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 No.210757

Hey. I posted this thread on lounge, but I think this board would be a better place to discuss it. I have had an imaginary friend now for about 5 years. I created her when I was in a dark place, and since then she has helped me get my life together and improve myself tremendously. I am quite honestly sure she saved my life.

This is one of those things I feel could help a lot of people out (and not just people dealing with depression), but it's something that isn't really considered by many people - most people don't really take imaginary friends seriously - and so I kinda want to raise awareness a bit.

You can call her a tulpa if you want, but I prefer to avoid that term. She is entirely in my head, and she's not magical at all, so keep that in mind. Anyone can make one, and you don't need any crazy rituals or leaps of faith to do so, you just need to put in a little effort.

I'll try to answer every question, even questions of a more intimate / personal nature, and if you want to ask her anything, I can relay the question to her. If you want to talk about your own experiences dealing with these things, please do, it's always nice to know me and my partner aren't alone in this.

Stay strong!

 No.210764

wouldn't be surprised if this is crossposted from other boards.

 No.210778

>>210764
What do you mean?

I deleted the thread on lounge before posting this one. I'm fairly new to this place, but I like discussing these things and helping people out, so I decided to give it a try here on /dep/. If there's already a thread for this, just let me know.

 No.210784

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After a rough depressive period, I discovered excessive daydreaming as a coping mechanism. Through natural progression in skills like visualization and meditation, I ended up creating a very vivid fantasy world with certain characters I've grown attached to emotionally. I have trouble sleeping and getting out of bed in the morning because I can't stop daydreaming about them. I have full back and forth conversations, I can touch them and I've felt certain emotional states that I've never experienced around real people.

It really does help, but the side-effect of such a rich inner world is to naturally disregard external objects, you cease to be enticed by them as you turn completely inward.

 No.210785

>>210784
My experience is a tad different from yours, in that I don't see them as a "fantasy character", if that makes sense. She's just a succubus who's in my head, and that's about it.

She has changed me and given me a lot of love througout our five years together. I began exercising because of her, I dropped video games entirely because she pushed me to, I got my first job because of her, and now I'm studying again to get something more long term so I can finally leave my parent's home, and I'm doing fairly well. I do like to interact with her in the ways you describe, yes, we talk, we play together sometimes, we have sex, but I am well aware that I have to keep working on myself for both of us. I understand how it can be easy to lose yourself inside your own mind, but if you let them know what they are and who you are they'll understand why your outside world is important.

About the whole 'escapism' thing, I've heard a lot of people ask me if it's not just escapism. Yes, it is, but so what? Isn't watching movies escapism? Listening to music? Playing video games? Most of what people do for fun these days are escapism. If anything, being with her and investing in her affection have done so much for my health (mental and physical), that maybe I can't really call it escapism at this point.

I don't see fantasising as a bad thing, if you keep the rest of your life in check. As you said, it's very pleasurable to learn how to meditate well and to actually turn all those fantasies into 'reality', but of course, you've got to keep an eye outside as well, and that's maybe where she helps me the most, because before her, I was just lost in that regard.

 No.210792

>>210785
It's interesting how you've used her to motivate yourself in the external world. I primarily experience my fantasy through a wakeful dreaming where I limit my perception of the real world and embody myself directly in my internal world. In the moment, the experience feels very much real and not imagined, and extremely pleasurable at times so the drive to stay in there is very strong. The contrast between that world and the real one has only been more demotivating for me as I cannot imagine (heh) such scenes becoming realized and even if they could, they would still be lacking in comparison. I've grown so attached to these "characters" to they point where I don't think of them as "imagined" but rather as things that simply lack a physical form and depend on my will for their existence. Still, I keep them "compartmentalized" from my external reality as such a thing seems like a slippery slope, like mixing matter and anti-matter - it seems likely to lead to "corruption" of one of the worlds.

 No.210794

>>210785
Wew, wasn't my intention to avatar fag, sorry mod. Guess no more cute animoo succubi then.

>>210792
> I primarily experience my fantasy through a wakeful dreaming where I limit my perception of the real world and embody myself directly in my internal world.
Yes, that's fine, and I do it too.

