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 No.266183[Last 50 Posts]

Post here when you don't have enough to say for a topic and it's too depressing for the general crawl thread.

Previous: >>264870

 No.266186

All the world become to me on a platter, only for me to lose myself to alcohol again. I am a savage not a saint. I'm barely holding on, teetering toward total disaster I make my stand and lose my stake. And - I'd rather wither drunk and dim than a character of virtue and that's always been a defective part of my character. Though I know better I cannot stop for the I'll respite and the melancholy. Desire simply consumes my mind on a throne of corruption and envy. I still wish the world would grant me my kingdom for my flaws.

 No.266193

>>266183
I hate my family for getting pets and refusing to take care of them. I want to beat their old, raggedy boomer heads in every time the dog is moaning and crying and they just sit watching TV.

 No.266194

Insomnia getting worse, just want to sleep.

 No.266195

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There is a form of existence that is happiness, that is love, that is glory. You're just locked out of it. Some have the capacity to experience it, some are content without it, and you just don't get either. The knowledge of it is inside you but you have no capacity to get to it. We are the true slaves in this existence, the spiritually incapable. Demiurge, screw you!

 No.266197

>>266195
>There is a form of existence that is happiness, that is love, that is glory
Sometimes it doesn't feel like such a state could possibly exist, but some people sure act as if it does.

 No.266203

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*You hear a short burst of static as you recieve a transmission from your radio* This is agent 2091, requesting immediate backup! There are too many norms, I'm pinned down here! Ammo supply is running low…No! Stay back, get away! *You hear the sound of something clattering, along with the sound of screaming and ripping flesh in the distance. The transmission ends*

 No.266204

I'm probably the most braindead wiz in this whole fucking site. After my gaming PC died in 2011 I basically stopped playing video games except for some simple SNES emulator and dumb flash games. I basically stopped watching anime too. So for the past 11 fucking years I've been doing nothing but browsing imageboards, watching youtube and reading wikipedia. 11 FUCKING YEARS! Is my brain rotten or something? Fuck what a waste of life.

 No.266206

>>266204

Sounds like a serious case of depression wiz, you are definitely in the right place here.

Read Bukowski. He writes about basically spending his life in a soul crushing repetitive job with asshole bosses in places like the postal service for very little money.

Here is an example of one of his poems called "Spark":

"I always resented all the years, the hours, the minutes I gave them as a working stiff, it actually hurt my head, my insides, it made me dizzy and a bit crazy - I couldn't understand the murdering of my years.

I resented each minute, every minute as it was mutilated and nothing relieved the monotony. I considered suicide. I drank away my few leisure hours. I worked for decades.

I lived with the worst kind of succubi, they killed what the job failed to kill."


All his poems are like that, very short and easy to read.

 No.266207

Every time things get a little bit better and I start to think "Hey maybe being alive isn't such a nightmare" something happens and I remember why I want to kill myself.

This is such a fucking joke,someone should just put a bullet in my head and get this over with, I bet that not even the christian hell is this awful.

 No.266209

>>266204
>After my gaming PC died in 2011 I basically stopped playing video games except for some simple SNES emulator

If this makes you feel better, I unironically think that's an improvement. Modern gaming is overrated and it's expensive af. There is nothing wrong about playing / reading / listening to mostly old stuff, this trend about "only playing the new and shiny stuff" it's pure marketing. Forget about that and enjoy retro gaming, there are really good games.

 No.266210

>>266204
you haven't missed much, the 2010s was an abhorrently bad decade for entertainment

 No.266211

>>266207
It's a repeating vicious cycle, life deludes you with easing you off from horrible shit, so you become a little happy and then shit hits the fan, again and again…

 No.266218

>>266204
I also use the same computer from 2014 who barely handles any games and I’m neet since 2016 and only watches youtube videos as well. We both wasted our lives with not even playing newest games.

 No.266222

>>266193
I hate this too. I think most people neglect their pets. I wish pets were restricted to people who prove they can take care of them, and fuck breeders.

 No.266224

>>266193
Feel bad for you wizzie, dogs are the worst.

 No.266230

>>266204
That's pretty dumb. But I did the same thing. I spent 7 years doing nothing but masturbating, listening to music (the same music btw), sleeping and browsing chans.

It's never too late to start doing something more rewarding and to explore new things.
Just some extra word of advice: don't get into philosophy, politics, occultism/religions, history or anything too intellectual as a hobby. I recommend simply reading or watching entertaining things. Watch movies or read books with actual stories. I regret wasting my time playing the cool intellectual hermit when I could have just watched more anime and enjoyed myself way more.

>>266203
RIP Agent 2091. We'll miss you. You fought the good fight. The norms be damned.

>>266207
Just realize that life is a roller coaster. Enjoy the good while you can and always be prepared for the worst. There is nothing you can do. You are just a product of chance, fate, circumstance. You are at the mercy of the universe and it doesn't care.

 No.266260

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Went to a doctor today and he said my symptoms are indicative of some kind of cancer. He's going to order some tests.

Oh well lads! It's been fun. (it hasn't. it's been horrible. good fuckin riddance)

 No.266264

>>266260
>my symptoms
What are they?

 No.266265

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>>266260
Its legit medical malpractice to plant an idea like that in a patient's head before any testing….

But if you do end up having terminal cancer enjoy the morphine/fentanyl and don't torture yourself with fruitless life extensions procedures, all they do is turn what remains of your life into pure hell. Death more than likely isn't too big of a deal since we have all escaped the void once already so chances are it will happen again.

 No.266266

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rebooting.

 No.266267

>>266265
He didn't say it was definitely cancer. He said the symptoms fit cancer as his best guess.


Anyway. I've been thinking. Lets say the cancer is early stage and I beat it. What is my reward? The same shitty life I had before. There's no winning. I hope someone puts me out of my fucking misery right now. I'm going to beg my doctor for 10 mg of fentanyl

 No.266274

How the fuck do I get offline? I don't enjoy it here but I have this compulsion to look at porn and sink all my spare time into the internet.

I literally smash computers to try and escape, but during depressive moments I'll buy cheap $100-200 replacements from a pawn shop.

 No.266276

>>266274
I don't think you can, not trying to bullshit you or anything but you're conditioned on the internet and computers for too long of your life. That means its part of your life now and leaving it would be like going into the wilderness butt naked having no clue whats going on. I suggest you use moderation with online and take some breaks once and awhile, or browse friendly sites.

 No.266278

>>266274
Yeah I lock mine up with padlocks and hide the keys, but I still end up back here consuming internet. I think about replacing it with gaming or something but I don’t like games that much.

 No.266281

Trigger warning: typical anglo/west european families that hate their neet son kick him out despite them being sociopaths

https://www.reddit.com/r/TrueOffMyChest/comments/w82ihk/the_manbaby_is_finally_facing_the_music/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

 No.266282

>>266281
This looks lazily made up to get hits. I've seen greentext stories more credible than this.
Reddit, basically.

 No.266285

>>266274
Find something you want to do more.

 No.266290

>>266281
I just spent a couple hours looking at this sub. Normalfags man… The shit they get up to.

 No.266294

>>266276
It just feels like I'd never be free of the monkey, and that I'm always one bad day from running back here. It seems like real life for me now would just be a pale imitation of the pleasures and infinite information found on here. Even though I fucking hate it here and feel lonely.

 No.266307

>>266274
replace it with another hobby. probably impossible for people with nothing going on in their lives like us though.

 No.266311

>>266294
I don't have friends in real life or online but at least online it's easier to strike up a conversation or find people who share common interests. It depends on where you live but ironically you could try finding local events and shit online.

 No.266340

>>266281
>typical anglo/west european families that hate their neet son kick him out

That's not just anglo/west euros though. It's more like white culture itself. I live in Eastern Europe and people here do this shit too, at least many do. I heard one normal say "I made sure my son got his driver license, finished Uni/college and got a certificate that he can speak english well then I told him ""Well buddy, you are on your own, haha, bye.""

The only exceptions are some religious people like my family and minority/non-white people who tolerate their son being a NEET. 90% of white families feel the need to shame or to kick out their NEET son. I guess it is the effect of the teutonic aryan prussian work-obsessed calvinist/capitalist ethics that corrupted the whole white race.

 No.266346

>>266340
>I live in Eastern Europe
Which part?

 No.266353

>wake up
>close my eyes and try to go back to sleep more

Does anyone else do this?

 No.266354

>>266353
Yes but mostly because I am for some reason compelled to wake at ungodly hours.

 No.266359

>>266346
Hungary.

 No.266362

>>266340
This is something I don't understand, in Latin America and Asia is perfectly normal for the sons to live with their parents even if they're 35 (as long as they have a job), a lot of people modify their houses to allow for their kids to live under the same roof.

 No.266366

I broke my phone during a psychotic episode. I don't have a job, thus I don't have money to buy a new one.

 No.266367

>>266281
I know this is probably a made up story, but the responses to it are so unbelievably vile. It's like in the eyes of normies being a loser is a greater moral wrong than being a pedophile or a serial killer.

There are only a couple posts showing any compassion for this guy or suggesting this might be caused by something other than "laziness" and they're at the bottom of the thread.

 No.266369

>>266367
if it was a succubus though, their parents wouldnt have ever made that post (made up or not) and if they did the responses would be very different, so its not just being a loser, its specifically being a low status male loser that really sets normalfags off
subhumans, simple as, fuck them

 No.266370

>>266369
succubi can't be losers, goes without saying. I've actually come across a few succubi like this, they invariably live with some man that works all day while they stay home on discord or ffxiv flirting with random dudes and bitching about him.

 No.266371

anyone depressed to the point of exhaustion? everything and everyone feels so tiring to me and being alone feels more like a gift then a curse nowadays.

 No.266372


 No.266386

What's a better timing to sudoku, before the holidays or afterwards? Before the holidays means your family will have shitty/awkward holidays. But doing it afterwards in the new year means they will start the new year with their son/brother having committed sudoku. I know that for myself it won't matter obviously, but I'm just wondering what's the most logical thing to do.

 No.266388

>>266386
There's no correct answer, both of the options will make them feel like shit. Don't waste your time pondering this and just an hero when you feel it.

 No.266389

>>266362
From what I see and hear, even if the son is NEET it is a custom among non-whites to support their family member. Here gypsies basically don't work, they are NEETs or criminals, do drugs all day and similar shit yet their family always stands by them.

Family ties and blood relations among whites aren't held in high regard compared to other races, whites care more about the majority opinion and what is acceptable to society on a larger scale. My family is among the exception because my father himself was a NEET for a long time and he is religious too so he doesn't see anything bad about allowing me to be a NEET at home. But other white families? They care about their reputation and what the neighbors would think about them or their son if they learned he was a NEET living with his parents.

Non-white races and cultures still preserved that family/blood is sacred and is more important than anything, even more important than the nation/class/God/society/morality etc.

>>266367
>>266369
>>266370
It is the result of centuries of patriarchy and white knight culture that developed from it, ironically. Males are expected to be always strong, independent and to be "useful" in some way while it is still seen as okay for succubi to do nothing because the majority opinion is that for succubi their most important role is being a sex toy for men.

Most succubi act the way they do - spoiled and condescending - because males encouraged this sort of behavior.

 No.266394

>>266386
You won't do shit

 No.266400

>>266389
patriarchy never existed, stop using feminist gaslighting terminology, however youre right in that men are their own worst enemy and encourage this sort of behaviour by pandering to the opposite sex while simultaneously being hostile to other men, not because they treat succubi as "sex toys" eg more bullshit feminist rhetoric, might as well talk about objectification in video games next

 No.266410

Mother fucker
Bitch
I’m on my way to hell

 No.266419

>>266400
wish I still had that webm of two beetles locking jaws while a third beetle sneaks up and mates with the succubus beetle those two were fighting over

 No.266422

tomorrow might be the day i finally kill myself. it’s getting there, so close now. i feel nothing

 No.266430

>>266422
I also feel I’m getting really close to the day I have to kill myself. That day is gonna be horrible.

 No.266440

>>266388
Yeah I agree, I should focus only on myself and not on others.
>>266394
Cope in‎cel, we're not here for your entertainment.

 No.266441

>>266400
>patriarchy never existed
>not because they treat succubi as "sex toys" eg more bullshit feminist rhetoric

Completely delusional. What do you call hundreds of years of forcing succubi to do what men wanted them to do? That is patriarchy, you can call it other names but it existed. And yes, men think of succubi as sex toys and even most females too think of themselves like that because of patriarchy. Why does the truth offend you?

