I kinda don't care
I don't know why it's so unconceivable that people can be functional in certain areas, but make zero progress for decades in another. If you don't actively look for it and work towards it, you're not going to get laid (at least if you're a dude). Schooling and employment is a lot more streamlined where people can just go with the flow and end up with a degree or stumble their way into a comfy office job. I haven't seen any really "successful" wizzies whose position in life was the result of some mastermind social engineering, they just happen to stumble their way into a career or spent a lot of time on the computer and found themselves competent at programming.
I mean I'm the loser at work. Barely competent, people generally stay away from me, I don't have the self-esteem required to take on bigger tasks, I don't have the social skills to run meetings or teams properly. So my career is stagnant and I would be at the top of the list for people that would be fired or let go in a re-org. I also have tardiness issues and complete apathy towards work and life in general because of depression. I've already been to the psych ward twice during my career and thankfully still had a job after. I try to put on some kind of charade to appear as normal as I can be, but it's pretty obvious I'm abnormal to all of the normal people at work. I can't relate to their talk about wives, houses, kids, etc. as a 30 year old virgin who does nothing but goes to work and then stays on his computer 24/7. So I guess us "high functioning" wizards exist, but I would say I'm barely functioning at all.
due to christianity and self-improvement being allowed on this site, there will come a time very shortly where it's all that is ever discussed and we're already nearing it. soon wizchan will be exclusively successful wizards.
they already derail every thread on /dep/ with their joe rogan tier advice. soon the guys making those threads will stop bothering coming here anymore since all it amounts to is being browbeaten by normalfaggots who are allowed to be here for some reason.
I am a neet loser on welfare but I don't really care, what is the point of this race to the bottom mentality? This place has always been a mixed bag, the least I can hope for is that we're all voluntary virgins
the point of being a wizard isn't to show off how not having sex ruins your life. Its the opposite.
not having sex is supposed to make you a better, superior person.
volcels even know more about healthy relationships than normies do, that is why Catholic Priests act as marriage counselors despite being virgins
When OP talks about "High funcyioning wizards" he's not talking about people like you, he's talking about wizards with high paying positions/jobs, "marine" wizards, chad wizzies etc, basically people that is a chad in every single except in getting laid.
There are people like that in this site.
The truth is out there, but the grand wizards are hoarding it.
I can't relate to people who hold down jobs. To me if you can hold down a job you're normal. too normal for me at least
You're a fake wizard because you spend time in places to learn that lingo.
Praising "loserdom", crabness and dysfunction is not healthy and just makes repulsive communities.
To be a wizard you should see through the hierarchy altogether rather than keep crying about it, that's for teenagers
instead of having a crab mentality trying to drag all virgins down, we should praise our best virgins and see them as our chosen best ambassadors to the normie world to show the greatness virgins are capable of. even if we aren't the best, we should celebrate them as our best
Ask the mods their opinions, go straight to the top wizdogs and ask them.
But they're still normalfags, though. There's nothing commendable about being successful in normalfag terms. The point isn't to succeed within the normalfag system, but to become independent from it.
the mods are too busy hanging out in secret discord and steam cliques to address concerns about this site.
Being considered a success by normalfags doesn't make you a normalfag.
I think there is value in just dropping out and going full hikki hermit. But normies think if you "fail" at sex, you fail at everything. So it is good for us to have wizchads who are stunning successes in everything but sex
we've had teachers, a dentist and at least one poster in med school. this is ridiculous. don't pretend you were somehow railroaded into these positions like a child has to suffer through compulsory education.
if it quacks like a duck…
I don't see how having the social ability to get a job has anything to do with my virgin status. Granted the longest I've ever held down a job was 3 years with second longest being 8 months. I went through college barely speaking to anyone ever.
I'm also 32 so I'm not sure why I should care what some wizkid from crabs.is thinks
This seems to be something of a recent phenomenon in the past few years. Wizkid is right. The only parameter for being a Wizard is being a virgin and having no interest in sex or relationships. You'd think a Wizzie becoming a doctor would be something to celebrate but now these Gen Z crabs are coming in calling them fakes? And if you're older and have this same mentality then you should really know better. It reeks of ignorance, let alone believing that such a profession would even have the time to go out and party and socialise let alone thinking it's some kind of requirement.
OP, you are right. But I wouldn't define it as "successful" wizards because success is relative and it means different things for everyone.
In my eyes if you can>drive>work or hold a job for more than a few days or EVEN get a job in the first place>get your hands on drugs>do fine in higher education like uni or college
then yes, you are suspicious to me.
Because for me it was even hard to get by in high school, because I hated being around others so much. I think OP has a good point, never trusted these wizards with so much survival skills.
There is a world between you people and me.>>257620>>257640
So I'm not the only who is "paranoid", good to see. Sometimes I feel like I'm on 4chan or reddit…
Are you implying that teacher is a high-paying job?
I'm more suspicious of these guys who are basically saying that if they had a job and a car then they would be out there having sex and would have never been wizards.
Having sex is actually really fucking easy and on those fetish sites like fetlife there's a bunch of ugly succubi that will fuck almost anything. How does anyone have a problem with getting sex?
I should add that this doesn't mean I'm a sex haver, I'm not. It's just that sex itself isn't hard to get if you're willing to debase yourself for it. I'm not, but it's right there and easy.
A hooker is always available but most people are looking for emotional intimacy more often than not, right?
it's a social job. i am not talking about wages here.
>>257650>doctor>believing that such a profession would even have the time to go out and party and socialise let alone thinking it's some kind of requirement.
man you're fucking delusional. it literally is in most fields. a huge part of higher education is getting to build connections. as for medical students specifically they are infamous for being the most degenerate of them all.
>no interest in chans
>>257678>as for medical students specifically they are infamous for being the most degenerate of them all.
In my country, there are often sex scandals regarding the medical school.
Apparently, their parties are full of alcohol drug & sex.
Aye, that's wizardly. We must do as this fellow here says >>257650
and celebrate these partying, networking, drug-addled pseudo-normalfags as the best Wizchan has to offer.
Jesus why are these positions, that are supposed to be filled with higher-tier hardworkers who go above primal instincts, so retarded and sexually deviant. I am not any better but I thought doctors and what not would be way better than me, not the same or worse
Same,I can’t imagine myself as working and I’m 29
You are gatekeeping being a crab, not being a wizard.
This website will go down, it will turn into The socialized people's forum, forget about the wizardly stuff, website owners may be or may not be thinking about these issues.
There certainly is levels to it but i see what you mean they stretch it so far to be a part of it which takes away from the people truly struggling.
Did you go to college? University? School? Aren't all students renowned for going to parties, drinking, fucking endlessly and being degenerates? So why didn't you, or any other poster do that? After all we're painting everyone with the same brush here.
i've gone for a week lol. couldn't take it and been a neet ever since. high school was as much as i could stomach, and i barely made it without dropping out.
>Aren't all students renowned for going to parties, drinking, fucking endlessly and being degenerates?
it doesn't matter whether or not they have done any of this, the point is you cannot thrive there without being social in a very broad sense. sometimes it is required to work with other students in ways that go far beyond what is expected of you in school
it already has, it's all smoke and mirrors now just like when cyborgs overtook robots on r9k
Nobody is saying things like that. But it makes me extremely curious how some people here can function so well in life.
How do you even get the motivation to study on after high school? Or to work (that is, if you don't need to)? You are around normals all day and you need to tolerate their shit. The question is HOW??>>257697
It doesn't matter who you are as long as you can do well on tests or you can do your work fine. I know it is horrible but it is the truth. Policemen, paramedics, administrative workers, doctors, nurses…god, I do hate their smug faces so much. These are usually the biggest degenerates in existence, sadly.
We got an influx from 4chadders, thats why
>>257759>Or to work (that is, if you don't need to)? You are around normals all day and you need to tolerate their shit. The question is HOW??
Because my stomach doesn't run on mana.
>don't mind normals
this site is a joke now, you would willingly kill off other wizards here if it meant being spared by normals
Vanilla ice cream desperately wanting to be special apart from the rest of your vanilla friends. In the past you would have stick to the cape shit to be the lol i'm so nerdy guy of the crowd. but that doesn't work any more in modern time because geek shit is pop culture now. So people like this have to come to places like this and try to adopt some new form of outcast badge so you can tell yourself you have a special identity.
You are the same guy i replied to in that /dep/ thread.
Go enjoy the company of your normals and leave us be.
>>257759>How do you even get the motivation to study on after high school? Or to work (that is, if you don't need to)? You are around normals all day and you need to tolerate their shit. The question is HOW??
