>>251342>Wellbutrin (Bupropion) is fucking awesome.
Agreed, besides potentially giving you super alzheimer's or a seizure.
The entire idea behind a dopamine reuptake inhibitor is radical genius, on top of that it does the same for norepinephrine. Bupropion is an a-typical antidepressant and handles totally different than your typical SSRI shit show. Most people don't have serotonin issues.
>it numbs your emotions
>it is to be a normal functional member of society
It's funny how they don't even hide the fact that to be a normgroid it means to be a soulless drone
Pure poison. You're better off just being depressed in earnest than living in a pink fog of fake contentedness. The side effects are usually horrible and if weight loss is the worst you get count yourself lucky.
Try St. johns wort, ashwagandha, and ginkgo biloba. I take them daily without losing brain power or my wizard. SSRIs will make you gain weight, cause brain fog, ed, trouble urinating, constipation, brain damage and worse.
from my experience those things are no better than placebo with maybe a mild effect at big doses, though I have more than depression
I have way more than depression, and that may be but at least they're not gonna give me alzheimers and ED while I'm still in my 30s. Pharmaceuticals are absolutely evil. Never again.
I don't take antidepressants and a lot of those side-effects I read about here I have without even taking them.
I cannot imagine being any more numb emotionally, I haven't felt shit but discomfort at being alive for months.
dont take their meds , they gave me antipsychotics , benzos and ssri's
i was unable to have thoughts , i wasnt aware with my surroundings and felt certainly numb and unhuman
at the guest room for the therapist there was another old succubus who took the same benzos as i did , she looked dead , she stared at the floor for extented perioud of time and her movements were sluggish and robotic
don't take their meds , you're not ill for no reason the chemical imbalance they keep telling everyone is due to the shitty society we're forced to engage in and with
If you feel so much better, then why the fuck are you here?
THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK.
THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK.
THEY DON'T FUCKING WORK.
They make you emotionally and physically dead. That's all they do. The point is to make you so tired and despondent that you don't fucking kill yourself because FOR SOME FUCKING REASON SOCIETY DOESN'T WANT YOU TO FUCKING KILL YOURSELF.
Why the fuck do they care????
Why the fuck do they go to such lengths to stop you????
Just end it.
Good fucking god.
On 10mg a day of Viibryd I feel much better. Am I absolutely beaming and don't get sad or experience anxiety or any of that? Of course not but when I do take them I am much less likely to fall into the pit of despair that I often do otherwise. The problem is they are expensive and I don't have insurance so I'm kind of screwed when these run out.
I wanna quit my anti-depressants solely the fact that they charge me for it and 50 bucks to do appointments, I know people need money to eat but my god im tired of them taking money out of my pocket just to be zombified, they dont really truly care about mental health and the fact I wanna kill myself everyday.
You could replace taxes with labour and it would be just as accurate, if not more. Please stay in your pol containment thread in the future.
I don't see how this is a political issue. Suicides are precisely discouraged because wizards can provide cheap labor.
Removing that source of cheap labor hurts owners of capital.
That is why the Foxconn plant installed anti-suicide nets and meshes under the factory windows.
Workers are a resource that generate you money when you own a lot of capital.
You don't want that resource to kill itself once it realizes how bad it has it in life.https://www.wsj.com/articles/BL-CJB-9896>Having built safety nets along its employee dormitories after a series of jumping suicides at its Shenzhen production plant, Taiwanese electronics manufacturing giant Hon Hai Precision Industry Co., which uses the trade name Foxconn, is now installing the same sort of nets at some of its inland factories, state media reported Tuesday.
>Foxconn already installed nets to prevent workers from jumping to their deaths at its Shenzhen factory buildings.
Earth is literally hell if you don't own capital and have to work for pennies to earn a living and heaven if you have access to large amounts of capital.
Those who are already in heaven don't want their little amusement park of a life to shut down.
They will discourage suicides even when the person is unknown to them.
My point is that this poster in particular is selective in who and what to blame because he has an agenda (state bad)
I don't know why you would single out one entity when there are others just as nefarious, such as the ones you provided an example of, and I feel this is an understatement.
Sorry for going off topic.