Succubi believing themselves to be special and demanding better treatment than men IS patriarchy, not feminism. When succubi and men will have equal rights and there won't be any forced gender roles then we can talk about a better world if you ask me. Patriarchy simply demands from men to be strong and useful while it is okay for wymen to be weak and lazy in patriarchy. Patriarchy isn't your friend, no matter what you read on the internet.

 No.266442

>>266441
>When succubi and men will have equal rights and there won't be any forced gender roles then we can talk about a better world if you ask me
You are deluded. The sexual binary is core to human existence. There will never be equal rights because you cannot give equal rights to those who are not equal. Men will never need the protections of maternity leave, succubi will never need to be drafted. It's reality.

 No.266446

>>266442
Wo-men were thought to be inferior to men for centuries. They got equal rights a few centuries ago and they proved that they are capable of most things males can do just as fine or even better. Wymen are doctors, lawyers, judges, politicians, teachers, scientists. This pretty well disproves everything you said.

Succubi weren't drafted ever because of patriarchy. Sexual stereotypes encourage that males are brave and capable while succubi are dumb and cowards. We saw this was a lie too, in Israel wymen get military training too and kurds had many wymens among them when they fought ISIS.

Just accept it. There are no official gender roles unless they are imposed on people.

 No.266448

>>266446
succubi get pregnant and men don't. This simple fact means we will never be equal.

 No.266452

>>266448
That's biology and has nothing to do with equality. You can be equal with someone without being the same as him/her.
How does the fact that succubi get pregnant make them better or worse than us?

 No.266455

>>266452
>better or worse
You’re still not getting it. We are different. We are inherently unequal. Humans didn’t just decide one day that succubi should do this and men should do that, it arose from our differences. And now we are trying to eliminate those differences, but it won’t ever work because like I said, we are inherently different.

If you’d like a book that may help you understand try stranger in a strange land. It’s a pretty good read regardless.

 No.266460

>>266455
I asked how being different biologically in some ways means that we are necessarily unequal.

>Humans didn’t just decide one day that succubi should do this and men should do that

Literally what happened in history.

>And now we are trying to eliminate those differences, but it won’t ever work because like I said, we are inherently different.

It's already working. Wymen have jobs, they drive cars, they study, etc. It's been proven thousand times that gender roles are bullshit.

 No.266461

>>266460
Oh really? Who decided it then? When did they decide it? Did they travel the globe forcing everyone else to do it too?

 No.266464

Today I found out that a customer I didn't get along with at a previous job of mine was stabbed to death. He was a street youth and I was rubbed wrong by their gang. I#m partially relieved because I feel like it's karma on some level but at the same time I'm disgusted with myself for thinking that because he wasn't a completely bad kid.

 No.266465

>>266460
capacity to compete in the goy-conomy rat race is totally irrelevant to the scope of the comparison and reveals your naivete and inexperience. a succubus being able to drive a car and read is not enough to hand wave reality

 No.266466

>>266388
im amazed people still care about their dumb family. my family is the reason im here in the first palce idc what they think or feel.

 No.266467

>>266430
>>266422
uh ive been feeling like that for years but im too scared to kms. i think you guys are as well. its just too hard.

 No.266481

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I've gone from numb, dissociative depression to active, sobbing depression. I'm crying nearly every day now. Please. Let the beings who control my life let off the gas a little.

 No.266482

>>266422
>>266430
I just need a rope to finally do it
I'll do it in the middle of the forest

 No.266483

>>266461
Men decided it, not your average men, but the men who controlled societies that things should be like this.

>>266465
So let's see. There are succubi who are doctors and judges. What about you, my strong "alpha" bro? What did you achieve or do in your life that succs can't imitate? Just a few things are enough. And no, I didn't ask for famous men who achieved this or that, I asked what you achieved personally.

 No.266484

>>266483
I'm convinced you're a succubus.

 No.266485

>>266483
>There are succubi who are doctors and judges. What about you, my strong "alpha" bro? What did you achieve or do in your life that succs can't imitate?
completely missing the point, moron

 No.266487

>>266485
So nothing? Damn, just what I predicted…You think you are superior to succubi, all succubi but can't give a reason why.

>>266484
I'm convinced you don't have any arguments.

 No.266488

>>266487
>You think you are superior to succubi
youre a fucking idiot holy shit. has nothing to do with superiority. youre strawmanning and starting a retarded argument, go crusade against da patriarchy somewhere else

 No.266489

>>266488
It's the same faggot shitting up other threads with his bullshit feminist takes

 No.266529

>>266441
Hundreds of years, so what period of human history are we talking about, could you be more specific? You mean the 20th century with all those poor suffragettes, who were allowed to sit at home in comfort, while millions of men were drafted and riddled with machine gun fire and bayonets and those who didn't were ridiculed by these same privileged succubi who handed out white feathers, telling them to go die in the trenches? Yeah what a patriarchy, the men are definitely on top there. Hmm, I though according to your kind succubi were oppressed since the dawn of time??? Guess what retard, it never existed. Patriarchy theory is no different than white nationalists blaming the Jews for everything. Men are protective and worshipful of succubi, they do not hate succubi, or oppress them. There is no systematic or institutional abuse of succubi, in fact succubi are the most privileged and protected group to ever exist in history. Look at Ukraine today, it's the exact same, gender dynamics do not change, men are forced to stay and fight and die (actual oppression) and succubi are given all the sympathy and allowed to leave. Ironically you're the delusional one, spouting revisionist feminist history based on hatred of the male sex. By the way, female blacksmiths and tradeswomen existed in the middle ages, nobody stopped them, so it's entirely the result of succubi's choices to not enter those occupations and they preferred to sit at home spinning wool not going down into the mines.

>Succubi believing themselves to be special and demanding better treatment than men IS patriarchy, not feminism. When succubi and men will have equal rights and there won't be any forced gender roles then we can talk about a better world if you ask me. Patriarchy simply demands from men to be strong and useful while it is okay for wymen to be weak and lazy in patriarchy.

So like a feminist, rather than blame female agency or the succubi demanding special treatment, you blame men for everything? Yeah checks out, you really don't know what you're talking about, just regurgitating schizo tier theory about da evil menz. succubi do not want equal rights, equal rights means things like signing up for the draft and being conscripted, they do not want this, in fact some feminists were worried to get the vote they would have to sign up to the draft (this was actually why men got the vote in the first place, not hatred of succubi), turns out all they had to do was cry about it and men gave it to them in return for nothing. The patriawchy did not cause this (and if it did succubi got the better deal) but their own choices. That's another thing feminists like to do, pretend succubi had no agency all throughout history to redirect their lack of accomplishments into hatred of men, because it's just a hate movement.


If you want to blame something, you can blame the gender dynamics inherent to the human psyche, that's actually where the gender roles (which only affect men negatively) come from, not some conspiracy nut take on men controlling and abusing succubi for millennias. succubi want men in their gender roles, they want high status providers who act as meat shields, if they don't, they ditch them, this is not some vague and nebulous patriarchy, it's their own (conscious or not) choices. It's okay for succubi to be weak and lazy because counter to your male demonizing patriarchy theory men actually really like succubi, so much so they'll tolerate them being do nothing leeches just to have one around, that's it. This is what you (and millions of other white knight dribblers) call patriarchy, despite the fact the men in this arrangement are obviously socially submissive and them succubi are obviously on top.

 No.266532

>>266529
You should also add the fact that men can’t even show feelings to their partner or they’re considered weak and unmanly and the succubus leaves or get disgusted everytime lol. I fucking hate society and succubi nowadays, I love being alone without anyone telling me how I should live my fucking life.

 No.266533

>>266446
>Succubi weren't drafted ever because of patriarchy.
Imagine being so twisted you type this out unironically, do you know how fucking stupidly dumb and insulting this is? Where is the privilege in being sent to die against your will? Maybe just maybe, society doesn't want to send succubi to die, because like in the US recently with the "dont draft out daughters" campaigns by tradcons and feminists alike (basically the same thing) they don't. succubi also do not want to be drafted, nobody does, unless you're a peabrain meathead (like you). You cannot selectively choose your definition of words, patriarchy implies all men are at fault and demonized, rich or poor, and kept succubi down. Men ARE at fault, for being so casually hostile to their own gender and placating succubi and treating them like goddesses, but not in any world (except for a hateful feminist lying one) is this a "patriarchy".

>We saw this was a lie too, in Israel wymen get military training too and kurds had many wymens among them when they fought ISIS.

Barefaced lying, look at all the succubi in Ukraine jumping shark, leaving their own men behind to die while they scurry off to safety. Despite your handful of simply epic female kurd snipers!!!11!! you saw in a few propaganda pics on reddit, war is not cool and succubi don't fight in them and don't want to, especially since men will jump in front of a bullet for them anyway.

I would try not to be so hostile but really sit and think about the implications of what you said for a moment, men and boys (even potential wizzies) right now as I type are being forced against their will to fight in Ukraine and get blown up by mines and shrapnel and filled with lead, and you have the audacity to suggest these poor fuckers are privileged and exist in a patriarchy? Fuck you, keep your retarded feminist takes to yourself next time dickhead.

 No.266571

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I'm entirely trapped within my home. There is nothing for miles and I don't have a car. if I want to get anything or go anywhere I have to ask my parents. No bars, no restaurants, no stores, nothing and nothing for miles and miles.

There's no bus stops either. No public transit. (You want to ride a bus? what a FAGGOT. get a car loser!). Oh god, I'm going to be fucking sick. Why do people choose to live in these places? There aren't even any fucking BENCHES. Want to sit down? Too fucking bad loser. Get a car. GET A CAR. GET A CAR. GET A CAR. GET A CAR AND A JOB TO PAY FOR GAS OR KILL YOURSELF

 No.266592

>>266571
>I suffer in an USA suburb
100 million third-wordlers would behead their uncles to live like that

 No.266593

>>266571
>No bars
Who cares
>no restaurants
To stuff your face with shit tier slop?
>no stores
Who cares anymore? Everything is online now.

I never understood the hate for burbs among wizard crowds. Middle class suburbs are very comfy. So much space. Lebensraum as some would say. Being packed into claustrophobic cities full of people is disgusting.
Decent suburbs have plenty of amenities btw. Only issue is car centric of course. But if ones life is so slow then what does that matter. Take your time. Drive carefully. Enjoy the wide open living space. Otherwise take the shitty slow public transit that nobody in the burbs uses. It's pretty nice where I am. Again as long as it's actually a real middle class suburb and not some rural shit hole.

 No.266594

>>266592
>behead their uncles
That's why they're third worlders.

 No.266595

>>266593
I clearly said in my posts there are no amenities and I don't own a car. Then you go on to say I should "drive carefully". Are you a bot? It sounds like it. Since your post makes no fucking sense.

 No.266598

>>266594
it takes one celibate man to redeem a whole city.
make of that what you will.

 No.266606

>>266488
Then what does it have to do with? It sure seems like the vast majority of men simply don't want to accept that females can be as competent as them in most things.

>>266529
>>266533
Things started to change drastically from the 19th century and forward. You can call patriarchy anything else and you can pretend that it didn't exist but it was a thing you know and it still has influence in our current world. If you lock someone up in luxury that's still oppression because you are forcing your will onto someone else. I could lock you up in a house and give you good clothes, food and whatever but you would be forced to obey my every single whim and command…what would you call that? That's still oppression.

Patriarchy didn't benefit the vast majority of people, including both sexes. It created an idealized image of both men and wo-men, what they should be while ignoring reality all the while. Men should be strong, brave, independent, should be able to survive on their own, etc etc is all the creation of patriarchy. And so is the cancerous attitude many wymen adopt even nowadays, like being a helpless princess who deserves special treatment - this is too the creation of patriarchy. It's funny because you people call me white knight but you anti-feminists are the true white knights. You don't get it, do you? Your whole worldview and its logical conclusion led to the birth of chivalry and knight morality. It's so damn funny when people support or fight against ideologies they don't understand. You are digging your own grave, bravo.

You retards both mentioned Ukraine and war in general and how poor men get the bad end of the deal…Maybe, again, it's because patriarchy and its cultural values say that it is fine to die a heroic death as a man but as a female you need to be helpless all the time? When you raise females to believe that they are weak and can't do anything and that they always need a strong father-figure to protect them then guess what you end up with? Exactly with what you people describe. Useless wymen and men gladly marching off to protect "muh wymen and children". And again, who benefits from this? Not your average man or wom-an, but privileged males who run the whole show.

