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 No.256818

I’ve felt disconnected from this world for the longest time now, thinking we were just living in this life for nothing and then that’s it, however I had a friend who was Christian and stressed that suicide was a coward action because god will see how pathetic you were on ur judgment day. Now I’m afraid to die, or do drugs because of this underlying fear that what if something bigger is up there. I’m not religious but he said we all have a chance at heaven if we try right now and I just don’t know what to believe at this point.

 No.256823

>>256818
damn you got a long road ahead of you my wiz

 No.256993

got btfo by japanese people on a japanese elden ring stream. I think this is the last time I care about the japanese culture

 No.256994

The idea of God and Christianity makes me even more depressed than I already am.

I don't want to think about that bullshit because it's all fear tactics meant to scare the already terrified people of the world.

Creating fear does not relieve fear, only creates more.

It's all terrible bullshit. I don't know how people think religion is some sort of cope. It's just terrible superstition and fear.

 No.256996

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>>256994
>it's all fear tactics meant to scare the already terrified people of the world.
Usually they are unafraid and morally righteous in their faith, because central to their thinking is the people in power over them will be punished after they die. The fear comes from being a prey animal in this world, so they make themselves predators in another world.

If you're a snake on the ground and you're predated by hawks from the air, you would naturally come to the conclusion that hawks are evil. If the hawks are evil then you must be good, and being snake-like (meek, slithery, grounded) is good. The hawks are only part of the snake-god's plan and will be punished forever in hawk-hell after they die. Justice has to come after death, because there's no justice in this life if you're a good snake. Why is there no justice? When the snake-god made the world it was good for snakes, but the hawks caused the entire cosmos to fall because they (being evil) rebelled against the snake-god and even tricked the first snakes. Are you surprised the hawks are the father of all lies and deception as well? You just can't trust a hawk. From the perspective of a hawk it makes no difference what the snakes think. A snake is still tasty, even if the snake thinks it's on the right side of a universe-spanning moral struggle as you swoop down and snatch it.

 No.256997

i'm not worried about the judgement day, if it even exists, because it wouldn't be just. there are a million different religions each with their own ethics and concept of an afterlife. none of have a necessary connection to god. because how can you observe something who exists outside of observation? how can you experience something that exists outside of experience? it is debatable whether god or an afterlife even exists at all. if there was a judgement day, it would be completely arbitrary, because how are we to know what laws to follow?

who knows. it could be that the righteous will be damned and the degenerates will be rewarded. you cant even tell what to do. so im not gonna live in fear of an omnipotent unknown, because anything i do could possibly be used against me. knowing what is right to god is not something that i have any control over.

 No.256999

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The idea of hell itself makes me sick to my stomach.

I wouldn't want anyone to go there, even if they were the worst person ever. Disgusting religion.

How is this supposed to make me feel better?

 No.257002

>>256999
>I wouldn't want anyone to go there, even if they were the worst person ever. Disgusting religion.

Disgusting hypocrite. Are you done playing the enlightened humanistic good virtous man already?

>>256997
Maybe God can be experienced. Maybe God exists between the borders of observation.
Gnostic Jesus said, (not quoting it correctly) cut open the wood and I'm there. Maybe you can't escape God. Just some food for thought.

 No.257005

>>257002
Sad little normie can't empathize with other living beings, so he thinks if he gets into heaven, then everything would be fine, as those beings stuck in hell being tortured for eternity is justified.

That is beyond sadistic and cruel. That is just EVIL.

That is how I know you're a normalfag because you have so little empathy towards other living things, that you think hell is all fine and dandy and that some living beings deserve to go there.

 No.257009

>>257005
It is sad or whatever but every human has the ability to choose good or bad.They choose the path of endless suffering upon themselves but causing harm and deceiving others. god gives everyone many opportunities to redeem themselves by asking for forgiveness and repenting, However, those evil individuals continue to harm and turn their backs towards god so inevitably they must be punished for what they have caused.

 No.257010

>>256999
So you think it’s unfair if a child molester goes to hell for eternity?? Someone who preys on the young, acting out their pleasures deserves a SECOND CHANCE?

 No.257013

>>257010
>So you think it’s unfair if a child molester goes to hell for eternity??
yes, if you molest a child, you should be turned into a child and molested, not tortured for the rest of time. or instead god could explain to you exactly why youre wrong and help you to understand, rather than just the punishment part.

 No.257014

>>257013
They shouldn’t get the chance to redeem themselves and learn though. They need to bare the consequences of their actions no matter what because the pain they caused the child cannot be reversed.