My mother has worked probably 3 years total in her life. My childhood was spent living off of government handouts, child support, boyfriends, and "boyfriends." When I became an adult this was no longer sustainable so off to the warehouses and factories I went.
By the way you guys think bland NEETdom is suicide inducing, you don't know wanting to die until you're pulling 50 hour weeks surrounded by bottom tier normalfags in a loud hot environment performing the same task over and over and over.
That's why I ultimately moved in with my grandmother and attended college. No one talked to me in college, no one invited me to these crazy parties you're talking about, I just went there did what I had to do and went home. It was way easier socially than highschool was because basically no one gives a shit about you anymore.
With a degree you can get much less stressful employment. So long as you aren't having a mental outburst they will leave you be once they realize you aren't the interesting fun normalfag type (so long as you do good work and have a male boss). I recommend finding something that gets you your own office, it makes life so much easier when you can just sit alone and chug away at your work in silence. You also get paid more.
I guess it's kind of stupid for me to talk about this since I haven't worked in over a year and have strongly been leaning more towards suicide than bothering to get another job just to slave away forever living off of my coping methods but I understand how wizards can be independent or even financially successful.
Have to admit when I see a "wizard" talking about his lucrative job I get a little upset because I'm non-functional and retarded, incapable, etc. Of course if I say anything I just get the bootstrap spiel which makes me feel like I'm talking to my fucking dad.
going to college means intellectual maturity. going to a job means a license, social skills, and motivation. you're way ahead of me man
The thing is university is actually easier than a full time wagie menial job, and I'm tired of pretending its not. I don't know how normalfags can be "proud' of achieving a degree when the standards have slipped so much they're barely putting the effort in to get them.
Almost nobody studies for 40 hours a week but every full time worker does 40 hours worth of work a week, doesn't that tell you everything?
Virginity manifests many different ways of thinking, feeling, and acting, and isn't by itself enough to constitute wizardry. Most crabs and many failed normalfags, despite being virgins, are still normalfags at heart and greatly desire to be a good normalfag.
There are extremely successful normalfags who have for some normalfag reason decided to stay celibate. For example, the semen retainers who believe that semen is the essence of their energy and therefore should never be wasted except to spawn life (if you read their forums you'll see many of them engage with succs sexual acts that do not involve ejaculating), or highly disciplined and devout religios believers (a minority of these may actually be wizards). These people are not wizards and would look down on wizards. Their ways of thinking, feeling, and acting are normalfag ones, i.e., they are
normalfags. I think many of the people that here would be considered successful "wizards", are in fact successful normalfags who for whatever reason have remained virgins.
You may admire many things about, e.g., Kant, but he was an extremely extroverted, outgoing, and social person whose psyche was well embedded within normalfag culture and who'd see wizards as abominations (he also saw masturbation as immoral, which some wizards like me use as a tool of wizardry, e.g., in the context of waifus).
There are also "successful" wizards, but we have to be clear on what "successful" here means. Successful according to whom? Normalfags? There are such wizards and they shouldn't be brought down. To me the person who best exemplifies wizardry is Lovecraft. Embarrassingly, he had his magic stolen by some jew four years after becoming a full-fledged wizard, but after that episode (and even during it, in a way) he led the most wizardly life.
There is no excuse for wizards to remain stuck with classic normalfag conceptions of success instead of exploring their own, even if to all normalfags they may still look like worthless schizo failures. If anything should mean failure to a wizard is not having moved beyond normalfaggotry.
Good last line. I think most people are tied down by those definitions of success because of what was imbued to them when they were younger by their parents, teachers, classmates, etc. Now is the time to try and break free of that and live your life according to your standards.
Thanks for dispensing your wisdom wizard, this should be enough to set the bar that separates normal people from wizards.
This is spot on. I could never put this into my own words before. This is also exactly what happened to halfchan and we can all see how that turned out
ok no i could overlook being competent at socializing but if you actually enjoy the company of normals you're not a wizard.
Which part of the "that is, if you don't need to" you failed to grasp?>>257777
I know how shit wageslaving is, even though I never did it because I saw its effects on others. That is why I avoid it like plague.
I don't find NEETdom to be bland or suicide inducing at all, I wanted to die exactly when I had to go to school.>>257786>There is no excuse for wizards to remain stuck with classic normalfag conceptions of success instead of exploring their own, even if to all normalfags they may still look like worthless schizo failures. If anything should mean failure to a wizard is not having moved beyond normalfaggotry.
This is the truth.
>You may admire many things about, e.g., Kant, but he was an extremely extroverted, outgoing, and social person whose psyche was well embedded within normalfag culture and who'd see wizards as abominations (he also saw masturbation as immoral, which some wizards like me use as a tool of wizardry, e.g., in the context of waifus).
Instead of admiring any intellectual or philosopher (who would most likely look down at us in contempt) we should make up our own personal philosophies, been saying this for a while.
I am sure Schopenhauer and Nietzsche would look down on us too, for different reasons. Same for religious thinkers, same for commies, same for alt-right figures, same for literally anyone. Being a wizard sets us worlds apart from 99.99% of people who ever existed.
Even buddhist people?, ermits?, and people who do some practice that i can't remember the name, where they went to retreat to a tower to never again go out of it?, this one has a wikipedia name, that's what i can remember.
Dead wrong there.
Studying doesn't come easy to some, even if u have no mental issues, you might have the sort of brain that just dislikes and filters menial shit, which is what ur supposed to study at uni.
Doing minwage, aside from something like cashier and mcdonalds jobs is pretty easy unless ur prone to having mental health issues.
If i wasn't so mentally ill i might even tolerate jobs.
Wizchan isn't even a proper community to care about who is a real wizard or not. Get a life.
Yes, buddhists too. They have a typical normalfag morality about sexuality, it is okay if you produce children or rather it is okay if you do it with your wife/husband but otherwise no-no. So if you are a wiz who enjoys masturbation then you will be looked down.
Hermits? Depends on what kind. Religious hermits would look at us with contempt, I'm sure, no matter what religion we are speaking about.
Most "hermits" during history were just temporary hermits and they did it usually because they were forced to do it or because of religion.
Yeah that one thanks wizard.>>257905
What is a wizard?
Those normals who tag themselves as wizards because they are virgins, they walk among wizards, but they are not one of them.
Honestly, threads like this are just retarded because they attempt to reduce entire people to some collection of undesirable traits without taking into account individuals circumstances. Overall, this just leads to sloppy thinking, and sad, ridiculous witch hunts.
If someone was extremely autistic like 'Rainman' and they were able to become a millionaire by trading stocks because of how mathematically perfect their brain was at seeing patterns the faggot OP would probably call them a 'normie.' Yet this same person wouldn't even be able to go outside without spazzing out from the high noise levels. In their day to day life they would require a full time carer. They're never getting laid unless someone rapes them.
35 year old wizzie has never worked before due to mental health issues. In 2012 he bought some Bitcoins and sat on them for 7 years. The next time he checked the price they were worth 15k USD and he was rich. Is wizzie a normalfag? Note that he could never get a job. Not even McDonalds would want to hire him with no work history and he likely couldn't work anyway.
Autistic wizzie has always been interested in computers. At 15 years old he started to learn how to code, staying up late into the night reading books and drinking coffee. In his early 20s wizzie developed severe social phobia and was started on benzos. The medication was noneffective and wizzie subsequently developed panic attacks in crowds. Being crippled by anxiety, wizzie stayed inside even longer working on his computers.
By the time he was 25 he had amassed immense experience in programming. It was around this time that his mental health deteriorated and he was subsequently diagnosed with bipolar and started on mood stabilizers. One day wizzie was working on a project when an employer reached out and said they were working on similar problems and invited him to join the company.
Despite never setting foot in a class room, university, or job site, wizzie gets a 6 figure tech job. His list of mental problems continues to grow, he struggles at work with concentration problems, and his kike doctor puts him on adderal. Wizzie now has been diagnosed with a collection of mental problems any of which individually would drastically lower his chances of employment. But collectively, being employed with all of these mental problems would be like winning the lottery.
Despite never going outside, never talking to peers, never working a normal job, wizzie ends up moving out and living by himself. Wizzie is on so much medication that people shoot him sympathetic looks (he must be really sick) whenever he fills his medication. But they work so well for him and let him live a normal life that he doesn't care.
Is wizzie a normalfag for having a 6 figure job? Keep in mind that without tech skills wizzie would be unemployable and there are no jobs outside that he could work that wouldn't give him panic attacks. The fact that he can work in tech was shear luck.
No, dear wizard. I think op means more like, functional people who also happened to never had sex for one or other reason.
