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 No.252910

Videogames are no longer fun, anime,books,porn,none of my old hobbies no longer give me my fix of dopamine.I watched one movie last year and that's it.What do you guys do when you get to this point?

 No.252911

LDAR

 No.252913

Dopamine detox

 No.252914

Lie down and stare at the ceiling for an hour.

 No.252917

>>252910
Usually things come and go in cycles for me. Sometimes though, the apathy is too much as you say; still I have a few suggestions though:
You can try to look for and discover a new interest.
If all of your interests are 'consumption' based, look into their creative counterparts (being good at them is absolutely not a requirement).
If you are living the kind of NEET lifestyle where you are not doing any kind of "work" or anything "productive", then your issue is an inevitability most of us have to deal with. We're not designed for this. Work and productivity could be any number of things (that you won't want to do initially) from gardening to cleaning to walking an hour to literally working part-time.
We don't want to hear it but, your diet does matter, your sleep pattern matters; how you treat your body and what goes into it matters so if you're living on crisps and soda and sleeping 4 hours at lunch then napping again around 3AM you will eternally run into this issue and it will only worsen.

In short, everything has a cost. You can't just endlessly consume and expect to feel endlessly good. You can't expect to smoke the same amount of meth every day and feel like you did last time.

 No.252924

Gain more awareness of your own psychology. Whether things give you joy or not is completely dependent on your particular perspective. Sometimes people get stuck in the "nothing matters" frame of mind (because it was useful at some point to escape emotional pain) and then they forget what life was like before that. Your current perspective is just one color setting on a display with millions of possible colors, all equally valid and accessible to you with a little self-awareness.

The trick to changing that perspective is just to imagine a different one, what would it feel like, what would it be like if I did care about things? Movies aren't enjoyable anymore, ok imagine what it would be like if you really cared and loved movies, what kind of perspective would that be? How would you feel and experience things if movies brought you joy?

It's sort of like, imagining you are a different person, in another person's body. You take away all your assumptions about yourself, your own life and circumstances, and you take up a different "frame" so to speak, just for a couple moments. If you can do that, even just for a second, you'll realize that your current "frame" is just one of the many possible ones and there's nothing stopping you from being in a different one. Once you experience real colors, why would you stay in grayscale? Whatever you were running away from that required you to take up that frame of mind, is no longer there, so it's safe to come back again.

 No.252934

>>252914
I can do that all day now.

 No.252945

There's nothing you can do. It's over.

 No.252949

>>252924
Is it really so easy if decades of conditioning sit in your skull?
Can you just tell yourself you enjoy a particular meal when you don't?

 No.252950

>>252949
Yeah, nah, that's obviously crap when taken too literally but I think it's an interesting idea what they're getting at. It's not so simple as they say, but I think it's a method we can use to at least fight against 'it', the 'darkness', the 'bad stuff'.
Just like what we put into our body matters, the thoughts we allow ourselves to mire in affect us deeply too. Of course the reason we have our issues is that such negative thinking is involuntary, but we that doesn't mean we have to invite it and soak in it either.
I think at least attempting to change our frame of mind, perspective on things–even if deep inside it feels futile–could lead to small positive gains.
It's like, if you are focused on something, you are more likely to subconsciously move towards it.
Well, anyhow, I don't really know exactly what that poster was getting at, but it's an idea.
I guess now is as good a time as any to start trying to chip away at those decades of conditioning. Maybe in a couple more decades you'll have successfully conditioned yourself in the other direction, ha.

 No.252961

>>252949
It becomes easier to do once you build up enough awareness and intuition for the mechanism. You can take up arbitrary frames of mind with a little imagination, especially things you've probably already experienced before (like your previous enjoyment of your hobbies). No matter how stuck you are in a particular frame, you can always call up another one, at least for a moment. Professional actors might or might not be aware of this particular mechanism, where they can call up a frame of mind that compels laughter or crying or anger, rather than consciously guiding their actions that often results in fake and unnatural acting. A good actor, if he needs to get angry, will intuitively enter a frame in which some grave injustice has been done to him by the target of his anger, then the angry behavior becomes compelling and natural. You've probably heard of method acting as well, where the actor actually spends months preparing for a role in order build enough experience and intuition for the kinds of mindsets and behavior required.

The first thing to understand is that these frames of mind are fundamentally instrumental in nature, they serve a purpose and you can get stuck in certain frames of mind if your current present situation calls for it. If taking up the particular frame of mind offers emotional stability, you will tend to stay there unless you find a better frame or you realize that it no longer serves its original purpose. A depressive frame which makes depressive symptoms compelling i.e. psychomotor retardation, demotivation, lack of pleasure and so on, can itself be useful to the person and the person might actively keep themselves in that frame, usually unconsciously (or even consciously with the LDAR philosophy).

Consider someone that's in a bad situation and they have to deal with all kinds of negative emotions like uncertainty, fear of failure, anxiety, being overwhelmed etc. A certain amount of people will end up in a depressive frame as a way of coping. Either they arrive at it intuitively or they learn it by observing other people, especially family members, like a mother that takes up the depressive frame every other week and lies in bed for days. Once you learn to take up that frame, you will tend towards stability and when your mind is faced with certain unmanageable emotions, you retreat into the safety and comfort of that frame even though it might bring its own undesirable features.

Seeing potential in things and having hope can be something undesirable, as potential can often bring about anxiety, a sense of uncertainty, feeling overwhelmed, creating the possibility of failure or embarrassment and so on. If you don't see any potential in things, then you won't feel any pleasure or look forward to anything, but you might be in a more psychologically stable state.

