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Post here when you don't have enough to say for a topic and it's too depressing for the general crawl thread.

Thomas Ligotti - The Conspiracy Against the Human Race:
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You can have a great master's degree with amazing grades but it doesnt mean shit when you have no work experience, no references, no social ability


If it wasn't in engineering or IT then probably. Everything else is a meme.


Ironic, IT is what i'm doing but I still don't think i'll find a job anyways, my town is ass and I can't afford to move into another city. Oh well who knows.


I think you'll make it wiz, you'll find somewhere that needs IT. Even country folks need IT work done.


>graduate college
>search job sites
>every "entry level" position requires 4+ years of work experience
>apply anyway with shit resume
>zero interviews


Just apply to a job that doesn't require any work experience then. It might not be the job you want, but it's a job.


But imagine the kind of job that doesn't care about experience. It means they're really desperate for anyone since it's such a crappy position, or it's some kind of internship/training thing where you get paid very little, if at all.


If every job you want requires work experience, and you have none, how do you expect to get it exactly?


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wizchan 2020, not getting a first job that requires at least 4 years experience, but won't even look at jobs that don't require one


Real funny seeing this shit here. Every job wants you to have experience. There are no “entry level” jobs anymore. Entry level now means being an unpaid intern, a literal slave.


Every year millions of people start their first job. How do they do it?


Oh you mean burger flipping and lifting boxes for peanut money? Yeah those are real jobs, really real good fucking jobs.


And yet they make more than you.


> they make more than you
As do literal male prostitutes. So, what? That still doesn't make food service or logistics a wise career move, particularly for someone with an IS degree.


You're not offering a solution to your problem.


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>wizchan 2020
The expression, "Wizchan current year", is meant to call out normalfaggotry or some utterly unwizardly post.
To use it in response of a wizard who is complaining about the job market isn't a valid use of the expression.


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>Every year millions of people start their first job. How do they do it?


"New Survey Reveals 85% of All Jobs are Filled Via Networking"



" Some estimate that upwards of 85 percent of open positions are filled through networking. If you’re looking for work, it might be better to put your time into building your professional network rather than pouring through all those listings online. Could networking actually the best way to find a new job?"



"At least 70% of jobs are not even listed… Some experts say that 70% of people ended up in their current position thanks to networking. Others say it's more like 80% or even 85%."


Most of this is people changing jobs because of an offer, not actively looking. Actively looking for a job has it 50/50 applications / networking.


Oh come on, you seriously think shelf stacking in some nigger ghetto convenience store or delivering packages requires a "network"? Getting your first job is difficult but after that you will wonder how you ever struggled finding these jobs when they were straight under your nose.
Networking doesnt mean anything, its a normalfag meme from business school.

The problem is that most of us are untrained dropout fuckups with mental issues and there seem to be less wizard jobs every year.


>Actively looking for a job has it 50/50 applications / networking.


>Networking doesnt mean anything, its a normalfag meme from business school.
You are ridiculous. Networking is how most professionals start off their career.

Obviously to do minimum wage low skill work like stacking shelves in a grocery store doesn't require networking or extensive references but to get your first job in a certain industry, like IT, requires connections in 70%+ of new hires.

Also working a physical labor job doesn't help if you want to get into a professional field. The employer won't care how many years you spent stacking shelves if they want you to debug code or manage an IT infrastructure.


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the one he linked


Yeah red = networking. Blue = applying without networking.
That graph proves my point because it shows that more people get jobs from networking than from applying.


IT has gotta be the least networkish profession out there, literary every company is looking for an IT guy at this point, the fuck you need a network for.
If you wanted to get into a "professional field" you should have stayed in school, sorry.


Because the IT industry is over saturated. Every year there are much more graduates than there are entry level positions available.
This leads to a large amount of unemployed or underemployed college and university graduates.
Sure the IT field is constantly growing, with more jobs available each year worldwide, but the amount of people in school or upon graduation trying to get into the field doesn't guarantee everyone a job.

IT has one of the highest turn over rates with the average IT worker holding a position for an average of just 3 years before being laid off or fired. This leads to a tremendous amount of overskilled or overqualified IT personnel who are willing to take on lesser positions.
There are guys with 10+ years of experience applying to entry level jobs because they can't find anything else.

I graduated back in 2016 with a degree in comp sci, I got a CCNA cert and other IT certs, and I couldn't get hired anywhere.
On forums and imageboards I found people in the exactly same situation. Educated but no one wants to hire them because they lack work experience and have no connections.
It's tough being autistic and trying to fit in with the normals. They can see it right away and reject you.
So eventually after working shit jobs in factories I quit everything and went on welfare. Now I can live free and easy.

I regret going to university or high school. I should have stayed at home all day and played starcraft instead of wasting my life chasing some career no one wanted to give me a chance on.

Anyone who says it's so easy to get a job in IT obviously didn't struggle like this or face my sort of challenges.


You're acting as if 40% is super difficult number to hit. If 40% of people get a job through an application, why can't you just be one of the 40%?


You know if you guys didn't choose to live in big cities you wouldn't need 100k+ salary just to make rent. Minimum wage is enough money to live a normal life in a small town and retire at a normal age. You have to be pretty degenerate to stay at that salary your entire life though. 1.5x minimum wage is enough to retire early (like 45). This is with higher paying "shitty jobs" that don't require any more work experience than working at Walmart for a couple years.

Move out of the city and be frugal and you can get a mortgage for a house in 5 years and pay it off in another 20 and at that point you're paying like $50 a month for property taxes and the rest just grows in the market.

