The internet is the core thing that warped my way of thinking
Life really was simpler
The massification of the internet was one of the worst mistakes humanity has ever made. Steve Jobs ruined the internet forever when he made it easy for normies to be online all the time. Back in the day only shutins and weirdos were online all the time since you had to be glued to a PC, now normalfags are 24/7 checking their social media from their smartphones. Sure, there is more content now than 15 years ago, but the quality of the content is abyssmal. There are no more online communities, everything is tied to social media. It's awful.
> it's the kind of information that makes it into your head.
You have a point there, It's hard to manage that and can be very damaging if you are not careful.
> The distraction from what is real
What is real? normalfags playing their status games? Shitting on each other trying to get ahead? Fuck that, give me vidya, youtube and torrent thxs, you go be a "constructive" wage slave all you want.
I remember the time when people were doing things joyfully. Now everything is a glorified store front. There are no identities anymore, but personal brands.>>260016
That is exactly what isn't real. These little abstractions they put in place, so society can rule over you.
Getting food, water, sleep, going outside, getting enough movement are the only things that matter. I learned my lesson very late.
There's especially a certain danger in complacency with the internet for young people I think. A lot of people extrapolate their experience at eighteen to the rest of their life, and expect to have fun playing bibleo games and cooming online forever. Even if they are complete normies, many will be lulled down the shut in NEET degenerate route. Because despite the rhetoric surrounding the issue on places like 4chan, many of the people with technology addictions are normies in the same way many weed addicts are normies, and the same sort of complacency defines both. It's something that can make you content being a loser.
>it's the kind of information that makes it into your head.
This is the big problem in that cynicism always seems to proliferate online, no matter where you look. For all the shit crabby forums get for their succubi hating and doomerism regarding relationships, you can find the same sort of defeatism and learned helplessness basically everywhere else online.
>Anyone who claims the internet helped them cope or escape is suffering from stockholm syndrome.
It helps you cope in the same way anti-psychotics help you cope, and does the same damage as anti-psychotics. The way it could potentially help is if you were having a breakdown or went through something serious, it could provide a calming distraction for a few weeks until you're in a position to patch yourself up. The same way anti-psychotics are utilized for their calming effects. But if you're "coping" by being online 24/7 and letting the years tick by, then it is harmful.
Oh joy. Another internet sucks thread. Don't get me wrong, I'm a sucker for this kind of content but how many threads like this do we have now?https://youtube.com/watch?v=m7QEWz-72bw>>260088>I learned my lesson very late.
You're like 29. How is that late when tons of normies are still glued to screens well into their 30's and 40's ignoring their kids and pets for another dopamine hit? And don't get me started on the Q boomers who unlearned this lesson as smartphones and alternative social media took off. My dad works with this one guy who's so deep down the "rabbit hole" he sings along to music about overthrowing the gov't and killing everyone…while at work. That guy tore his family apart for some politishit. It could be much much worse for you.>>260122
10/10. Most lucid and insightful analysis thus far. You really do think you and your waifu will be together forever when you're 18. Let 5 years go by, suddenly you're visiting family and all of your cousins are married w/ kids or at least dating - and it hits you. You're living a fantasy that falls apart the minute you step back into the outside world. You can't bring a daki everywhere with you and lay on the beach with it. Not unless you have Chad levels of confidence and own your weirdness. The Internet is not a companion. Fictional characters are ideal companions but they don't exist. If you need companionship and are not content with being a loser, you probably don't belong here. There are other ways.
We've covered the problems and a solution: get off the internet. But then what? Are you really gonna spend all day outside in the sun? I have outdoor hobbies so I'm all set. But what about your average wizard? You need to have something to do outside or else you'll just get bored and dive right back in. Watch a bunch of TV shows and anime until you see something you want to imitate. Then buy what you need, go outside and imitate it. If you genuinely enjoy it, there's your ticket out. Out damned Internet.
Life is horrible regardless of what you do, at least media makes it somewhat bereable, is like alcohol or drugs for me, without media i would have killed myself like 10 years ago.
>>260088>Getting food, water, sleep, going outside, getting enough movement are the only things that matter. I learned my lesson very late.
What does that even mean? That one should live as a savage in the wild, or larp as a homesteader or something?
>I remember the time when people were doing things joyfully. Now everything is a glorified store front.
Again: what does any of that mean? Doing things "joyfully"? What things?
It's always the same boomer-tier platitudes that are spewed out along with this topic. It feels so fake and unorganic, ironically.
I am unsure many of us are addicted or passionately like any of these things, it is just a way to pass the time, some "default" activities that are more distracting than staring at the ceiling all day. I've done the "just go outside bro" shit and it is not a quick fix to anything, even if you were to have some magical time and energy consuming hobbies. See that guy above who is out the damned internet but still lurks here lol.