Everyone, including males and females, behave in ways you teach them to. Society brainwashes people to believe in gender roles while there aren't any besides some obvious biological differences.

Anyway, back to the oppression of wo-men. They couldn't do whatever they wanted to and no, I'm not talking about full freedom because you obviously never have that as long as you live in society but even concerning basic things. They were basically sex slaves of men first of all and mothers secondly. The husbands could beat them, rape them, could do anything with them really except for murdering them. That is slavery. No matter how much luxury you give someone, as long as she is locked up and can be forced to do what you want she isn't a free person.

>Men are protective and worshipful of succubi, they do not hate succubi, or oppress them. There is no systematic or institutional abuse of succubi, in fact succubi are the most privileged and protected group to ever exist in history.

The paradox of patriarchy is that they are also the most vulnerable, at least they used to be. Still, Wymen are more likely to be victims of abuse and violence than men, not to mention rape which mostly affects females too. You can't deny this. For most of history it was completely okay to rape succs and to treat them like animals but I guess it is okay with you.

And if like you imply, men just can't help loving succubi so much, then how come there are so many serial killers fixated on killing them? Why do many husbands beat their wives all their lives? Why are succubi forced to be sex slaves in some places even nowadays? Men show their love in strange ways, don't you think?

>>266532
>men can’t even show feelings to their partner or they’re considered weak and unmanly and the succubus leaves or get disgusted everytime
I can't repeat myself enough. That is because of the values of patriarchy about "muh strong alpha male".

Feminists are the ones who care about weak men like us and would look out for us. In the eyes of feminists being a weak man is completely okay and realistic. While patriarchy and its supporters just hate people like us and go out of their way to make life miserable for us. I've been protected many times by succubi from men when they tried to bully me. It's men who mostly feel the need to make sure social darwinism is upheld at all cost and that other weak men are oppressed.

Feminism is the friend of the wizard. We only benefit from a world where there are less obligations on us and tough guy shit expected from us. It's because of feminism that me and my father can be NEETs at home while my mom and sister work. Without feminism males would be expected to just "man up" and make do somehow. Nah, fuck patriarchy and its whole macho alpha guy obsession.

 No.266610

>>266595
You posted an "American hell" which is obviously not what you described as pictured "in these places". But you got too triggered to comprehend the message was a functioning town has at least some amenities. It's not clear where you're actually living. Must be some shit hole forgotten hills have eyes horror ville.

 No.266629

Most male depression comes from learned helplessness and a feeling of powerlessnss. Not all, but most. It's just intuitively obvious, but you see around initiatives against depression and it's all like trying to validate feelings and misses the mark.

>It's okay to not be okay

>It's okay to need help

From what I've noticed on here and on other places is that the actual "Abloobloo I'm so lonely and nobody loves me, I just need a hug" isn't what's happening, it's more "I feel humiliated and powerless at work or school or at home. I neurotically am terrified of these situations where I'm at the mercy of forces beyond my control". Most men with depression I come across are sensitive, aggressive and brooding, they're not sappy in need of a hug and being told it's alright.

How the fuck are the experts so consistently wrong on this issue? I am bewildered at why anyone would go seek help from them when they have this projection of the issue at hand.

 No.266630

Whenever I have a homework I disassociate from life and suffer at an outer world. I cannot feel anything at all. Only anxiety and depressed thoughts. My body is full of stressed nerves

 No.266632

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My relationship with my parents got torn apart by differing views on the covid vaccine. I tried telling them that 1 year isn't enough fucking time to forward a vaccine/medicine to the world because of human testing, but they're boomers so if big TV man tells them that drinking bleach is safe, then its safe. Hell, I even did my best to convince them not to take it themselves last year and I had bad anxiety for months after they've taken it because of the outcomes it might have on them.
And my parents are the only people I talk to everyday because I have no friends.

Fast forward this month and they wanted to discuss my decisions and how its creating risks for their health because I'm not fucking jabbed with the shit juice (even though it makes zero sense because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO ARE VACCINATED and they have no reason to be afraid of me). Oh I'm so sorry that I want to not potentially cripple myself when I'm still young in my mid 20's. Give me a fucking break. Any points I try to refute by giving them legitimate recent news article, the ones I gave were from the Florida statement of not recommending the vaccine to young men under 40 years old and the recent UK hearing of a Pfizer rep flat out saying that they haven't tested the human transmission; and I tried pointing out how Pfizer are immune from vaccine injury liability from CNN. This should all be easy, all of these articles were from mainstream news sources, but they cover their ears and parrot the term 'its a conspiracy theory'. And because I spend a ton of time on the computer, they strawman and stereotype me as some conspiracy theorist who thinks the earth is flat etc.
All of that time worrying about my family for a year has gone down the drain, and they turn around and spit on my face for it.

>>266629
A cured patient is a lost customer.
I remember that moment I learned that ultimately I'm responsible for myself, and I have to choose what's best for me in the long run- I felt this strange confidence I've never felt before in my life. Its truly empowering because the next months I started eating better and got myself a retail job (which isn't impressive but I'm working myself towards getting a better one by learning programming).
It didn't fix all of my major issues in life, but it made it a bit more bearable.
There's no life coach out there that can be with you 24/7 to help you, its just the way humans work. In the past, I've had multiple moments of "getting my shit together" but it failed. But this realization I made helped me much more than anything therapy I was given.



And I hope I'm not sounding like a bro-talk normalfaggot telling wizzies "lol just get a gf and ur life will be happy lel". It's more of doing what's best for you and not others, and most of you people here deserve some good in your lives.

 No.266638

>>266632
>so if big TV man tells them that drinking bleach is safe, then its safe
you do realise the same can be said of antivaxxers right? just replace big tv man with big alt media man.

>A cured patient is a lost customer.

pretty idiotic of big pharma to push vaccines that reduce the risks of getting seriously ill then

>I hope I'm not sounding like a bro-talk normalfaggot

too late

 No.266639

and no, i am not even vaccinated and don't want to be but this conspiroid discourse is ridiculous. you want to be left alone which is fair, but then why try to dissuade them from taking it if they feel like it?

 No.266640

>>266606
>Feminism is the friend of the wizard. We only benefit from a world where there are less obligations on us and tough guy shit expected from us. It's because of feminism that me and my father can be NEETs at home while my mom and sister work. Without feminism males would be expected to just "man up" and make do somehow. Nah, fuck patriarchy and its whole macho alpha guy obsession.

Wtf is this obvious moron invader doing in wizchan? Why this moron is not banned?

 No.266641

>>266640
how makes people seethe and threatens their echo chambers so i like him

 No.266645

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>>266632
You shouldn't let events like these corrode your relationships. If you step back from your situation and look at what mechanically happened then the authorities propagandized your family and got partial compliance, with non-compliance being socially ostracized, which are both wins from the perspective of the authorities

If you're talking to someone that has internalized a narrative it's a mistake to engage with them along the dialectical lines that narrative was designed to combat, as you'll be hitting your head against a wall as you experienced. The more effective strategy would have been to pour nihilism over the motives and track record of the government, who had likely been attacking your family moments before they became deebly goncerned about their health

The most lethal concessions granted by public health authorities were the non-medical vaccination of children for their mental health and the messaging around POC, as these revealed the psychological and political undercurrents present. Initially the course correction on big pharma BAD to big pharma GOOD was also funny, but now it's better those guys have to waste time and energy defending those corporations when they're indefensible

 No.266652

>>266640
Feminism is not only compatible with being a wizard but a very good ideological root to help us discover new levels of magic and enlightenment. A world where succubi work and lead and do everything and we males just chill and NEET? Can you imagine it? The Utopia? I'm all for it. Let females shoulder all the burdens and let males be hyper passive and inactive.

>>266632
My parents took the vaccines multiple times and they have no problems. Meanwhile I knew several people their age who didn't take them and ended up cripple by covid or dead. Maybe the vaccines aren't perfect but they still aren't as dangerous as getting covid and being unlucky.

Be glad your parents have more common sense than you.

>>266629
I think depression is the result of being horrified by the realization that the world doesn't match your expectations. When you expect too much, desire too much, want too much then you will end up depressed. At some point in his life everyone has to accept that the world isn't a fun place most of the time. Most things are outside of our control and therefore how we end up relies more on luck or God than on our efforts.

 No.266658

>>266652
>Feminism is not only compatible with being a wizard but a very good ideological root to help us discover new levels of magic and enlightenment. A world where succubi work and lead and do everything and we males just chill and NEET? Can you imagine it? The Utopia? I'm all for it. Let females shoulder all the burdens and let males be hyper passive and inactive.
What the fuck is even wrong with you? You're trying to intentionally fuck people over by lying to them and drowning them in sweet dreams but you can't even manage that properly so you come off as some sort of bizarre robot. If you can't gaslight people properly then don't bother trying.

 No.266662

>>266658
Feminism benefits us more than patriarchy, I'm just sayin'. If you can't see that then you have been brainwashed I'm afraid.

 No.266716

>>266662
Feminists wants us loser males dead. You’re either a brainwashed retard or a feminist leftists redditor invader. Feminism is the reason why most men here can’t find jobs easily because succubi entering work force and competing with us. Feminists don’t want any of us getting welfare either as I did read from Swedish anons as how hard and even nearly impossible for single men getting bux in Sweden. Feminists wants loser men to be humilated , insulted, they want low status men (men like us) suffer there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING positive about their thoughts on men who visits wizardchan . You could see from todays entertainment its all about hatred and humilation of men. You should be banned for being a moron or invader shill.

 No.266717

>>266606
>Things started to change drastically from the 19th century and forward
It changed because work became a lot easier and less labour intensive so succubi decided to stop attaching themselves to men (they never liked anyway) and start working and living independently, note how all the occupations you listed are comfy office jobs that let people sit around and gossip, gee I wonder why pampered people (succubi) in the past preferred to stay in the kitchen, newsflash retard, it was their own choice and they lived privileged lifestyles compared to their male counterparts who HAD to go to work, they could work part time and their time was their own.

>If you lock someone up in luxury that's still oppression because you are forcing your will onto someone else.

This never happened to succubi though, you're regurgitating a fake narrative based on a hate movement (feminism) because like all other males you're a white knight dumbshit who doesn't think for himself. Patriarchy theory is on the same level as the wage gap, both lies spread by hateful cunts to blame men for everything, there's really nothing else to say because you're just repeating yourself and you're clearly already extremely far down the feminitard rabbithole which is really embarrassing if you are truly a wiz, backing a movement designed to hate you, lol pathetic.

>Anyway, back to the oppression of wo-men. They couldn't do whatever they wanted to and no, I'm not talking about full freedom because you obviously never have that as long as you live in society but even concerning basic things. They were basically sex slaves of men first of all and mothers secondly. The husbands could beat them, rape them, could do anything with them really except for murdering them. That is slavery. No matter how much luxury you give someone, as long as she is locked up and can be forced to do what you want she isn't a free person.

>blah blah blah the poor womens
This is more feminist gaslighting 101, never happened, barefaced lying, same thing happens now implying we live in a "rape crisis" or that "femicide" exists (eg men just going around killing succubi because theyre succubi - on the same level as schizo nutjob /pol/tards ranting about white genocide) while men and only men are actually getting drafted. What happens is people get murdered, some happen to be succubi, mostly men though (but nobody cares about those), and succubi do abuse and rape men as well, you're a retard if you think they don't, but you're indoctrinated by a hate movement so just keep spreading lies. If you actually think all succubi were locked up in the kitchen and raped and abused throughout history you're an actual glue huffing moron.

>Feminism is the friend of the wizard. We only benefit from a world where there are less obligations on us and tough guy shit expected from us. It's because of feminism that me and my father can be NEETs at home while my mom and sister work. Without feminism males would be expected to just "man up" and make do somehow.

You're a fucking idiot, men are still expected to do that, from both men and succubi no less, feminists hate men but they hate low status men like wizards even more, if it wasn't already obvious enough with all the ruined entertainment (because men enjoying sexual images is bad, because they hate men - that's the only motivation behind it).

You're really a twisted one if you think a hate group based on contempt for the male sex is a friend to wizards, I hope nobody in this thread takes you seriously, cretin.

