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 No.230521

Christians say that you should fear Hell after death, but we are already living in Hell right now.

 No.230524

Ahg common you still have a fkin computer and the internet to post on wizchan, try being starved as an African kid or getting decapitated.

 No.230536

>>230524
>getting decapitated
I wish, those who got decapitated are suffering no more.

 No.230537

>>230524
You people always go straight for physical pain when trying to think of something bad. That's ridiculous. Physical pain is nothing, you can block it out extremely easily since you aren't actually your body. I've cut out moles down to the root from my body and not flinched, it's really not that big of a deal to starve or be beat up. But of course for people like you who are enthralled 99% by matter it's the only thing you can think of. Good body sensation = good day, bad body sensation = bad day. No wonder so many depcrabs are also fatalists.
Oh, and niglets in Africa do not suffer since niggers have no consciousness of the self. Depcrabs suffer much more than niggers, they deserve more of your pity.

 No.230538

>>230537
>niggers have no consciousness of the self
Welp
>>230536
You can always do that to yourself right?

 No.230540

>>230537
in the bible it says your body and soul will be destroyed in hell. but even if we assume only your body will be destroyed, why would you think that just because you cant feel pain you would go unpunished? im sure an all powerful god would find a way to punish you. but an intervention from god wouldnt be needed to make hell insufferable, you would already be suffering from the hopelessness of your situation. if you subtract the physical pain, you are just sitting around looking at the ground for eternity, knowing there is nothing more for you, ever. eventually you will run out of thoughts to occupy you and your own mind will torment you.

 No.230543

>>230540
The "punishment" isn't akin to lower-vibration gross societal punishment. It's a result of fetid materialistic souls engaging in a duality-spiral, willingly manifesting hell periods on account of their warped aetheric emanations. If you know God (I Am) you are immune to all Hells because you know how to operate your soul and spirit, thus ejecting awareness and re-engineering the soul-psyche whenever a hell-pattern begins manifesting.

 No.230545

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Basically

 No.230550

>>230537
Agreed. Mental trauma is way worse. My mental state is so bad that I haven't slept happily in months. Days have become like a living hell.

 No.231375

>>230521
Just use some imagination about how worse thngs can get, real or unreal.

 No.231381

I started out Deist, then became a Darwinist Atheist when I saw no Good God would create a world like this. But now Im so despairing that I think only an intelligent designer could craft such a perfect hell.

The misery of the world to me now is a proof of a Bad God

 No.231384

>>230521
I often wonder this, seems like it when the opposite of what I want to happen mostly happens.
>>230524
There are different kinds of pain and torture. Years of mental torture, not being able to do what most others can do, can very much be torture.

 No.231386

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>he hasn't taken the gnosticism pill

 No.231408

Yes I was also thinking about this, how this hellish life of mine is probably even worse than the christian hell, think about it in hell you just endure physical pain and tbh after a while you would get used to it, but this existance is pure pain, watching everyone living happy fulfilling lives while you are like some kind of monster no one wants to be around, is like living on a trial version of life.

 No.231412

Teeth are proof to me that this is hell. Imagine creating a craving in most, if not all, people for sweet food. Then, make the teeth that are responsible for grinding and breaking down said food susceptible to rot and wear from the sweet food. Finally, design every tooth to be filled with nerve endings, that will provide constant pain when exposed to rot, cracks or air. The cravings are never-endings, therefore the pain is never-ending.

 No.231779

>>231386
Redpill me on gnosticism, anon

 No.231796

>>231779
There are many kinds of gnosticism. Here is my version:
>God is an asshole dictator
>Lucifer isn't a fallen angel but another deity, a good god who wants to save us from this shitty realm
>Lucifer gave us individuality and knowledge
>the goal of life is to evade pain and accumulate pleasure after pleasure
>only pleasure liberates us
>organized religions are evil

 No.231801

>>231796
>the goal of life is to evade pain and accumulate pleasure after pleasure
>only pleasure liberates us
that is not gnosticism

 No.231802

>>230524
Mental torture is still torture, normalfag boomer.
You really deserve to experience it.

 No.231803

>>231796
How about both god and devil are malevolent?
The one is mostly indifferent to sufferings of humanity with animals and other is actively causes it.

