Stop being an NPC who thinks this is all debunked because he saw a short livestream/youtube clip on the topic and actually state which studies you have a problem with. Your opponent has actually posted sources and you haven't
Something that needs to be observed is most people here are probably too stupid to realize that predisposing factors and exposure effects AREN'T mutually exclusive. In fact it's basically certain that SOME people have the good genetic luck of being able to fap to porn as much as they want and never have a problem. Many other people, however, seem to have vulnerabilities in their arousal system, so that frequent exposure to porn will interact with their neurology in a way that fucks up arousability, leading to low libido and possibly impotence. These people do need to stay away from porn to maintain normal sexual function, or at least very carefully limit and control their interactions with it. But since these same people probably have impulse control problems they should stay away completely.
>>268698>SOME people have the good genetic luck of being able to fap to porn as much as they want and never have a problem.
Sounds fucking retarded.
Really? Why is that? Do you not understand the reality of pervasive individual differences, in all traits, underlain by genetic variation? Peter Frost points out that people from populations that are highly polygynous over their evolutionary history are probably a lot less likely to have negative effects from porn use. Why? Because they're genetically adapted to high levels of sexual experience and novelty. Why is that not a reasonable possibility, since people genetically vary in everything else? You're the fucking retard.
Why the fuck would there be differences in the most basic thing in the human mind, the desire to breed, that are massive enough to make certain people immune to the negative effects of extreme porn usage? You're just using pseudo-science to larp as some aryan who can jack off to [retard fetish] all day without becoming braindead.
>>268698>These people do need to stay away from porn to maintain normal sexual function
for what purpose? so they can waste more time on watching porn at a later date?
You're so fucking stupid it's painful. "Aryans" would in general be at high risk of negative effects of porn use because they're one of the more monogamous populations. NIGGERS would be at the lowest risk due to their massive polygyny. The complete opposite of the retarded nonsense you're attributing to me. Second, I personally hate porn and have been fucked up by it, so there's no claim from me about being able to use porn without issue. On the other hand I'm not a fucking retard and understand my experience isn't identical to everyone else's, that people vary genetically in everything, and that there's going to be people adapted to hypersexuality who won't have negative effects from porn. Being an idiot who knows nothing you think there are no adaptive differences in people's developmental investments in sexuality and sexual behavior. Guess you're too dumb to know people are adapted to different mating strategies, with the more monogamous ones lacking the hypersexuality of, say, niggers who fuck 200 succubi before they turn 30.
You've proven exzctly my point, that people here and largely catastrophically retarded and cannot get beyond the simple idiot dichotomy of "porn bad for all" or "porn perfectly good for all."
Maybe read at least the recent posts itt so you have a small chance of posting totally retarded shit.
if you read the OP,>Fapping was one of the few simple pleasures I had, being a super loser, and now it's just a miserable chore.
Fighting wars in the name of the faith was considered christian virtue for a long while. Who says there can't be new interpretations?>>268647
I don't give a doggy crap about these cheap propaganda articles. I'm sure if I bothered I could find at least 10 scientific articles about why masturbation/porn is good for you. But I grew out of using pseduo-scientific propaganda to justify my arguments a long ago. You should hurry up and follow in my footsteps too.
The best argument against nofap/noporn is still related to sex. If masturbation is bad then shouldn't sex be even more destructive considering it's supposedly much more stimulating?>>268652
You whine about masturbation and porn through the entire thread and then you say not having a sex drive is bad, why again? Why should people have a sex drive if they supposedly don't want to masturbate? Maybe you are a failed norm and want to have a family some day soon?
If you are tormented by your sex drive so much then you should do what I did and masturbate to porn as much as you can. That will kill your sex drive probably sooner or later and you can become free. Or isn't that what this belly-aching of a thread is about?>>268689
You really betray yourself with your anti-hedonist narrative. You are some conservative failed cuck who wants to have a wifey and children instead of masturbating in his room like a proper wiz. Good Lord.
that sounds highly theoretical even though I agree in principle. There just hasn't been anything evolutionarily comparable to modern Porn addiction. Even in polygamous societies I highly doubt young men were cooming 1-2 times every single day for years.
It also doesn't negate the finding that chronic masturbators have smaller brain sizes, which is the most important takeaway of this whole discussion. Chicken-egg or not, if you spend a lot of time looking at porn your brain will be smaller on average
I know what that is but i still dont understand
>>268755>Chicken-egg or not, if you spend a lot of time looking at porn your brain will be smaller on average
isn't it obvious that somebody in that statistic has the ability to stop looking at porn so much?
Libido did decrease for me after a couple of days. Nowadays I can easily go two weeks without the slightest of urge. Keep it up.
