Are you in the USA?
Get forklift certified (this way you can make around $20/h and won't have to do as much physical labor) and work nights at some warehouse but make sure you get one of those jobs that are 10hours a day but only 4 days a week. The other 3 days of the week teach yourself web dev stuff.
If you find coding too boring or hard, then find a local technical school and within 6-12 months you can get the training to become an industrial maintenance man for factories… they make like $28-35 an hour and do crap like resetting the conveyor belts or installing shit in warehouses.
…also because there's a trucker shortage places like Walmart are guaranteed hiring and paying for people's training to become truckers.
in my area, they will pay the full cost of training and they end up make $85k/year
it's kind of a stressful/boring job though
but at least you're alone most of the time
unfortunately i live in a shit smelly third world country so some of those things you mentioned are not available here but thank you for the advice anyway brother
the thing most people do in my country is just learn to code, or learn 3d modeling, anything in tech really, and then apply for jobs abroad so they can leave, all my school friends did something like this as far as i know
i tried, many times, but its so fucking boring to learn by yourself, or maybe im sick in the head, i dont know
by the way, i worked some night jobs, in a library and a gas station once, they were my favorites but i really wish they paid more, its awful
i don't think there's much hope, i've more of less consigned myself to low wages and misery
if you weren't born with a trust fund, didn't have parents who trained you & set you up with skills and knowledge related to career attainment, or you squandered your 20s passively consuming media while being NEET/psuedo-neet the whole time, you're pretty much shit out of luck
coding is boring as hell, but I guess if you're desperate enough, you could learn how, and I've seen people talk about "how I landed a developer job after learning to code in my 30s" but those guys are rare and usually were already properly socialized and had career experience to begin with
the only alternative (besides going back to school and somehow getting a random white collar career) is doing some completely absurd goofy stuff like getting rich gambling on crypto/stocks, writing a book or entire franchise that somehow gets popular, or finding a weird untapped youtube/podcast niche and somehow make money off of that… idk
>>265145> squandered your 20s passively consuming media while being NEET/psuedo-neet the whole time
im halfway there
t. pseudo neeting
I just keep thinking how fucking unfair all of it is
If I was lucky enough to be born to good parents I would've had a chance at a career since a young age, I would've actually had the time and the resources to find something to do with my life
Why am I hit with this sudden realization that I will never do anything meaningful when I'm in the middle of my fucking thirties why was i born in this monopoly
>>265135> 30 years old> smelly third world country
Even animals in 1st world country have better life, you just doomed for failure. at least you tried your best get over it.
The amount of parents that successfully push their kids into pursing a career is pretty fucking narrow, I've noticed. Everyone I knew from school had the "study what you want, it doesn't matter what degree you get", so inevitably everyone that got meme degrees ended up fucked and working at gas stations. Asian countries have the "doctor or engineer only", but they overkill it by being too inelastic with what's possible. Truth is most boomers are ignorant about the state of the economy and market and don't know themselves what the kids should do.
Ironically that 4chan jpg that floated around online showing which careers are god tier and which are shit tier would be useful if plastered in the classroom and given as career advice. But artfags don't like seeing English literature and meme degrees at the bottom in shit tier so they obfuscate the worthlessness of those degrees.
Trades is kind of a meme tho, reddit has been pushing the trades meme too hard like there's trades jobs everywhere.
It's like any other job tho, you need experience and connections to land it. My welder friend in california has been looking for a welding job for year with no luck
It's amazing how better my life could have been if I received proper education and training, I've known people that look s lot More dysfunctional and weird than me, bit since they were given the opportunity to get some high quality education they developed certain skills that make life easier for them, the kind of skills that you can't actually get unless you come from a privileged (not necessarily wealthy, but healthy) backgrounds.
Society should either give people like us the opportunity to get free money to live somewhat decent lives without doing anything or a way to kill ourselves easily, what's the fucking point of being born just to suffer for things that are not even our fault? Isn't that reason enough to provide a suicide method?
It's crazy to think how much worse or better of we could have been. A roll of the dice: you're a beautiful, rich, f3male. The dice lands slightly off: you're a starving African child trying to find food in a garbage dump. It's really hard to fathom just how completely helpless conscious beings are on this planet. You can't control where you were born. You can't control your genetic make-up. You can't control what other beings will be around you. With the number of things you can't control its almost hard to say whether we actually make choices at all. Or whether everything we do is just a consequence of what already happened before us. It makes me uncomfortable imagining a situation where I'm alive again in another body / environment and suffering even more. I really hope that's not possible.
I agree with you both really, life is really unfair and pointless.
Grass is always greener on the other side guys.
I have received pretty extensive education in a very competitive field. I have developed severe depression, anxiety, insomnia and low self esteem throughout the years.
Idk there are some wizards who enjoy education but those kind I've always doubted. There is nothing wizardly about regurgitating insane amounts of dull and unnecessary information for years and years.
You guys probably think university is like this epic place where you elevate your IQ points, when in reality it's quite literally high school 2.0
>>265292>>265292>I have received pretty extensive education in a very competitive field. I have developed severe depression, anxiety, insomnia and low self esteem throughout the years.