 No.231804

>>231796
>asshole
>lucifer is dindunuffin, he was good boy!
I smell reddit and social "justice".
Why you are here? Go back.

 No.231805

>>231804
I smell /pol/ on your post.
Go back.

 No.231806

>>231779
In short its belief that planetary spirit of saturn, creator and governor of this flawed world is not true god, a source.

 No.231808

>>231805
Not everyone who dislikes your zealotry is heretic of your wannabe religion.
You are not wizard and don't belong to this site.

 No.231842

>>231801
Certainly you didn't read about libertine gnostic sects. Gnosticism had many variations, most of them advocated a life-denying, ascetic life for sure due to neoplatonism and such but there were libertine gnostics who valued pleasure too.
What is gnostic and what is not still baffles most scholars and they can't really come up with good or concrete answers. For me, gnosticism means salvation through knowledge and anti-creator/anti-demiurge feelings.

>>231803
Where do the good things come from then? Listening to Chopin and metal music, reading poetry, masturbation, simply spending an afternoon watching anime in a comfy room and such? For me, not all of creation is evil necessarily and that is because the Lightbringer gave us light - knowledge, individuality, the various kind of arts, entertainment and escapism, etc. The creator wanted Adam to labor until the day of his death and Eve to give birth to children after children yet Lucifer saved us, he showed us that there is more to life than just slaving away under the yoke of society and God. If it weren't for Lucifer our world would be much darker, no pun intended.

>>231804
Lucifer did things, good things to us. If it weren't for him you would still be a lobotomized slave serving God without second thoughts. Luci is hated by mainstream religions because he gave the middle finger to the rulers and the community and because he was a lone wolf, not a sheep.
>I smell reddit and social "justice".
Then check your nose because I'm pretty far away from both of those things.

 No.231849

test post anon ignore

 No.231868

Near-Death Experiences interest me when it comes to the hellishness of life. When "die" and then perceive an encounter with the afterlife, they always go on and on about how life is worth living and blah blah blah plattidues.

I can never understand it. WHAT MAKES LIFE WORTH LIVING? Why are we alive? The generic answers are "to love" or something vague like that. But some people suffer as mental retards or as schizoids who can't love.

 No.231871

>>231842
Lucifer is venus dark feminine deity of such things as lust, conflicts, arts, knowledge, or saturn even more malevolent deity of such things as darkness, opression, degradation depending who you ask.
Archons are not your friends.

 No.231872

>>231868
>Near-Death Experiences interest me when it comes to the hellishness of life. When "die" and then perceive an encounter with the afterlife, they always go on and on about how life is worth living and blah blah blah plattidues.
So you wonder why a man who wakes from the boundary between life and death after seeing what we call the afterlife decides that he must live at whatever cost? Perhaps it is better not to know. There are things in this universe that the human brain cannot physically comprehend; and when, through death, a man is freed of his corporeal form, and his fragile human soul is at the mercy of the unknowable things that lie beyond the curtain of reality, he realizes that his body was not some organic prison, but an impermeable fortress against the things which cannot be borne by human minds.

 No.231873

>>231868
Usually nothing.
Its just instinctive fear of non-existence or worse demons lying to them, so they will generate loosh for them.
This existence no doubt, a meaningless horror

 No.231874

>>231842
>For me, not all of creation is evil necessarily and that is because the Lightbringer gave us light - knowledge, individuality, the various kind of arts, entertainment and escapism, etc. The creator wanted Adam to labor until the day of his death and Eve to give birth to children after children yet Lucifer saved us, he showed us that there is more to life than just slaving away under the yoke of society and God. If it weren't for Lucifer our world would be much darker, no pun intended.
>Lucifer did things, good things to us. If it weren't for him you would still be a lobotomized slave serving God without second thoughts. Luci is hated by mainstream religions because he gave the middle finger to the rulers and the community and because he was a lone wolf, not a sheep.
Under Christian theology, Lucifer was created for that purpose(among other things). It was all part of the plan. You seem to be trying to make a jab at God, but you can't do it with arguments like that. An omniscient creator wouldn't bumble so stupidly that he would create a creature that would destroy his ultimate plan of lobotomite worshipers.
If you want to, you can admire the role that Lucifer played in the fate of Mankind, but don't go so far that you forget who made Lucifer do it.