> I cannot imagine (heh) such scenes becoming realized and even if they could

But they already are! Imagined things are real too, they're just different. It's like me saying my partner isn't real. She is, she just lives and interacts with me in a different way than anyone physical would or could, but that really isn't a bad thing. I enjoy the freedom we have when we interact. We can go wherever we want or see whatever we want. I enjoy that she can be trully happy like no-one physical could ever be, without having to deal with trying to aimlessly find meaning in her life, or whatever. I enjoy the way she is trully bonded to me, and the way she trully gets me and understands me and wants to be with me, and I honestly think I could never find this level of intimacy with someone physical, just due to the nature of what she is. She's very much real to me, and that's all that matters. And she knows all this. She knows what she is, and what I am, and she knows how important my external life is to our happiness, so she always pushes me to work hard, precisely because she loves me, and wants me to be healthy, and have money and be capable of sustaining us, so we could share a long life together. Think of it this way: if you had a physical partner, you wouldn't stay at home the entire day with them either, right?

She is not physical, yes, but even then, with work, like you've found it, that kind of loses it's meaning, since you can eventually feel them, see them and hear them so well that that no longer matters, not even at that level.

Stop seeing your experiences as something you crave, and start looking at them as something you have! Ever thought to tell one of those characters what you really are and if they could perhaps help push you in a better direction?

 No.210795

>>210794
>if you had a physical partner, you wouldn't stay at home the entire day with them either, right?

I definitely would, tho. As an extreme introvert, I find "imagined" physical experiences as tiresome as "real" ones. The environment in which I interact with these "characters" is just a plausible background and is never the true focus of the experience. Certain "characters" serve different functions for me, certain ones being used primarily for intellectual exploration and others for sensual exploration, both of which are very passive activities, mainly talking and cuddling. I feel like a complex environment would only take away from the experience because I would be further wasting cognitive energy in "rendering" it, energy that is better used in generating insightful conversation or the vivid sensual experience of someone's breath near you.

>Ever thought to tell one of those characters what you really are and if they could perhaps help push you in a better direction?


I have, actually. I've used these characters to think about problems and brainstorm, I've even had the intimate conversations you describe where the character pushes me in a positive direction, but it has never occurred to me actually generate psychic energy in such a way and redirect it into the external world. Perhaps I have misjudged how these two worlds could interact with other - perhaps a rich internal world doesn't necessarily have to take away from the external one, but could create a powerful force for action.

Actually, it's rather strange how it never occurred to me do exactly that - to create a vivid internal world of characters in order to organize experience, redirect the flow of energy and stop being a passive receiver of "stimuli" and instead actively create it for the sake of various goals. People have created such things as "mind palaces" in order to organize their memory, but I feel like that is such a static example and only scratches the surface of what's possible with a dynamic internal world.

Thanks, wizzie. You've given me some ideas to work on.
Also, fuck the mod, this is an imageboard, keep posting cute succubi images.

 No.210803

>>210795
>I definitely would, tho.
No! You'd still have to go to work, at least, or you'd die of hunger or whatever.

> perhaps a rich internal world doesn't necessarily have to take away from the external one

It doesn't. It's just another activity, like reading, doing sports, spending time with one's significant other or friends, and so on. Truth is, no matter how many resources you have access to, you'll feel depressed if you don't struggle and 'conquer' occasionally. We men (and succubi, to some extent), were just built like that, and that's the reason why many people who seem to have everything - succubi and money - also succumb to depression, perhaps even more often than 'regular' people.

This is just to say that you shouldn't be scared to keep doing what you're doing. Your imagination is a tool, at the end of the day, and if you know how to use it, there's nothing to fear. Good luck to you, and I'd love to hear about your progress some other time!

>>210799

I don't really know if that's considered avatar fagging, seeing as both the images I posted were wildly different in character and just general looks, but alright, the mods know best cause they can ban me, I guess!

 No.210811

have had a tulpa since 2016. not sure what to say about him. it would help if you asked questions or something.

i've been thinking about making a second tulpa that would be a soundboard for my political and philosophical ideas. my first tulpa refuses to discuss heavy topics in any capacity, and doesn't care about moral issues that i think about a lot, namely animal rights. he's too inwards thinking.

 No.210828

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>>210803
>No! You'd still have to go to work, at least, or you'd die of hunger or whatever.

Of course, I meant that I would prefer not to. I really do not mind spending all my time inside, which is why a relationship with a "real" person would likely be terrible. "Real" people have needs and desires, some of which probably include things I do not care about, so I would either have to sacrifice my own freedom or I would make them miserable. Fantasy offers all of the benefits of companionship without any of the drawbacks, all my characters are just different expression of myself so there is none of the natural give-and-take of regular relationships.