They say they are wizards because they never got the sex, either willingly or unwillingly.
I think we need a more strict definition of wizardhood, a lot of normal people don't have sex these days because succubi are fucking horrible and they wont sleep with anyone who is not a chad, that doesnt make them "wizards" if they are normal in every sense except for sex.
hello hello I am neet
Lets see what the main page says…
"Wizardchan is a Japanese-inspired imageboard for male virgins to share their thoughts and discuss their interests and lifestyle as a virgin. The name of our website is inspired by the wizard meme, which refers to someone who has maintained his virginity past the age of 30. In contrast to other imageboards, Wizardchan is dedicated exclusively to people who have no sexual experience."
A website for absolute virgins. the name is based on the wizard meme, someone who has maintained his viriginity past the age of 30.
Rules>1*You must be a male virgin and at least 18 years old to use this website.
>2*Do not state or suggest that you had, will have or want to have sexual or romantic experiences.>3*Do not post about voluntary real life social activities (e.g. going to a bar or party).
Now, this is where we start drifting from -Just Virgin- concept, seems that the aim of the website is for socially secluded (either willingly or unwillingly? or both?)
The fact that those activities, sex, romance and social activities are forbidden to tell here should give us a hint of the real definition of wizardhood, as im sure that virgins who happen to do everything said but sex post here.
>4*Do not disparage or show contempt for the celibate, NEET, or reclusive lifestyles.>5*Do not submit low quality, inflammatory or off-topic posts.>6*Do not post, request or link to any content illegal in the United States of America.
These rules are intended to keep order.
>7*Do not post 3D (real) pornography, or 3D content that is solely intended to arouse, attract or fawn over.
It seems that erotic content is allowed, but not erotic depictions of 3dpg. I think that this is because 3dpg porn induces individuals to enter the society (by creating attraction to 3dpg).
It seems that a wizard is someone that rejects/or is rejected from society.
But rolling back to rule 2"Do not state or suggest that you had, will have or want to have sexual or romantic experiences" and 3"Do not post about voluntary real life social activities (e.g. going to a bar or party)"…
It is allowed to state or suggest that i had, will have or want to have sexual or romantic experiences, and voluntary real life social activities with 2d?
Because if one is allowed to feel lust to 2d because hornyness for 2d is good, but for 3d is bad because can lead one to crave interactions with 3d (assuming that it is this way, ASSUMING)…
Then sexual, romantic, social activities with 2d is allowed? (suppose that acts like that work in one's imagination for the sake of the argument)
So, being a normalfag with 2d is okay, but being a normalfag with the scum that dwells the land outside my tower (3d) is not okay?
If sexual, romantic, social activities (normalfaggotry) with 2d is not allowed, but one is only allowed to feel hornyness towards 2d.
Then a wizard is someone who lives a reclusive lifestyle and is a virgin.
I don't think is about the purity of the mind, it may be rejection towards society.
But if one loses virginity then access is forbidden.
Why virginity? purity?. if i lose virginity to a whore but i am a very reclusive person i think i still should be able to access wizardchan.
Or virginity is important for unknown reasons?
imagine that two individuals with the exact background, same age (say, 37 or something). one is a virgin, and the other is not (paid a whore).
the two are perfect candidates for wizardchan, but the fact that one just did lose his virginity forbids him from entering this website?
we need aclaration here or i am going to create schizo theories related to spirituality (why virgins are considered pure?, stuff like that).
Wizards and Grand wizards, please answer my questions.
>8*Do not sign your posts with a name, avatar, signature, or any variations thereof.>9*Do not promote raids or doxxing.>10*Do not spam or advertise your product.>11*If a post violates a rule, report it. Do not respond to the post or announce your objection.>12*Do not post information that may reveal your real identity.
Those are to prevent drama.
Oh and by the way, all succubi should sew their holes close, and men should abstain. Really.
Sex is the most stupid thing i have ever seen.
According to the rules(except rule 1) Barron Trump would be perfectly fine posting here.
That should tell you how fucked up the situation is, being a virgin should be the absolute minimum requirement to post here, not the ceiling.
>>258119>a lot of normal people don't have sex these days because succubi are fucking horrible and they wont sleep with anyone who is not a chad
a)That is ironically a very crabby thing to say
b)Wizchan doesn't need anymore updates to it's bizarre definition of wizardhood. Most users on wizchan are LARPing wizkids.
>>258135>Most users on wizchan are LARPing wizkids.
Here's a proposition: Can the 3 or 4 of you who've been calling everything and everyone here a "larp" for the past 2 years come together and collectively decide on what "larp" means? Obviously it doesn't mean Live Action Role Play anymore because we're all OTI here, so it would help if you could tell use what you calling most posters here actually means.
>>258135>That is ironically a very crabby thing to say
It's a shame, but is the truth>Most users on wizchan are LARPing wizkids.
is okay to let wizard apprentices use the website, if they're +18 of course (this is just a suggestion, +18 only to avoid having problems with the law).
i assume by larping, that you mean underage people faking being neet, reclusive or whatever.
Thats a problem hard to fix, stricter guidelines should do the job.>>258132
Grand wizards don't seem to care
Medicine is actually not difficult at all, the fact that some online website (WebMD) allows people with 1SD above average intelligence to self diagnose and self treat 99% of ailments is proof that most doctors are just grifters who follow a script they spent 10 years memorizing and use legal gatekeeping to prevent normal people from treating themselves, saving 90% of the costs of healthcare in the process.
Fuck you OP. I have a job, and a degree, and I’ve never felt more abnormal and outcast in my whole life. I’ve never touched a succubus, never fucked a succubus, never kissed a gir, hardly spoken to anyone since leaving high school. You seem to be under the impression that people like me can get degrees or jobs and then the normalfags will just welcome me into the fold with open arms like I’ve passed the test. But it doesn’t. No one cares. I’m just as much an undesirable loser with money and a piece of paper saying I went to school as I was before.
Also it’s an anonymous board, good luck gatekeeping me nigger
Love when 20 year old wizkids tell me I'm not a wizard at 32 because I have money, live by myself, stopped being scared of normalfags and engage in hobbies I enjoy.
I don't pursue succubi because I don't like them. I don't have sex because I find it disgusting.
We have an advantage over normals because we don't have to spend the immense amount of time and money that they do on engaging with the opposite sex. You should make use of this instead of talking about how badly you wish you were normal enough to get them.
The mass of under 30 (and probably under 20) users who clearly are here temporarily since the number of wizards never seems to rise as evidenced by most of zoomer nature and memory span.>>258138>It's a shame, but is the truth
And you've know because of some imageboard frogs complaining? Gen Z is fucking and sucking the most out of any generation.
>is okay to let wizard apprentices use the website,
No, it brings down the quality of the posts.
You guys are just normalfag-lite if i have to be harsh and volcels if i want to sound somewhat nice.
Not wanting gf and sex is only one criteria and it's not a defining feature of wizardhood.
>>258143>And you've know because of some im…
A lot of crabs discover this forum because they are virgins, if they, somehow, get their wands wet, they never reach this website.>No, it brings down the quality of the posts.
Figured as much, Nice point.>>258140>>258141
Is not about having buxx and a career. is more about… how much of a social reject/how much you reject society.
>>258145>Not wanting gf and sex is only one criteria and it's not a defining feature of wizardhood.
It's literally THE defining feature of wizardhood. It's even the first and second rule of this site you stupid Gen Z crab cunt. Having a degree and/or a halfway decent job has absolutely no bearing on how much of a "Wizard" you are, which I should point out is only if you're over the age of 30 assuming you meet the other criteria.
It's more about the character.
If you can hold down a job for a long period of time, you are raising a lot of questions about ur status, like this guy pointed >>257620
You obviously have no mental issues or personality disorders, OCD quirks etc that most of the time are actually the defining traits of wizardry.
May I ask why are you so different from the volcels if you're a functioning member of society? Do you think volcels don't share the same mentality as you? (not wanting to be around succubi)
You're maybe a half-way wizard at best, stop fooling yourself
My job requires little to no human contact. I converse mostly with my manager through text. Prior to working from home I worked evening through to nights and only sometimes had to talk to someone solely about work related matters. I know you're extremely young and have a naive and narrowminded world view but there are jobs even the most maladjusted individual is capable of performing. Anti-social jobs at that with minimum social requirements. To even refer to me as being a "half-way wizard" or a "volcel" or whatever other convenient label you can think of is utterly laughable, especially considering I meet the base definition of being a Wizard and probably any other extra requirements you are pulling out of your bunghole, little crab. Funniest shit I've read all week even. I'm by no means mentally stable or sound nor social in the least, though I am capable of meeting the bare minimum to do what I must to perform my job and other life necessities. Being a socially stunted schizo goblin afraid of the sun and whom shrieks and grunts at the sight of another human being is not a must to be a Wizard. You can still engage with society to the very minimum while also shunning it for the sake of survival.