I'm vaguely reminded of the all the "NEETs" and "isolated" social programmes they used to have in the early 00s. I remember there being a drive to actually get isolated people to get engaged with society. There were telly programmes on the subject.
I even remember getting "NEET?" leaflets through my letter box.
Now it seems like they just want you to get back to work as fast as possible.
I've been thinking of getting on them.
My grandma takes an older TCA amitryptiline and I've stolen some pills to see how it works. I felt completely braindead at regular doses but after i took 1/4 of the pill it felt nice, was able to sleep better, enjoy things and concentrate again.
I think antidepressants are ok, it's that the doses being prescribed are just way too high and the side effects at that point outweight the positives.
>>256586>get isolated people to get engaged with society>get back to work as fast as possible
what's the difference?
Not him, but my guess is pretending that you care about their well being and want them to have gf, friends, hobbies etc and openly just wanting to use them for labour.
I'm assuming you're genuinely asking but back then it seemed to be trying to get you participating in the local community and projects with the main thing being the social aspect. There were a quite a few people dying alone with their bodies not being discovered till weeks or months later and shit like that and I guess they wanted to reduce that. No idea if any of it succeeded though cos I'm pretty sure those types of social programmes (and many others) had their funding cut.
My experience with medication is that its hard to get right but when you do it's so, so worth it.
As an example: I started out being put on a medication called 'oxazapam' for social anxiety. Oxazapam is a benzo and its weak enough that it didn't prevent my panic attacks in social situations. Benzos also have the draw back that they slowly stop working and give you rebound symptoms (all the initial symptoms you were hoping to treat but much worse.)
Other bad drugs I've been put on:
* Valium - feels amazing and it's so relaxing – but its a benzo and eventually put me into a subtle state of panic that lasted months
* Temazepam - helps you sleep for a short period but then you develop tolerance and it gives you rebound insomnia = not sustainable for treating insomnia
Then over time my condition(s) were better understood and I finally decided to get treatment. I was put on propanolol which immediately stopped my panic attacks without the nasty benzos. I got diagnosed with bipolar (and started on a mood stabilizer called valporate.) This made it much easier to think and also reduced my anxiety even more but I was still depressed and unmotivated.
After the valproate they tried Lexapro which didn't help me for depression. But then I was switched to Venlafaxine and my god… the first few months on this med it was like blissful happiness and complete satisfaction with life. I actually just spent my entire days in bed reading articles and not wanting to do anything else (NEET at the time.) I reasoned this was just a short term result of adjusting to the meds (and the effect went away.) But I was still left feeling happy I'd say like 99% of the time.
At this stage it was the best ever place for my mental health because my bipolar, depression, and panic attacks were all successfully treated – to the point where my symptoms were almost all gone (still feel uncomfortable in social situations and still get insomnia.)
The final mental-health issue I'm trying to address is my concentration problems. I've been fired from many jobs because of mental health reasons (concentration issues being one of them.) I was recently diagnosed with ADHD and I've slowly been exploring medications to treat my symptoms. Just like with the anti-depressants I had to switch a few times and slowly increase the dose to find therapeutic levels – but I think I've finally found a good dose for my Vyvanse which I'm happy about.
What I will say to wizards about meds:
1. They take time to work – unfortunately on the order of weeks to months.
2. You need to be patient to get the med and dosage right.
3. They can work profoundly well.
4. It can be hard to find doctors who know what meds to use. You will probably have to fight for your own treatment. Don't give up.
>>254666>the chemical imbalance they keep telling everyone is due to the shitty society we're forced to engage in and with
Did society bad shred our veins as well?https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4209412/> Vessel caliber may relate to mental disorders as cause, consequence, or both. Psychopathology was associated, in particular, with wider venules, which are thought to reflect, in part, damage to microvasculature associated with problems of oxygen supply to the brain
Or maybe it caused mutations in our genomes?https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/psychopathology-in-adults-with-copy-number-variants/70764398AA8DB9443F6993DAE9F81055>Copy number variants (CNVs) are variations in the number of copies of chromosomal regions produced by microdeletions and microduplications due to meiotic misalignment. It has already been established that certain larger (>100 kilobase) CNVs confer increased risk for neurodevelopmental disorders (NDDs)>Here, we report on the psychiatric consequences of carrier status for pathogenic CNVs. In particular, we had the opportunity to assess psychopathology in a relatively high-functioning sample>This cohort had a very high rate of psychopathology, with 85% of participants having a psychiatric diagnosis (Table 1). Amongst the axis 1 disorders, mood disorder (42%), anxiety (47%) and NDDs (48%) were most frequent. Rates of personality disorder were even higher (73%).