 No.231878

>>231874
>An omniscient creator wouldn't bumble so stupidly that he would create a creature that would destroy his ultimate plan of lobotomite worshipers.
You didn't read my first post, did you? I said that I believe Lucifer is another deity entirely that has existed since the beginning along with the god we know. Both the creator and Luci are gods. The fallen angel meme was only spread to give Lucifer a bad name. Lucifer saw what shit YHWH created so he decided to interfere and help us humans.

>>231871
>Lucifer is venus dark feminine deity of such things as lust, conflicts, arts, knowledge
That seems about right and I respect Luci for it. Lust and conflict have their places in life, even if you are a wizhermit who masturbates to anime succubi all day you can't really say lust is a bad thing. Conflict is necessary when you awaken as an individual who is different from the herd, conflict is unavoidable when you are a lone wolf. And we all know that without arts and knowledge life wouldn't be worth anything.

 No.231879

>>231878
Extreme cringe. You're going to wake up a few years from now in cold sweats cringing at what you just wrote.

 No.231922

>>231879
Unlike you, I don't cringe at anything I did in the past. Not anymore.

 No.232017

>>231796
Actually; God doesn't care at all .
you are not a divine creation, but you are a 'directed' one.
Lucifer is a jewish fairy tale; a stupidity seems of be your major accomplishment.
One of Gods 'children' took you over long ago but is getting burnt out after many thousands of years.
I don't know where it all goes from here.

 No.232020

I was raised a Bible thumper. Was pretty hard into it too. I argued fervently that earth and everything in the universe was created in 6 days, that there was a global flood, that the Bible is inarrent and all that horseshit. I thought evolution was a satanic scheme. Ugh, the things I used to believe. But anyways, I am an atheist now. It’s amazing, supposedly I was “free” as a Christian. But I have a real sense of freedom now that I am atheist. Granted I suffer from chronic depression. But that is just due to genetics (demons as I thought during my Christshit days) and certain circumstances in life.

Stay away from Christianity dudes. It is so dumb. If the judeo-Christian god exists (spoiler he doesn’t lol) then he is evil and deserves nothing but hatred. If you need to meet spiritual needs, look into paganism, satanism, pantheism, Buddhism. They are so much more true to the human condition than the cancer that is the three Abrahamic cults.

 No.232021

>>232020
>spoiler he doesn’t lol
Because you or some kikes said so, wizkid?

 No.232022

>>232020
>Ugh
And now you believe in social justice and stuff?
Go back to reddit.

 No.232023

>>232017
>Lucifer is a jewish fairy tale
No, pagan.
Helel ben Shaḥar, lucifer original is pre bible, pagan deity.
jews can't into invention, but they can shamelessly steal.

 No.232024

>>231878
>you can't really say lust is a bad thing.
I can and will, faggot.

 No.232026

>>232021
Based upon all evidence. Honestly if you are a Christian, get off this website. You have no right to be here. This is a place for the most depressed and pathetic people around. People don’t like high and holy jackasses like you coming here telling us how god has a plan and loves us and all that utter horseshit.

Ps: “I feel god in my heart” is not evidence for his existence. So do not even go that route.

>>232022
When did I ever say what I believe politically? Must’ve been quite an essay that I wrote if you found some hidden message in it that even I didn’t notice.

 No.232028

>16 years old who just discover atheism vs Christian Defense Forces who reply to him like it's the first atheist they see on the internet

 No.232038

>>232026
>Based upon all evidence.
Oh, you are deboonker.
>Honestly if you are a Christian, get off this website
No.
>You have no right to be here.
Unlike you, redditor? Wizchzan 2020.
>jackasses
Go back to reddit.

 No.232040

>>232017
God does care, otherwise why would he have created everything? He wants us to serve him mindlessly and to worship him while he fucks with us for fun.
>Lucifer is a jewish fairy tale
Oh, if only you would know how much of a "fairy tale" he is…

>>232020
>If you need to meet spiritual needs, look into paganism, satanism, pantheism, Buddhism
This is true, except for Buddhism. It is another slave religion just like Christianity.