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>>266662
Imagine being fully embraced in the default mainstream narrative of feminigism and calling someone else brainwashed, you're a real specimen aren't ya? Here look at all these great friends to wizards, please let's have more of them in our hobbies and spaces. I don't even find the game sexy, doesn't matter, their hatred is not rational (much like nazis or the kkk), it's a sexy game designed to appeal to men and this alone is enough for these troglodytes to elicit such a hateful response, because guess what, they just hate men, and they hate the idea of low status men like wizards enjoying themselves. Notice how they spew virtually the same hateful rhetoric as you do, but yes, what a clever little snowflake you are, truly an original thinker. "Objectification" is a false framework, like the patriarchy, but keep being a disingenuous subhuman hatemonger. Video games and anime are bad because they appeal to men, and this is bad because [insert feminist gaslighting here]. This is what a wizard has to look forward to if they embrace feminism, but it's okay, the whole world has regardless, but remember we live in a patriarchy, a patriarchy that gives succubi everything they want, and this again is the fault of the patriarchy, because succubi have no agency, but succubi can be really smart and change the world, but they aren't because it's also patriarchy. This is how dumb you sound.

Before you say "durr u cherrypickin" - no, feminism speaks for the average succubus, even if they say it doesn't, it's an unconscious movement, these are just the most explicit.

 No.266719

>>266718
I want to add that just a hundred years ago succubi and male feminists were raving about how pornography will empower succubi and how they have the "right" to star in it, as well as to just slut around in general. Now they're all raving on about how all men must be castrated at birth so they don't objectify succubi or whatever the fuck. Of course they'll still call you an evil bigot if you suggest we try to punish prostitutes and whatnot, though.

 No.266721

>>266718
when you spend to much time on twitter and think that it's real life

 No.266722

>>266721
Oh yeah dude they're definitely a fringe group of outcasts online, definitely not pushing any real world narrative through journalism and actual legislation, retard.

 No.266725

No, feminists don't hate us. It's actually them who care about us, not /pol/fags or the biggest and loudest enemies of feminism, progress, equality and freedom. It's SJWs who help those who are cast out by society like homeless people and us. The other side wants to create a society that gets rid of every single "useless" person because they want a strong race/nation. Again, funny how some people are fooled here into supporting ideologies that would cause their ruin if they were enforced.

>feminists hate muh japanese games and cartoons

No again, plenty of feminists like seeing cool sexy 2D succubi in video games and media. What you are talking about is a fringe minority who are so confused they don't even know what they want or just plain sour grapes about seeing sexy females in any shape or form. There are people like that on your side of the political spectrum too. I mean /pol/fags who want to ban japanese entertainment because they think it is "degenerate". So your point is nullified.

I like the inner contradictions you vehement anti-fems display. You say at one point that wymen are responsible for you not finding a job and at another point you people argue that wymen never really wanted to work anyway that's why they didn't work. So now what is it? Do they want to work or they don't? And we started this whole argument with you people claiming that females are inferior to males but now you feel the need to move goalpost and now you have to protect your jobs from females!! Haha. You are just looking for excuses to hate on the opposite sex and try to create a false scenario where it is all about "us bros (the good side) vs dem hoes (the bad side)". This mentality is cringe every single time, no matter if it is you people who do it or the opposite site does it, the aforementioned fringe "feminists" (who aren't really feminists btw since true feminists want equal rights for both sexes and not superiority over the other sex). Every single time you hear about a succ who wants superiority over males and special treatment remind yourself that she does this because she is influenced by patriarchy on a subconscious level, which is really the culprit in making succubi think that they deserve special treatment.

And don't get me started on the whole "hate movement this" and "hate movement that" stupidity. For people who claim to reject hate movements you certainly sound bitter and full of hatred.

>it didn't happen

>it's a lie
>it never existed
I love how you react with denial to something that is an actual problem. If it doesn't fit into your narrative then it didn't happen? Who else thinks like this? Oh, we know it, don't we? No, seriously, if you deny that wo-men were oppressed for most of history then you are completely delusional and there is no worth in "discussing" things with you guys.

>note how all the occupations you listed are comfy office jobs that let people sit around and gossip

Many succubi work harder than you, I'd bet. My mom works in a factory where most workers are females. So no, try harder. Being a female doesn't mean you will automatically get a comfy job. It's another thing that most men still think like you, they have their patriarchy knight armor on and do everything to help females in their workplaces.
Succubi weren't allowed to work or to enroll in higher education because a working female can earn her own money and can live separately if the circumstances require it. It's not more complicated than this. If succs really enjoyed patriarchy then they wouldn't have invented feminism in the first place, duh. Obviously if you are treated like a child by the opposite sex and aren't allowed to do what you want then you aren't free, no matter how much courtesy and special privilege you get in turn.

Please, guys, don't get your ideas from /pol/ or the internet about how reality works. You will only shame yourselves this way with your ignorance.

 No.266727

>>266725
>they all say they want you to hang and spit on your face, but actually they all love you and want to help your kind!
Gee, I thought tsundere only existed in the second dimension?

 No.266731

>>266725
Dude on the internet is telling me how reality is and then says don’t trust what the internet says is reality.

Also there’s really nothing you can say that will ever make me like or agree with feminism.

 No.266740

Can't even be miserable on wizchan anymore without people inverting their colons and expelling a mass of politics that no one gives a fuck about.

 No.266741


 No.266743

Chores never ending
I remind myself if I had a job
I’d be a janitor cleaning up other peoples mess
Or a similarly repetitive job
Is it wrong to be so aggrieved by chores checking up after others in your home
When if I worked I’d be doing it 8 hours a day
I expect more from family I guess
Whereas strangers you expect nothing from
Oh well

 No.266745

I miss being a teenager
Being an adult fucking sucks

 No.266747

>>266745
I miss being dead

 No.266756

>>266745
I don't know if i miss being a teen or if i just miss being deluded enough to think things will get better. The older you get the more visible the cell bars get.

 No.266854

I hate how everyone makes fun of me for things I cant control, its really no fair, Im not even a human to these people

 No.266860

When you're schizoid there really is no motivation to do anything. If you don't want friends or family or romantic partnership what the hell is the point? The world is a wasteland.

 No.266864

>>266727
Female supremacism isn't feminism. Feminism started out as a movement that wanted to bring equality to the sexes. Equality meaning equal rights AND responsibilities. Then later appeared certain wymen who claimed to be feminists but they only pushed basically another version of patriarchy where they wanted to be both equal and superior to men thanks to the privileges of patriarchy. That isn't even a coherent ideology and to call those females feminists would be just a mistake.

We are living in this schizophrenic world now because people are torn between patriarchy and feminism. Some wymen demand special treatment, privileges just like in patriarchy but they still want to feel strong and independent at the same time…which is of course mutually exclusive.

Either females are fragile princesses that need to be sheltered and need the protection and guidance of men (meaning you'd have to be nice to wymen too and would have to take care of them and basically you'd have to be white knight if you follow this line of logic) or they are capable of taking care of themselves and even others too and don't need any special treatment.

>>266731
OK then list one thing while you support patriarchy. Or name some benefits people like us would derive from patriarchy. I can only think of disadvantages personally.

Meanwhile you should think about why people like us, weak and low status males, get bullied all the time. Maybe because patriarchy made everyone think that weak males don't deserve to exist ? The whole "strong man" meme was created by the culture of patriarchy. They want to force us into gender roles which are only artificially created. It's not different from how some people think people of a certain nation/race/class should all act in the same way because nation/race/class/gender roles decide everything! As an outsider I don't see the value of attaching myself to collectives like that.

>>266860
>If you don't want friends or family or romantic partnership what the hell is the point?
My goal is to have fun. I'm a hedonist. But you can look for other philosophies if you don't like that. There are way too many meanings and interpretations out there if you ask me. Choose one and stick with it.

 No.266865

>>266860
how can it possibly be rational that the only meaningful thing is other people? Completely circular. Look in the mirror and you have a person there too.

 No.266869

>>266864
>Then later appeared certain wymen who claimed to be feminists but they only pushed basically another version of patriarchy
Sorry to burst your bubble but that was how it was from the beginning. Even earliest sufragettes believed this shit. It wasn't coopted, it was always in bad faith.

 No.266870

>>266864
>Meanwhile you should think about why people like us, weak and low status males, get bullied all the time. Maybe because patriarchy made everyone think that weak males don't deserve to exist ?
I personally wouldn't say that this is caused by patriarchy itself, but rather is a much more fundamental issue of social power dynamics. It exacerbates the issue, I suppose, that men are often socialized to conform to notions of toxic masculinity that basically turn them into needlessly hyper-aggressive assholes and cause them to look down on men who don't fit those notions. But even in a world without patriarchy (I don't know how feasible this is), weak and 'low status' men (and succubi) would still be bullied and opressed for simply being weak. It is a problem of human nature before it is a sociological one.

Feminism… I've seen it defined in lots of different ways, some of them more appealing than others. I guess this definition seems to be the most agreed upon: 'Feminism is a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.' and I guess it could be argued that anyone donning the 'feminist' name and advocating for inequality of the sexes (ie advocating on the contrary for a matriarchal society) would by definition not be a feminist. This is boring semantics though. Preferably i'd just call myself an egalitarian anyway.

 No.266871

>>266865
Rationality can't direct you toward something meaningful. You need to have desires and passions.

 No.266874

I meant to put a line break in an email I just sent and now I'm going to feel bad about this all day. Remembering it and muttering to myself random bullshit to escape the ridiculously strong negative feelings. This is how insane I am. Over such trivial bullshit. I don't want to be a perfectionist. Deep down I don't actually give a fuck like at all about all this minor petty shit, but any mistake no matter how small just makes my brain turn into a torturer, undergoing autoflagellation, turning its own existence into constant suffering over fucking nothing.

 No.266876

>>266874
and to just further speculate on what this is and what is happening to me, I can only guess that it is a manifestation of my shame, low self-esteem and fear of rejection. I think it originates in the idea that to be liked and accepted I had to do the "right" thing and being somewhat of an autist I never could know what that thing was and I assumed if I did the wrong thing, people would not like me and reject me. Over time, not knowing what the wrong thing was that translated to a general fear of making mistakes of any sort and making a fool out of myself causing people not to like me even more. This lead me to taking the most safe and boring path out of any potential social interaction which lead me to becoming the most boring person ever who just melted into the background and never made friends with people. Now any mistake especially a public one or one that involves interaction with other people sends me into suffering. I don't want this to happen, I don't know how to stop it though. God this is all so pathetic.

 No.266877

>>266874
>>266876
I experience something similar, anon. It really sucks.
>Deep down I don't actually give a fuck like at all about all this minor petty shit, but any mistake no matter how small just makes my brain turn into a torturer
Especially this.

 No.266878

>>266874
I had the same thing up until I was 14 or so years old, I think I stopped getting it around then because I just started to see the people around me as lowly animals and stop giving a shit about this world in general. It was once so bad that I would constantly daydream of murdering myself because of the sheer shame when I was 10-12 years old though, I would do something I consider shameful everyday and then remember it for days straight.
I actually still have something similar even now, whenever I try something with all my might out of my own volition but do not produce an idealized result I get an overwhelming feeling of shame and do not even want to think about that thing or see it. For example I started translating a manga 3 months ago, I finished 98% of the work in the first 2 days but it took me a whole 2 months to finally do the remaining 2% and upload it. The English was a bit iffy due to various reasons and I somehow couldn't bear it, it trampled on the pride I didn't even know I had, that was hidden deep within my heart, so I just stuffed the files in the bumfuck of my computer for 2 months before finally coming back and finishing it. My heart was beating furiously while uploading it and I couldn't really take the idea of my name being attached to a translation of that level. The same thing has happened to me over many other things too, and I've given up on many things I wanted to do because of it.

 No.266884

I think there's a point where the mental defeat is so total that no recovery is possible.

 No.266885

>>266884
Kind of a self fulfilling prophecy no?

 No.266887

>>266885
Is breaking your leg and being unable to walk a self-fulfilling prophesy?

 No.266888

>>266884
Happened to me when I was like 10. I haven't been happy since then.

 No.266889

>>266887
It is if you never set the leg again.

 No.266890

>>266889
There's a point where a leg is too damaged to ever be useful for walking, just like the brain can be too damaged to ever be useful for thinking or acting.

 No.266891

>>266869
That's what you read on /pol/ or other places but feminism covers a wide range of ideologies and thinkers who often disagree with each other.

