>>226477>If I were contemplating suicide the last thing I would give a fuck about is the same people who drove me to do it in the first place.
That's selfish :^)
It's a passive-aggressive way to force you to consider other people's feelings and how your suicide is going to affect the people who cares about you.
nothing wrong with being selfish every once in a while
My favorite part is how if they even took this logic one step further, they'd be the selfish ones for condemning suicide based on how it would make them feel and not how the person killing themselves feels.
It means there are taxes to pay.
Are you that selfish to leave the tax burden to others while you lounge around in Valhalla?
Plus, religion says you'll go to hell :^)
They tell us that we're selfish cuz we want to kill ourselves despite being aware of the effect it'll have on our family.
But they don't look at the fact that they're being selfish and making is suffer by keeping us online.
Gotta stay hooked up to the system.
Feed the beast!
I can see it being used legitimately for people that hold responsibilities, like a parent or a sole caregiver
Mainstream views of suicide are completely irrational, usually platitudes. Not much point analyzing it.
I mean is it that hard to rationalize that someone's life is truly hopeless? That he/she recognized their inherit inability to do or have something that they want and that their life is not worth living as a consequence? It seems pretty straightforward to me. Trying to keep someone alive if their existence has zero worth to them just so you feel better is the definition of selfishness.
You're arguing with the wrong crowd here, almost all wizzies understand this. It's the teeming masses of the groid hivemind that need to, yet are incapable of understanding it.
These normalfags don't rationalize at all when they think of suicide. They just have a fully automatic reaction with some memorized phrases. http://jorgenmodin.net/index_html/wikpedias-now-deleted-page-on-thought-terminating-cliche
Most things in life ARE selfish. "Suicide is selfish" seems to be something normals say because they can't comprehend why others would do it
normalfags are morons
interesting, thanks for sharing the link
It's selfish because you literally shit and piss yourself the moment you die. You leave behind a giant mess. If you kill yourself in an apartment, your landlord won't be able to rent it or sell it because some weird guy died and decomposed for weeks in there. If you kill yourself in public, by jumping in front of train or out of a building, you basically ruin multiple people's day, traffic slows or comes to a halt and the government has to pay money for someone to collect your innards from the pavement. Not to mention, funeral costs and general emotional impact on the people that knew you or that witnessed you die or found your body.
Maybe if you jump into a volcano or something and people just think you're out on vacation or travelling the world, no one will suffer because you were a failure at life.
>>229747>your landlord won't be able to rent it or sell it
You mean the hand-over-fist rat who used greedy cons and tricks to acquire a property that they use to exploit those of us who are in need of a home by charging a full living wage just so that we may sleep under a roof, preventing us from saving up enough money to buy our own house even if we're overworking full time overtime? Yeah let them vacuum up the maggots with tummies full of my moldy ass fat. They'll be glad I died because with rent values rising globally they can now charge some poor SOB even more under a new lease.
>you basically ruin multiple people's day,
How so? I'm sure many wageslaves and students would LOVE to spend more time sitting on the comfy train than normal before going to grind their body and brains away at some job, with the "illegal to fire you for" excuse that the train didn't pull it's weight. They can even claim traumatization and get paid medical leave!
>traffic slows or comes to a halt
what else is new
>and the government has to pay money
With OUR tax dollars, that the government collects specifically for such occurrences.
>someone to collect your innards from the pavement
That's their job. They agreed to accept (lots of) money in exchange for their service as the one to mop up innards. If they don't like this agreement, they can find another job.
no funeral, just burn and bin like they do to the homeless
>general emotional impact on the people that knew you or that witnessed you die or found your body.
How selfish of them to put their feelings before our suffering! Death is a part of life that is all around us, and everyone involved in our lives experiences it eventually. It would be a noble deed to introduce them to the concept sooner than later.