Misclick, I'll speak to my personal experiences and nothing more. Some people probably make claims and support stuff, but I'm too lazy for that.
Venlafaxine, ssri: wide pupils, everything feels "fine" but no happiness. Eventually made me suicidal. This is like prozac cranked to max
Prozac, ssri: venlafaxine-lite. Dick no work while on it and I'm having trouble off for 1.5months but it could be my fault. Again, I just felt fine. This is no way to live whatsoever in my opinion so I pulled off them.
Bupropion, ndri: took 25 days for them to work (I think) and I started doing small chores around my place. That's it though, no big side projects, no reading, no happiness from doing these tasks. I just see garbage and think "I'll throw that out, why not?"
Now: No fun = nothing getting done. I'm a wageslave so this is a big problem. I may start taking some… "secondary medication" bought form a "roadside doctor" to keep working and hopefully find enjoyment in hobbies.
Bit in a need of advice
was/ I am in state where I cant feel any joy + depression etc. so I went to therapist.
Got SSRIs, took them for an year and half but aside from feeling numb it had no other effect, after talking with therapist he refused to switch to other meds. so I just slowly waned off them and somehow functioned without them, still no joy and such but without absolute numbness.
Now can I somehow fix my problems without taking them, is there anyway for that or I need to take them longer for it to take effect?
I just want to feel joy again.
I have chronic illnesses that completely destroyed my quality of life, but I'm still expected to work like a normal person and my country is not gonna give two shits about my situation.
I'm clearly unhappy about this and I can see it's about to take a turn for even worse with my body breaking down further.
My family wants me to take medication (they are not professionals but I think they just want me to shut up and stop complaining about life).
If I start depression meds will I just become a numb zombie? I don't know if I want to be a doped out person in pain. I wish I could feel better from the health issues. My fear is the meds will give me even worse health problems in the long run and my family and etc are just trying to get me to take them so I shut up and they can kind of move on from me.
i hate the demiurge
>>257427>Got SSRIs, took them for an year and half but aside from feeling numb it had no other effect, after talking with therapist he refused to switch to other meds. so I just slowly waned off them and somehow functioned without them, still no joy and such but without absolute numbness.
I have no advice, but I am in a similar boat with SSRIs, I pulled off of them. As for the therapist shit, as far as I understand therapists can't prescribe meds only psychs can so I don't know where that is from. Change psychs and consider a non ssri antidepressant, they do exist. I'm on bupropion and it didn't fix my life, but I do function better on it.
They'll help you with about 20% of all your symptoms, without counting the new side effects.
Keep in mind this board is called 'dep.' Chances are very high that:
1. anti-depressants never worked for the people here
2. they had shit doctors who didn't prescribe them the right meds
3. they chose not to take meds for their own reasons
I think for these reasons you're only going to get negative and bias responses. For what its worth: if you're considering anti-depressants you should talk to your doctor and follow medical recommendations. Try to get good information on what you're taking. It can take a long time to get medication right but it's well worth it when you do.
source: am a walking grocery list of mental illness. I've tried many meds. I'd say its taken me about 2 years to get my meds right from the time I decided I'd fully commit to being treated even if it initially sucked. A lot of people aren't willing to do that.
I have bipolar, depression, panic attacks, insomnia, adhd, and I'm on the autism spectrum (yeah its a lot of issues, but virtually all my symptoms have gone away with treatment.) it may be easier for you all to get help if you don't have as many issues as me.
not an english speaker so I didnt know what word to use to describe profession which prescribed them, we call them different in my language, my mistake.
I started paxil few weeks ago for social anxiety, and it didn't do anything for me, well, it actually made me feel finally happy for a few days. But then I started smoking weed again and depression came back. FML
It takes more than a few weeks for SSRIs to start working. That's not to say Paxil is the right drug for you tho. Only way to know is to give it time.