>>266870
>This is boring semantics though. Preferably i'd just call myself an egalitarian anyway.
I agree it is boring but I'm forced to engage in it because some people instantly get triggered whenever they hear the words equal rights/equality or feminism. Most men-centric communities have wrong ideas about this whole thing.
I have no problem with the word egalitarian though I have to say that patriarchy and equality never went together. Feminism and communism/revolutionary theories have close relation to each other for a reason.

>But even in a world without patriarchy (I don't know how feasible this is), weak and 'low status' men (and succubi) would still be bullied and opressed for simply being weak. It is a problem of human nature before it is a sociological one.

For my part I'm quite certain that with proper education things could be much better for everyone. Humans like to compete between themselves and there is nothing wrong with that if done in a civilized way. Patriarchy isn't the main problem but a part of the many-faced enemy which is called Inequality, Oppression and Injustice.

The whole deal about human nature being corrupted by default is spread and pushed by people who want to preserve the current hierarchy and who are afraid of a world where people are free and equal and would live in universal brotherhood.

>>266884
>>266887
>>266890
Wrong example. A leg isn't necessarily in your control. Your mental health is in your control to a large extent. It's only over if you accept defeat.

What you describe is simple learned helplessness.

 No.266892

>>266891
>our mental health is in your control to a large extent.

Why? Why is the brain a privileged organ while every other organ operates under a different set of rules? It's pure nonsense. It's special pleading. Your kidneys get mangled, damaged possibly forever. Brains is mangled, well jusht pull up your bootstraps feller and get a hobby.

 No.266895

>>266891
>I agree it is boring but I'm forced to engage in it because some people instantly get triggered whenever they hear the words equal rights/equality or feminism.
The whole anti-sjw thing has been a part of mainstream culture for a few years now, and i've definitely gotten bored of seeing it everywhere. I dunno, my brain just filters it at this point. There are people out there who can actually say cogent, substantive things, and form their own worldview, and then there are people who literally just react to stimuli put in front of them. I'd be wasting my time with the latter.

>patriarchy and equality never went together

I don't find this a disagreeable claim.

>The whole deal about human nature being corrupted by default is spread and pushed by people who want to preserve the current hierarchy and who are afraid of a world where people are free and equal and would live in universal brotherhood.

I guess i'm more cynical than you, because even if I grant that it's possible to make gradual steps towards a preferable society, I still believe that the average person is genuinely just going to be a massive dickhead anyway, and that there is always going to be a group of people that get singled out, and that they'll usually be the weaker ones. Not to imply that we shouldn't at least try, or that we should just throw our hands up and be like 'lol let's just make things actively worse' like some faggots are prone to do. But I have not been given much reason to be remotely optimistic about human beings, especially considering 99% of them can't even get basic shit like antinatalism right…

>Your mental health is in your control to a large extent

Yeah, what the anon above me said. The brain is physical in the exact same way that every other organ is, so I don't see why it should be elevated to this unique status.

 No.266905

So many people I meet IRL are addicted to pity. Not like in here where it's people just venting about problems, it's different and more constant. I have family members like it and nothing ever good seems to happen in their life. If you ask them how their day was it's whining about how traffic was so bad, or how work was so horrible and stressful, and how they're so overwhelmed and suffer so much. It becomes even more ludicrous when it's coming from healthy, wealthy people with good lives, they don't stop it no matter how good they have it. But I don't think anyone even pities them or feels sorry for them.

Imagine choosing to be miserable. Imagine being healthy and neurotypical and choosing to be that way because you so desperately crave people feeling sorry for you.

This is really common too, especially among succubi.

 No.266906

>>266905
Especially first worlders. They need to be sent to Africa and starve to stop their whining

 No.266920

>>266892
Because the brain is the one organ you have a direct way to tap into being your own thoughts. The only other organ you’re given any amount of control over aside from that is pretty much your lungs.

 No.266924

>>266920
This sounds as insane to me as someone with schizophrenia, complete nonsense

 No.266925

>>266924
… so you’re telling me you don’t think?

 No.266926

>>266920
You can only think thoughts your mind will allow

 No.266929

>>266926
Is your mind separate from you?

 No.266935

>>266925
My brain activity is my thoughts. They are one and the same. "I" can't tap into "my" brain because the brain is me. Don't you see how this is schizophrenic psychosis level bullshit?

 No.266936

>>266725
>the aforementioned fringe "feminists" (who aren't really feminists btw since true feminists want equal rights for both sexes and not superiority over the other sex).
This is such a fucking cope, let's blame men for everything because we don't like men, that's it, don't care what sort of delusional trite you want to monologue about you misguided simpleton.

You should honestly kill yourself, fucking dolt. Keep spreading propaganda based on a hate movement you subhuman.

You know the average person is like you, they're a feminist, you aren't special, you're a generic hostile troglodyte.

 No.266937

>>266725
Being anti-feminist does not inherently make somebody a /pol/tard, in fact most anti-feminists are tradcons or some other kind of idiot that I strongly disagree with (even the other guy in this thread agreeing with me), sorry to burst your bubble in your attempt to appear smug and superior but you're just as default as everyone else.

>No again, plenty of feminists like seeing cool sexy 2D succubi in video games and media. What you are talking about is a fringe minority who are so confused they don't even know what they want or just plain sour grapes about seeing sexy females in any shape or form. There are people like that on your side of the political spectrum too. I mean /pol/fags who want to ban japanese entertainment because they think it is "degenerate". So your point is nullified.

Wrong, why do feminists (and yes feminists, not le fringe weirdos online) work hard to get games and anime censored, because they do, you're a blind idiot or disingenuous if you think they don't, oh also there's this thing called the whisper network in comics, a bunch of very nasty feminist succubi harassing male colleagues, you know, a lot like those #metoo cunts like amber heard lying about domestic violence and rape. Take a read: https://bleedingfool.com/blogs/expose-the-whisper-network-exists-and-seeks-to-destroy-male-comic-pros/
They'll talk about lack of diversity (intersectional feminism to use pocs as attack dogs) or how female characters are tropey or appeal to the male gaze (lol - more hateful rhetoric) and then go read rape fantasy novels about middle eastern men with blond hair and blue eyes.. They also changed frozen from the original story of a succubus rescuing a boy - something that SHOULD go against what they would call stereotypical gender roles which they should be all for - but they aren't actually, because they're hypocritical cunts (male and female).
Anyone calling anime degenerate is not on my side, they're hostile losers themselves and they worship succubi too.
The sour grapes thing is also another cope by /pol/tard types, claiming feminists don't like sexy succubi because they're jealous (they do like sexy succubi, just not men enjoying them, case in point objectification slur used to demonize men who do enjoy them, like a bunch of other false frameworks you're perpetuating by being part of a hate movement, patriarchy being one of them). They're also not ugly blue haired weirdos, most of them are very normal even attractive succubi.

Saying these people are not real feminists is like saying members of the kkk who lynched black men were not real kkk members, that's how dumb you sound. They can lie and claim it's about equality and edit wikipedia definitions to obfuscate reality, the truth is revealed in their actions and their complete lack of pushback against things and support for things that would actually work towards equality of the sexes (succubi are more than equal btw - which you said yourself, but right it's le patriarchy again because I'm a broken clock that isn't even right twice a day).

The other paragraph I'm going to ignore because you're arguing with a different poster, it's also wrong but there's no point trying to explain anything to you because you're really submerged in you're cancerous hate group so whatever.

>And don't get me started on the whole "hate movement this" and "hate movement that" stupidity. For people who claim to reject hate movements you certainly sound bitter and full of hatred.

Yeah I am hateful against people that are hateful to me based on something I didn't decide (my gender) only a spineless worm without a backbone wouldn't be, but keep thinking these hateful people (who I've proven are malicious multiple times) are actually saints and would ascend us to a world of sunshine and rainbows if they got what they wanted.

>I love how you react with denial to something that is an actual problem. If it doesn't fit into your narrative then it didn't happen? Who else thinks like this? Oh, we know it, don't we? No, seriously, if you deny that wo-men were oppressed for most of history then you are completely delusional and there is no worth in "discussing" things with you guys.

It's not an actual problem, succubi live on easy mode, statistics show men are abused more than succubi, succubi rape and kill men too, talk about "my narrative" take a look in the mirror next time sweetheart.

>Many succubi work harder than you, I'd bet. My mom works in a factory where most workers are females. So no, try harder. Being a female doesn't mean you will automatically get a comfy job. It's another thing that most men still think like you, they have their patriarchy knight armor on and do everything to help females in their workplaces.

Irrelevant, the point being succubi didn't want to do the dirty laborious work of the past so they stayed in the kitchen and did nice things like bake and sow and knit (because like today they're privileged), now jobs are comfy and have air conditioning and let them flex their social dominance they're happily moving into the workforce, but that still doesn't stop them calling the air con sexist. So you admit succubi live on easy mode, good, must be that evil patriarchy keeping them dow- wait up, hmm.

The irony of you, a milquetoast generic dumbass indoctrinated by a hate movement talking about ignorance is quite funny, eat shit and get lost.

 No.266938

>>266935
>the brain is me
wow metaphysical debates must be really simple when youre not conscious

 No.266942

>>266285
good luck

 No.266944

>>266938
>>266920
>>266891
Just ignore this poster, you should know
there is nothing to be gained for engaging with them.

 No.266945

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Wasting all this time with words and shit when suicide is the only real source of meaningful action in your future. These words don't mean the same anymore.

 No.266952

>teeth fucked to the point I can't lie down or eat without pain (2 teeth decayed to the gum 1 deepish cavity)
>Taking ibuprofen everyday for the past week because I can't get the cash to get it pulled because I'm too stupid to get a job
Wonder if dentists take IOUs lmao

 No.266954

>>266937
I already explained what feminism is about and why those groups you mention and cherry-pick all the time don't have anything to do with feminism, I won't repeat myself if you refuse to listen.

>So you admit succubi live on easy mode, good, must be that evil patriarchy keeping them dow- wait up, hmm.

I didn't say they lived on easy mode, that would be a lie. I said that males - and listen carefully again - are more likely to help them and spoil them because they still think like you, along the lines of patriarchy and white knight values.

I demanded an answer from you. Name one single thing we people who use this site would benefit from patriarchy or anti-feminism. You can't give me anything because there is nothing. These anti-feminist agendas are pushed by loser normals or failed normals who want to have a wife (who wouldn't love them anyway) and so they think a system based on patriarchy could give this to them. However, if you aren't interested in relationships then there is no reason to be against feminism and equal rights. Chew on this a little, will you?

>Yeah I am hateful against people that are hateful to me based on something I didn't decide (my gender)

Oh my sides, the irony in this one is too much, it's off the charts! You made laugh out loud, thanks.
Back to topic, you don't do anything but deliberately look for females on the internet who have opinions that will trigger you and then you show them around as if they represented the whole sex and make ridiculous statements left and right. Why don't you calm down a little? It sure seems to me that you aren't different at all from the (not)feminists you hate so much. So much resentment and anger and frustration. I bet you are one of those people who believe females are out to genocide our whole sex.

>>266936
>You know the average person is like you, they're a feminist, you aren't special
I don't see men treating wymen as their equal, ever, so no. I think most people are still drunk on the patriarchy meme.

Be sure to open that door for succubi and say "Milady/Madam" every time you hand over your place on the bus to a female. Retarded white knights…

>>266892
Think of a red flying elephant. Now think about a sunny summer day with melting icecream in everyone's hands…Got that? You don't need more proof than this. You can influence your thoughts. The mind can influence itself.

You aren't depressed because of "chemical imbalance" (that is only the result, not the cause) but because you choose to focus on negative thoughts and feelings above everything else to reinforce your pessimist worldview. If you think positive thoughts then you won't feel bad? It's very simple, like that.

And I will run ahead and prevent this discussion from spiraling out into "determinism vs free will" again. It doesn't have anything to do with that. It's more like do you have control over your actions? You mostly do. You can lift your left hand whenever you want to. This way you can also influence your mindset too.

If you read /dep/ all day then you will are more likely to get depressed….If you watch happy things then you are more likely to stay stable.

>>266895
The vehement hate against SJWs started from imageboards where people are more likely to be contrarian for no reason than to appear as edgy or special snowflake. Now it's so bad that people basically call everyone an SJW they don't like or disagree with.