At least you have the tools to try to do something with your life, you can always fail and be unhappy, but the tools are there.
A lot of us have to deal with the exact same shit with the difference being that we don't even have the tolos to improve our lifes, we're fucked and honestly at this point suicide seems like the most rational option.
Tools for? Getting a slightly or even sometimes lower paying office job with terrible gossipy coworkers? Yeah idk… grass is always greener. I've been fantasizing about being a gardener or smth.
When I was younger I didn't know what to do with my life and my parents were the kind of people who were like 'well, now you've finished high school you have to find a job or go to university' while offering no guidance on either. They had never gone to university themselves and both were low paid wage cucks. Shitty, retarded parents who had no business raising kids, but I had no guidance so I chose to go to uni. Turns out when you're depressed and unfocused uni is impossible.
Endless boring loops to jump through. Endlessly having to stick to some bullshit schedule and make sure things are done exactly the right way each time. Do these quizzes every day, then this amount of reading, then other exercises, then practice tests, then book tests, then talk on the forums for certain marks, then assignments, then group studies… I was a distance learning student studying online and you know what: keeping track of all the shit you have to in online learning with their horrible fucking software and disorganized information is honestly harder than any senior level job you land.
Well I dropped out and my boomer parents were fuming. Thought I'd basically given up but I just needed time for a new plan. Based on what I went through I am impressed by anyone who can put up with the pain of a degree. It's honestly the worst environment for learning I've ever encountered.
You sound like a spoiled and petulant child. I feel ashamed for your parents.
>>265382>I was a distance learning student studying online
Kek, I'm also an online student. I just want to get this shit over with so I can move on with my life. Only have a year left until graduation.
No, I think you're just a pushover without a clue. Loud, stupid, and wrong. As per usual. If I were to have kids the most fundamental thing I could do as a parent would be to prepare them for the real world. If you haven't managed to do that in the decades+ that the kid lives with you then you've failed as a parent. Simple as. It's so simple in fact – that even animals manage to do it right. But somehow – when it comes to people – they all manage to fuck it up.
If I were a parent you can bet I would give my kids pragmatic career advice; Advice on where to find top-tier jobs; what jobs might be worth applying for given a person's temperament; making introductions if they want to work in my industry; and so on. I would teach them practical life skills, too. So that they wouldn't be hopelessly underprepared like so many people. I would ensure they had basic housing and resources in place while they learned advanced skills to be able to participate in the economy. These are basic standards to have in place BEFORE deciding to have children. Yet, somehow every parent I meet can barely see 2 feet in front of them.
You conclude that I'm a spoiled child and my parents must feel ashamed of me. But you're just a loud-mouthed retard. You don't know shit about me or my family. Outside of /wiz/ I am successful. What pisses me off is my success was IN SPITE of having incompetent, abusive parents. Everything my parents did made it harder for me to succeed and I'm not alone in this feeling. From what I can see most people IN GENERAL are unfit to be parents. Even though it would be so very simple to say: 'well, honey, we aren't in the best financial shape. Let's NOT have kids.' People still do though. Fucking idiots.
You're just an entitled piece of shit, your parents came from poverty and wanted the best for you and you spat in their face by dropping out. Your the problem not them.
you're a mega retard. you get the degree to signal that you can sit down and finish something. this is the ONLY thing the employers care about. they don't give a fuck about anything else; especially what you studied. get the degree or go off the grid; but you need to become self sustainable. you sound like a piece of shit.
"It's my parents' fault I can't do anything."
My parents didn't do anything with regards to guidance or discipline. My sister was abused and lived in a group home at 20. I was working as a bartender in my 20's and had a trash lifestyle that was going nowhere. One day, I decided I'd had enough and decided to buckle down and work for a job I wanted.
In the end, you can blame others all you want, but moment to moment, you're the one who chooses how to live your life.
Me again. I meant my sister lived in a group home at 14. It's a little different.
>>265131>I get rejected because I have no idea how to talk to people.
Try not to communicate with them on a personal level. Focus on the job, the tasks you will be required to do, and communicate on how you would complete said tasks/troubleshoot issues.
RIP your sister's sanity and well-being.
I'm 21 and have no degree, I am so totally fucked lol.
CS is gay anyway. I wish I had stuck with mechanical engineering.
same here, I just turned 21.
I wish I was 21, I'm 26 and with a degree and what normals consider a "decent" job, I would change all of that if I could go back to being 21 again.
Every year it gets worse, honestly people like us should commit suicide at 25 when shit starts being truly unbeareable.
Yknow I keep seeing the same pattern from oldfags and how I should live and experience life. But without motivation or any drive, it doesn't really matter. Everything feels like a chore nowadays. I don't see whats the problem with getting older besides health issues.
Thank you for reminding me why I left this board. I'm 30 and I will never point fingers at someone else again.
breeders think with their genitals and that's all there is to be said about them. They're just robots that want to be useful for society. No logic, no long term planning, just shooting cum in a hole like you do with a grenade, and then you hope it doesn't blow up in your face. And they all want a retirement plan, too.