I thought of a new name for us. Colourless Wizards.
It's strange, while it's impossible for geekdom to ever be as it once was , I don't think I would be able to go back to it if it ever did. And I can't put my finger on why that is. Maybe I've just "grown up"?
>>230992> A real IQ test requires a trained individual to administer it under proper conditions, and if it's not done properly it's not valid.
if the questions are the same style, does it really matter if you have an admin watching over you, and the right #2 pencils?
I just browse imageboards and think about suicide all day.
same and I am bored I refresh /all/ constantly.
any other boards faster but not 4chin?
They stole everything.
>>227750>But for the outcasts in this day and age it just get exposed as a fragile, fake, petty and vain substantiality (hence posts like "who cares about what normies are doing") because it is vulnerable by it's desire of exclusivity, it's like the final nail in the coffin for some people who could never fit in with others. But it may be a privilege to see the truth ? Maybe all these identities are bullshit and fake substantialities and less natural than we think especially if the final end of all of them is to make us consume useless shit.
im sorry, but how have more people not addressed this point? this is essentially the apex of this thread's discussion.
all nerds, especially those who are outcasts, have been hurt by the rape of the culture. discussion of the facts, how it's been raped, how it started, our lose of a sense of self, are all points we comprehend and have acknowledged already both inside this thread and most of us outside it as well. continuing to highlight them without moving the discussion forward is not productive.
what matters now is discussion of how we can have a sense of self in the wake of what has happened. i think the points brought up by this poster are essential to the discussion.
what is the validity of exclusivity and how does it/should it interface with our sense of identity and sense of self?
if it doesn't matter, then what does? and if it does matter, how do we go about reestablishing that exclusivity?
i would like to know how people here think these questions can be answered. personally, i think that a sense of self is founded on being unique. although the various elements that make up your sense of self are not unique, the particular combination of elements that make up your identity can be unique.
in and of itself, anime and videogames are just mediums of art. however, their lack of popularity in the past meant that enjoying any kind of content with in these mediums identified you as separate from the mainstream. as acceptance for these mediums has increased, simply enjoying them in any context no longer sets you apart. the simplest conclusion i can draw is that it is easiest to no longer define our identity as nerds or as outcasts by our participation in these mediums, but rather, by the unique content with in them (or other mediums for that matter) that we chose to consume and identify with.
tldr: enjoying the mediums of anime and videogames is accepted by the mainstream, and simply enjoying any content from them no longer gives you a unique identity. to rebuild unique identity we must find content within these mediums, and others, that are outside of the mainstream and can be used to reestablish a unique identity.
i would also appreciate imageboard recommendations
>>232212> to rebuild unique identity we must find content within these mediums, and others, that are outside of the mainstream and can be used to reestablish a unique identity.
That just pushes the problem a few years down the road for the sale process to happen again. If anything from that post you should’ve taken up the idea that these identities are all useless bullshit.
its true, this may only put off the issue instead of fixing it, but at least its something. the majority of this thread is devoted to commenting on the issue repeatedly without offering any suggestions for improvement. simplistic as the suggestion is, at least it is a suggestion for improvement rather than another complaint.
>If anything from that post you should’ve taken up the idea that these identities are all useless bullshit.
he suggests this is a possible conclusion you COULD draw, he didn't say it was his definitive view. i don't think all these identities are completely contrived and without meaning. for me, this comment is a tipping point. it sums up the situation and tries to draw a conclusion from it from which we can move forward instead of adding to the echo chamber. we need new insights and suggestions for how to better the situation. commenting further on "what is" is a waste of time.
bring something constructive to the table.
I don't think "identities" should be thrown out, but that tying identity to simple actions or hobbies is a failure waiting to happen. Even negation of actions or hobbies does not function. If a "Chad" decides to be a virgin yet is otherwise a complete norm, is he now an outcast? A wizard walks and so does a norm, so walking is unwizardly? I think the truest account of the outcast is that he sees what society is, he can view what it is because he is not part of it in the same way as a norm. Thought is what shows who is worthy of this identity, not simple hobbies or basic actions. For instance he can look at things like politics and recognize that in reality all the circus is showing is a display of an oligarchy who controls public opinion. The conservative thinks himself as a temporarily embarrassed millionaire, and the progressive a temporarily embarrassed intellectual. Only those "on the outside" of society can see this sort of thing (or those who sit far above society). Although even this definition is rather faulty, much less so than one based on behavior. Still, I think this answer is closer to the truth.