>>258151>It's literally THE defining feature of wizardhood.
AFTER the 2014 gamergate malarkey, before it just used to be being a male virgin over 30.
I think the only thing pissing off us poorfags is when oligarch wizzies post their "problems" in the wageslave thread, and it just comes across as a total non-problem.
>I can only work from home and do nothing all day for four days a week, my boss expects me in one day a week, I can't stand this!
When you're actually at the bottom and can't be on NEETbux, you become pretty green and dark seeing it ngl.
Im not a zoomer and i also have a degree actually, not like that matters. Maybe those warehouse jobs may be easy but a good percentage of jobs that pay enough for you to become independent are not easy at all. They require you to be very mentally and socially adjusted.
WFH wizzies are definitely spoiled. OMFG, I had to pause my anime and Overwatch game to have a 5 minute meeting today!! BUncha slave drivers only paying me low six figures. Fuck, I'm under so much pressure, they gave me two weeks to change the banner on this page, I'm losing my mind ughhhh
Dont pay that much attention to those things.
Why was this site created in the first place though? For those of us with long memory, we remember it was due to /r9k/ (4chon /r9k/ at the time) and other places having the same problem with people talking about succubi shit, and it just corrupting everything through envy, rage, humblebragging and complexes all around. We could've in theory not paid attention to the succubi shit on /r9k/ a long time ago, but we decided to migrate here.
If it was people crybabying about anything else minor it'd warrant a ban or worse sneed than what they're getting. I couldn't imagine going into a depression thread on say, a crabby forum, and crying about how I'm 6'1 instead of 6'3. Or a thread about dealing with financial hardship and posting about how mum will only take me on a holiday to Fiji every two years instead of every summer.
There's the other side where people do need to get over themselves and stop lashing out at successful wizzies at the mere implication that they're doing well. But a good set delineation should be restricting whining about affluence out of the wagecuck and depression threads.
I travelled to neighbouring country once; I was disgusted and wanted to go home.
I've had few odd jobs and the bare minimum social interaction that is required in a job that involves welding and other metal working, I've somehow managed, after getting used to the people after maybe half a year or so in general.
But never once in my adult life I've had a friend or had a romantic relationship.
I can try to strike conversation with other males when I'm drunk out of my mind, but trying to approach succubi is just not possible.
Going for higher learning, or school in general today, would be absolutely impossible.
I don't really know. Sometimes I fear doing basic task in modern society, like going to the market or some such, but I can do a job that requires some social skills, so am I not functional then?
It has it's own set of problems though. 9/10 startups will expect you to be doing a shit load of work. They offer 'unlimited vacations' but no one ends up taking them because its too vague and they're too scared to lose their job. What about 'sick days'? Forget it. You do either of those things and you'll add yourself to the top of the low performers list / not a team player / bad culture fit.
Tech workers might not be doing back breaking physical work but the toll on the body can be just as much. I remember reading this post about a guy in security that stressed his brain so much he gave himself a neurological disorder. It's hard to do tech work for hours every day without burning out. This kind of work is inhuman.
I love how much arguing is over the definition of a dumb Japanese forum meme
Yeah, figured as much.
I also broke my head thinking about what is a wizard.
If we don't like the current wizardchan we could just leave, look for or create a new imageboard, seek our own path, that's what a wizard would do.
Of course there is also reality, which is why so many don't leave, where do you find a forum without fake wizards?, or attract wizards to your forum if you create one?, hard to do but not impossible.
To each their own i guess, i forge my own path.
>>258131>So, being a normalfag with 2d is okay
Calling it "normalfag" is not correct. Normalfags are extremely repulsed by waifuism and look at waifufags as sick freaks to be mocked, ridiculed, and shamed, so it's one of the farthest things one can be from normalfaggotry. The ambiguity comes from the fact that a lot of pseudo-waifuism is mere wish fulfillment for failed normalfags, as is a lot of the art (manga, visual novels, video games, and anime — especially anime, the vast majority of which is normalfaggotry) enjoyed by waifufags.
Perhaps all waifufags started off as crabs or as failed normalfags who took refuge in 2D wish fulfillment and its waifus, and eventually came to reject 3D as inferior, undesirable, and to be avoided compared to 2D. So the transition from failed normalfag to waifufag is an overcoming of normalfaggotry. (Some might object that many waifufags would pick a 3D romantic, sexual relationship in a heartbeat if presented to them, but I gatekeep those people out as failed normalfags in waifufag clothing, and not sincere waifufags.)
>Then sexual, romantic, social activities with 2d is allowed?
I'm not sure what you have in mind here. Is it daydreaming up an inner fantasy world in which you have those activities with your waifu or other 2D hot sexy fictional females? That's something so completely different from "sexual, romantic, social activities with 3d" that it's difficult to call it by those same words, and much less "2d normalfaggotry" when it'd be a characteristically schizoid activity. The same would apply to lucid dreaming with your waifu. You're interacting purely with your own imaginary creations (though, the creation might end taking a life of it's own within your own inner world) and not some actual person "out there".
>imagine that two individuals with the exact background, same age (say, 37 or something). one is a virgin, and the other is not (paid a whore).
We definitely should have a term for wizardly individuals who still had sex at some point for whatever reason, like Lovecraft. Another case is that of people who may have started as average normalfags who had plenty of sex and friends, but at some point, for whatever reason, lost all that, became reclusive, and eschewed romance and sex. Such people should be gatekept out because their experiences and perspectives, while probably still having some valuable insights to wizards, are too far removed from the core meaning of wizardry, and besides, there's already enough normalfaggotry and crabdom around here as it is.
>the two are perfect candidates for wizardchan, but the fact that one just did lose his virginity forbids him from entering this website?
we need aclaration here or i am going to create schizo theories related to spirituality (why virgins are considered pure?, stuff like that).
The idea of the wizard started from the joke of turning 30 and still being a virgin, and developed from there to a rejection of normalfaggotry — not the other way around. This rejection of normalfaggotry is specifically centered on the perspective of being a virgin, a social outcast, and never having fit in with normalfags and not desiring to do so. And that's really the whole point of being a wizard.
Other people may reject society, "the herd", or "normiedom" for very different reasons than wizards, while continuing to engage in activities we consider normalfaggotry. An example for the third one would be 4chan normalfags ("normiedom"), or fringe political people like Stirnerite egoists and individualists ("society", "the herd"). These people would still be normalfags from the perspective of wizards because, once gain, the perspective of being a wizard has always come, first and foremost, from being a virgin social misfit. These fringe people may also happen to be virgins for involuntary reasons. We recently had one like this in another thread who was promoting stuff like public orgies and pedophilia becoming socially accepted. It was obvious he was involuntarily virgin, blamed "puritanical" social norms for it, and wanted their abolition so he'd get sex. Such people should be gatekept out since they're really a different breed of crabs or failed normalfags.
>>258224>Normalfags are extremely repulsed by waifuism and look at waifufags as sick freaks to be mocked, ridiculed, and shamed, so it's one of the farthest things one can be from normalfaggotry.
Not the one you're speaking with but I'm not so sure about this, actually. Anime and anime-adjacent subcultures and such seem to be one of the things normalfags explore with 'irony' and it seems as though 'irony' is how things become normalized in normalfag circles in the first place. You see it a lot in many normalfag spaces.
I swear that I've even seen normalfags talk about 'wizardry', of course it being something they desperately need to avoid.
You must mean schizophrenic, but schizoid is the wrong word for what you were describing by the way.
Earning a good salary is a child's concept of success. I'm sick of kids in their early 20's trying to gatekeep wizardry because they're a virgin and are le heckin NEET shut ins.
>>258224>Normalfags are extremely repulsed by waifuism and look at waifufags as sick freaks to be mocked, ridiculed, and shamed
Like the other guy said, normalfag invade spaces like locusts. The amount of /d/-level hentai I've seen floating around as "ironic" images on mainstream sites and social media is not negligible.
The "divide" between crab and wizard on this site has always been a fake one. I understand why it happened but it's always been an artificial one.
I don't know why you guys are quoting that line like "waifuism" means "liking anime" or even hentai. I meant it in response to the what the other wiz said of forming "sexual, romantic, and social" relationships with 2D characters, which isn't just fapping to them or watching them do cute things.