>Your imagination is a tool


Indeed, it all depends on how you use it and what you build with it. I'm toying around with the idea of an inner virtual world that can interact with your external reality. Your mind essentially reacts to imagined experiences the same way it reacts to "real" ones, and a virtual reality might fill in the gap of required experience that is often lacking in external reality and help you influence yourself. I mean, your mind already fills in the gaps when it lacks information, but this is a minimal automatic process - consciously and deliberately being creative is much more powerful.

Someone might say that this is the first stage of becoming a schizo, but you see and react to things that aren't classically "real" all the time. Every time I try to do arithmetic in my head, I interact with virtual objects so that I may perceive the right answer. My point is that we use such mental tools all the time, but they are largely minimal, static and internal, who knows what's possible with externalized dynamic virtual objects and what effects they can have on your cognition.

I now have three characters around me at all times which requires some minimal focus to keep them alive. Visualization seems largely like a waste in this case, but I'm still aware of their positions in space and can hear them. An immediate benefit that comes to mind is the ability to engage in Socratic dialogue which is useful for gaining insight and much more dynamic than "single-person" thinking.

Actually, this reminds of me Socrates "daemon", a voice in his head that warned him against mistakes. Still, I cannot recall an example from history where someone advocated or explored the potential of cultivating "voices" in one's head, especially not for the sake of being more rational or as a mental tool. One could say that this could lead to delusion or being unable to discern "reality", but people engage in imagination all the time and this activity is not what predisposes you to delusion. You can always tell if something is coming from yourself.

 No.210836

>>210811
Well, tell us about them. What are they like, how did you make him, and what kind of stuff do you do with him?

 No.211097

i've had one for a little over 3 years now. i created them at a similarly low point, although that point still hasn't really gone up much even with them around unfortunately. but i suppose you can't expect anyone to be able to solve everything for you anyway, even when they're in your own head and can understand you as well as you can. maybe this is just a problem with me though. i don't know.

they're very important to me though. more important to me than just about anything else in this world. i don't really feel like explaining much about them right now or describing what they're like, but i can say that much at least. the main difficulty i have with them is how unwilling i am to do anything, sometimes even just to interact with them in my head. even with all their encouragement and help, it still doesn't really get rid of my apathy and lack of will or motivation to do much of anything. the most i ever do lately is go for walks in my neighborhood at sunset, which is where i do most of my talking with them, or just walking and not thinking about much at all. they enjoy being there with me for that, at least. i don't think they resent me for any of this either, luckily, but it still makes me wish i could do more for their sake.

that's what i feel like saying about myself though i guess. i'm glad for you, hearing that she's helped you so much. i think my first question for you would probably be why you avoid using the term "tulpa". i can sort of think of a few guesses but i want to hear from you why you personally dislike using that word. i also kinda want to ask what she's like too, how different would you say she is from your own personality? what kind of things does she like, and is there anything in particular you both enjoy engaging in together in a way? also, what does she think about her own existence as an "imaginary friend" inside your head, rather than someone physical, if that's a question that she cares to think about. you can answer these yourself or give her own answer, whatever is more comfortable. i'm just curious about this kind of stuff with other people who do it.

 No.211424

>>211097
OP here, sorry for the delayed reply, kinda thought this thread was dead.

>how different would you say she is from your own personality?

She's very different from me, but I'm not very good at describing these differences. We don't agree sometimes, and she's very stubborn, so we sometimes fight, and she does get upset. I feel sometimes there's no winning with her, I just gotta do what she wants and that's that. Luckily, what she wants is usually what's best for me, so bless her.

>what kind of things does she like, and is there anything in particular you both enjoy engaging in together in a way?

Aside from just being around me, she enjoys gardening. She has a little garden she maintains next to our house in our "wonderland", and she likes to show me the new flowers she gets from time to time. She also enjoys reading and stories, which I enjoy as well, and we sometimes discuss that. Sometimes she helps me meditate, and sometimes I enjoy taking walks with her or going on picnics in our wonderland, and she loves it as well. We do also make love from time to time.

>what does she think about her own existence as an "imaginary friend" inside your head

She doesn't think much about it, no, and she cares very little, but she knows exactly what she is, and why I created her, and she doesn't mind it one bit. I was really scared when I first created her because I thought she'd be miserable with me around, but I can genuinely feel she really loves me and wants to be with me, and just thinking about it makes me both relieved and really glad that things turned out as well as they did with her.