I wouldn't say I'm an optimist, I try to be a realist. Even though people can act horrible lots of times I'm forced to acknowledge that they aren't behaving that way because they think it's fun but because they've been taught since childhood that being mean or cruel in certain situations is a must or even something cool. Especially if we observe traditional male gender roles. "The warrior" "the tough guy" "the crusader" "the ambitious man" etc etc all propagate inhuman behavior. Our culture is rotten to the core, you know this when society hates you for being a weak man but at the same time loves ruthless and cruel men who crush others and posit them as the ideal all men should strive towards.

 No.266955

>>266954
>I didn't say they lived on easy mode, that would be a lie. I said that males - and listen carefully again - are more likely to help them and spoil them because they still think like you, along the lines of patriarchy and white knight values.
Ah yes, the horror of being endlessly spoiled by everybody else, of never running out of money, getting everything you want, even being able to throw people into jail/killing their social lives just by saying they did something bad to you, even if you have no evidence, should you ever wish it. Truly succubi all suffer endlessly, how are they supposed to eat all these fruit and cake by themselves? How are they supposed to persevere through the horrid life of no suffering and endless joy! I fucking hate you lowly trash so much, if you had suffered even a millionth of what the average man suffers in a day you wouldn't have the fucking balls(or should I say tits here?) to spout this filthy bullshit, you even get off on it and act all fucking smug and superior! I had to get conscripted against my will and march through the highest mountains in the country in the bumfuck of morning, with the -30C wind killing me, for over a year while you were probably off desperately panting and desperately trying to convince a succubus to have sex with you by agreeing with everything she says.

 No.266959

>>266952
this can kill you, if the infection spreads to the nerve that goes to the brain :( dentist students will threat you (sometimes for free if you explain your situation) I know exactly how much you are suffering wizzie, ears ringing and electricity running down your jaw. please don't let it get worse and get your teeth checked out soon

 No.266966

>>266955
>the horror of being endlessly spoiled by everybody else
>I had to get conscripted against my will and march through the highest mountains in the country in the bumfuck of morning, with the -30C wind killing me, for over a year
Yes and whose faults are these? Think. Who spoils succubi? They can't spoil themselves. I'll help you. MEN. Why do they do this? Because of patriarchy.
About being in the military, again who decided that you should get military training? Not wo-men but men did most likely. Men who want to push traditional gender roles onto us, like being the strong warrior. We come back to patriarchy and its values again.

You have the wrong target and enemy. Your life isn't ruined by females but by our dear fellow males. Other males aren't your friend most of the time, more news at 9. Bro-culture is such a lie. I wonder when people like us will finally realize that normal males despise us much more than succubi.

 No.266967

>>266966
So what do you propose? Feminism?

 No.266968

>This thread arguing about foids

Very unwizardly

But yes, clearly foids do have it better on average on a purely material level and don't fall to the extreme lows that men do. But their gender and brains are wired in such a way that they have their own problems to contend with. Internet addiction for foids is worse than it is with men, but unlike with men, it warps their perception of the world in such a way that they lose all appreciation for life. Men will lose themselves in video games and porn, or hide away from the world online, but the way they actually perceive the world isn't fucked up like it is with succubi.

Because many fry their brains on birth control and social media, they're utterly incapable of pair bonding and will live sad, lonely lives. There's a reason so many middle aged white succubi now addle themselves on anti-depressants, more than men do. Those succubi are all going to start burning out once they reach old age.

I don't think they have much capacity for self improvement like men are either. They're more at mercy of their environment and whether or not they fall into some meme trend like becoming ftm and lopping off their tits or not is almost entirely determined if they fall into the wrong circles.

I'd rather be male than female, even with all the social advantages succubi have, because I enjoy being less at the mercy of the opinion of others and having more psychological freedom.

 No.266974

>>266968
>I'd rather be male than female, even with all the social advantages succubi have, because I enjoy being less at the mercy of the opinion of others and having more psychological freedom.
/thread
/everything

 No.266975

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>>266260
Same anon here
I got the results back. I do in fact have cancer. Hodgkin's Lymphoma.

I didn't know what to attach to this post in terms of images. Since I don't know what to feel exactly or how any imagine could convey it. It wasn't enough to be born a mentally ill Hikikomori, an inferior sub-normal person. Broke, uneducated, and in a state of depression for 29 years. It was somehow necessary to give me cancer as well. The whole thing is fucking hilarious. It's something Kafka would write.

Did I do something? Did I anger some errant god? Am I being punished for a previous karmic cycle? hahahaha. Oh man. hahahha. This is so good. This is rich. Lmao. Haha. lol. Rofl. kek. LOL!

 No.266976

Best way to think about it is what will be written on your tombstone, that's your life summarized. Do you think anyone will have "Made powerpoints for Shekelberg Inc, well loved and valued employee" written on there?

 No.266977

>>266975
How bad is the prognosis?

>>266976
Most people are remembered by their occupation so basically yes.

 No.266978

>>266977
Go walk through a graveyard and actually see what's written on people's stones. Things like "Beloved mother of 6" or "Loving husband and father". I don't know why people idolize their occupation so much. When you leave a company, they hire someone else and then just forget about you.

>>266975
I'm sorry wizzie, I hope you recover from it.

 No.266979

>>266978
I know there's lots of NEETs here who have never worked and so wouldn't know, but not every job is some pencil pushing call center from Office Space.

 No.266980

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My cat died today. He had been sick for a while and it seemed like it was some kind of digestive problem. My parents and I were trying what we could to help his stomach and make him feel better. We looked up possible causes for how he seemed to be feeling, and would try to work out remedies, but nothing really worked. We tried for about a month or two, then my mom and I decided it was time to take him to a vet. My mom took him and got him checked out, and at first the vet was puzzled so prescribed some nausea medication for my cat and scheduled a follow up.

Two days later (today) after I left for work, my cat was making strange noises according to my mom, so she took him back and they ran an x-ray. The vets thought it was a hairball stuck in his stomach, so they got set up for an operation. As they were operating, they quickly solved the mystery of my cat's illness: he had cancer. They immediately called my mom and told her, and she gave them the go-ahead to put him to sleep to prevent unnecessary suffering. I came home today eager to see my cat healthy and back to his normal self, instead I was greeted with the news that he's gone. He was always a very social cat, always meowing as if he's carrying on a conversation. Always rubbing on my legs, following me throughout the house, and generally keeping me company, even when I didn't realize I needed it. He was my friend, and a great one at that. I already miss him. I can already feel his absence, the void he left behind, but I will always be thankful to have had such a good companion.

RIP my friend.

 No.266987

>>266975
Absolutely brutal mate, on the bright side though Hodgkins lymphoma is easily curable and has a very high survival rate (at least from what I've researched online) so don't lose all hope yet, remember one less Wizard is another victory for the NT normalscum.
>>266980
May your cat rest in peace. Losing a pet that gave you nothing but unconditional love and loyalty is a horrible experience especially for a Wizard. At least he's not suffering no longer suffering in pain anymore as every living organism has to experience such in death and you were able to cherish him in his presence. I've always wished I could have a pet cat myself but never could never due to my life circumstances.

 No.267009

>>266980
>My cat died today

Fellow wizard brother, I am genuinely sorry for your loss. It's clear you had a very loving and good furry brother. I wish you wouldn't be experiencing this painful situation; I just hope you'll feel better one day.

 No.267012

I have literally no idea what you're supposed to do. Just exist for a couple decades and wait to die, and do some inane shit to pass the time? This is so retarded.

 No.267016

>>266975
>>266980
I was feeling a bit bad anyway but after reading these…. fuck you God, fuck you and you shit world where random people suffers for no reason.

 No.267023

My dad lost his battle with alcoholism last night. I spent the last few years constantly being angry at him, because he inevitably always say or do something to piss me off. To the point it felt intentional because he would always act like there was no consequences and no amount of logic would convince him he's in the wrong. But before I even knew he passed I was flooded with all the good memories I have of my dad. I don't believe in God but it's funny how that happens. Last year similarly I had dreamt of my dad when I almost never dream the night before he was hospitalized.

I've been going through basically every emotion. Angry my dad couldn't change. Angry at myself because I've been so mad at him that for a long time that I blocked his number in my phone and I didn't wish him a happy Father's day or birthday. I've been afraid because I'm so scared of living in a world without my parents. And of course I've been extremely sad and crying just thinking about all the good memories I have of my dad taking me camping, getting ice cream, playing baseball, and all the typical dad stuff. Even though I've done nothing with my life he would say he's proud of me of me and that he loved me.

For as much criticism I have of him, there's so much I didn't give him credit for either. These last four years have been extremely hard for him for a number of reasons and I wasn't very empathetic. The alcoholism just grew worse and worse and I couldn't look past it. Of course now I regret it and would give anything to have another conversation with my dad and get some closure. I just hope he knew that deep down I did love him too.

 No.267024

>>267012
Yes, it's literally just that. You just waste time bothering with shit you don't even really care about until God decides that you've done your sentence in this godawful waiting room and takes you out.

 No.267025

I seem to be different even form wizzies. I have lost several cats in my life and never felt I think. I am completely apathetic. You guys are emotional Gods.

 No.267026

>>267012
I think about that all the time. What are we supposed to do here while we're alive?

 No.267027

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>>267026
I've been wondering that most of my life recently, there isn't anything you can do. All you can do is consume whatever life brings you or kill yourself. That is your only option now.

 No.267029

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>>267027
This is the reason I just do nothing all day. Everything seems completely pointless. I could do things, but not doing anything leads to the same outcome and is easier. Every time I wake up, i'm confronted again with the total emptiness and aimlessness. Even when I do things, I know in the back of mind that it's completely meaningless. It brings me no satisfaction. Just emptiness. The world feels like an endless ocean of emptiness and desolation. Absence and mediocrty. The only meaning I see in life is preventing suffering, but on a personal level I can do very little to achieve that except killing myself.

 No.267030

>>266967
Yes. A world where we males aren't burdened by any social expectations either. There should be no virgin shaming or NEET-shaming of any kind. No people telling you to "man up bro" and other nonsense. It would be pure individualism as it would be up to everyone what he does with his time, life and body.
Meanwhile it would taught in schools that giving special treatment to females is wrong. Females would be encouraged to shoulder more responsibilities and to live on their own or to even take care of men whose status is lower than theirs.

>>266968
>Men will lose themselves in video games and porn, or hide away from the world online, but the way they actually perceive the world isn't fucked up like it is with succubi.
There are plenty of men too who fry their brain with the internet, think of conspiracy nuts, men who deliberately seek out contrarian and retarded ideologies to appear special, etc. Those succs do have male counter-parts, they are mostly called /pol/ on the internet.

>>267023
That's pretty sad. Father and son relationships are always important and leave long-lasting effects on us. I don't know what I'd do without my dad.

I'm sorry. I don't know what to say. Try not to feel too bad.

>>267026
>>267012
>>267024
>>267027
None of this "no meaning/meaning" matters as long as you are having fun. Everything people do is for the sake of pleasure on some level. Accumulate pleasure, avoid pain and suffering, that's the guide to life.

 No.267031

To me, life feels like a black fog, and satisfaction feels like grasping at phantasms in the fog. The instant I try to grasp them, they slip through my hands, and I realize they were never there in the first place. There was never anything of substance here. Nothing to latch onto. Nothing with any real weight. Just a weightless, empty fog. I can wander it for years, or decades, if I wish, but i'll never find what i'm looking for; I'll never grasp what I wish to find; There isn't any real footing. Just a bunch of vague, confusing desires, and a slow march towards the abyss.

I just feel emptiness. Nothing but empty aimlessness. Not even 'pleasure' feels like it has any weight. My emotions all feel like mirages. Just emptiness…

 No.267032

>>267031
That's because suffering is foundational to reality while pleasure is merely incidental or accidental.

 No.267033

>>267032
Yeah, actually I believe that 'pleasure' doesn't even exist in the sense that we conventionally think of it, and that it's just the absence/alleviation of suffering. And that even if it does exist, it's value is only instrumental in that it doesn't contain suffering, and has no intrinsic value in of itself

 No.267035

>>267033
You ever notice when people talk about heaven they always seem incredulous of being happy forever? They always assume boredom will creep in and you will have to flee from boredom to some other experience. This is because pleasure is not self-sustaining or fundamental. It is the thin layer on top of the universe.

Suffering and pain are the concrete, real reality which always overcomes and then washes away the fragile reality of pleasure and joy.