>Don't die in the comfort of your home, you may do a stinky smell to the people who had driven you to such a suicide! Jump in a volcano instead! Pay the fees and experience the stress of travelling outside your comfort zone with your already diminished mind and body, and face the fire! Feel your eyeballs and eardrums burst from heat while liquid sunshine fills your lungs! Have your bones char black while you flail and scream as the heat of the earth destroys any hope you had for a peaceful death! Don't worry about potentially floating to your brain's own version of heaven with your waifu by your side and all cozied up in the warm embrace of a natural, numb bloodloss death! No pain no gain!
you are a jew and succubus combined
>>229749>me me me me me me me
Well, you've convinced me. I'll gladly clean you off the street myself.
>>229747>>229747>It's selfish because you literally shit and piss yourself the moment you die. You leave behind a giant mess. If you kill yourself in an apartment, your landlord won't be able to rent it or sell it because some weird guy died and decomposed for weeks in there. If you kill yourself in public, by jumping in front of train or out of a building, you basically ruin multiple people's day, traffic slows or comes to a halt and the government has to pay money for someone to collect your innards from the pavement. Not to mention, funeral costs and general emotional impact on the people that knew you or that witnessed you die or found your body.
Who cares. If someone wants to die a certain way. Who cares. If he inconveniences his landlord's paycheck for a while. Who cares.
If you don't care about inconveniencing other people, that's the very definition of selfishness. Just because you're suffering, doesn't mean you can jump in front of my train and make me wait 3 hours so I can get home. Yeah, I'm suffering as well, bub. And I don't want to look at you hit the ground when I'm out buying a bagel either, cunt.
>>229753>>229759>you're not allowed to die if it inconveniences me
very ironic for someone clutching their pearls over 'selfishness'
a human death is more important than your bagel you fucking heartless cunt
Both sides are selfish mkay?
You're allowed to die and no one can stop you from exercising your existential right to suicide. Just know that everyone will be cursing you under their breath. You got to quit the game early, and now the rest of us have to clean up your mess. Don't pretend like you're an hero or some shit for failing at existence.>>229784
Yeah, maybe to your mom, bro. But I don't know you, cunt. Not only are you inconveniencing other people, but now I should actually care about your dead ass? What makes you so special and sets you apart from the thousands of people that died that day. Your proximity? Suicide is like the ultimate attention whore act. It's like me me me me *splat* now you can't ignore me cuz I got blood over the pavement and traumatized some kids. Yes, now spend multiple days thinking about me me me me and how much MY suffering was so important and much more important than everyone else. Also, come to my vigil cuz I am an hero.
A human death is nothing. There's thousands of people dying every day and they don't even register as an event in my brain. There's probably kids and doctors dying every day and nobody cares, but some virgin should tear me up? Get fucking real, bud.
lol who gives a shit about inconveniencing normalfaggots? fuck those npc retards.
like i said, who gives a fuck about normalfags?
Because you make other people reflect on their mortality and it makes them feel bad. Your family must also reflect on if they raised you properly and it would make them "sad" for a little while. That's why.
Your actual death means nothing, only the effect it has on THEM matters. Tis the way of the world.
>>229747>some people are slightly inconvenienced by your suicide
Well fuck them.
How is he wrong? It really is nothing, it's not even a blip in the radar of the universe. Think of the timescale of the human lifespan and the smallness and insignificance of the matter that comprises the individual. It's not literally nothing but it's as infinitesimally as close as you can get.
I does mean nothing in the space of senses. Just a mantra, supposing to stop one from doing this in a fear of people saying you are bad boy.
If it does not work for you, it means nothing for you.
In the time that it took you to write this reply, some amount of people died. Did you mourn each of them? Even if you heard it on the news, it wouldn't register as a significant event. The only thing that matters is proximity and whether those deaths actually impact you.https://www.worldometers.info/
You are now aware that people are dying everywhere. I hope you feel the full extent of grief for each of them or you are truly a despicable person.
i never said he was wrong, its not really something you can be wrong about, you either feel empathy for people or you dont.>>230596
why would i mourn people i have no emotional attachment to? thats not the same thing as wanting to help someone regardless of who it is.