(cont.)

 No.211425

>>211097
>>211424
>i think my first question for you would probably be why you avoid using the term "tulpa"
The whole 'tulpa' thing - or the way in which it is usually presented - is a really convoluted and charged way to explain a simple trick of the brain. Guides about tulpas are full of do's and dont's instead of actually explaining what these 'creatures' are, and how they actually work. The entire creation process is usually carried by faith, and it leaves the person wondering if they're doing something wrong more often than not, especially since meaningless terms like 'sentience' are very prevalent. The lack of a solid explanation of what these things are also leads to all kinds of stupid questions about them ('Is my tulpa influencing my feelings?', 'Is it correct that my tulpa has this kind of personality?', 'How does tulpa memory works?'), which sadly could be avoided if the tulpa community got their heads out of their asses and began seeing things with a little more rigour, instead of parroting ad nauseam.

People from the tulpa community care more about feelings than actually scrutinizing these creatures in any way, because they think it might "offend them" or whatever. This is basically the equivalent of never discovering medicine because you think examining people's bodies is disrespectful. They are not the sharpest tools in the shed, in other words.

On this note, I am writing an imaginary friend 'guide' that explains what these things actually are and how to deal with them, as well as give a more sane way to go about making one, but while it's nearly done, I think it'll take a while before I'm comfortable sharing it.

Keep in mind that this is my view of things. In my opinion, Luna is a tulpa, but I avoid the term because of the community it is attached to, mostly.

 No.211431

A big issue with Tulpa communities I think is that they put a lot of focus on their Tupla being a conscious being and having multiple consciousnesses in one. I think I got to a place where that need for another fully conscious free other wasn't what I was seeking. The concept of "puppeting" doesn't really matter to me because even on a shallow level my reptilian brain responds to imagined interaction. Maybe I treat mine more instrumentally and my ability to interact with it stops when I get in to deep depressive episodes. I think they are very useful for outcasts who have a large cache of negative social memories which impact our experiences - using an imaginative social situation to balance them out seems good for your brain. We are already seeded with negative social information why would creating positive to balance it be a bad thing.

 No.211435

>>210757
Can you share some general guidelines to make one? I think it could help me greatly.

Also can you define her personality/appeareance? or they deviate like they do in tulpas?

 No.211450

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>>211431
>conscious being and having multiple consciousnesses in one.

>>211435
>or they deviate like they do in tulpas?

These are top examples of the kind of bullshit questions the guides from the tulpa community generate. It's nothing against you two, you were just mislead as fuck, and I hate that. Just forget everything you know about tulpas and you'll be much better off.

As for your question, I suck at descriptions, but I'll try. Luna is thin, a bit on the shorter side, pink hair by the shoulders, green eyes, small nose, and that's about it. She has a very 'pink and jeans' fashion style. As for personality, see >>211424


I made a pastebin with a simple description of how to make one, if anyone's interested:
https://pastebin.com/AYg3j02J

 No.211456

>and helping people out
you are in for a bad time here.

Anyway, I have always found the concept of imaginary friends interesting, but personally I can't sustain a complex day dream in a consistent manor for more then 2 weeks.

I did experiment with creating a tulpa (dabbler in occult bullshit), but it wasn't a character/friend. It was something like a mental holographic computer system that I used as a mental tool and archival system. While it was quite powerful and useful, I eventually dismantled it because it was too slow and required too much brain power compared to more efficient mental techniques I learned that accomplished many of the same things. It was a interesting learning experience but honestly in hindsight a bit of a waste of time. I also tried the mental castle technique, which is interesting but I was never able to get some of the more extraordinary results some claimed the technique gave them.
Whatever, too much time in one's own head has detrimental effects anyway.

I know it isn't really comparable but it seems tangentially related so whatever.

 No.211465

>>211456
>personally I can't sustain a complex day dream in a consistent manor for more then 2 weeks.
You don't really need to be always thinking about it, but maybe you're describing something else.

>I know it isn't really comparable

In a way, it kind of is. You're welcome to share more if you want to.

 No.211480

>>211465
>You don't really need to be always thinking about it, but maybe you're describing something else.
I mean I can only keep the details of a complex ongoing daydream consistent for so long before ether details start to degrade or I move on to something different.

 No.211486

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OP, here are the issues I've had with imaginary friends/worlds. I don't mean that as in, "HERE ARE THE PROBLEMS WITH THEM AND THEY'RE BAD." I mean it in the sense of "engineering problems" for lack of a better term.