All this Sexuality shit is truly the worst that has ever happened in my Life.
You grow up and suddenly your dick has additional demands, need to cum and empty those Balls. Then they refill and you do it again and that repeats until you get old as fuck and die.
But just jerking off isnt enough, you also need to stimulate your brain to get off so you have to look at Porn and waste time looking for it.
Fapping is a chore and no different than having to shit and piss constantly, or having to sleep and to eat/drink. Just another pointless chore you have to do to get through the day in this pointless shitty coded simulation of a flesh prison we call reality.
If you try to opt out of fapping your body will make you crazy with his endless demands and eventually you have to do it even if you dont enjoy it at all.
You can also structure your life around washing your dick with cold water to get the urges to go away or work out until you fall asleep from exhaustion.
Either way you are wasting your time trying to deal with these urges.
If you somehow got rid of these urges without crippling yourself then you should consider yourself lucky.
I've never been a regular user of porn but ive been orgasming almost every day since i was 10 years old or so (or even younger). So your hypothesis about linking porn to masturbation frequency seems ridiculous to me
Middle path: masturbate once a day, without porn, limit it to 15 minutes, and if you don't finish save it for tomorrow. It becomes more mechanical-biological, like hunger, and expelling excrement. Sounds like you're doing the fatguy equivalent of eating anytime you don't feel calm and happy.
what says is true>>268770
coming once or twice a day is fine. i think its the porn that is more damaging. if in pre-modern society a rich man might have a harem of 6 succubi, I see no reason to not believe in cumming more than 2x a day. The problem is from the hyperreal experience of flashing imagery, quickly changing scenes and partners, in my non expert opinion
masturbation is the process causing hypofrontality and dopamine downregulation. I doubt looking at porn alone without fapping is going to harm you
i hear more often of sex and porn addicts than masterbation addicts, furthermore, ejaculating 1x a day is healthy for prostate
also porn lets you get way higher than masterbating, without porn i wouldnt masterbate 12x times a day, but i would watch porn and jerk off that many times and try to cum
doesnt work like that at all for me. dont know what porn you guys are finding
its not immediate, right now i am not pornmaxxed so I can cum probably 2-5 times over 24 hours and ill try unsuccessfully to masterbate 1 or 2 times extra over the same period. i have to push myself to hit 12x, and its not normal its max. i think normal is 1x and no porn, but its hard to return from such a far state
the way it works is it feeds the desire and comulsion to masterbate, is what i mean. thats self-evident, in my experience, because no one masterbates less without porn
Kind of confused on what you're describing. When I jack off to porn it seems to drain me. When I jack off to imagination I can jack off more times per day and I'm hornier. I interpret this as being in line with the idea of porn having negative effects on arousal, as found for instance in the study described here >>268661
. Are you saying you experience the opposite?
that study is time-period, if you let people take more and more they will increase usage, if you restrict to time or number of uses they cant
porn drains me for a few hours, my refractory period and my desire to cum again both go down when i cum more often, and using porn encorages me to cum more often. not sure whats so confusing.
If I don't jack off and cum at least 3 times a day, I become a simp and I can't stop thinking about beautiful succubi.
do you use porn or fantasy?
Why do you use porn to cum so much if it drains you? Sounds like you my screw yourself up.
i just do stuff because i dont have much else to do, so porn and movies and jacking off ends up taking a lot of time.
Everyone who ends up like a NEET without ambition, locked in a room and wasting time doing useless bullshit is to become >>268791
. It's only natural. You need to be busy with something brain or muscle intensive to avoid the desire to jerk off.
That's why I say that while you're still relatively young and have at least some possibilities go for them in the name of magic. If everyone locks up in a jerking room for the rest of days who'll indoctrinate and promote magic?
Remember: wizardy is not about being failed, wizardy is about preserving virginity.
Why not just maximize porn and masturbation? Once I used to be a chronic masturbator and porn addict but thanks to that I grew bored of this whole thing naturally. If you indulge a desire for too long and too much you will eventually come to despise it and will lose interest in it.
I became the monk I am nowadays (the last time I masturbated was around 2016 if I remember right) this way. I can read or watch anything that has porn or erotic parts in it and I don't get any erections at all. I lost interest in sexuality completely. Instead I spend my time reading books and watching movies.
Wizzies please help. I'm on about 9 days without porn. Libido is starting to go crazy. Even after I jack off to fantasies in my head, there is a strong urge to look at porn and I get an adrenaline rush when I think about doing it. I don't want to fuck this up, anyone have advice to not give in to temptation?
Unironically a twelve step program and a sponsor. I believe in you wizzie
Don't touch it wiz, it's the secret.