>>232024
You literally can't give a single example to support your argument. Sad.

>>232028
This thread is basically "go back to reddit" "no, you" + "jews, jews, jews, social justice!!" polshit at this point.

 No.232043

>>232040
You confused god for saturn.
The actual god is the source.

 No.232055


 No.232056

I hate Christians, especially the western kind who claim to be all about love and compassion yet think poor people deserve to stay poor and die on the streets. Fuck them and their bootstraps mentality.

 No.232059

>>232056
Based. The Republican Party is such a disgrace. The party of the holier than thou evangelitard but belives that if you are unlucky enough to not have health insurance then you should die on the street, the party of tax cuts for the right, the party of business over people. It needs to burn to the ground. Christianity needs to die along with it. Christianity is dying in fact, which is a good thing.

 No.232060

>>232059
*rich not right

 No.232062

>>232059
>>232056
You sound like some 2012 teenager who just discovered politics.

 No.232063

>>232056
Your view of Christians is based on reddit memes and the media. I live in the bible belt and have met a lot of Christians. The type you're talking about is derided in essentially every church group and parish and is nearly exclusive to upper-middle class evangelicals and trailer-park Christians.
>>232059
I have argued with people like you for so long that I really feel like I'm cutting down innumerable hordes and hordes of tyranid waves.

 No.232071

>>232059
The Republican party and Christianity strengthens the nation, and this is where your gibsmedat will come from. The demonic rats and atheism weaken the nation, meaning no gibsmedat.

 No.232080

Just cease the bullshit politics, faggots. We have a containment thread on /lounge/ for your cancer.

>>232043
I use the word god for what people usually use it for, the creator or demiurge. My own lord is Lucifer.

 No.232087

>>232059
>hristianity is dying in fact, which is a good thing.
The problem that social justice takes its place.

 No.232088

>>232080
>creator or demiurge
And lucifer is one of its names, fool.

 No.232091

>>230537
>>230524
It’s stupid to compare which suffering is worse because it’s completely subjective. The point is simply that a person is perceiving their own suffering as unbearable, at that point it doesn’t really matter what the cause is. A child crying because he lost his favorite toy seems stupid to an adult, but for the kid it’s a huge deal and he is reallt suffering. A wizard suffering from mental health might seem like a “first world problem” but he is still suffering. Once you reach a certain point where it becomes unbearable, all suffering is basically equal. The only exception issue for a few fringe cases where the suffering exceeds the limit of unbearable and breaks people’s minds with trauma. That kind of suffering only really happens in cases like torture or freak accidents though, and isn’t really common.

 No.232111

I see lots of pro-christian posts here, so I will elaborate my thoughts: What is wrong with christianity? It is anti-neet, pro-work, anti-virginity (unless you do it for God), always sucking up to the current government or ruler unless they are vehemently anti-christian in nature, it is anti-masturbation and anti-pornography. Seriously, christianity is the average normal's religion: go and get a family, procreate, work like a slave and always put the needs of others before you - most importantly others who are above you in society like politicians and authority figures. Be a slave just like Jesus was, let others take your stuff and even more so, give it to them yourself! Let them beat you up because turn the other cheek (except when it comes to wars, then you are free to butcher everyone your political leaders tell you to slaughter).

I might have more respect for christians if they were actually trying to live according to what their Savior preached too instead of mixing christianity with nationalism and ultra-capitalism/social darwinian believes. In its essence christianity doesn't care about nations, races or classes so why do I always see christians preaching about the nation and treating rich people better than others?
In essence: christianity is very close to what some posters here might call social justice.
Well, I don't like either socialist true christianity or the common social darwinist, nationalistic christianity we have nowadays.

It is the religion of sheep truly and a degenerate version of Judaism. Just like how Buddhism is a degenerate version of Hinduism. With Christianity and Buddhism respectively humanity entered into the age of slave religions.

>>232088
Satan is not Lucifer.

 No.232112

>>232111
I don’t see why you single out Christianity when that’s just all religions. Also you forgot about Islam. It’s the second biggest religion in the world (or third, don’t remember).

 No.232113

>>232112
because arabs are not humans, they do not possess human minds, they have like 80 IQ, same as monkeys, so their religion is not relevant at all.