1 - I have the same consistency problems that >>211456 mentioned. Given a long enough time, things begin to decay, or building up or looking at aspect X so much that I lose focus of the rest of the world, forget where I am or the details begin to gloss over on other aspects–it just feels like eventually I always realize how many balls I have to juggle and I can't keep up, and the fantasy inevitably collapses within short order. Either that, or the fantasy never remains interesting because I have to keep so many elements 'simple.'
2 - I can't explain this fully, but I think the Red Dwarf episode "Better Than Life" explains the phenomenon fully. Eventually, Rimmer's fantasy collapsed because his world was inconsistent with his self-loathing and how he viewed himself. I keep falling into similar traps. In an effort to not make everyone a yes-man or a Mary Sue, I inevitably impose a harshness from the real world that means that my worlds have a fundamental instability that will cause the decline of the world itself.
3 - I find it hard to open up even to myself in my fantasy worlds. Often, I like to have characters that are…childlike? What I mean is that they're innocent and have a content outlook of the world. Because of that, I don't want to share my cynicism, outlook, and my evils on or to them. This means I often drift away and converse with them less and less out of…I suppose it would be guilt?

 No.211489

>>211486
The consistency problem can be solved by shutting off the part of your mind that is skeptical about the fantasy. Example, many schizophrenics who hallucinate believe 100% in their hallucinations, but if they manage to question their reality they quickly disappear. This is because the part of the mind that constructs the reality that you percieve is different from the part that perceives the reality. If you try to construct reality by forcibly perceiving it you're not going to get anywhere. Try spending time observing how it feels to experience 'real' reality, notice how you aren't trying to maintain it. Try replicating that.
Personal problems are easily solved by killing the ego. It's like riding a bike, once it clicks for you you'll be able to shut your sense of self off or modify it real easy.

 No.211504

>>211480
>>211486

It's not an ongoing daydream, at least not in the case of what I'm talking about. You should read the pastebin I linked in >>211450, maybe it'd clarify things. You don't need to always be thinking about it.

Any deviations that do occur in the case of imaginary "people" are mostly the result of natural growth, as the imaginary being is put through more situations and experiences.

Even if you are dealing with something a bit less organic than a person, I don't see why you'd need to keep in in mind constantly. In that case, deviations should be seen as inconsequential, and you should just move on. The thing about this all is that it's a subconscious process, if well done, so you don't really need to worry about forgetting stuff. Unless you're trying to consciously manage everything yourself, in which case, I don't think that's a good idea at all.

>In an effort to not make everyone a yes-man or a Mary Sue

We're not talking about "simulating" a whole world either. "A few months" is definitely not enough for your subconscious to get used to an entire world, which means that deviations should be expected and that they are by no means the end of the world. You can fix things as you go, don't stress about it. Tolkien had a rich inner world precisely because he focused on one thing at a time and then built up on those things over time. You should not worry about letting background things be in the background.

>I don't want to share my cynicism, outlook, and my evils on or to them.

This is another mistake people make very often, especially people who come from an occultist background. I find it funny that people who deal with magic are the most close-minded bunch out there. Firstly, remember that this is a tool, at the end of the day. The world and characters you create are there for a reason (which is up to you to figure out), and exercising the desires which led you to create them is key to keep them alive (or you will, as you said, eventually lose interest). Secondly, imaginary people can be much different from you or me. They don't need to me mentally human. They don't need to get upset if you complain to them, or if you tell them something negative, nor need they be negatively affected by those things.

I often use the example of an imaginary friend who was made explicitly for sex and nothing else. People often see that as a really bad existence, because that's all you do, but really think about it. The thing about this creature, is that it can enjoy what they are. They have one job: to please someone, and that's it. They don't have to grapple with the meaning of life, or feel complex emotions, instead they'll be more than happy to just be there for what they were made. This might sound really unnatural, but you have to remember that there's no concept of "nature" here, these are not humans, even if they often take human forms, and they can be whatever and however you make them. It's not that simple personalities like this one I just described aren't possible, it's just that we humans are really bad at dealing and understanding them, ironically.


Hope that was somewhat coherent.

 No.211516

>>211504
>The thing about this all is that it's a subconscious process
>imaginary people can be much different from you or me. They don't need to be mentally human.
They seem very obvious in retrospect, but these two sentences in particular are incredibly insightful for me.