Fucking retards trying to get IT jobs in a high cost of living area lmao. Life is actually super easy, you guys are just dumb. Enjoy your debt.


40% is less than half. 60% of people don't get a job just through applying.

>why can't you just be one of the 40%?

Because I am not super talented, highly intelligent, did not graduate from a top prestigious school, and suffer from health problems both mental and physical that impair my ability to function in society which renders me unemployable because being an unhealthy autistic nerd with zero friends isn't what employers are looking for and there are tons and tons of better candidates who get the job instead of me.


>Life is actually super easy, you guys are just dumb
I was typing up a response to the earlier portions of your message but I can see you're not serious. You're just here to bully people on /dep/.


You're right, I'm saying that from my perspective now. I was a high school dropout NEET until almost 26. At that point I would not have ever thought that.

But a few years later and I'm almost 28 and I have a shitty low paying job, that is how I feel. It isn't some hypothetical math equation, those are my thoughts after having joined the work force at a super late age. Those are my thoughts making basically minimum wage. Life is way fucking easier than I thought.


What do you even work? You seriously own a apartment with computer and food easily with your shit job? Do you live in a flyover state or some shit?


I think I have bipolar disorder but I don't know what to do about it, doctors always give me antipsychotics but they make me feel worse so I dont like discussing my problems with doctors to avoid the medication, usually I just talk about my anxiety so I can get benzos for leaving the house, today I peaked in mood for most of the day and now I can feel I'm starting to crash as predicted and I feel terrified, sick and sad, but more scared than sad, I just feel bad in general, I wish I could act normal or something, there's just something wrong with me


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I like wearing masks. I look like an ogre and scare people I think. When I wear a cotton mask with a cute fabric or a baby blue colour people seem to treat me nicer, and my politeness is well recieved. Not a threat and others are fine.


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This is the only mask I will wear


it must be a flyover state with super low costs but still like a 7.25 minimum wage wouldn't pay for shit. minimum wage here wouldn't get you shit.


yeah, this is something a lot of the more social wizards don't really get. when you are autistic or otherwise neurodivergent and aren't good at passing, normal people can see through you pretty quickly.

most of the engineers/programmers I went to school with networked well enough amongst themselves and landed prestigious internships during the summer like someone did one at roblox and someone did one at trendmicro. and those weren't their only internships. this was like 8 years ago, but there are enough people in those fields with the social skills where most firms don't need to hire autistic people. i think a few have programs to hire autistic people but they're probably getting paid way less.


Hm, maybe this would help me a bit. I like wearing masks too for the same reason, but it feels like people still see me as a creep anyway, but it helps give me more anonymity especially since I wear a cap too.


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40% chance for a single jobapplication, and how long does it take nowadays to apply, how about applying for two jobs then? you realize people before the internet had to actually get off their asses and apply via different newspapers or had to show up in person for the first step, while you only have to send a prewritten email in a few minutes jesus, sure that means more competition, but there is absolutely no drawback in getting rejected then

you can search for exuses all you want, sooner or later you have to make a choice on your own or get in situations forced upon you, i also doubt 60% have all the qualities you listed



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Minimum wage isn't even as bad as you guys think it is. You look at people who have shitty jobs and they are living paycheck to paycheck and their lives are horrible.

But guess what? You want to know why these fabricated stereotypes in your mind are different than your situation? They all have a wife and kids and have vices like cigarettes, alcohol, lottery tickets, fast food, etc. And on top of that in general they lack understanding the importance of compound interest, whether it's investing or debt.

You don't (or shouldn't) have any of these things. That is why minimum wage for a wizard is actually not that bad. You just need to stop comparing yourself to normies and do calculations based on your own life. If you live in a big city, that is the first change you need to make. Just do a little bit of research for yourself and you'll see, it is sustainable long term with actual real savings.


An interesting note about compound interest. If you take the average market return rates for the US stock market, something really safe like S&P500, and adjust for inflation, $1 today will become $10 in 40 years.

If you are 25 right now, and you retire at 65, every dollar you spend is $10 later. That means if you eat 60 cents worth of rice instead of getting a big mac meal at McDonalds, in a way you are saving $70 for yourself down the road. And that IS adjusted for inflation. $70 in today's money value, just 40 years from now. This is why savings is so important. Don't fall into the paycheck to paycheck trap. Save money.


>weekend off
>parents are fighting about dumb bullshit
Imagine how surprised I am about this


The more i think about my life the more stressed out i get so i daydream about the person i want to be. but the more i daydream the more i realize ho unachievable my ideal life is so that stresses me out too.idk what to do really


My teeth are all ground down, my intestines pushing out my abdomen because I'm so fat, my brain is broken, and I'm trying my best. This failure is the best I can do. I should be euthanized damn it.


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>and I'm trying my best.

same. hold me wizbro


You must keep trying.


Fuck my life. I feel awful.


Being a slave to your genes is something painful and hard to put into words.

Even as a kid I remember growing up noticing how others had a natural looking body type, height, fat distribution, mental stability, minor skills that came off naturally for them, and a long etc.
Always questioning myself why I looked and felt so strange, and I'm not referring to social standards, so-called beauty ideals, or situations regarding social aspects of life that normals talk about all the time when mental health or personal image comes up as a topic.
I'm talking about feeling comfortable within yourself and for yourself, inside your body and inside your mind, not only when being forced to interact with others.
Feeling "right" about who you are and the way you look, your every day thoughts, your body form, something simple that pretty much everyone took for granted was already an uphill battle for me since childhood.


>I should be euthanized damn it.
Post your address and I'll see what I can do.

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