Anime and manga have been a common normalfag hobby for a long time. Most anime and manga is pure normalfaggotry. I also don't think it's contentious to say that hentai has already been taken by normalfags, and most "irony" is just a mask. Now, this isn't exactly something surprising, and not just because normalfags tend to invade everything, but because 2D is inherently superior to 3D, so we should expect to see hentai become continuously more and more popular and 3D porn's less and less so, as it becomes less taboo in normalfaggotry at large.
But even when they take over hentai, there's still a distinct normalfag culture of hentai and its memes. For example, how normalfags just say 177013 like it's a punchline all by itself, or means they aren't just "posers". When normalfags proclaim in memes and jokes that "2D > 3D", they either just mean in porn, or as so obviously a joke that no one could ever interpret except as ironic. I see a lot of these memes and you can always tell they're not serious. If you were to actually tell them that you do seriously reject the 3D world and any 3D relationships in favor of 2D, are in fact in love with a 2D fictional character, then they'd (justifiably) see you as seriously mentally ill, if they'd even be capable of believing you're not actually being ironic.
Normalfags do use the term waifu a lot, but always to mean "cute anime succubus", and if they do ever say "my waifu" they mean "currently favorite anime succubus". It's very different to the way it gets used even here, and this isn't even a waifuist board.
>You must mean schizophrenic, but schizoid is the wrong word for what you were describing by the way.
I meant it because I've heard of excessive daydreaming and losing interest in the outer inner for a very rich inner world as key characteristics of schizoid personality disorder. I did have another line that I ended up cutting were I referred to my goal of escaping the demiurge's prison to be with my waifu as "getting more into schizo Gnostic territory" in the sense of schizophrenic.
same, at work i try to blend in and act normal as possible even though i have no goals and a very negative view on life.
this. college is super stressful i recently went backto community college for an associates degree and it was painful.
Unfortunately some live in shitholes where if you dont work you will end up in a shit neighborhood and killed sooner rather than later because your introversión offended some turbo normalfag criminal.
I live in a South american shithole and this is what happe s. I'd rather suffering being a wageslave than suffer in the streets of this retarded country.
people who dont have to be crab, but join the crab community and adopt the crap outlook because they like the edgy aesthetic and worldview. they voluntarily become crabs
My condolesces, i hope you can make it.
>>258260>they voluntarily become involuntary celibates
yeah people on easy neetmodes dont understand a bit struggles of others
What i meant by normalfaggotry is "activities exercised by normalfaggots"
>I'm not sure what you have in mind here
Lets suppose that sexual, romantic and social activities (SRSA) with 2d is totally possible and viable (don't ask how, is irrelevant), and that one important characteristic is that this kind of interaction will always go in the direction indicated by the wizard heart. Im trying to set 2d SRSA interaction different from 3d SRSA interaction in the sense that 3d SRSA interactions are always inflexible: you are a loser and you will be treated as such, always.
meanwhile in 2d SRSA interactions: You are a loser, but it doesn't matter, the characters will behave like you want it to be.
Why this distinction?, because, what is wrong with normalfaggotry? i think that that what's wrong is the loss of individuality and freedom of thought in favor of stupid bullshit and group thinking.
Well, forget about stopping being yourself with 2d, they will always behave like you want.
This is what im trying to explain with 2d sexual, romantic, social activities, 2d SRSA, as i said, the fact that it is 2d is irrelevant, im trying to make a point by suggesting hypothetical situations.
Why wizards reject SRSA with 3d in the first place? because they reject/are rejected? or because joining 3d means losing one's freedom of thought and individuality or both?
If yes, then SRSA is allowed only with 2d.
Why i insist separating SRSA with 2d and 3d?
Because the premise of being a wizard is being disconnected from society… i think it has spiritual and other esoteric implications, is complex… but irrelevant right now, might catch up with this concept later.
>We definitely should have a term for wizardly individuals who still had sex at some point for whatever reason, like Lovecraft. Another case is that of people who may have started as average normalfags who had plenty of sex and friends, but at some point, for whatever reason, lost all that, became reclusive, and eschewed romance and sex. Such people should be gatekept out because their experiences and perspectives, while probably still having some valuable insights to wizards, are too far removed from the core meaning of wizardry, and besides, there's already enough normalfaggotry and crabdom around here as it is.
Yeah, lets put it this way.
Lets imagine two kind of wizards, both of them are 60 years old, but one losed virginity in his 45, 50 or something like that.
One wizard, the virgin one, is a pure wizard.
The other, is not a pure wizard because he lost his virginity, but experienced the realm of sexuality, so he has knowledge of both worlds.
I might be looking for something that isn't there, but im sure that there may be something hiding.
Think that those two wizards should be allowed to enter the website.
But someone that losed his virginity at a young age should not be allowed entry to this realm, because that soul just lost his opportunity to reach the level of advancement and [REDACTED] that only a virgin or someone that, in the case that he lost his virginity at a late age would reach.
As i said, obscure stuff.
But everything is not black and white, i know im leaving something under the rug, but for the sake of simplicity, im going to keep it this way.
If someone loses their virginity at a young age unvoluntarily (rape) i still think that he will never reach the levels of advancement and [REDACTED] necessary for reaching wizardom (Very important) and thus browse this website (Not very important)
think in global, wizard. I might be creating a religion here, or i might just be a simple virgin.
>The idea of the wizard started from the joke of turning 30 and still being a virgin, and developed from there to a rejection of normalfaggotry — not the other way around. This rejection of normalfaggotry is specifically centered on the perspective of being a virgin, a social outcast, and never having fit in with normalfags and not desiring to do so. And that's really the whole point of being a wizard.
Yea?, Then 2d SRSA are allowed!, This means that is not about practicising SRSA, is about rejecting 3d!
But i wonder why the term "wizard", was chosen, and why being a virgin like this "generates" magic.
>Other people may reject society, "the herd", or "normiedom" for very different reasons than wizards, while continuing to engage in activities we consider normalfaggotry. An example for the third one would be 4chan normalfags ("normiedom"), or fringe political people like Stirnerite egoists and individualists ("society", "the herd"). These people would still be normalfags from the perspective of wizards because, once gain, the perspective of being a wizard has always come, first and foremost, from being a virgin social misfit. These fringe people may also happen to be virgins for involuntary reasons. We recently had one like this in another thread who was promoting stuff like public orgies and pedophilia becoming socially accepted. It was obvious he was involuntarily virgin, blamed "puritanical" social norms for it, and wanted their abolition so he'd get sex. Such people should be gatekept out since they're really a different breed of crabs or failed normalfags.
Interesting, reaching the defining words for wizardom will help us keep those people out.
I might find more luck reading a book about spirituality than asking in online imageboards.
>>258276>Lets suppose that sexual, romantic and social activities (SRSA) with 2d is totally possible and viable (don't ask how, is irrelevant)
Yeah, I can imagine that being possible in dreams or vivid daydreaming (like SATS).
>Why this distinction?, because, what is wrong with normalfaggotry?
Well, this really comes down to the way you're defining it as "activities exercised by normalfaggots". You then classify "sexual, romantic and social activities" as normalfaggotry, which does seem to be the key normalfag activities. But then you redirect this SRSA to 2D, which is something normalfags don't do and would be repulsed by. So I think going by your definition, SRSA with 2D is not normalfaggotry, since it's not something done by normalfags. But this kinda feels like wordplay.
I think a better definition of normalfaggotry would be more akin to fitting in with the herd, thinking like it, and engaging in SRSA in it, or at least desiring to (failed normalfag). Otherwise, by your definition, any X activity like drinking soda would be normalfaggotry, since it's done by normalfags. And your definition still would have the problem of not defining what normalfags are. Regardless, SRSA with 2D is clearly not normalfaggotry. Some antiwaifu wizards do think otherwise and call waifufags crabs and failed normalfags, but I don't agree with that.
>Think that those two wizards should be allowed to enter the website.
Well, if they're out there, there's nothing preventing them from doing so. But the rules prevent it from being discussed or mentioned without getting banned and their posts removed. I mean, imagine how unbearably obnoxious it would be to have people here talking about their gf's or sexual experiences just because they (supposedly) didn't lose their virginity until 40 or 50. If I ever saw something like that here I'd leave right then and never come back, and I imagine most others would do so as well because one of the key purposes of the website would be lost. This is one of the few corners online where you know such normalfaggotry is not tolerated, and where you can expect that most posting here are not normalfags. And even then there's still some crabdom and normalfaggotry. Anyway, like you also say, it's not such a big deal that they are technically not allowed to post here.