One thought I've had is that those who do tie their identity to this outcast outlook seem to sometimes mistake it as pure contrarianism. Causing many an outcast to have sought things that lead them away from society - such as the previously unacceptable hobbies of anime/video games. Chad does x so I must do y, this is negation and again will simply fail. Far more importantly is that this is still stuck in the society views, society does x so I must do y. Ironically enough he has in fact tied his identify to society by rejecting it to this degree. Although in turn by rejecting this contrarianism it tends to open the door to those who think that doing things that conform to society can still be wizardly. Improvebrahs come in at this stage, never being able to explain how "improving" is wizardly in any sense and starting to degrade the identity of the outcast. I would rather the contrarian viewpoint be the leading viewpoint than the one who willingly looks to be part of society. If this "improve" philosophy took hold then surely this place is the same as the death of the outcast.
How is this for a description of the wizardly identity in the simplest form possible : A virgin over 30 whom places himself outside of society and it's cares. No one could disagree with such a thing I think.
The other alternative is that what has been suggested: to disregard all identities and naming of any groups of thought. Such that humans are all rather similar to each other and thus no groupings of any humans can be made. The obvious I should not even have to say, but that this is clearly just epistemological nihilism. Which if you believe such an extreme skeptic viewpoint then apply it to all of everything, instead of just this idea of groupings of humans. No groupings should be made of anything, for there are always exceptions and differences in such groupings. Do not even think of a drink or liquid as such, for there is always a state of half of such and you must admit that you are both saying something is similar and dissimilar. Which is nonsense, no? So disregard all knowledge or at least all knowledge of identifications of things.
>>232223>bring something constructive to the table.
It's pretty hard to do something constructive when anything, including rebellion, can be and is swallowed up by the machine and then spat out for a tidy profit.
I think the reason why most of this thread is commentary on the situation rather than anything constructive is because it really is a post-mortem. In the back of everyone's minds here is that this small world we had is dead (and it was probably dead/dying for a while) and cannot be brought back, so all we can do is lament it's loss and analyse what happened, why it happened, whether it was inevitable etc.
You're right in the sense that we need to move on but I don't think we can extend/rebuild something that is dead.
What comes afterwards, whether it does or doesn't is another question, is going to come out of leftfield and be completely spontaneous. It's going to have to be this way because if you try to build something with intent subconsciously you're probably going to try and build the same thing (and fail) again.
Maybe I'm wrong but it doesn't feel this way.
That is his point fool the NEET neckbeards had to save their paycheck to buy figurines, while rich normies can just throw some pocket change at it and acquire just as many, if not more figures. So now normies can claim to be "better collectors" while not devoting any effort or interest in the hobby.
I want to get into reading but I find it so difficult to concentrate for longer than a page or two, I think I have a low IQ
>>227001>There has to be some point where the death of all subcultures leads to some "breaking point" right?
the breaking point is all of humanity being enslaved to corporations and governments who they think are their friends
the breaking point is to dumb consumers down and create a slave race who are obedient to corporations and the state
the point here is don't define your identity too much through your hobbies, particularly ones where you're just consuming shit that someone else created
I thought the corporations owned the state?
>the point here is don't define your identity too much through your hobbies, particularly ones where you're just consuming shit that someone else created
The thing is people who became wizards in the last, I don't know 10-15 years(?), had the label "geek" or "nerd" put on them. I know I had to accept that I was a geek when the term still meant something.
And I don't think the level of consumption or the way things are consumed nowadays is comparable to years back when geek was still uncool.
But I understand the point you're making.
I've heard 'crab' used unironically OUT LOUD by normalfags as in
>I've been crab for the last 3 weeks
I'm surprised there's not much discussion on what the post-subculture wizard is going to look like, or hell, what the post-subculture loser/outcast is going to look like?
Most of the fuckers here are zoomer faggots who'll leave this place after a couple of years.
its going to look the same because true loser outcasts were never part of the subcultures so they are also not afected by them going away or shifting
Forgive me for interrupting your oh-so-mighty wizardly thoughts, but the quality of this site is way, waaaaaaaaaaay lower than it should be, so regardless of being a zoomer or not it isn't feasible to stay here long-term. I've pretty much given up on any sort of high-quality discourse on the internet, even with the gatekeeping this site has it's not good enough.
Most of this thread problems is persistence to stay contrarian
Also consider another possibility that you're just getting old
>>234046>Most of this thread problems is persistence to stay contrarian
What does that even mean?
Contrarian to what?
The internet used to be a place where you could escape from real life and now it's just an extension of real life.
This is really the biggest thing about modern vs old internet.
Man I remember when I was little and I heard the internet was going to bring the world closer but it really went the other way around.