Another common "use" for depressive frames might be the attention you get or believe you will get if other people see you down in the dumps. This is usually more common with females due to how society often affords them lots of emotional support from a young age. A crying boy will probably be told to rub some dirt in it and go back out there, while a succubus is much more pampered. Gradually she learns quite implicitly that this frame of mind brings with it something rewarding and bouts of loneliness or other difficult emotions might act as a trigger for her to take up the frame and find some stability and comfort. A seemingly non-sensible behavior like self-harm makes perfect sense from that frame of mind, the more I suffer the more people will care (this is not a conscious thought or calculated thing usually, but just a feeling or sense of anticipation that can be pleasurable by itself).

To summarize, shifting from one frame to another is firstly, a matter of self-awareness, running into this mechanism and becoming acquittanced with it from first-hand experience, actually observing the lines between frames and the shifts that happen. Secondly, some amount of knowledge (previous experience) and/or intuition is required for the new frame in order to be able to grasp it. Thirdly, it requires that the new frame be a stable and fundamentally useful one to you, otherwise you revert back into something more stable. An actor goes back to being himself after the camera stops recording, a depressive person momentarily finds himself looking forward to something only to be reminded of some emotional pain and he retreats back into grayscale land where things are stable. A lot of wizzies have these bouts of "I can do it!" until they eventually retreat back into the "woe is me" – building awareness of this is the best way to deal with it. During my own dealings with depression, at some point I could notice myself going into those frames of mind and noticing is half the battle. These days, I can still enter a depressive frame but nothing holds me there and illusory comfort of that frame doesn't last long for me and I quickly go back to something neutral.

"Decades of conditioning" doesn't matter, a frame you've inhabited for years can be shifted in a moment and you will be able to stay there as long as the new frame is something you actually want to take up and doesn't just invite emotional pain or instability. If you can understand how a depressive frame can be fundamentally useful and comforting (despite its negative features), you can start to observe what exactly keeps you there, how exactly does it afford you stability or how it might compare to the new frame you want to inhabit.

>Can you just tell yourself you enjoy a particular meal when you don't?


As long as the food is palatable and not overwhelmingly disgusting, you can probably take up a frame of mind that finds it enjoyable. What "enjoyable" means depends on the exact frame as the pleasure is contained in an anticipation of a reward, rather then direct sensual experience. The example of self-harm above, is that it's sensually painful, yet emotionally pleasurable. Other inherently painful things can also be enjoyed, like weight lifting or manual labor, as long as it's done with a certain frame of mind which anticipates a reward from it. The majority of things people enjoy are things they learned through experience are rewarding and don't directly provide any kind of sensual pleasure i.e. enjoying reading has nothing to do with enjoying how your eyes move back and forth and holding the book itself (those might actually detract from the pleasure), but rather an anticipation of reward that could be described as curiosity or what the content of the book might afford you or what reading the book means about you etc.

 No.252976

>>252961
>just be happy
I hope you and your circuitous walls of text continue to multiply and drown out any and all depressive talk on this website. Then, with no outlet for our grief, we may finally all kill ourselves–or do something useful.

 No.252980

ECT

 No.252985

>>252976
>>just be happy

That's not a very good summary of what I wrote. Perhaps it's "circuitous" because you didn't understand it? I never mentioned happiness, merely how depressive symptoms are compelling inside of a depressive frame of mind and make perfect sense to the person within it, then explained how the frame is kept in place because it affords emotional stability despite all the "depressive talk" that says otherwise. If you happen to read one of the longer depressive musings on this website, the general impression is not one of suffering but of a sickly enjoyment. If the idea of "nothing matters" and "everything is shit" were so painful to these people, would they feel the need to endlessly remind themselves of it and express it in ever more creative ways? More and more, the depressive seems like a man humming a song to himself, supposedly one that he doesn't like very much.

Admittedly, the actual shift mechanism isn't explained terribly well because it's an intuitive process and goes beyond the reach of verbal instruction, but even children can understand how to imagine without anyone needing to describe an exact step by step guide for them. The major theme of what I write about is taking control of unconscious or rather implicit processes and ceasing to be a puppet of your circumstances by building awareness and self-understanding. If you expect things to get better on their own, they most certainly can, but then you are simply a leaf at the mercy of the wind (or even the weather itself, if conditions like "seasonal depression" were to be taken seriously).

 No.253040

>>252976
As someone who's in what feels like a similar situation, I think I can understand where you're coming from and what you're feeling at the moment. Sometimes it seems like each day is worse than the last, like there's no hope for improvement ect ect. But.. during the brief times I'm able to think clearly (which is very hard in this emotional storm of a god awful life I live) I do think to myself that maybe there's only a lack of hope and possibility for a half way decent future, because I've stubbornly refuse to change the course of life I'm on. I often get the urge to kill myself, because there doesn't appear to be any reason not to with the way things are now, but in those windows of clarity I think, if I'm going to kill myself anyway, maybe it wouldn't hurt to at least 'try' something else. I think you could too anon. Think of it this way; if you're going to die anyway, then what's the worst than can happen if you do something which puts your life in danger? Worst case scenario, you reach the same end result. Best case or even average outcome would result in a change to your life for the better. Seems a bit like common sense to at least try, but I can totally 100% understand not being able to see things that way when your vision is clouded by negative emotions. It might help a lot of try and take a bit of a vacation/break from your normal life for a few days, so something completely different that would clear your mind, and think things over. The reality is we all have options and different paths we can choose to take, and sure they might not be perfect, but if the path you're on is a dead end road, then what's the harm in changing directions?



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