 No.232114

>>231871
I just wonder why didn't relate Satan with Mars instead.

Also you are confusing venus with lilith

 No.232119

>>232112
People were discussing christianity here so that is why I talked about it. Anyways, islam is fucking cancer, that is pretty obvious to anyone. To the credit of muslims though, they are at least consistent and follow through what is written in their holy texts. But that is more of a conflict of idealism and realism. Christianity by nature is idealistic while islam is realistic just like judaism which is why it is much harder to live like a true christian than a true muslim.
>all religions
The difference is eastern religions in general are okay with diversity and accepting that others may think differently about the same holy texts or whatever. Christianity and islam on the other hand are ready to sentence others to hell simply because they think slightly differently from their particular branch of religion.
Also, in pagan religions you could always pick some god or hero from the lore whom you could identify with, christianity and islam describes how you should act and think in every case. Judaism used to be like that - some parts of it still are like that - but in short: mainstream abrahamic religions suck, the esoteric branches are the only ones the are worth something in them.

 No.232144

>>231868
if you werent alive right now you would be sitting in the void doing nothing. eons would pass and you wouldnt taste anything, hear any music, feel any comfort, feel any emotion. if you were in that place you would choose to become a human every single time no matter how much suffering there is while you are alive. whether or not life has meaning is irrelevant because life is better than death.

>>232020
you mustve been a catholic. the existence of god doesnt have any effect on the teachings of jesus, they hold truth regardless of who says them. as the story of the good samaritan teaches, you will be forgiven for not knowing the right theology, but you dont get to heaven if you dont love others.

>>232040
>It is another slave religion just like Christianity.
who cares which religions are slave religions, at the end of the day you act like god doesnt exist and will always follow whoever gives you money. your religion is money, you will do anything for money, without money you are nothing. if im a slave, im enslaved by a perfect being, meanwhile you are enslaved by some shithead with lots of money.

 No.232158

>>232091
>The only exception issue for a few fringe cases where the suffering exceeds the limit of unbearable and breaks people’s minds with trauma.
I would wager a lot of wizards suffer from genuine PTSD

 No.232160

>>232114
Mars is god of war, not deception and corruption
Lilith is one of venus names

 No.232161

>>232144
Thats allows others to suffer.
Honestly, that obsession with convulted plans and workings in mysterious ways really reminds me of tzeench.

 No.232162

>>232144
>if you werent alive right now you would be sitting in the void doing nothing.
Good
>eons would pass and you wouldnt taste anything, hear any music, feel any comfort, feel any emotion.
Hedonism is unchristian, repent.
>if you were in that place you would choose to become a human
No.
>every single time no matter how much suffering there is while you are alive.
Cope harder.
>whether or not life has meaning is irrelevant because life is better than death.
No, doubt no.

 No.232187

>>232144
>who cares which religions are slave religions, at the end of the day you act like god doesnt exist and will always follow whoever gives you money. your religion is money, you will do anything for money, without money you are nothing. if im a slave, im enslaved by a perfect being, meanwhile you are enslaved by some shithead with lots of money.
I don't know how you reached these conclusions about me but you are wrong. I don't particularly care about money besides that amount that is necessary to my comfort and well-being (and I have pretty low-standards). That aside, I think materialism comes first of all - if you are suffering or face hardships in life continually then you can't really tap into spiritualism because constant discomfort drains all your attention and focus. Every religion that is vehemently anti-body or anti-materialism is hypocrisy at best.

A new age of religions is needed. We need to go back to age of realistic/materialistic religions instead of the idealistic/anti-materialistic cults we have now. Judaism, hinduism, pagan religions, esoteric and occult teachings can show us the way towards a better future, a future where slave religions don't exist anymore.

 No.232341

>>232038
Go back to /lounge/ you cancerous reddit obsessed christcuck.
Imagine coming to /dep/ where suicidal depressed people reside to defend your shitty religion that tells them they should be happy with their lives and that they shouldn't end their suffering because there's more to come for disobeying god which gave them their suffering in the first place.
Fuck you.

