dirty and tedious work. Never again for me.
Yes, it has. Rather, my current job is. At my current job, i work all nights, Monday through Friday nights. I have set hours, too.
I found it harder at my last job, primarily because they would schedule me basically at random.. 10am-6pm one day, 4pm-midnight the next, 8Am- 4pm, one day off, 6-10. That kind of schedule was bad, as I couldn't rest. I'd often get called in on my days off, or have a shift change on w moments notice.
Anyway, I'm meandering about my personal anecdote. It may be worthwhile checking to see if there are any jobs with set schedules. Doesn't have to be literally 9-5, could be all nights or evenings. The focus could improve your schedule. It did mine
Thanks. That's good to know.
i did the same thing couple years back, problem was i could not find another job for a year. shit is tough man, that's a really hard choice to make
Go back to 8ditgag
What is your issue?
You do not understand. And asking this question, chances are you never will.
>>205393>I don't think I'm in major trouble, as the manager told me to knock it off or go home early if my work's done.
Meant to say that she gave me a verbal warning instead of a written one. This is the first time she, or anyone, gave me a warning, too.
Not sure why this is bugging me so much, though. Oh well.
Everything is political. The authoritarian social relationships we experience at wageslavery is due to the involvement of the propertarians in the political system to enforce their warped idea of 'justice' that they should have a right to own property, and so the right to oppress people. By refusing to engage with the system that is controlling you and by being apolitical, you're signing your consent with the status quo and defending the system that controls you and the actions it participates in.
The wealthy know this and they want you to stay in your bubble, refusing to bother to learn and expand your understanding of the system. However, political change doesn't happen without mass mobilization of people and resources, to make concrete demands. Disengagement and apathy are not your friend if you don't want to be a wageslave, it's only a friend of the elites that encourage this attitude.
Also, it's interesting that in every other thread we can point out the conditions that are causing us deppression, but when it comes to wageslavery pointing this out is taboo. In other threads, their specific reasons for deppression can be temporarily solved by individual acts like excercise, suicide, leaving the area, ect, but when it comes to a remedy that requires meeting other individuals for a common goal, even just pointing out the reasons is opposed.
Everything is political, true: everyone wants to be on top, everyone wants his interests fulfilled and his needs and wishes satisfied, all want their position to be the new moral high ground and their ideology the one that dominates society; selfish desires, material or abstract, like influence or self-affirmation, is what drives both the left and the right, which makes them both equally disgusting.
Socialism is not a cure-all like its proponents imagine it to be, it has its flaws which I'm not willing to discuss so as not to derail the thread further and because it has already been done to death by all of its adversaries.
The faultiest part, in any case, always seems to be humanity. Any ideology that makes humans or "the cause of humanity" its cornerstone misses the point entirely. Humans are animals and should be treated as such: our stomachs are bottomless and our intelligence is limited, our audacity is out of bounds and our achievements are miniscule.
The only logical solution is to instate a system that'll oppress everyone and serve nobody's interests, provide no guarantees unless you earned them or are working to earn them, which will put an abstract idea of civilization, nation or progress and its preservation above humankind itself and stay that way until we've learned to remove all that's animal about ourselves, something that is probably never going to happen, sadly.
There is no set human nature, how people act is only influenced by the institutions in their society. You can see this by how people behave in non-capitalist societies, like the kibbutz in israel, rojava, and evidence from anthropologists of other non-hierarchical societies. In a capitalist society the institutions encourage greed at the expense of labor, priding itself on commodities. A socialist society has different institutions to encourage different human behaviors and mitigate the negative ones we see under capitalism, in particular I advocate for the basic ones described in libertarian socialist theory, based on free association, free federation, and mutual aid. Selfishness itself is not a crime, but it only becomes so when you satisfy your selfishness at the expense of others, and only the institutions under capitalism allow you to do that. Under socialist economy you would cooperate with others in your own self interest to satisfy a need not met with your current productive capacities, and a desire to be free. No serious socialist has ever said that humans are perfect beings and that we will create a utopian society, but we provide realistic alternatives to realistic problems. No society has ever been perfect and none ever will be. But a socialist one will have less issues than a capitalist one and be better to live in. A free society is based on free human beings and so with their own problems and difficulties. If you're looking for a utopian perfect society talk to the 'free market' capitalists'. If you're looking for a realistic society, human and so imperfect, then you will find it in libertarian socialism.