 No.267036

>>267032
>>267033
>>267035

It can be played both ways: suffering is just an illusion and only pleasure is real. Prove me wrong. You can't. Because these are just empty word games at the end of the day.

You emphasize suffering and pain so much because
A) you grew attached to misery.
B) your life is nothing but misery.
You suffer therefore you project it unto the cosmos and think of suffering as something mythical.

 No.267038

>>267036
just no. go read suffering focused ethics by magnus vinding or something. i really can't be bothered.

 No.267039

>>267038
Can't be bothered because it is just your subjective opinion in the end.

Pessimism isn't different from any other ideology. It claims to offer you the "ultimate knowledge" but it doesn't deliver anything except for some empty ramblings based on subjective experiences and feelings.

 No.267040

>>267039
You have got to be the most annoying faggot on this site. This is the depression crawl thread, not the optimist thread. Leave the guy alone.

 No.267042

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>>267036
I'm gonna be honest with you, that poster seemed to have a good point. Life for millions and millions of years ago has always been suffering. Animals brutally maul and eat others to survive, humans commit so much violence, rape, slavery, abuse over the years. Plagues, famines, insane religious people killing each other, don't fucking kid yourself if you think suffering is illusion, life simply sucks and you have to admit it. Pleasure is just a convenient way to escape that suffering, so 99% of humans try to chase 24/7.

 No.267043

>>267042
You have a narrow and anthropocentric view of the universe and suffering. Everything just is. Please and suffering are just two sensations a human can feel, all else is humans projecting.

 No.267044

>>267043
So you don't think other alien beings or life can experience suffering? What if aliens also went to war with each other, raped, discriminate against each other? What about their pleasures hmm? I'm not trying to argue, just really curious of what life about.

 No.267046

>>267044
Who says aliens would do or need any of those things? For most of the 3 or so billion years life has existed on earth, it's all been unicellular. Complex life has only existed for about 500 million years, and of that humans have existed for even less. There's no reason to think life has some universal constant of suffering when most life has no concept of pain or suffering, much less the ability to feel it.

Humans are just not equipped to cope with the reality beyond our lives. There's no reason for us know that our lives will end, that our species will end, that our sun will die out, our galaxy will drift apart, and who knows what else in the far future. This knowledge gives us aches of existential pain but it is all our own doing Our brains steer and prod us with pain and pleasure, but they aren't "real". We find needles in our skin painful, but if you dampen the area with cold or alcohol then we feel nothing. It's an absolute illusion our bodies concocted, same with pleasure. You can say the human lives are mostly filled with the sensation of pain, and that may be true, but that wouldn't mean reality is pain, just humans are.

To put it another way, many species of animals die when they reproduce. Their bodies usually just waste away because the strain of reproduction takes all of their effort. And do they feel please or pain when this happens? Possibly, but they do it anyway. They simply are. They don't weigh the morality of their actions, they don't think about the potential suffering or pleasure, they just go. They have to. Humans also just go, but we are smart enough to plague ourselves with the aforementioned considerations.

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>>267046
So it's all fucking nothing, all of it. I hate how we have such advanced brains, sure we made pretty much fucking society with our brains but our cost is troublesome. I hate having to deal with pain, pleasure, emotions, feelings, i hate it all. It hurts me everyday and I can't do anything about it. Life is just this unending clueless movie that punishes you for no reason.

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>>267048
> It hurts me everyday and I can't do anything about it. Life is just this unending clueless movie that punishes you for no reason.
The first step is acceptance wiz. You can't let it weigh on you. We're all given once chance (as far as we know) at life and then it's all just death again. You can choose to bring death early but it will come all the same, so I choose to wait. And while I wait I will spend the time trying to figure out how to deal with the pain that is living. You have to let yourself be happy. It's possible, even if fleeting. But it's all fleeting. We are fleeting right now as I type this. It'll all go away, so don't stress out about it. That's all the advice I can offer you.

 No.267053

>>266987
>>267009
>>267016
Thanks, wizards. I'm still a bit broken up about my cat, but I take comfort in the fact that I treated him well and gave him the best life I could, and he gave me many happy memories in return.

 No.267054

it's weird to me how so many people here manage to be articulate despite being depressed, do they not have brain fog like i do? that coupled with my ocd that's been getting worse and worse in the last few years, i forget what i'm thinking while i'm writing, not only this but i have also been robbed of the ability to enjoy any kind of entertainment, i wish i could escape this pain through death but there's this nagging thought in the back of my mind that somehow someway i will be able to escape my situation and live a peaceful existence in solitude

 No.267056

Apparently climate change induced depression is a thing. How could someone be this weak minded? Is their depression even real or they just want to create some drama woe is me or social virtue signaling in their boring life?

 No.267059

>>267040
Depression is a state of being, not an ideology. You can be depressed as an optimist or pessimist all the same.

>>267042
I'm gonna be honest with you, that poster seemed to have it all wrong. Life for millions and millions of years ago has always been about pleasure. Animals eat other animals and they experience incredible amounts of dopamine highs as they do this, humans engage in so much fun, orgasm, lazing around, material comforts over the years. Healthy people, people who never starve, sane non-religious people helping out each other, don't fucking kid yourself if you think pleasure is illusion, life is simply great and you have to admit it. Whining on imageboards and shilling pessimism is just a convenient way to escape all that pleasure, so a minority of humans like you try to larp as a pessimist 24/7.

As I said, you can play it both ways.

>>267048
>I hate having to deal with pain, pleasure, emotions, feelings, i hate it all. It hurts me everyday and I can't do anything about it.
You could do numerous things about this but they would take effort and we know you just like to take the easy way out and feel pity for yourself and your misery.

>>267054
Stop browsing chans all days and masturbating. Find things that interest you. Contemplate positive thoughts.

 No.267060

>>267059
You can't help them, that's the point of depression dummy. It's a mental illness that comes and goes, probably stays longer in some people than others. People just don't feel happy, doesn't matter if you give people the things they want, they'll eventually get bored and get depressed again. We are in a cycle of chasing desires to escape from our suffering, even religion and saying positive shit is also an escape. Let them go and leave them to wallow, it just how things are.

 No.267062

>>267060
>You can't help them, that's the point of depression dummy. It's a mental illness that comes and goes, probably stays longer in some people than others

I cured my own depression. It's not something that is out of our control. I'd say your own mind is the only thing you can influence nearly 100%. External circumstances are out of our control that is why it is important to create your own fortress in your mind and to tune yourself to the best frequency.

 No.267063

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>>267056
>Apparently climate change induced depression is a thing. How could someone be this weak minded? Is their depression even real or they just want to create some drama woe is me or social virtue signaling in their boring life?
Climate anxiety is much the same as the fear of hell, and it's similarly configured to produce moral and social outcomes. Yes, like most historical moral panics it afflicts the vacuous middle class the most, as they are neither engaged in subsistence living or actual power like the other classes

 No.267064

Seeing people saying and doing stupid things makes me feel so depressed. It shouldn't affect me as much as it does, but for some reason I have a really weak tolerance to human retardation. Probably because stupidity is harmful.

 No.267067

If you've tried to fix your depression and failed for many years, it should be the indication that you should commit suicide ASAP.
You're in like the 0.000001% of humanity if you're still dysfunctionally depressed after putting lots of effort in - there's no meaningful connection to other human beings. You're are alone and suicide is the only answer.

 No.267068

Would you actually miss anything in life if you didn't exist anymore? I honestly wouldn't. The very few things I still do and consume are pure copes and to pass the time, nothing more.

 No.267069

>>267068
yeh shit nigga they be all hey man youll miss the last episode of game of thrones and i was like get outta here i dont give no shits man
these white walkers can do whatever id be happy to do the old pentobarbital shuffle
shit

 No.267070

>>267068
I can't think of anything.

 No.267071

>>267068
no.
>>267012
>this is so retarded
yes. i often think, even if i had millions of dollars, i wouldnt do a goddamn thing with it. its all worthless

 No.267072

>>267056
I suffered from that sort of doomerism as a teenager, it fucked me up pretty badly for a year before I got over it. It's pretty much a form of abuse to take kids into social studies class and dedicate a full unit as to how THE WORLD IS ENDING AND YOU'RE ALL GONNA SUFFER AND DIE. Now as an adult I realize that that sort of doomerism has existed since the hysterical malthusian niggers 150 years ago, and that a potential apocalypse or catastrophe always hangs over us like a sword of damocoles and is nothing new.

The real reason they pump kids full of climate change hysteria is because they'll become voters and activists in their early college years and that will help pass legislation which in turn serves the managerial state.

It's not climate change induced depression, it's induced pessimism by the education system.

 No.267073

>>267030
>None of this "no meaning/meaning" matters as long as you are having fun.
True, but I'm not. And I'm sure many of the people here can sympathize with me.

 No.267075

I find it incredibly "funny" that there are plenty of examples of people setting their eyes on something really hard like becoming a millionaire and managing to become one, some of them putting real effort and some just having it fall on their lap, whereas all I've ever wanted for the last 15 years of my life was to just stay in my tiny room for the rest of my life, which is just a few more years at most, in front of the computer until I finally kill myself, yet all the stupendous amount of effort I've put into realizing this has only made me get further and further from it.

 No.267076

>>267068
Video games, hentai, anime and weed. Those are the only four things I'll miss and the only things that made me feel happy in this stupid life.

 No.267082

>>267073
Yeah, I don't understand why people think you can randomly be happy and get everything you wanted if you just stop feeling sad. What a load of crock shit, the human brain is a very complex thing that is hard to control, you can't just stop feeling depressed.

 No.267085

There was a one in 400 quadrillion chance of you being born.

Now factor in being born white and in a 1st world white country and the odds become even more ridiculous.

You're a miracle, a fluke, you shouldn't be here, yet here you are. Existing like the little devious and persistent creature you are.

 No.267086

>>267085
Kinda doesn't mean anything to achieve something that you didn't even try to do, and everyone around you did the same.

 No.267087

>>267085
So what fucking? Big whoop, we will all die anyways and our universe is predicted to not even exist in a trillion of years. Like I don't understand why the fuck any of this exist, it's so retarded and we will never figure it out ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4izuDMUQA&t=692s

 No.267088

>>267085
I wasn't born white or in a 1st world country.

So I guess I was extremely lucky to have only the bad part of the deal right?

 No.267089

>>267088
You got the worst deal, not only are you brown and poor. You can't really do much about it except get lucky and earn a ton of money or skills to go to America. First world people have it way to easy to be complaining about life.

 No.267090

>>267088
yes, but the good thing is that it ends pretty quickly and then it's eternal nothingness once again. might as well not have been awoken just to suffer.

 No.267092

>>267089
I don't want to go to the US honestly, that place is a shithole even for my 3rd world standards, and even here I have free education and healthcare, I would rather go to Japan.

 No.267093

>>267092
Lol. Please do.

 No.267096

When I was like 10 I had apendicites and almost died. I had never felt so much pain in my life. I had surgery and they managed to save me. Now ask why… It would've been better to have died right there.

 No.267098

Well i want to kill myself, my family was always nice with me and y know than if i had a hard moment they gonna help me but myproblem with the life is other since kid i build very high expectations of what life was but in the moment i crash in the reality i realize than all my dreams are gonna keep like dreams and maybe for my fault maybe not i obligated to live a unhappy life do what i do ,i got no salvation as long im still me i gonna be depressed and useless to the society because i dont want to work but also i never be a nini as long i have life in my body and because of this contradicction i concluded that there is no place in this world for me and later or sooner my life is going to end from my own hands

 No.267101

>>267092
You're just gonna be disappointed.

 No.267112

>>267075
Hardwork has little to do with results. In fact I bet the predicted variance is like r =.1-.2 (This is what it is for grades, for example. source: Meta-Analysis of the Relation between Study Time and Academic Achievement)

You need luck. Luck luck luck. I can't stress it to make it clear. Circumstance has to do all the work for you before you even try.

 No.267129

>>267068
Yes, plenty. My family, my hobbies, every single joy and pleasure I would have to leave behind. I want to exist and to experience new sorts of pleasures every day.

>>267082
It's not about getting everything you wanted, that is rather the source of your misery. It's about enjoying what you can have and letting go of things you can't have.

You can stop feeling depressed, buddhism, stoicism, epicureanism, and many other religions and philosophies were concerned with how to be happy. One of those countless methods surely works for you too.