Maybe its just me and my dick but 15 minutes fapping is not enough for some reason. If I only fap for 15 minutes not all the cum will come out. Its like taking a piss but not emptying your entire bladder. To get the balls really empty I need 1 to 2 hours of fapping daily.
Also how is >without porn
going to work? What am I supposed to jerk off to? Floortiles? My imagination about zero sex experience in the real world? Thinking about Porn I have seen?
you get better at over time. The important part is to stop rationalizing porn as normal
>>268880>The important part is to stop rationalizing porn as normal
It 100% is.
As the genitals are stimulated, mucosa is released. A witch's body gets slimy inside to lubricate, and a wizard's wand has the same mucosa glans inside as a byproduct of shared anatomy. As the wizard faps, the secretions flood the testicles, mixing with semen. This is why longer faps give bigger loads. It's not that you're emptying your balls of its cum surplus by fapping to loli for 2 hours; it's rather a matter of you flooding your balls with stuff that wasn't there to begin with then blowing most of it out.
When you fap every day, your load will be small because your orbs haven't had time to produce more jizz, giving the illusion of a half-load
When you fap every day, your balls will feels sore and bloated as they swell from the physical strain of pumping without time to repair, giving the illusion that they are full
Don't fap for 8 days and you'll see and feel what a real load is. You are torturing your balls by having them pump thick snot.
>What am I supposed to jerk off to?
It is not.
>>268879>Also how is >without porn
going to work? What am I supposed to jerk off to? Floortiles? My imagination about zero sex experience in the real world? Thinking about Porn I have seen?
wtf. your whole life you used porn, even when you were a child? Maybe for the first time im seeing that porn really is doing something crazy to people because that sounds insane to me. I did it when i was ~8 years old and obviously had no sex experience or porn knowledge so I cant understand how you think you need it
do you seriously not have the ability to imagine original things, things you haven't seen or heard before? I've been fapping to stuff spontaneously generated in my mind's eye since going off of porn.
>>268882>When you fap every day, your load will be small
Nope, its huge loads every fucking day.
If I dont jerk it for some days its gonna be even worse.> When you fap every day, your balls will feels sore and bloated
Never had this issue.>>268884
So what am I supposed to jerk off to?>>268889
I watch Porn so I dont have to imagine any of this shit.
I fucking hate thinking about anything sex related so why would I sit there and imagine this?
I‘m glad when its over and I have a bit of peace from the fapping menace.
Are you the 33 yo wiz who said in the other thread you lost a job because of horniness screwing with your mind? Based on what you've described I think you have hyperspermia, which is known to go with high sex drive: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperspermia
If I were you I'd just try to enjoy it lol. Take it from me who used to have to jack it 5+ times a day to stay sane, and who also was so horny I had to jack it more than once a shift in the work bathroom when I still had a job: I wish I could have that level of horniness again. Maybe if I do what the wizzes here are saying about going off porn it'll come back. I do feel like the problem is too much porn.
I guess thats what I have and its not as fun as you imagine. jerking off became an annoying chore over the years and I dont enjoy doing it, its distracting, its turning my living space into a sticky smelly mess and its impossible to accomplish anything its draining me and thats not even the only problem, the problems grow out of this like
Its hard finding underwear and pants in which my oversized genitalia fits comfortably. I'm always wondering how visible that bulge is when I walk around and I have to walk manually and watch out at what speed I move or else my dick will rub too much on my pants and trigger it. everytime my cock gets hard even for a short moment it will begin to ooze out precum, this accumulates all around the abnormal sized glans. I have to wash my dick very often or else it begins to smell. the precum leaves stains in my underwear and can even reach my pants. I have to piss a lot too and because my oversized dick its almost impossible to get all the drops out. sometimes after a piss I shake my dick and put it away but then it like squirts or oozes pissdrops out after I begin walking out the bathroom. I can feel that piss and it also stains my underwear and even my pants and adds to the smell.
if I dont wash my clothes for a week I reek like old dried cum mixed with piss. I also start to sweat very easily around the crotch area. my balls are incredibly smelly too.
after a shower it takes like 5 minutes until my entire crotch area feels sweaty and dirty again.
my pubic hair is also growing out of control, its very dense and grows very fast funny I'm balding on my head and I dont have the headshape to pull of baldness, anyway the pubic hair adds to the volume and it gets in the way too and adds to the volume. I have to cut it down every other day.
its not possible to live a "normal" life in society like this, I cant hold down a job, I cant really focus on anything and learn something. I forget fast once I get horny and it happens all throughout the day and the night.
getting horny makes me feel dizzy and lightheaded and like I'm getting really tired too if the boner persists too long.
Looks like a nice story, just say honestly are you attention-fagging?>>268911
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