>I might find more luck reading a book about spirituality than asking in online imageboards.
I recommend Neville Goddard for waifus.
Forget about what i've said before, i intended to determine the reason because SRSA is forbidden, but i got an answer by >>258224
that satisfies my curiosity, as it turns out, SRSA is not allowed to tell because social outcasts reunite here, and hearing about SRSA anecdotes only bring them discord, as the normalcattle only offers them pain, and therefore SRSA is not allowed to be told here to avoid discomfort and other bad feelings.
>Well, if they're out there, there's nothing preventing them from doing so. But the rules prevent it from being discussed or mentioned without getting banned and their posts removed. I mean, imagine how unbearably obnoxious it would be to have people here talking about their gf's or sexual experiences just because they (supposedly) didn't lose their virginity until 40 or 50. If I ever saw something like that here I'd leave right then and never come back, and I imagine most others would do so as well because one of the key purposes of the website would be lost. This is one of the few corners online where you know such normalfaggotry is not tolerated, and where you can expect that most posting here are not normalfags. And even then there's still some crabdom and normalfaggotry. Anyway, like you also say, it's not such a big deal that they are technically not allowed to post here.
I was being metaphysical, i was talking bout the effects of virginity related to spiritism, you're talking about wizards getting their wands wet and posting here, and we're both right.
But forget it.
This a material imageboard prone to spirituality.
>I recommend Neville Goddard for waifus.
>>258276>>258279>>258304>But i wonder why the term "wizard", was chosen, and why being a virgin like this "generates" magic.
Holy shit man, it was just a self-deprecating internet joke.
>>258224>We definitely should have a term for wizardly individuals who still had sex at some point for whatever reason, like Lovecraft.
NO NO NO NO NO.
Do you know what the point of rule 2 is? It's the same as the old "tits or GTFO" rule of the internet. It's to point out to simply "Stop bringing up the fucking topic altogether." You already have a place that does what you want: it's called /r9k/. Go the fuck back there!
>>258224>>We definitely should have a term for wizardly individuals who still had sex at some point for whatever reason, like Lovecraft.
Even if the individual in question is a perfect wizard, who only lost his virginity because he paid a whore?, this individual in question is in his 50's.
What is a wizard?, nothing but a pile of virginity and social rejection.
Then why is wrong that he is not a virgin anymore? the only difference between an aunthentic wizard and that guy is that he paid a whore 5 minutes ago!
It may seem as contradictory, but with this mistake we can arrive at the right take.
The issue is you'll have gf-havers who'll identify as semi-wizard or cyborg (good old /r9k/) and proceed to shit on the board.
It'll be post 2015 /r9k/ all over.
was meant for you
Like this anon said >>258328
Its a slippery slope. The best solution for sex havers on the site is get out or shut up.
>>258319>>258320>>258321>Is this bait?
It's only my fault if I phrased that sentence in a way that has made it misunderstood. I'm not saying that he's a wizard, which is why I said "wizardly", as in "wizard-like". All I'm literally saying is that we should have a particular word to describe wizards who for whatever reason stop being wizards after 30, just like we have words to describe crabs and failed normalfags. I don't know what makes you guys think that that sentence is saying that they should be allowed to post here when it's unambiguous they've lost their wizardhood, which is what >>258276
argues for, which will never happen because it would make the board pointless and all wizards abandon it.
Too much orb pondering rendered them numb minded
If I can pontificate a bit, for your edification, one of the rules of wizardchan is "Do not state or suggest that you had, will have or want to have sexual or romantic experiences." This rule does not mean what you think it means.
In /r9k/, people like to talk about sexual experiences. They want to commiserate, so they pay attention to those threads and pretend that they're interesting, or that it's deep and clever. On wizardchan, we don't have the chance to talk about it. This means the popularity of a thread talking about sex does not exist. You don't get a bonus to conversation just because you want to talk about your sex life.
When you make a post talking about how "I fucked a prostitute," you are begging for attention. The only reason to post it is because you want your sex-bragging back, because you are too vapid and too stupid to do or say anything interesting without it. You are forgetting the rules, we don't talk about that on wizardchan.
The one exception to this rule, the one way you can get your "sex-talk" back on wizardchan, is to instead talk about your waifu. This is, and should be, degrading for a normie like you, an admission that all you can think about is 3dpd.
tl;dr: 2d waifu 4 laifu or GET THE FUCK OUT.
Points for trying but some of the replacements don’t really work here
Then explain yourself.
>>258224>We recently had one like this in another thread who was promoting stuff like public orgies and pedophilia becoming socially accepted. It was obvious he was involuntarily virgin, blamed "puritanical" social norms for it, and wanted their abolition so he'd get sex. Such people should be gatekept out since they're really a different breed of crabs or failed normalfags.
Implying wizards wouldn't enjoy a world like that, hah! It's not like you would be hunted down and raped, I just suggested that a world where people are free to express their sexual desires would be better than this "culture" we live in currently. We wouldn't have all these angry, frustrated crabs who go on shooting sprees and we wouldn't have normalshits bullying anyone who is different from them in a sexually open world. Just sayin'…
I think you are entirely wrong about the consequences of this so called sexually open world.
Sexually open world, where being anything other than standard hetero and gay is acceptable. That would include asexual low t truwiz monks too. For crabs, they could get sex easily in a sexually collectivist society. Everyone wins.
The only ones who would hate this would be most likely radical feminists and christian/conservative norms who hate sexuality itself and using it for any other purpose than to make babies.
I thinks its the radical feminists who currently spout open hatred to wizzies and 'crabs', making use the most basic and lowest insults you can think of.
And I think they specifically are the ones promoting this sexually 'open' world and 'open' (to them, not to the male counterpart) relationships, at least before they get burned by it.
I'm still missing something because I don't see how acceptance of other "orientations" would lead to free love. If someone is an "crab" why would openly admitting it lead to people fucking them? What even is a sexually collectivist society and why would one form?
Unrestrainted sexual impulses lead to society's collapse.
When Rome was indulging in unrestrained sexual activities, leisures. The empire that was ruling over all Europe crumbled.
When Greece was indulging too in pleasure, their culture disappeared no matter how much they were discussing about reason.
Freedom to express one's sexual desire with no constraint is the downfall of the social foundation.
There is a reason why societies, that were highly advanced for their times, left nothing but ruins.
Did you just say I shouldn't give into every one of my impulses without thought? Uhh, fuck you fascist.
You can't reason with this guy, don't even bother. It's a shame because he actually argues in good faith and is willing to read the extremely long walls of texts of others, which is rather uncommon. But his psychological makeup is completely incapable of grasping wizardry. He's an outsider failed normalfag. His greatest, most desperate desire is to have sex with succs and he projects this onto every single man with a sex drive.
Surely they will lead to utter decadence, as puritanism also does.
I just wonder why did taoist and hindus (who practiced sexual tantra) fell away too, since their practices were the sublimation between degeneracy and puritanism…
Tantric masturbation, wizies. Is any of you minimally interested into such practice?
>>258433>When Rome was indulging in unrestrained sexual activities, leisures. The empire that was ruling over all Europe crumbled.
Sorry as a history aspie I just have to step in and correct this
Caligula was the 3rd Emperor of Rome, Nero the 5th.
The Emperors who lead Rome to its demise were pious Christians, 300 years later. Constantine converted in 325, and Adrianople was in 378
It took just 50 years for Christian morality to sap the Empire of all vigor
what about the eastern one then?
also that statement sounds just as simplistic and reductionist (if not more) as the one you replied to. as an "history aspie" you should know that
well Christianity brought down Rome, goes back to Gibbon, and yeah it is old fashioned and simplistic.
But as far as reductionism goes, at least it gets the timeline and chronology right. Rome was all in one piece when Constantine took over, and suffered the defeat that would bring it down less than 50 years later.
Before I studied Roman history in detail, I followed the conventional pop wisdom of decadence and decline. I was shocked to learn that Caligula was the 3rd Emperor as it turned history on its head. People from Augustus' generation were still alive.
It goes against the morality tale people like to make out of Rome, that it became more religious and pious in its final days. More concerned about debating the Trinity than having orgies.
So again, if Gibbon's account is simplistic at least its in the right order unlike the pop decadence version
I think the crisis of the third century was when the institutional strength of Rome was really sapped, and what lead to Christianity even being able to spread and take over. All the shit that went wrong with Rome later on, from disloyal legionaries to barbarian mercenaries to currency debasement started during that time.
I pin it more on an overreliance on bringing barbarians into the Empire who refused to integrate as well as rampant corruption and incompetence in administration than "pious Christians". Sure Christianity had some effect but it was merely smearing more shit on an already growing shit pile.