 No.232342

>>232144
>you would be sitting in the void doing nothing
>you would choose to become a human
That's not how non-existence works you low IQ mongoloid. Hedonistic, retarded, religious nutjob hick.
You couldn't make yourself more stereotypical if you tried, do you have no self awareness whatsoever?

 No.232344

>>232341
Christians can be depressed. The bible has stories of people who get depressed, consider suicide, and even commit it. This thread is also religious so it's going to attract people who have something to say on that topic.

 No.232347

>>232344
Christians in thier retarded, contradictory interpretations of hell generally oppose suicide because they believe suicide sends you to hell where you will suffer forever.
Have you ever seen a person that suffers from akathisia? It's one of the worst conditions you can have, every second is torture and it goes on and on for months and years and it doesn't stop. Christians would tell a person suffering from that to keep on living or burn forever or whatever medieval shit they can think of. Worst is Christianity admits life is mostly suffering, it is aware of how bad it can get, it's a massive selling point for it's afterlife yet it still opposes suicide, they WANT people to suffer for as long as possible.
They are also partly responsible for making good suicide methods inaccessible for a lot of people, fuck them.
Again, imagine coming to a board where most people are miserable just to defend a belief that tells them to suffer for as long as possible or else.

 No.232349

What's up with all the christians everywhere here? Are we being raided?

 No.232350

>>232349
They're using crabchan slang as well like deboonker, I'm expecting them to start posting soijacks any second now.

 No.232351

>>232350
Is it wrong of me to wish to torture these vehement christposters? I understand why Nero and other emperors persecuted these faggots, they are annoying as hell with their retarded bullshit.

 No.232385

>>232349
Christianity is the second most retarded religion in existence

 No.232406

Look at all the anti-Christian manbabies chimping out. Imagine thinking that the followers of a religion founded by a 33 year old with no gf ever are unwizardly. This religion, specifically Catholicism, has caused even kings and nobility to die as virgins.

 No.232407

>>232349
Surprise, not everyone here agrees with you.

 No.232413

>>232406
>manbabies
Very wizardly insult you retarded crab, good job outing yourself.
Christianity is all about helping the normgroids around you, there's no requirement for a Christian to stay a virgin and Christianity is against abortion and contraception which creates more breeder scum.
Your religion is shit, not wizardly and you're trying your hardest not to use 4chan slang and insults and failing at it so just go back to /pol/ where you belong, crab.

 No.232414

>>232413
>falling for the /b/ avatarfag who ensures every post he makes has "manbabies" in it.

 No.232415

I find the idea of living for all eternity more horrifying than the idea of hell hell.

 No.232417

>>232413
>Christianity is against abortion and contraception which creates more breeder scum.
That's more breeder scum to work for your neetbux tyvm

 No.232425

>>232351
Thats not crab insult, thats tumblr, twatter and reddit crowd insult.

 No.232426

>>232406
Yes gnosfic christianity was wizardly, but modern and post council of nicea christianity was unwizardly and so are you.

 No.232490

>>232415
I don't see how living eternally is worse than hell given that hell is eternal life with added torment.

 No.232491

>>232482
christposter ousts himself as a normalfag here to bully wizkids and take screencaps of posts for r/cringe yet again, #3948594.
mods probably won't even delete this post or ban him though, and will continue allowing this shitty website to be some missionary project and let christposting run rampant. even though they do shit like this every single day.

 No.232519

>>230521
Exactly. You understood it all. There are several reason for this existence being hell:
- We are at the end of the world. So we're living in one of the worst "civilization" that could exist on earth.
- Living will always cause more pain than pleasure in average. Why? One reason is to remind you that you're not from this earth.


The real "hell" that is coming from our modern "civilization" is the absence of spirituality, and every consequences from it. A lack of why you exist is far worst than a lack of money. And that's why, really, this life is worst than the medieval life for exemple. Even if this life was hard physically, people even starved, their whole lifes was full of sense, and they did it all in name of something superior, looking at their true self and how they're gonna quit this earth to finally be who they have to be. They were closer to their true nature, and being close to your true nature is what fullfill you. We have never been farther to our true nature than day, and any amount of money, of comfort cannot outweight this. A lot of big thinkers used to say that comfort is a man's killer.


Yes, this earth, especially our times are hell. And it's perfectly logical.



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