>Watch a bunch of TV shows and anime until you see something you want to imitate. Then buy what you need, go outside and imitate it.
"I got into x thanks to *random slice of life anime or reality tv show* :^)"
Sounds like forcing yourself to enjoy something by sinking time and money into it. Maybe it will work out for you (fake it till you make it!) but it's still so fake nonetheless.
yep all those "I left the internet" guys sure are around a lot to tell us so.
imageboards are just a place for retards to brag about their latest trendy diets and pills that totally cure schizophrenia. if we were on 4chan, these same guys would be making up stories to us about how they fucked succubi and the rules here are the only things preventing them from doing so.
dude I just found this new Christian denomination and let me tell you, it sure cured my chronic pains. I think the new fish oil tabs and fast should handle the rest and I'll be heading offline now to my new welding job and my cabin in the woods.
Yeah exactly. Although I would disagree with the "fucked succubi" thing, there has been a lot of pushback against that lately. Nowadays affecting restraint and being almost puritanical is more trendy, cooming and consooming is bad, you see. The imageboard dwellers are more likely to lament how they cannot find a pure trad wife to go raise goats or something.
Get off the internet and the cities! (see how by suscribing to my patreon, substack, youtube, twitter and reading my posts on 88chan)
You're precisely describing something that had been annoying me for a while. It's no different than all those guys who go on and on about how once they get to a certain nofap streak all strangers can't help but stare at them in awe as they walk by.
>>260122>A lot of people extrapolate their experience at eighteen to the rest of their life, and expect to have fun playing bibleo games and cooming online forever.
hitting wall on that is brutal.
This reads like a manifestation of generic improvebruh ideology, tbh. It at least looks like it's written by the same drives and values.>>260123>Let 5 years go by, suddenly you're visiting family and all of your cousins are married w/ kids or at least dating - and it hits you. You're living a fantasy that falls apart the minute you step back into the outside world.
lol this feels like the exact kind of thing that goes through normalfags heads when they freak out over not having done anything with their lives. A part of it still lives to a certain degree in most of us here, but it's better to starve it than to feed it and identify with it.
>The Internet is not a companion. Fictional characters are ideal companions but they don't exist.
What does the internet and fictional characters even have anything to do with each other?
>We've covered the problems and a solution: get off the internet.
I constantly get angry with wizchan and leave it, but I always have to eventually come back or I started feeling solipsistic. I don't believe in personally engaging in social and human relationships, but I gotta interact with people and see them argue over the most pointless things to avoid descending deeper into the true abyss that swallows all light beyond the great gate lies his abominable form o' woe is you old ruling One i shall never forgive your wailing, and this is the only corner of the internet that I can tolerate.
Why don't you
get off the internet already and stop complaining about it in it? (And the problem isn't even the internet in itself, but what the decadent bourgeoisie turned it into. Go outside and look at the world and it's the exact same thing. The internet didn't inherently have to turn into to the hellhole it was turned into.)
Anyway, I'll agree with you guys that internet addiction can get in the way of the things I really do wanna spend my very limited time doing, i.e., anime, manga, VNs, etc. (though I mostly get those from the internet to begin with, so I can't be mad at the network of computers sending files to each other in itself). There's just too many of them and I don't know if I can get through all the ones I wanna finish before I die. But I'm also just killing time as I wait for it to in turn kill me, so it's still kind of a win-win. The demiurge can't stop me. He can't keep me away from my waifu for much longer.
without the internet you're forced to be a normalfag so this is a shit thread.
you're supposed to use the internet to get redpilled and then drop the internet and use that knowledge to make your life better and try to find better people to hang out with
>>260144>Why don't you get off the internet already and stop complaining about it in it? (And the problem isn't even the internet in itself, but what the decadent bourgeoisie turned it into. Go outside and look at the world and it's the exact same thing. The internet didn't inherently have to turn into to the hellhole it was turned into.)
This whole thread is complaining about the social and health aspects of the Internet. And don't conflate the "world" with society. This Earth is a beautiful place. The people are the ugly part. An uninhabited section of forest isn't ruined if they haven't colonized it yet. Just like a website isn't ruined by normies until they find out about it and colonize it.>I can't be mad at the network of computers sending files to each other in itself
Neither can I. Technologically, the Internet is better than ever. It is bigger and faster than ever, with some first world home networks pulling 25 Gbps down. We can kill motherfuckers on Xbox in realistic 4K res without lag or framedropping, torrent movies in a few minutes etc.