Other people's opinions of whether I kill myself won't shame me into not doing it, if your pain isn't unbearable and you can still function then waiting until older family members one may care for pass away first would be ideal. I'm sure a lot of people who ended their lives wanted to do that but if you're suffering immensely and see no way out potentially waiting decades doesn't seem reasonable, especially when the people you're staying alive for don't see it as a favour and condemn you for whatever life choices you're making just to bear the pain long enough to see their life through, not that you should expect them to understand, because if they did they wouldn't feel the need to keep them trapped here as a shell of a human being.
>>226736>is it that hard to rationalize that someone's life is truly hopeless
Yes, most part of the people have been raised by movies and cartoons constantly telling them that there are some kind of inner rightness to existence, "don't give up, you must stay strong until the magic third act !". Even a wizard must pass through different states of desillusion to apprehend the fact that nothing will happen
I always though dying in the forest was a noble way to die. You leave your corpse to billion of microorganism and little bugs who will gladly take it
fuck you normalcattle. go back!
Normalfags are obsessed with burial inside some sort of object, they don't realize your skin and bones will literally wither into dust in 50 years and you'd have been better off giving your body to the environment and enriching soils. Ungrateful normalfags can't imagine giving back to the environment they polluted and shit on their whole lives, they must rape the planet even in death with oversized non-biodegradable coffins.
Nature worshipers can blow me. Fuck nature
always been of the same mind. probably wont get my way so cremation and flushed down the toilet it is then.
Selfishness is a virtue.
>>226477>"Suicide is selfish"
Selfishness is logical
This anon's words mirror my thoughts.
I feel that there's a certain moral virtue in attempting to find a way to go quietly, without leaving a mess behind, and without disturbing people. Those anons that would leave their body decomposing for weeks rather than spending a few hours going off somewhere remote before dying probably feel like it's an act of defiance of the social norms that wronged them in the first place, which is understandable.
However, I think it's hard to argue that suiciding virtuously is a bad thing. I personally believe that not being able to adapt to the world sufficiently to lead a content life is not its fault, and so I don't want to "strike back" at it. The choice does ultimately fall to the person whose mindset is already twisted when compared to the "normal" mindset, which plays a part in other views on this matter. What good would it do to try and denigrate the person for being seflish like this, anyway? Not like they're gonna listen to the world lashing out at them once again and fix themselves up when they're just about ready to leave it already, it's far past that point.
Wouldn't every normalfag? Will they build it for you while you live or after you have die? surrounded by statues which have more life than you. Birds would not even got out of their way to shit on it. And people if they should care will need to maintain it.
Assisted suicide is wrong because not every person in this world is sage enough to be able to make decisions for themselves. The vast majority of people are norpers and it is wrong to allow someone with so little capability for independent thought to kill themselves if the feeling arises.
I guess we should be making having kids illegal in most cases as well.
I think it is a long process to undergo assisted suicide and it provides time for a family and friends to show their love and try to convince them not to kill themselves. And doctors should they care try to treat the causes. As of now the suicidal are afraid to express their suicidal ideation which silences any chance they have of being helped causing a higher likelihood of suicide.
I think suicidal people should hold onto hope realising that they will die someday and cutting their life short may be severing them for realising some cosmic potential or vague meaning.
The point of my post is that the guy who doesn't want to see you hit the ground while out buying a bagel should become a euthanasia advocate.
I think that euthanasia might cause less suicide as it should be a more appealing way to die
Suicidal people think about death a lot and for a long they are capable of making a well thought out decision about assisted suicide and most would prefer it.
Always will be normalfags who lost a girlfriend or were fired from work who decide to jump from their apartment, shoot themselves in the head or leap in front of the train on their way home from work. The people who you say have so little capability for independent thought to kill themselves if the feeling arises can't be stopped
People should consider having children more carefully. This won't be taught it schools though our countries want workers not thinkers
Being dead is different from having a kid.>>234579
It's just bad, if someone wants to die they should get crushed by a train.