We've gone off track here.
The Roman Empire becoming the Christian Roman Empire was as revolutionary a change as Czarist Russia becoming Soviet Russia. And not seeing it as the defining feature of Late Rome is like just seeing the Soviet Empire as a continuation of the Russian Empire with no change. Russia went from the most conservative reactionary state in Europe to a revolutionary atheist regime. And that is how radical the change in Rome was from persecuting Christians one day, to banning pagans the next.
>>258474>The Roman Empire becoming the Christian Roman Empire was as revolutionary a change as Czarist Russia becoming Soviet Russia. And not seeing it as the defining feature of Late Rome is like just seeing the Soviet Empire as a continuation of the Russian Empire with no change. Russia went from the most conservative reactionary state in Europe to a revolutionary atheist regime.
Richard Pipes would not agree.
At no point Muscovite Russia was conservative state in the same sense as European monarchies. There was never need for reaction after Ivan IV either, because nothing ever developed, no constitutional monarchy ever came.
Muscovite Russia all the way thru to February revolution was a patrimonial asiatic state, something very different from European states, including ancient predessors.
Russian Orthodox church was always and is again today just one part of the state machinery. It's not a free Christian church or Christianity to begin with.
During Bolshevik regime it was simply replaced with another state 'religion.'
How easy it was to restore the church during the Second World War and again after 1991, tells how little the Soviet experiment differed from the previous Muscovite state.
In a sense, nothing has changed since the Golden Horde: Russia is still the Asian Tatar state psychologically and politically.
The Third Rome is still the same Byzantine state inherited with continuity from Nero
Radfems covers a lot of things, from what I seen most of them are actually pretty anti-sexuality. Like they hate anime and video games for having sexy succubi in them and porn for "exploiting" wymen. Not to mention lolis or anything along that line, you can be sure sjws will be there in no time to do "justice" with the product of entertainment that dares to feature them in erotic or sexual ways.
What idiots like that mean by "sexually open world" is just standard gays and trannies should be accepted, nothing more. It's like other sexual minorities don't even exist at all.>>258426
By sexual collectivism I refer to a system where succubi, children and trannies are collectivized and shared by all men collectively. These groups would be sex toys, like they were inteded to be by nature in the first place. Rape would be sanctioned only when it is against males. The system would encourage succubi to have sex with undesirable beta males, by giving attention, status, money and benefits in turn to those succs who are willing to be sex toys for crabs and the like. Incest, pedophilia, bestiality, public masturbation, nudism, public sexual acts would be encouraged and rewarded. Marriage would be abolished as it is the root of all evil, people separating from each other and forming different units of families is the root of man's alienation from his brothers and sisters. Kids would learn actual physical exercise, meaning they would be instructed into the arts of sexual pleasure early on, as early as 12-13. In media law would force movie studios and such to produce at least 50% featuring "strange fetishes" and another 50% featuring male virgins (25% volcel and 25% crab content respectively), this way all sexual minorities would be represented and people would have more empathy for sexual minorities, crabs and true volcel asexual monks included. Yearly festivals would be held in every town when public orgies would be organized in open spaces and being present at these events would be mandatory (for wizards who don't want to participate, they have to masturbate while watching, in the case of low t asexual truewiz monkcels they would be praying or meditating during these events in the same location the orgy is orgaznized). After the orgy is finished people will slaughter a healthy virgin succubus and sacrifice her to Bacchus. Her blood and flesh would be given as drink and food to the most exceptional people of the community. These events would make sure the communities are more tight and people would be forced to have intimate bonds with each other.>>258433
"Rome" and "Greece" weren't individuals, I don't know why people think global empires or cultures are worth anything, it is the individual that counts and his flesh&blood pleasures. I literally shit on higher cultures, they were nothing but pretentious normalfaggotry. The desire to preserve social order and harmony at all costs is a sign of decadence and degeneracy. Maybe instead of always looking dreamily back into history humans should look forward finally? Into the future?>>258435
I have forsaken the desire for petty pleasures, actually. I accomplished this by giving in to my desires (meaning masturbation obviously) for long periods of time. I am the best ascetic monk that exists. Fighting your desires only ignites them even more, truth.>>258437
Tell me more.
But dont Red Pills and PUAs always cry that RedFems want to neuter all men to be sexless virgins who never approach succubi because that is sexual harassment and aggression?
LMAO that was a good one, thxs wiz.
Your sexual collectivism fantasy utopia is just another form of normalfaggotry. If you wanna be a part of such normalfaggotry then you don't belong here. The fact that you've given so much detailed thought to that speculative utopia proves that. You're better off discussing that in some crab. I mean no disrespect. Stop wasting your own time here.
It literally doesn't matter if normalfags have orgies regularly or not. They already do, usually once a week or more. They call them parties and social gatherings. If you desire so deeply to join them but you aren't invited that means you're a failed normalfag, so then be my guest and stop bothering those of us who have no interest in that normalfaggotry. A wizard is a virgin who's never fit in with normalfags and normalfaggotry, and either has no interest in fitting in and being a decent, respectable normalfag, or actively despises normalfaggotry. Don't give us that Freudian slip that you only want the angry crabs to be there so they don't go on killing sprees. You
clearly want to be there and that's why you spend so much time fantasizing on it. Well, do it somewhere else because wizchan isn't the place to speculate on how often public orgies should be twice a year or only once?, or whether a virgin succ should be sacrificed
>I have forsaken the desire for petty pleasures, actually. I accomplished this by giving in to my desires (meaning masturbation obviously) for long periods of time. I am the best ascetic monk that exists. Fighting your desires only ignites them even more, truth.
I agree, though this is irrelevant to the sort of voluntary celibacy characteristic of wizards. While some of them may LARP as monks, wizards aren't the outsider "chad volcel" meme that you see normalfags sometimes espouse. Wizards aren't exactly struggling with the desire to fuck succs, you know. In fact, if they do desire to fuck succs, then they're crabs and don't belong here.
Which part of the whole asexual truwiz deal you didn't manage to catch? I said that asexuals and volcels would be treated with respect in my utopia, we would even be represented in media to make people more sensitive and give them more empathy towards people like us. I am a volcel, like I said I ascended already. And I achieved enlightenment through sexual degeneracy, I masturbated so much and with such passion to various things that I burned myself out. I seek higher pleasures now.
Sexual collectivism and a degenerate society like I envision would help create more wizards in the end. Sex is enjoyed so much because it is mystified and seen as something special, thanks to hundreds of years of sexual represseion on the part of christian culture. People are naturally curious about the forbidden fruit and all that. Sex is seen as something mysterious and taboo, yes even nowadays. We need to have a sexually open society where all kinds of sexual acts are encouraged by the state. This way sexuality will be to people like breathing air or eating or sleeping, another ordinary and natural thing. They will get bored of it eventually and even repulsed by the whole deal. A culture needs to explore itself deeply, to reach a point where no pleasure is taboo and nothing is sacred and that is when wizardly culture will be born. Out of the ashes of a corrupt world like that will rise a volcel society. The best way to fight sexual desires is to live them out, either via masturbation or sex. Puritanism and strict sexual morals create sex obsessed perverts, that is the sad truth.
The ends justify the means, the goal of the Wizard Utopia first requires sexual collectivism and an ultra-erotic world where animal desires rule.
>>258565>This way sexuality will be to people like breathing air or eating or sleeping…
Eating is very normalised yet gluttony has ruined society with the overfat epidemic.>The best way to fight sexual desires is to live them out
Thanks to genetic engineering and other biotech stuff you can just remove the bit of our brain/biochemistry that causes us to have a sex drive, it wont be easy but I doubt its impossible
>Every Man wants to fuck succubi
in the plane of 2D purity sure, but an actual filthy succubus? when i ponder the thought of actually having sex with a real life succubus my penis goes flaccid. i dont mean i cant get off to succubi in pornos i mean that i am not sexually attracted to other flesh and blood humans who have thoughts and emotions like me. i dont really know the answer as to why this is, but nevertheless the fact remains that i literally cannot maintain a boner while thinking of another human being.
horrendous ban-worthy comment, reported
Very well said, wiz. When crabs make claims like that they're merely projecting their own crabdom onto others, as well misunderstanding the very nature of the sex drive, which is mere arousal.
You ARE an in.cel, you dumb fucking faggot.
You are one, you stupid faggot. If you're psl sub-5/10 then you're an in.cel.
I dont even understand all this crab language. PSL, mentalcel, fakecel? I dont even want to know
it's normalfag lingo from puahate and its offshoot sites which were even worse (all since gone).