 No.257015

>>257013
>if you molest a child, you should be turned into a child and molested
That's every child molesters dream though. Instead the peadophile should be forced to spend her eternity among children who she wishes to molest, but she should be stripped of the hands, tongue, and boobs needed to molest them.

 No.257016

>>257015
That’s what hell is though, place where you pay for what you have caused. Justice is served in the afterlife!!

 No.257022

>>257014
>They need to bare the consequences of their actions no matter what because the pain they caused the child cannot be reversed
yes, so they can be receive a punishment equivalent to what they did. what youre suggesting would be like executing someone for not paying a parking ticket.

>They shouldn’t get the chance to redeem themselves and learn though

so do you think everyone whos ever done anything wrong should go to hell for eternity and not know why they went there or are you just autistically fixated on child molesters?

>>257015
>That's every child molesters dream though
okay it might be but the point is its supposed to be an equivalent punishment. if someone takes 5 dollars from you do you kill them and take their house and bank account? no, you take 5 dollars back from them because thats whats rightfully yours, if you take anymore then you are stealing and you are in the wrong.

 No.257023

>>257013
you dont know anything about pedophiles whatsoever. it's very fucking rudimentary information that all of them live in a delusional fantasy land where they think 5 year olds are thirsting for sexual encounters, but denied them by society. it's like the other poster said, being turned into a molested child would be their ultimate fantasy realized.
their rhetoric is a lot like other LGBT groups. "kids want to have sex, but can't because evil republicans are denying it to them."

 No.257027

>>257022
No you don’t execute someone because they didn’t pay their parking ticket, it depends upon the severity of your crime. Hell is an idea, we don’t actually know what it’s like, however people who don’t pay their parking tickets choose to do so maybe to cheat the system are still doing something wrong and deceiving others. Lying is a sin and god accounts for everything you do. He will serve justice upon the people who choose to do bad. Now if the person continues to sin and doesn’t repent then they are moving farther away from gods protection, reaching a point where he cannot help them any longer. A person who doesn’t pay their parking ticket will be punished to the lengths of their crime although minor. But if someone sexually offends against a child then the punishment will be worse, and result in hell.

 No.257028

>>257015
Not everyone can be fixed. Giving someone a second chance by teaching them about their crime is essentially letting them off easy. They will most likely re-offend and believe that children are toys for them to play with. Doesn’t help the fact they also face no repercussions, just a little therapy and we good. Like what?

 No.257031

>>257027
>But if someone sexually offends against a child then the punishment will be worse, and result in hell
so do you think someone deserves an infinite punishment for a finite crime or are you just saying thats what god is going to do? i think the discussion was originally about what should be done to child molesters, not what actually happens to them.

>>257023
>you dont know anything about pedophiles whatsoever
does that really impede you from understanding my post that much?

 No.257032

>>257031
>so do you think someone deserves an infinite punishment for a finite crime or are you just saying thats what god is going to do?

Not a Christian, but do you (or the law) punish someone according to the time it took to commit the crime? I.E. Murder, it can be very swift.
However personally, I think the infinite punishment is only a result of multitude of crimes, including major ones such as disbelieving in God, which any theist would consider the most injustice out of all crimes.

 No.257034

>>257031
>finite crime
Proved you're a pedo sympathizer. Child abuse is felt by the child through his entire life, and equally in to the afterlife. That's not finite. You're now downplaying the trauma of rape to make the argument that child predators shouldn't be sent to hell.

 No.257043

>>257034
>Child abuse is felt by the child through his entire life, and equally in to the afterlife.

What kind of afterlife is this?

 No.257052

>>257010
>>257013
>>257014
>>257015
It's pretty funny these discussions always resolve to questions about child molestation, because it's one of the few crimes left that anyone feels any moral certainty about.

If we looked at the population of hell over time, we could tell when our era began and ended from the proportion of child molesters committed to hell.

 No.257054

There could just as likely be a god that thinks you're a coward that cant think for himself because you're *not* killing yourself or doing drugs

 No.257055

Self-righteous violent beasts looking for their justification to wish and inflict torture on others. The most delightful moral treat. I feel ill whenever I see these morons mistaking law for morality. They have no universal principle. They are entirely self-biased.