Socially, it's worse than ever because it is filled with idiots. The level of discourse has fallen since ~2012 when smartphones took off. Anybody with a pocket phone can tweet their raw frustration no matter where they are and then wonder why they got fired for it. They never learned the old "write it down and let it sit overnight. if you still feel that way, send it. if not, destroy it." 99% of the time it would be destroyed. They don't THINK. It's 1 kneejerk reaction after the next. That and the increasing censorshit and antifeatures appearing on the web daily are what sucks about the internet. At least flame wars on IRC or Usenet are intelligent to a degree and there's no big algo feeding you more agitprop. Even then, it's ultimately a waste of time.
I can see how this thread derailed in this way. Let me rephrase it. The way the internet used to be has changed. This has been pointed out with the rise of smartphones.
However, with low barriers, everything got infested with normal stuff. Some of us are wagies and some of us are neets. Where do you go when you are locked away for 8h a day and try to disconnect from reality? Where do you go when your media became infested with ideas to make it appeal to a bigger crowd for money?
My point is, it became way too hard to balance and truly escape from this. Spend too much time online and these abstractions make you miserable. Spend too much time outside and it makes you miserable on a different level. To me, the joy has been squeezed out of everything.
Sooner or later, with too much exposure to it, I find myself tabbing between the same 5 sites or the same few apps. Everything is just engineered to steal your time, bait you into engaging with stupid mindless shit and it's literally a form of labor you do for free with the illusion you are missing out, gradually moving the goalposts of stimulation.
It may or may not be a sign of age, when you've seen it all and see patterns where people don't.
How do you do it?
>>260182>It may or may not be a sign of age, when you've seen it all and see patterns where people don't.
I've pondered this. But we're wizards, not elderly men with one foot in the grave. I can't put it solely down to age.
please take your advice and go hang out with your real life /pol/ "frens", normalshit
the internet has always been for sharing software from day one, of course your crab mind rejects it for its not suitable breeding habitat>>260184
normans are not even stealth posting at this point
escape further to the depths of your mind and comfy digital world, they are trying to stop that because once a wizzie is gone they cannot reach him.
/jp/ bought you as much time as they could so go now wizzie, go and don't look back
Proper discussion of this thread topic would break rules or come very close to it.
Why? Cause the only people against tech will push the anti-neet angle?
>>260180>Life is better because our internet is better.
Truly a shell of a human being, wizards in ancient times found solace in accumulating knowledge, reading, dedicating their lives to philosophy or arts, now "wizards" just think about how much retarded media they can consooom before dropping dead.
Nice strawman, faggot. I never said any such thing. You can still use the Internet as an information superhighway. No one's stopping you. Nor is anyone stopping me from using it to play Halo with my clanmates until we're red in the eyes. Nice no true wizard fallacy as well.
Kinda, maybe Gen Z has no context for it but the internet was an alternate world for outcasts which they used to build their own worlds with other people which stretched out into reality. You can't really do that anymore since the normalfags invaded.
How did wizards live before the internet? Did it really have that great of an effect on the wizard psyche?
Books, long walks, puzzles, books, books. Kaczynski is the most famous example of a boomer wizard, or at least as close as we'll get to a living example. His cabin was just filled with books.
Or like the guy from the Confederacy of Dunces. He's an example of a NEET man-child pre-internet. He just did a bullshit medieval history degree and fucks around in his home town, relying on his mommy to do everything for him.
nice to see the monk larp thing is still alive. I did not know being a sanctimonious asshole was part of that lifestyle though. Sounds like a waste of time you could dedicate to reading philosophy™ or doing arts™ n shit. It does lose its appeal when you can no longer humble brag on the internet doesn't it.>>260221>>260222>>260228
And TV/radio/newspapers/magazines/comic books, but I know no one will acknowledge it because it's impure easy to consume entertainment.
If i was supreme dictator i'd find some way to bring back dial up cables. I don't care how dumb it sounds. i guarantee you the net would improve somewhat if you just made it slightly inconvenient to get back on again.
yeah, we always forget about old mediums. TV and Radio were pretty insufferable pre-1980, only during prime time could you get somewhat some entertainment. Comic books were a kids thing back then as well and were very immature, this is before the 80s grimdark stuff made them more adult. After the age of 18 you weren't really going to derive entertainment from them (Although there were some obsessive comic book guy types).
The reason you had Star Trek and Star Wars fandoms was because there was so little good entertainment for nerds to latch onto. The TOS is unwatchable at this point, yet it was considered amazing shit when it came out.
Radio wasn't passive entertainment either, it was something in the background when you did other shit.
Not even a Star Trek nerd but TOS is amazing. Special effects are obviously laughable now but the storylines are great.
>>260277>Comic books were a kids thing back then as well and were very immature
>(Although there were some obsessive comic book guy types)
>The TOS is unwatchable at this point
Am I on an imageboard or some normalfag social media platform?