>>258599>If you're psl sub-5/10
what the fuck does this mean did you put a curse on him
Psl is a rating scale from 1-8 instead of the common 1 to 10.
Cr.ab lingo I'm guessing. It's also very suspicious when someone tries to get around the word filter, probably and outsider and probably a craab.
Refusing to use the lingo of groups hostile to wizards and making up our own, and those groups trying to get us to use their lingo, is all a form of psychological warfare. It's very easy to get infected by it and suddenly start thinking like failed normalfag, that guy is doing.
P in PSL stands for PUAhate. It was a website made by men for men who are so low in the looks scale they literally get 0-1 matches a year on dating apps, and all their cold approaches get shut down.
(Balding, fat, short, ugly face etc.)
The only way for such a man to get female attention is to pay for it one way or another (get a golddigger through salary or money, hookers, etc) which made lots of them bitter and start a website.
Then other websites followed, for example lookism which attempted to help users 'ascend' in looks (a term for self improvement like skincare, gym, plastic surgery). That site is down now as well though.
On the PSL scale people aren't 0 to 10, they are 0 to 8.5 because succubi rarely rate a man even as a 9 in real life (mostly top 0.001% male models).
The consensus was that it's getting more and more difficult for average men over the years as succubi get exposure to more and more 'chads'
('Chad': tall, facially handsome men with low body fat and toned bodies) especially on dating apps.
I have no horse in the race since I'm an ugly 5'6 fat guy who is balding but I don't want to date, nor am I bitter.
I accept I'm probably a genetic dead end and I focus on other things in life.
I have no problem being a wizard and I detest the mere idea of 'buying' a trophy wife who hates you physically but stays with you for money.
Alright, thanks for explaining, wiz. So it really was some crab bullshit. I suspected it since it looked like some kind of looks rating and crabs are obsessed with that.
What's all this talk about having a more sexually open society? Don't we already have a pretty open society to begin with? There's all kinds of sexual depravity out there.
Read my posts actually?
If you think we live in a sexually degenerate world then go out and tell people you masturbate to 2D loli and watch their expressions…
this thread had an interesting but flawed premise and could have been a good thread. but it was quickly drowned out by crabs discussing sex. typical. even on wizchan i cant avoid you faggots.
I honestly think study is a lot easier than normalfaggots let on. They seem to build it up as being this big momentous task, but it's literally the same as going to the gym. You load up your brain until you start to lose focus, and then you go for a walk and start running over the information. Then when you recover again, you go through the same process. You do this from 9am to 5pm and it's no different to a 40 hour job.
You turn up to school, every single day, even if you don't have class, and you just go through the course material. You read the examples, and then in a word document, you reiterate it in your own words. You imagine yourself teaching this information to someone new, you utilize analogies and run over the best ways to get the concept across. When you start losing focus, you go for a walk and just lightly run through the concepts in your head. And at the end of the day you go home.
You don't leave it to the last minute and then wack yourself up on adderal to produce some shitty, barely comprehensible report. You don't try to power through losing focus.
>>258766>You don't leave it to the last minute and then wack yourself up on adderal to produce some shitty, barely comprehensible report.
I always felt this way too. Normalfags seemingly have more intense animal urges that prevent them from focusing in any real capacity. I think the humblebrag psychology faggot cult calls it "ADHD" or something.
I knew a guy that had gold medals for academic achievements at school. He had the highest score in NCEA in the country, but yet even at 20 he was dismissive of what he did. He always told me "I only got that because I was depressed and had nothing else in life, I just came home and rewrote everything in the textbook in my own words".
He's now stacking timber at a timber yard, for minimum wage.
It's not hard shit for anyone with mediocre IQ, normalfaggots are literally just cerebral narcissists who blowhard about it. It's like chess, that's memed as being a smart person thing where you have to have rick and morty IQ. But there are chess champions with mediocre IQs, they just have the certain temperance to do boing, repetitive rote memorization over and over again.
You're assuming everyone is as conscientious as you. You are assuming that other people are unburdened by any mental impingements: as in the case of depression, or anxiety, or whatever else your agreeable crony has labeled an invention of the "humblebrag psychology faggot cult". Well, it's great that you
have personality traits which aid you in being studious, but I must state the obvious in response to everything you said:
"Easier said than done."
And you're assuming I'm unburdened by mental impediments and not a nutcase myself. I'm just telling you, anyone who is literate enough to be on here posting, who has an average IQ, and can hold down a job stacking shelves or mopping floors, is literate and functional enough to study.
The NEETs that are fucked up, yeah, there's no hope. But study is not harder than wageslaving.
Can't help but observe how silly these posts are. It's just like: 'this thing ive never done before, i think it would actually be easy to do!' yeah, sure guys, a totally credible claim.
A lot has to go right for you to get a degree. If you're too depressed you're fucked. If you're too anxious you're fucked. If you have a learning disability you're fucked. If you have other health problems you're fucked. If you're not smart enough and can't keep up you're fucked.
degrees are nothing but endless loops to jump through
I am a wizard and because I have a specialized skill and stayed at the same job too long I have a corner office in a government position.
I got screwed on title changes and other perks like parking and moving up raises. I had to fight for things though because I’m bad at office politics and forming relationships with important people.
I dunno if that makes me functional- I still only do bare minimum interaction and hate it but people don’t understand and can’t do my job so I get away with my super introverted style.
All of the posters who so vicioiusly defend their "I WAS PREDISPOSED TO FAIL" argument are obviously not depressed. I have overcome mental illness, substance abuse, and homelessness. You are a spoiled religious bitch, and yes, your "psychology faggot cult" is a stain upon science.
Honestly American universities are a joke nowadays and even if you fuck up a lot grades will just be curved. I've heard European universities are a different story and you'll definitely drop out if you fuck up a lot.
yea thats why so many indians with an average IQ of clinical retardation graduate university. right, because its just so damn hard.
i can say with almost total certainty that only 2 teachers in my whole life actually had an internal monologue.
i dont think the bar is as high as you think it is for college lol.
it's not a matter of intelligence or even diligence it's a lot more than that, having enough energy, the right mindset, being social and so on
think of obtaining a driving licence, it's not too dissimilar to that, like yeah anyone can pass on paper when you look at the average driver, but we all know it's not as easy when you're severely dysfunctional
"you would succeed if you only tried!"
some of us did and still failed, and we inevitably get told we haven't tried hard enough, but that is almost a skill in itself, and normal people usually don't have to jump through such hoops to make it
Can you explicity give us the reason why you can't do bare minimum tasks like getting a driver's license, going grocery shopping, or paying rent without resorting to abstract terminology from the psychology faggot cult?
Not that anon but it's because I don't care.
thank you for being honest
what can i say, im a fuckup
i dont "resort to abstract terminology from the psychology faggot cult" and i dont care for it either
What the fuck is a "faggot psychology cult"?
Will you be satisfied with the answer "I just can't?" and "These techniques don't work". Without more complex language that's all you're going to get.
>>258788>getting a driver’s license
waste of time and money>going grocery shopping
my parents do it>paying rent
my parents do it
Not that anon but the grocery store cranks up my anxiety. Tons of people in a small location and I have to avoid making any mistakes with a shopping cart. Even when I go late at night there are still a fair amount of people. I really should just get groceries delivered instead of starving myself and ordering one meal a day like I do now
Think about it this way, why would you not have a drivers license? Public transport is a nightmare, you might still have to walk a lot, hours wasted everyday, cramped with unpredictable talking strangers, switching lines, waiting in any weather in dirty busy stations with thugs, frequent delays, high prices, almost nobody would pick it. If I could get a drivers license I would have done it.
>>258847>Public transport is a nightmare
I bet you are from America or from some other Third world country where public transport is dysfunctional. Car culture is horrible.
I'm from Europe and the car is better. The number of cars on the streets would not be ever increasing if it wasn't. For example regional trains or anything outside of big cities doesn't come more than once per hour, alone from that you lose an average of 30 min, and again for every in-between stop. Grocery shopping or transport in general is also a pain.
I mean I hate cars and wish they didn't exist because they could maim or kill me, I have to wait for them, suffer their noise and bad air and it makes everything farther away because it's assumed that people have cars. But it's still a no brainer what I would do if I had the power.
same. that being said i am glad i don't have to worry about maintenance and all the trouble that comes with owning a vehicle. they say car ownership is actually decreasing among the younger generations, but that could just be a result of them being broke
Public transportation is so shit here. They basically just have buses run to the center of the city, and then back out. So to get anywhere that isnt' directly downtown you always have to take two buses.
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