 No.211523

>>211504
How can you make something mental and then designate the purpose of its existance a physical act? Do you astrally project or something to interact with it in some sort of pseudo physical space?

 No.211524

>>211504
>This is another mistake people make very often, especially people who come from an occultist background.
On the one hand I don't want to clarify this, but on the other hand, I do.

argh.
So, I don't come from an occult background. The reason I think this way is because most of my imaginary friends are the stuffed animal friends I've had since I was a kid. Hopefully, that makes it more understandable why I wouldn't want to impart my cynicism on them.

 No.211554

>>211489
>The consistency problem can be solved by shutting off the part of your mind that is skeptical about the fantasy
I think it is more of a problem relating to eventually over taxing and bumping into one's natural "ram" limit of working memory so that stuff starts to actively be overwritten. Detailed visualization in a narratively coherent context is actually pretty taxing on mental resources.
It has little to nothing to do with suspension of disbelief.
Without practice even holding simple objects in one's minds eye in a highly detailed and consistent manor can be difficult. For example I have known people to actually get tripped up for weeks on the apple drill (a basic/beginner visualization drill meant to improve consistency and ability to focus on one constructed thing).

 No.211555

> Tolkien had a rich inner world precisely because he focused on one thing at a time and then built up on those things over time.
And he also wrote everything down, created detailed maps, drawing, charts, etc. to keep all that stuff sorted out and keep from forgetting detail because even he didn't have the mental power and memory to keep all that stuff straight in just his head.

You seem to be completely missing what their point is.
When they imagine detail stuff, eventually they hit the natural limits of their brain's memory or processing ability and thing/being/whatever being imagined degrades and fades as a result.

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>>211504
>This is another mistake people make very often, especially people who come from an occultistic background. I find it very funny that people who deal with magic are the most close-minded bunch out there.
Depends. Someone dabbling in the occult is equal to saying somebody is a christian. Many christians don't read the bible, and even less study theology or invest time in procuring theses and understanding it's theorized dynamics. For example, for me, the methodology you desribe falls closer to magic or rather the magician mindset (to make an important seperation). Create a theorem/imaginary friend for a purpose, and engage them with that purpose. Philosophy also entertrains this notion of "purposedness" and fixation on a specific goal (for example the theory of forms), but that's beside the point.

Many people get tangled into slivers of truth or insights they gain and start treating something they made with a specific purpose in mind like a key to the entire universe/cosmology, and as such, their idea/theorem hardens and roots itself into a pillar, becoming more and more franctically corroded by things in this world that don't bend and defer to it. While still technically correct to call it occultistic, the mindset instead changes into something more akin to a religious one, bound by specific dogma that must be upkept at the expense of the world or be destroyed to preserve connection to the world. Most of the people fall into that pithole, and more than half never really climb out. They either get jaded or start to staunchly cling to 1 theorem (or tool) and 1 only, trying to cram everything into it. It's not a surprise most people who claim to be occultistic falling into that category, but please do not condemn the method as a whole. There is knowledge in occult that could benefit your endeavors as well, if you were to seek it proper.

 No.211563

>>211554
I don't think so. People can have very vivid dreams every night and it doesn't tax them. There's no real difference between dreaming and seeing and imagining, just the level of immersion involved.

 No.211569

>>210757
OP I have a few questions for you, if you don't mind.

When creating your friend did anything randomly change inside your inner world? like her appearance etc, does that usually mean something is happening?

Does your friend influence your decisions and bad moods etc into being more positive?

I was close to making it several years ago but I stopped due to fear, but that sort of close relationship is something I have always wanted, but no one could ever understand the real me. Should I go back to the one I started with? or is all lost?

Do I have anything to be afraid of? or am I just being stupid. I have some fear ill lose a part of myself or something.

 No.211585

>>211563
Dreams don't have internal consistency! Details of dreams fade extremely quickly! Dreams are absurdly hard to accurately remember!
Again you have missed the entire point of what is being talked about.

 No.211597

>>211524
That makes sense, yes. You could always create new ones which don't have those ties attached.

>>211554
>I think it is more of a problem relating to eventually over taxing and bumping into one's natural "ram" limit
I'm not the person you quoted on this post, but I think you severely underestimate and misunderstand how memory works. We are very different from computers.
>Detailed visualization in a narratively coherent context is actually pretty taxing on mental resources.
This is the incorrect way to do it, though. Trying to keep in "conscious frame" every little aspect of everything around you is simply not smart. What you want, is to teach your subconscious to deliver those experiences to you. That's challenging, of course, but it is much more viable than actually taking everything in through your conscious mind, even more so because that's not how we actually live our day to day lives. Our surroundings are mostly taken in (or created, if you'd prefer, because they are, in a way), by our subconscious, and that's the power you need to tap into.