Not to sound like some anti-weed fag, but anti-depressants usually doesn't go well in weed sadly, if you take it a lot with the anti-depressants, you won't see any benefits from it at all.
I'm already emotionally numb and cut off from my emotions so they never had an effect on me
I'm going to try psilocybin again. I've lost faith in therapy and mental health professionals. 8 years of going nowhere. When I tried psilocybin I had increased introspection during the high, everything felt more clear. The effects seemed to last for a week and I had the courage to actually go to a grocery store for once. Has anyone else had any luck with shrooms?
doing stuff that amplifies delusions, releases dopamine, and generally messes with your mind won't fix you. having found no solace in mental health treatment isn't unusual either. that entire field is filled with pseudoscientists. the gist i'm getting is that you just want to use drugs, and since you have entire subcultures enabling your decision, I just want to be here as someone that disagrees with your choice.
Well, the only reason I'm trying them is because I've heard a lot of success stories from people who never had luck with pills or therapy. I'm not some druggie. And there's more research showing that psychedelics can help with depression. I'm tired of being a depressed loser. I'm 30 now and things are just going to get worse as I get older, unless I try something now
I started taking them about every or every other week a few months ago. The only thing it helped with was overeating. Depression it didn’t do much for, and last week I gave up and started an SNRI. Still going to take them though. I like them.
They are looking into psilocybin for treating depression so I definitely don't think your idea is crackpot. People use the drug to also treat cluster headaches. I've used hallucinogens before and the experiences I've had on them are very fond memories.
Would be a comfy hobby to grow the shrooms yourself and then trip every so often to appreciate life more.
>try new antidepressant for OCD
>build up to the max dose
>works for a couple weeks
is Wellbutrin only way to ever feel happy again without taking hard drugs?
How do I push my psych that I want a certain drug I feel is safer? Or will they just think I’m a druggie
Not sure if I should quit amitripyline. Probably. No effect on mood at all (I've used it on and off for a year, but only daily for about the past 2 months at most). I never expected a mood boost anyway, I know the deal with these sugar pills however initially it was REALLY fucking good to sleep. Now, tolerance has already built in a relatively short time. It's fucked my sleep if anything by now. I sleep 14 hours and wake up at 5pm most days. Does that really matter? No I guess not but it is a little depressing. Amitripyline itself gives side effects like headaches, BAD dry mouth, I believe what happens is it knocks you out so much initially you don't notice them. But I've woken up a few times and felt diabetic. Not a fan of these pills. Insomnia is garbage too though.
Other side effects I forgot. Despite(because of?) sleeping so much I don't feel rested at all. My brain is cloudy as fug, constantly feeling dizzy and basically retarded. I don't drink alcohol, but somehow back when I did drink quite a lot I don't remember ever feeling this completely monged out.
More side effects from this. "Brain zaps" which in reality is a lot more disturbing than the almost cartoonish medical term implies. Like you feel electricity radiate throughout your body. And extremity numbness - my fingers are actually numb. Great… well I've committed to quitting this shit but I know quitting will mean I can't sleep at all, which leads to its own problems. Why is it always a rock and a hard place instead of a rock a hard place and a decent option. Always 2 extremes of bullshit and other bullshit. I quit fluoxetine last year cold turkey. No more trust in doctors.
is this true legit? should I use meds as steroids?>The acute diazepam administration caused a significant increase in plasma testosterone levels while no changes were observed in LH concentrations and testicular PBZD-R. These results further suggest a modulatory role of PBZD-R on testicular steroidogenic activity>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1650416/#:~:text=The%20acute%20diazepam%20administration%20caused,R%20on%20testicular%20steroidogenic%20activity.
Decapsulated testes from adult rats showed a significant increase in the basal and hCG-stimulated testosterone secretion >https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3027492/
>administration of TTN provoked a dose-dependent increase in testosterone secretionhttps://academic.oup.com/jcem/article/88/11/5521/2656834
I wouldn't fuck with T stuff until you're close to your mid 30s, there's way more health risks involved when you do it too early.