Fucking hell, I dont want to go to work tomorrow.
I've been browsing wallstreetbets on reddit, wishing I was one of those big autist winners who YOLOd on some stupid ass stock and got lucky. I would like to win $400k on the market. My house would be paid off and I would have enough money for utilities+taxes, which would take so much stress away from my life.
sometimes I feel like I'm too pessimistic and don't take enough risks. But I realize that what the numbers are telling me, is that if I gambled I'd be with the losers. The winning gamblers just draw our attention and envy. And its not like I have average luck, but cursed luck.
the fact that it's newsworthy when someone wins at those games, is evidence enough of how rarely that happens. if it happened all the time it would be no big deal. in reality, you have to be an extremely adept mathmagician, or an extremely lucky fool
just wageslavery. Work is alright as long as it serves a purpose other than to use you like a tool and discard when you break.
I'm from a post-soviet shithole. Socialism plain fucking sucks, capitalism would be alright if it was heavily regulated by the country I think. Outsourcing labor and attracting immigrants fucking killed it.
>>205501>win something>country takes 81% tax
whoop de fucking doo.
We certainly live in a society
Capitalism is great if you're rich and wealthy,
Socialism is probably fine if you're poor with little to no ambition in your life,
They're both terrible systems to exist in for your average, middle-class peon though
>>205533>College debt takes 20% of that>Rent takes 30% of that>Credit card payment takes 15% of that
At least you have a say in those. I also have to pay my healthcare because I work abroad/NEET without signing into labor office and would have to pay rent out of the pitiance Big Brother would leave me.
It's all capitalist now, and you're probably young and only grew up in the time when it was under capitalist reforms or full capitalism which is when quality of life started going down hill, but the older generations under the five year plans is when they had constant economic progress, which you weren't alive then to see. This guy goes around the soviet union and interviews a lot of the older folk and I haven't seen any that disagree with my statement. Video is related and in many other videos.
But again, I'm not advocating for that type of socialism. There are many schools of socialism, the ussr's version was one school (marxist leninism) and I don't follow that school. As I have already pointed out, I'm a libertarian socialist, and if you want evidence of what that looks like you can look up revolutionary catalonia, although it lasted shortly. >>205552
I'll disagree and say that capitalism only good if you're rich and wealthy. Since capitalism is a broken system meant to centralize wealth, the middle classes in capitalist countries is shrinking and the majority of people are poor. Not to mention the alienated, dehumanizing lives people live under it. But I'll not derail this thread any further, see the politics thread and I can prove what I said if you're interested.
I simply don't waste hundreds of dollars on useless plastic junk.
Other than the bare necessities that it takes to live (at least a handful of clothes, food/shelter if your breeders don't provide this) there's absolutely nothing on the planet worth buying once you have a computer.
>>205605>How do you afford things like merchandise (figurines/posters/etc.)
I don't, they're expensive and pretty much useless,I like anime just like the average wizard,but spending money on plastic shit is ridiculous
Usually buy them with money that my parents/family give me,and sometimes I sell shit on ebay
I managed to buy a PS3/PSVita/PS4 Pro/PSVR/Nintendo Switch and a high end smartphone without slaving a single day,quite an accomplishment for a NEET like me.
Fucked up big time. Lied on my resume / CV for a job a couple of years ago, got an interview but it was the next day and I couldn't make it.
Now a similar job, much better than the last, has been advertised by the same local council organization but I'm too scared to apply in case they ask why my resume doesn't include something I mentioned on my previous application. I hate myself for lying in the first place, it's disgusting.
My parents are dirt poor so the government paid me in exchange of going to high school and university.
You're derailing the thread but I'm going to respond anyway.
Wageslavery is the need to work and you need to work in socialist systems even more than you do in capitalist. In capitalism, you at least have the chance of living on interest, whereas in socialism you'd be gutted for being a parasite if you did that. The idea of "fulfilling" work has always been mostly a delusion, if not in the past certainly in a technological society. One of the reasons work sucks so much for wizards is the social nature of it, which is exacerbated by technology and the servicification of the economy, and I don't want to deal with coworkers when I'm working let alone "organize" something with them and basically turn my life into a function of whatever retarded thing I work on.
not true. Wageslavery is a distinct form of work under capitalism in which someone controls your labor and the product of it. capitalism's defining feature is wageslavery, but it is not the only form of work. I won't go into depth about why the rest of your response is wrong because I don't want to derail, see the politics thread and repost it so I can respond.