 No.257062

>bleeding-heart liberal enlightened humanist whining about hell being way too severe punishment
>yet another bleeding-heart liberal enlightened humanist shows up and wants to justify hell because of the evil pedos

God, this thread really went into the dumpster quickly.
I'm quite amazed that people here, on this site for male virgins, would come with the cruel child molesters argument. None of us here will have children so why care about them? It is normal propaganda, like "our precious womyn". Succubi and children should be treated like cattle, this has been the norm for centuries and is still the norm in cultured parts of the world. Marrying children was part of everyday life until this whole liberal equality thing was forced down people's throats. Pedos get demonized by society nowadays because normals need people as scapegoats so they can unite and fight against them. Same case with us male virgins, really.

Now as for actual wrongdoers, why woult it be bad to send them to eternal torture??? Like sending Stalin and Hitler to hellfire, what is wrong with it? Or do you just want some liberal politically correct heaven where the psychopath criminal and his victims all sit around playing bingo and holding each other's hands? While waiting for the tranny, gay, mexican Buddha/Jesus to descend and pat those who killed thousands for fun on the back?

Forgiving those who hurt you or others isn't a sign of virtue, it is a weakness and stupidity, and irresponsibility most of all. Feeling empathy isn't always a noble virtue.

 No.257071

>>257062
gays burn in hell

 No.257150

>>256997
to expand on this, christians hold that there are millions of good people rotting in hell right now because they lived before jesus and didn't have the opportunity to believe in him. they are the prisoners of their faith. how just is that?

 No.257151

>>257032
>Not a Christian
same

>do you (or the law) punish someone according to the time it took to commit the crime?

is that what you think i said? because that sounds retarded. i also think youre misunderstanding me, there is no "punishment" for a crime, you just right your wrongs and thats it. the thief gives back what he took, you dont also get to slap the thief because that would be wrong.

>I think the infinite punishment is only a result of multitude of crimes

how could a finite sum of finite crimes result in an infinite punishment?

>>257034
>Child abuse is felt by the child through his entire life, and equally in to the afterlife
unfortunately, hurting someones feelings is not a crime. i could be butthurt for the rest of time because someone called me a mean name, it still wouldnt make it a crime. how you feel is your responsibility and it definitely is possible to get over being raped as a child.

>>257062
>Like sending Stalin and Hitler to hellfire, what is wrong with it?
neither stalin nor hitler killed anyone in their lifetimes. maybe they did do something wrong but from what we know theyre perfectly fine guys.

 No.257155

>>257151
>is that what you think i said?
No, That which I gave was an example, because the Law or government are an Authority who dispatch punishment and dictate the severity of crimes. You're missing the point regardless.

>thief gives back what he took

Are you sure you are grounded in reality? Because unless you're talking about a petty thief, chances are they won't "give back" what "they took". A murderer cannot bring back his victims back to life, and sure as hell politicians and other corrupt elite would not give back whatever they took.

>how could a finite sum of finite crimes result in an infinite punishment?

For one second forget the other "finite" sum of crimes, and lets focus on the main reason for an infinite punishment, Which is rejection of God. It is simple, By rejecting God you reject an infinite sum of GIFTS and blessings that you simply cannot payback. (Creating you from nothingness, amongst feelings and consciousness, both negative and positive.)
So the most reasonable course of action is an infinite punishment for the most severe, infinite crime out there.

 No.257161

>>257155
>because the Law or government are an Authority who dispatch punishment and dictate the severity of crimes. You're missing the point regardless.
yeah, i am missing the point. i cant see how the government is relevant to this discussion.

>unless you're talking about a petty thief, chances are they won't "give back" what "they took"

so then you come up with something else equivalent to whats owed that they can pay in instead of waiting for them to figure out how to raise the dead.

>lets focus on the main reason for an infinite punishment, Which is rejection of God

by the time you get to hell you would surely believe in god, so it wouldnt make sense to punish someone for more than 2 seconds for not believing in god.

>By rejecting God you reject an infinite sum of GIFTS and blessings that you simply cannot payback. (Creating you from nothingness, amongst feelings and consciousness, both negative and positive.)

why would you payback something you rejected? and how can you reject something you already have, like life? if you really could reject that then you would just be nothingness and god couldnt punish you even if he wanted. i dont even see why were discussing this if neither of us are christians, do you have any reason to believe hell exists?

 No.257185

>>257151
>neither stalin nor hitler killed anyone in their lifetimes. maybe they did do something wrong but from what we know theyre perfectly fine guys.
How very contrarian of you.

 No.257392

>>257151
>comparing child abuse to online forums
fuck you.

 No.259958

Lmao OP is out here struggling with his shit hoping someone will relate, meanwhile this thread is just chaotic

 No.261651

>>257013
What if every child molested used to be a child molester?



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