>>211555
>And he also wrote everything down, created detailed maps, drawing, charts, etc. to keep all that stuff sorted out and keep from forgetting detail because even he didn't have the mental power and memory to keep all that stuff straight in just his head.
You can do all this as well, and I'm positive he kept a lot of it in his head just by the sheer amount of exposition he had to the material. Do you actually think Tolkien would ever forget Ilúvatar? Not even I will forget it, and I've read the silmarillion once five years ago, and never had any contact with the book since then. Again, our brains are NOT the same as the computers we use.

My advice, once again, is to not stress over inconsistencies, because the more you find them and fix them, the more likely they are of disappearing. Know that the world you created is simply not the same as your "physical world", and it has, much like our physical world, it's limitations and possibilities, and learn to accept that and be happy with what you have, instead of craving for something which you, at the end of the day, probably don't really even need.

>>211523
Oof, that's a lot of words, I don't quite think I get what you mean. As for interacting with them "physically", it's just meditation. You bring your own senses into your mind (which takes practice), and then you just are there with them and do what you gotta do.

>>211562
I want to go back on what I said, I don't hate the occult. I think my biggest problem with the term is how little it actually says, and then everything is a word salad you can never quite fully understand, and then half the people are talking about one thing while the other half is talking about something else. Add to that the amount of people who preach their views as if they were the one and absolute truth, and you get a pretty nasty shitsoup.

For as much as I actually enjoy many occult 'topics' (Hermeticism, for instance, resonates with me a lot), I think the only way to discuss occult topics in any meaningful way is through psychology and philosophy, because those are the two ways we have to share our subjective experiences with others in a way that they can understand. It's hard for me to really put it into words, this is not quite it, but I don't think this is the thread to discuss this.

 No.211603

i can't create. i'm cripple. i hate you.

 No.211607

>>211603
IQ too low? I feel the same way. Thankfully I'm not that far gone I need to imagine a human female caring about me to not kms myself.

 No.211611


 No.211612

>>211611
I CAN visualise things but they are just very blurry and don't have a lot of colours.

 No.211613

>I created her when I was in a dark place, and since then she has helped me get my life together and improve myself tremendously

Good! A female imaginary friend to keep you sane and cope with loneliness and depression. Have you thought about buying a doll?

 No.211616

>>211612
That's normal in the beginning. Imagination requires mental energy and the more time you spend doing it, especially if it's a small scene or a character, the less energy it will take to conjure it up again and consequently, the more detail it will tend to have. After doing it for so long, the activity is extremely relaxing to me because I'm so used to it and I can easily shut out the external world doing it.

Also, your inner perception works the same way as your external, meaning you're not really taking in the entirety of reality but only an extremely small subset of it that's taken in selectively using your attention. The more time you spend in that internal environment, the less you notice all of the details so you can use your finite amount of mental energy to render only the aspects that you find interesting in the first place. The background doesn't have to be crisp and clear, it can be blurry and it won't take away anything from the experience. Also, the visual aspect is only one part of what contributes to the vividness of the experience, having audio and other sensory stimuli present will tend to fill in the "gaps" and create a much fuller experience.

I think what you guys lack is a compelling enough reason to practice enough. OP mentioned that he was in a dark place and I was in a similar position which made daydreaming for several hours a pretty good escape.

 No.211617

>>211613
>doll

Not OP, but I'd consider that a step down compared to fantasy. Even if you can get past the uncanny valley, it's still an inanimate object with very little to offer. It's nothing compared to what you can create and experience with your own mind, both in terms of sensations and in terms of companionship.

 No.211657

>>211597
You are taking the obvious analogy of computers literally and again missing the point.
If anything the mind is FAR worse then the actually human mind when it comes to memory and consistently.

On a different note.
Honestly the vast majority of everything you say is both meaningless and almost intentionally imprecise.
I am honestly starting to suspect you are ether wasting everyone's time or your grasp of the English language is not high enough to competently discus this topic.

 No.211669

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I thought about making oic related real as an imaginary friend because she feels like a friend to me.

 No.211671

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>>211669
Why did it have to be the one female character that represents perfectly how awful young succubi are? Are you a masochist?