Apparently they're basically bumping my schedule back an hour. Instead of 10-7, I'll work 9-6. Whatever, I'll still avoid taking extended washroom breaks.
Can you live on $1,000 a month?
Cheapest apartments I find are $300 and that's with a roommate. Is it worth living with someone else?
>>205676>Is it worth living with someone else?
no way, human beings are demons.
Depends on the roommate. If you find another wizard to live with, its possible, if it's some normie with an active "social life" you'll regret it.
What's the point of moving out if you'll be living with other people? Just stay with your parents.
I live with my brother and his wife
Probably tolerable if it's a boarding house type arrangement where everyone is just renting a room (landlord doesn't live there) and keeps to themselves, but renting a room in someone's house is really weird. Even worse if it's a normie with a social life (as above) or, god forbid, a couple.
I did it for a while and felt on edge the entire time. It never feels like your own place; I felt very uneasy, like everything I did was being examined and somehow wrong. Getting back into private accommodation was a huge relief.
The people I stayed with got a divorce after I moved out.
I dunno, I can't shake the feeling that I can be let go at anytime. Even though my job hasn't given me any reason to suspect that. I think probably due to the fact that I'm just a replaceable worker with no real connection or ties to the place. I guess that's why I try to not get too overtly attached to anywhere I work and just always save up as much money from my pay as I can. Hell, even my desk at work is clear from personal possessions and looks just like the first day I started working there.
Anybody have moral issues with what their company does?
A few years ago I was on low money, so didn't consider myself complicit in what my company does. But now I'm on pretty good money, and am no longer young enough to be able to use that as an excuse.
Would you think I'm retarded if, for the sake of my conscience, I submitted my resignation without anything else lined up?
I am unemployed right now, but my previous job was really fucked up. It was an HVAC company that was really focused on sales. They literally had sales classes that taught us how to sell extremely expensive air conditioning units to elderly people dieing of cancer.
Needless to say, I didn't do too well there. Both because I sucked at the social side of sales and because i felt really awful doing it. I thought it was going to be more of a technical repairman kind of job but it really sucked.
How come you left? Resigned or fired?
I resigned but I am pretty sure they were going to fire me for performance reasons within a week.
Good for you. Is it hard finding work in your area?
What kind of things are you applying for?
Ive been having a lot of problems with depression and health since then. I have been out of work for about a year. I will probably begin applying soon but I dont know.
Sorry to hear that, but good luck.
Where are you located, if I may ask? Understand if you'd prefer not to say.
>>205701>selling useless junk to gullible people
literally what 80% of all companies do
this is the reason why I never want to buy anything. Because I know I am getting ripped off and someone is pocketing 40% profits and comissions as the entire work was done by slave children in congo or china
I also started to get rid of all my possessions that I don't really need. If it lays around for a year and I don't use it, I get rid of it
also, the less you consume, the less time you waste with work to earn money
Thank you. I am in the southwest US. If I do want to get back into HVAC I can probably get a job pretty easy but I am not sure I want to do that again.
I've been doing bus dispatch for a while which was comfy since I spent more time just sending messages on the computer than ever having to talk to people. And since most of the company is old tech illiterates I did my job well and fast enough to play around on my phone most of the time.
But now to placate the oldest with seniority's schdules I'm being moved to a bus stop with no technology or facilities to do customer service all day greeting and talking to people getting on or off the bus. It's almost time to be a NEET again I suppose…
>…so experience is a must
Then fucking look for a candidate yourselves, someone with experience probably has a job like that already, you lazy fucking cunts, and won't bother applying.
The experience meme is really annoying, how am I supposed to gain experience without working the job in my life? Do I have to do jobs like that for free to gain experience? Like an internship?
They don't even have internships. You have to miraculously find yourself in those conditions somehow.