It seems the only viable option is to hoard all media you are interested in while you are able to.
>>234464>It seems the only viable option is to hoard all media you are interested in while you are able to.>It seems the only viable option is to hoard all media you are interested in while you are able to.
Not sure I follow. I'd only hoard it if was the only copy in existence and destroy so the normies couldn't get their hands on it.
>>213134>What's it like to be a wizard without any hobbies or interests? (Or at least interests and hobbies that USED to be associated with wizards?)>>I've been slowly shedding my old hobbies and interests as they became mainstream (even degenerate otaku porn fetishes have this slowly increasing normalcy) and now I'm down to a couple things I still enjoy a little.
the biggest mistake you can make in life is giving a fuck what other people think of your interests and hobbies, especially as a wizard. they dont care about us anyway who cares what they think. and you know wizards sell each other out for a nickel so who cares what they think too
I think this situation is different from a "you do you" type of situation. If it was like before when people looked down upon this shit then yeah, your advice is right but now when normalfags are proudly proclaiming what was once yours is now theirs and how they've shoved their noses into every avenue, I think it's time to look somewhere else.
I hope what they've stolen consumes them. And it sorta looks like it is.
>>234858>I hope what they've stolen consumes them. And it sorta looks like it is.
Looking at the degenerate porn side of things, it seems like *something* is being fucked up. There are certain things and fetishes that are popular now that seem insane to me, especially since some of those specific fetishes were dreamed up by sexless otakus trying to figure out how sex works based on hearsay or just straight-up fantasy, usually degenerate, scenarios. So many people seem to have an onlyfans account that it's worrying me as wizard, like how do I have such wide selection of porn from "mainstream" insta-hos with an onlyfans account? Shit that used to only exist on JAV or fanfic hentai, that used to take a while to find in the old days on torrents with low seeds.
Like what is happening?
>What's it like to be a wizard without any hobbies or interests?
I struggle to keep afloat I used to be passionate about hobbies and I am simply unable to enjoy anything anymore even anime is a real struggle to watch so I rarely bother these days.
It is tough you are preoccupied thinking if you should kill yourself.
Does music count as a hobby? as in listening to music and occasionally discussing it online or looking for new music to enjoy?
What do you mean Wiz? Things like feet, incest or cuckoldry being on the homepage of popular porn sites?
It's not really that surprising after knowing how the post-social media internet works.
Following the example of the social media the owners of these sites have hired social engineers who specialize in the creation of trends to compile data on the subject which makes certain kind of content getting pushed and exposed more to the general population of users, this causes a good number of people who really weren't into something suddenly start to like this new kind of porn they weren't even aware it existed and consume even more, this doesn't end there since the new trend generates new data that is used for pushing more content.
Repeating this process for a decade or so is what leads to fetishes that were previously taboo or niche to be known widely by public. Im looking forward to see things like guro, watersports or scat being openly talked about by normies.
>>235252>Does music count as a hobby? as in listening to music and occasionally discussing it online or looking for new music to enjoy?
It's hobby by pretty much every stretch of the word. Just most people only very casually enjoy it.
Not him but that sounds a lot like "the evil ones are trying to corrupt people".
The answer is simpler than that. Normies are band-waggoners and money beckons people.
A lot of the /d/ fetish stuff was popular *inside* those circles and some of them were willing to pay good money for it. Remember before when geek/nerd/digital artists used to have a side gig as nsfw artists underneath different names because degenerate whales kept them afloat financially? This wasn't a huge problem back when geek was still unpopular because shame (from various directions including self-shame) used to keep everybody in check.
When geek became mainstream all the vultures started looking to exploit every avenue of revenue and normies, being the fucking lemmings that they are, hopped on popular trends, trends that may have not understood or were disgusted by but still hopped on them.
The tech-nerd heaven. I really doubt that is even remotely possible.
It feels like we're trapped.
It's almost amazing how the cool kids are never satisfied with having enough.
Watch this whole series. I hope you too will have an awakening as I did, and that the Next Level will guide you to make the right decisions.
…the suicide cult?
Or maybe he just needs to get himself together and charge at the world and life with full strength. Maybe he needs to embrace life instead of running away from it.
I agree. He needs to pull himself up by his bootstraps, stop whining and get a job.
>>236502>Detach>Still posts with anime pictures
I think that other anon way up there is right and the new wizards are going to be mistaken for "improvebrahs".
>>214070>I predict that animal dildos will become normal
I'm sorry to say, but if you're talking about Bad Dragon, this has already happened a long time ago, feels like at least 5 years by now.