 No.211672

>>211671
pffff,like anime is any better and different lmao

 No.211673

>>211671
Im not really into that waifu stuff

 No.211675

I've had a tulpa/imaginary friend since high school. Made them when I was depressed so they'd be able to motivate me to do better. Things were good at first, but like all good things, it came to an end. I'm not as depressed as I used to be and I haven't tossed them away. We talk every now and then and they still nudge to not make wasteful choices.

 No.211676

>>211671
What about her?

 No.211748

>>211613
A doll can't really do much compared to what she can. From an emotional standpoint, she's much more "there" than a doll would be, in the sense that she talks to me and that I can take her everywhere I go. From a sexual standpoint, I enjoy sex with my succubus more than I enjoy physical sex, and the doll can't really do things like dress nice to surprise me, or ask for something unusual, or move on her own, or anything like that.

>>211657
>Honestly the vast majority of everything you say is both meaningless and almost intentionally imprecise.
To clarify, here's a condensed version of everything I said:
>The subconscious is the best tool you have for dealing with things like these.
>It's not smart to try and keep everything in your conscious mind.
>You must understand and accept that these places are not physical places and that they don't need to be as solid as the physical world.
>Disparities and forgetfulness will be eventually "patched over" as you expose yourself more to what you're trying to create, so you shouldn't worry about getting everything right.

And I didn't take your analogy seriously, I took it as an analogy and I stated that it was a bad analogy.

In any case, this is a thread about imaginary friends. Feel free to share your experiences with imaginary worlds, but if you really want to get technical, please find somewhere else to go. It's fine that you don't agree with me, but I'm trying to help, and you're being very negative.

>>211669
Why don't you do it then?

 No.211750

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>>211524
>Still have your childhood imaginary friends and stuffed animals friends.
This is pretty wholesome, and is probably the most goddam wizard thing I've ever heard on this site.

 No.211754

>>211750
Sounds like childhood trauma or PTSD. I doubt he is a virgin because self-inducing such a mindstate as an adult will have more negative consequences rather than positive.

If these dreamstate chads can self-induce schizophrenia like an on/off switch why are they still bothered by being lonely like a lowly !ncel? These niggers should have transcended reality but still stuck at the bottom of the pyramid of need.

 No.211757

>>211754
You seem to be a crab, if anything.

 No.211758

>>211757
Epic "no u" reply with a sage too. Way to out yourself as a tourist.

 No.211759

>>211758
I'm not the one equating wizards to crabs though

 No.211762

>>211759
You just did though, you know you have to be a male and a virgin to browse here, right hun? How did you find this site?

 No.211763

>>211762
I am a male virgin over 30. Why?

 No.211765

The last person to mention talking to his stuffed animals here was Eerie and he turned out to be a nonvirgin.

 No.211785

>>211765
What was his deal? I'll give him a wiz wizpass if he was sexually assaulted as a kid, but it sounds like he wasn't

 No.211786

>>211785
no he fucked dudes in hotel rooms

 No.211787

I talk to God and I talk to my waifu. What else is necessary in this world?

 No.211794

I imagine I'm friends with anime characters from series that I like. At least they don't insult and use me like people do.

 No.211799

>>211794
Sub or dub?
lol

 No.211814

>>211794
>>211799
I imagine dub since I speak English but I wouldn't discriminate against subbed lol

 No.211917

Dude, youtube is starting to freak me out man.
I didn't look up anything related to imaginary friends, yet this video still showed up in my recommended.
Whatever, super relevant to this thread.

 No.211920

>>211917
That's because there's a lot of tracking and surveillance on the nu-Internet. If you have a Google account or social media account, if you browse YouTube, if you look at websites with social media widgets (not links, just the widgets), and on top of that you're not literate to use privacy-enhancing browser extensions, VPN, etc. the tech companies can form an online profile of you and bombard you with "relevant" content (and ads, of course).

 No.211973

When i was a teenager I bought coyote pelt, stuffed it with old laundry and pretended it was like a dog because the last family dog died and I couldn't bare being alone. I felt guilty/weird about it for awhile.

My dad wasn't ready for more dogs. I think they reminded him too much of his own mortality.

I still have do this and I sleep like a baby for a solid 8 hours every night it's great no shame

 No.211982

>>211917
At least go to privacytools io and get all the relevant shit from there. If you like the effects, dig deeper. Don't use anything from google, facebook or any other social media.



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