I'd love to go for less pay as a trainee or whatever, but it's simply not possible. Holy fuck I should have chosen some trade or freelance job, at least I wouldn't feel like a useless retard with no skills and "experience".
i'm a shitty useless deli worker. i hate my job and my life at home with parents. who thinks i should try to get a cs degree, starting from community college, so i can break into the it field. is it worth it?
I'm in a similar situation. I work in a supermarket. While I like my job, I'm sure I can get a better one if I get some certs or some more schooling.
i just wish i knew, how valuable is a degree… i got an a+ cert and it seems useless so far… maybe bachelors from a nice school would be better. i hear mixed accounts about it all, some people even saying they got an entry level it job with NO experience or certs… now i have no idea how that's possible unless they just got super lucky/have connections in the field. i couldn't even get an interview with my cert, granted i suck at the whole "job search" thing too…
>NO experience or certs… now i have no idea how that's possible
In many cases those people might not have experience in a company but they have a pretty good portfolio with a couple of interesting projects to show for it.
this is why real work is a boomer meme only
you either trade shitcoins or heroin to get rich
everything else is lost time
you will never make it otherwise
Boomers ruined everything. Fuck 'em.
Boomers hit 40 in the 1990s and it was pretty good
well, i am kind of screwed in that regard, i am a very private person by nature and i certainly don't have anything worth publishing on say github. i guess that is for those creative "driven" types who just keep getting motivated to make new projects… not me. i don't even have enough energy to finish a video-game most of the time.
Anyone else work for a poor ass company? Not only is my company poor, they are poorly managed. So, as a middle manager, I basically can't change anything, and they won't spend any money on equipment until it kicks the bucket entirely. You guys who have real jobs who work for companies that are actually lucrative don't know how good you have it.
To be a boomer loser you must have made some terrible life choices and missed out on the only time where you could actually be 'succesful' at life rather easily.
My parents afforded to build a house after a year of work. I could barely afford a new car even if I saved 100% of what I earned.
I worked on several underequipped ships. It's very easy when you've got
a) offices in another country full of people that haven't worked on a ship approving orders
b) a captain who doesn't want to anger the company by constant orders of high-end shit
Basically shit like safety stickers, paint rollers, boiler suits that weren't synthetic crap were always short - and if you had an inspection at port, they'd crush your balls about it. You would have to prove that you made an order, but then it would turn out captain denied it, so now you've framed the captain who's worked for this company for 40 years and knows everyone while you're from a shitty country that hasn't heard of unions and only thing ITF does are dart tournaments. Enjoy looking for your next job. The only good news I've heard recently is that HR bitches can't just call eachother due to GDPR and ask should they blacklist you now, or after you've spent hundreds of dollars and weeks of your time doing their shitty Spoken English tests etc.
I hate work.
No job no experience, no experience no job. The catch-22 of my life.>>205772
The company I work for is so ghetto that it doesn't even have its own name on the building or even a sign, and it's in an industrial neighborhood where even the buses won't drive. >>205698
The company I worked for before my current job would get us on scripts cold calling people to convince them about getting reverse mortgages or why they should sell their land with oil to some company that only had a PO Box address and no phone number. I still hate myself for not walking out right away when I did for making those shit calls just to get some min wage paycheck.
Since the moment I started working here I heard a lot about how the company got this big client or the other. Being a small company without many employees, hearing about this several times a month I thought it was earning a lot of money.
End of fiscal year comes and the boss calls everyone into a small room, then he proceeded to cheerfully explain the results of the year. The net revenue was lower than my salary as a part timer. My thoughts went from "I might get a good salary here" to "I hope I'm fired soon to get some severance pay".
It's not crazy to think that most Boomers will end up homeless, they got their money by chance. No hard work, no intelligence, just luck of the post war period.
Them losing it is logical.
this a great fantasy to daydream about, i hope it comes true.
that, and they're getting old, and their kids hate them
Ever have those times where something really puts a dent in your wallet for a huge chunk of money you saved for over a months work of min wage slavery and the little motivation you had to work goes down the toilet? Being a part time retail monkey I barely have the energy for as it is went from bad to "nauseating marry go round" experience bad. I wanna quit but I know it'll be worse since I don't have that huge cushion to fall back on and as I just experienced it can all be gone in a second.
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Are there any jobs with either better hours or better money in your area? Normgroid tier advice, i know, but it may be worth looking for another.
I know the feeling, though