>>267087
>we will all die anyways and our universe is predicted to not even exist in a trillion of years
Non-issues.

>Like I don't understand why the fuck any of this exist, it's so retarded and we will never figure it out ever.

Also not a problem.

People concern themselves with so many useless things that don't have any effects on their lives at all.

 No.267130

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Anhedonia sucks

 No.267134

this is it wizzies. i swallowed the poison (SN), i should be unconscious and dead within the hour. i feel nothing. even now i have nothing to say. soon it will all be gone. goodbye

 No.267135

>>267134
You cannot fathom my sheer jealousy.

 No.267137

>>267134
Rest in peace wiz. I don't blame you for leaving, have a good death.

 No.267141

>>267130
Best wishes wizzy - hope you are at peace now

 No.267142

>>267134
i hope you rest well. im sorry you had such a hard life.

 No.267144

hate myself hate myself hate my actions hate my life hate my future it's bad I'm wrong I should just slip away and everyone would be better off but I'm such a fuckin coward I suck I suck I suck I'm a fucking worthless piece of shit there's no hope just fucking up

 No.267146

>>267134
Rest in peace.

 No.267148

>>267134
I hope you have peace.

 No.267149

anyone here constantly mutter insults to themself. for me i always remember past events and say out loud: 'god im a fucking idiot.' i do this over and over each day. all my horrible memories that i keep rehashing…

 No.267151

>>267149
Yes whenever my brain is depressed this happens constantly. The onset of my brain barraging me with memories that doesn’t stop for hours even if I try to endure it, is my sign my depression is coming. The instant almost tic like insults, or weird comments like “[my name] killed myself”. I have bad mood swings and in better moods it doesn’t happen, and, I can effectively handle real life events of messing up. I have theories about depression wearing the ability to handle judgement/negative reactions because of the erosion of self/other concepts, so I have been trying to focus on strengthening that other people aren’t me. A lot of my self insults seem to be to agree with some imagined judgement so I can move on, instant intense mental incongruence from the memory and imagined judgement one sided with the judgement and insults self to resolve. I haven’t made much progress but I know the feeling wizzer.

 No.267152

>>267151
I've never really thought about what the symptoms mean but I think you're right about the mood swings. It does seem to be before I end up feeling down. idk, seems obvious now but never thought of that until now.

 No.267155

>>267149
Yes, only in my head though. This happens whenever I do or think something I do not personally approve of, which is many times an hour. It happens as an instant subconscious reaction to it, and the language I say it in can vary and is basically randomly selected. I say all sorts of stuff, and detached comments like "I will make you suffer", "You deserve to die a horrible death" etc are common. I also used to do stuff like hitting my legs or strangling myself too but stopped about a year ago for seemingly no reason.
What I think is interesting in my case is that I only do these as a reaction to me doing/thinking something I think isn't right. I used to feel shame and self-hate when forced to suddenly recall shameful past memories, but that stopped before I picked this habit up. Nowadays I don't even care when I happen to remember my shameful past, no self-cussing or anything. I also started censoring my own thoughts a few years ago.

 No.267159

>>267134
See you tomorrow.
And even if you did kill yourself, see you in the other worlds. You couldn't seriously think God would let you go this easy?

 No.267160

>>267149
I mutter insults to myself for other people who have wronged me. I do this very often nowadays. I also do what >>267151 does with the killing myself, but I use "I" instead of my name.

 No.267169

>>267149
I constantly curse with the n-word under my breath at the onset of bad memories and kek, it'll get me in trouble one day.

 No.267170

>>266954
>I already explained what feminism is about and why those groups you mention and cherry-pick all the time don't have anything to do with feminism, I won't repeat myself if you refuse to listen.
Feminism is actually about obfuscation and disinformation (which you've fallen for very hard) - they're the most successful political (hate) movement ever to exist and they dominate society completely, they lie and invent false frameworks whenever it suits them as I've explained so not only are you the one not listening but you're also blind.

>I didn't say they lived on easy mode, that would be a lie. I said that males - and listen carefully again - are more likely to help them and spoil them because they still think like you, along the lines of patriarchy and white knight values.

If anyone is a white knight here it's you though, giving credence to bullshit narratives about patriarchy, and then twisting it into some dumb wiz friendly take about how womyn actually really want to help us and stuff and this ethereal club of jew- I mean men are keeping them down. Newsflash, white knighting is innate to the male physique, just like its innate for succubi to do what they do, it's not some brainwashing virus called patriarchy that you love regurgitating from your feminists shyster friends - it's basic gender dynamics, men pander to succubi, people prefer succubi, succubi enjoy their victimhood and privilege (like you see with terfs who hate mtf transexuals - because they still see them as men, and they hate men). I refuse all that faggot shit, the average male mentality makes me vomit, and evidently I understand it way better than you. Imagine being a male feminist and calling someone else a white knight, actually delusional.

>I demanded an answer from you. Name one single thing we people who use this site would benefit from patriarchy or anti-feminism. You can't give me anything because there is nothing. These anti-feminist agendas are pushed by loser normals or failed normals who want to have a wife (who wouldn't love them anyway) and so they think a system based on patriarchy could give this to them. However, if you aren't interested in relationships then there is no reason to be against feminism and equal rights. Chew on this a little, will you?

Actually I can, if you want to protect your hobbies from bad faith actors like feminists (I've already explained what they do to ruin things guys like and it's evident everywhere if you enjoy things simply beyond a surface level) you have to adopt an anti feminist frame and voice it correctly. These people infiltrate everything from game to dubbing studios and inject their hateful narratives (changing anime translations to reference gamergate or the patriarchy - sounds like you! or just generally making things unappealing and ugly) because they hate male nerds and want to insult them. They're driven by contempt, not by "social justice" (a meaningless dodge term like woke to avoid saying feminist).
Strangely I actually agree with you, most men's right activists or anti feminists are actually failed normalfags who lack self awareness and only care about getting the succubus not improving the situation of men at all, they're more concerned with ranting about trannies than putting a stop to male genital mutilation or the draft. Though you fall short there, if they want to return to patriarchy (which never existed yet so-called anti feminists fall for the patriarchy lie so they've already failed) that implies we don't live in one? And if you aren't interested in relationshits or getting married (being a provider serf) you have all the more reason to be anti feminist because there's everything to gain by standing up for yourself in the face of hateful subhumans and absolutely nothing to lose - you aren't going to get married and you aren't going to have kids so there's no reason to subdue yourself to keep a succubus around or retain your status. Being a feminist means accepting a misandrist world view and viewing men as the "enemy team" - this is actively detrimental to the average low status wiz who will only be the more marginalized by society when feminist laws and narratives penetrate his hobbies/work/spaces - which they will.

>Oh my sides, the irony in this one is too much, it's off the charts! You made laugh out loud, thanks.

Nope, keep being a useless feminist tool, I'm actually interested in men's right, turns out that succubi just don't like men very much (men don't either) and this is the basic crux as to how feminism has become so mainstream (if it wasn't it wouldn't be the default narrative everywhere) - all people are like this, I just posted the most explicit ones, you can't wave off a reoccuring trend as simply "hurr dude cherry pickin" unless you know, you're a male feminist troglodyte trying to defend his dumbass arguments. The irony of you perpetuating an actual hateful narrative such as muh patwirachy which is simply used to demonise an entire sex and then calling people who are principled enough to call it out for what it so obviously is as the actual hateful ones, get lost, you're a hostile retard just like everyone else.
>I bet you are one of those people who believe females are out to genocide our whole sex.
I bet you're one of those people who believes in patriarchy theory and the wage gap, oh wait I know for a fact you do because you've been posting about it for weeks in a depression thread, embarrassing. Hey, remember that #killallmen meme, that definitely does not reveal any contempt for the male sex from the average twitter using female now does it? I know you'll say it doesn't because you're a disingenuous twat.

>I don't see men treating wymen as their equal, ever, so no. I think most people are still drunk on the patriarchy meme.

Yeah they don't treat succubi as their equals, they treat them as their superiors ("don't ever hurt a succubus!!!" etc I could go on) - and succubi enjoy/demand this special treatment, like when men pay for a date. A male feminist is the highest tier of white knight, this is without a doubt, instead of blaming this on both men and succubi's choices, you solely blame men through a feminist lens, dumb ass cringetard.

>The vehement hate against SJWs started from imageboards where people are more likely to be contrarian for no reason than to appear as edgy or special snowflake. Now it's so bad that people basically call everyone an SJW they don't like or disagree with.

Actually it came from feminists infiltrating their hobbies and ruining things, sjw is a dodge term, and they never cared about justice. This reveals a lot about you being a very rote fence sitter.

 No.267171

>>266966
If succubi are such advocates for men, where are they protesting male baby knife rape, or the draft, or any of these things designed by men to pander to succubi at the expense of men's wellbeing? Oh that's right, fucking nowhere, because like a white knight yourself you're projecting all these magical traits onto succubi as compassionate and loving, when really they LIKE being treated as the higher caste, they ENJOY their privilege that men supplement them, they DON'T want to be equals, they see themselves as superior to you and they want you to get drafted so they don't have to. I'm generalizing here the same way you (half-correctly) generalize men because this all stems from basic human gender relations and innate behaviors, not societal brainwashing or your schizo patriarchy white genocide tier theory, both genders make your life shit by being subhumans, not just men. You're such a fucking dolt it's insane, patriarchy theory is used to demonise the average man (yes that means you - if you even are a man, not some hostile outsider cunt pushing his dumb blogposts onto unsuspecting wizzies) and perpetuate female victimhood, the problem with this bit of gaslighting is that succubi love to falsely play the victim all the time, and used victimhood to attack men. Just shut up already.

 No.267172

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Anyone else here think about end-of life "care"?
the process of agony? senescence/extreme aging?
Whats the deal with all that,do we rot slowly ,getting crisped degree by degree? Is life a sort of banana thrown to the air,that elevates itself a bit before crashing down helpessly and getting crushed,ending in a sticky mess?

 No.267174

Everyday is aimless. Don't know what to do when nothing is enjoyable.

 No.267178

>>267170
>>267171
Everything is the fault of normal males. They spoil succubi. They give them special status. They create patriarchy with strict gender roles that dictate that all men should be white knights.

It is impossible to be both a white knight and a feminist. Your ignorance is screaming at me. Knights and their moral codes were the result of patriarchy like I said multiple times. A feminist is by definition an anti-white knight.

I love how you list the draft and all these bad things which are done by men against men to appeal to succubi (which you say can't be helped, it's part of human nature so better accept things as they are!) By the way, you are the exception to your own logic. You say men can't help it, they are just enchanted by succubi and would do anything for them, it's biology! Then you go on about how you hate white knights and wymen. Oh? So you aren't a man? Or you secretly want to please wymen too? Which is it? Or your line of logic is just wrong?

Anti-feminist droids can't think for themselves even for a second. And succubi do fight against these things you mentioned to be honest, considering feminism and pacifism go together most of the time they are opposing the draft. Most people who support military activity or violence in general are males, what a surprise…

Feminism serves best weak men and wymen. Anti-feminism or patriarchy, you can call it as you please - they are the same - serve best the interests of powerful men.

 No.267179

>>267059
If you want people to contemplate positive thoughts, you can start by not being a condescending prick.

 No.267182

>>267178
You're extremely fucking delusional, feminist males are the ultimate good serf allies to womyn, literal actual white knights who like you will defend their privilege at all costs by shifting the blame to men at every opportunity. You're by definition a hostile subhuman by aligning yourself with people who don't have the awareness or introspection necessary to maybe consider their own self agency and their gender for the state of things, because I assure you succubi are just as complicit as the men in propping up the vomit inducing state of affairs we exist in. By the way, the world is feminist, so this is the utopia you want, in action, right now, not a patriarchy and never was.

>I love how you list the draft and all these bad things which are done by men against men to appeal to succubi (which you say can't be helped, it's part of human nature so better accept things as they are!) By the way, you are the exception to your own logic. You say men can't help it, they are just enchanted by succubi and would do anything for them, it's biology! Then you go on about how you hate white knights and wymen. Oh? So you aren't a man? Or you secretly want to please wymen too? Which is it? Or your line of logic is just wrong?

I literally did not say that you fucking retard, it can be helped if people actually became aware of their own innate biases like the one against the male sex which both genders share which is fucking obvious by the way if you have any functioning brain cells and aren't a delusional fucking feminist retard (Oh no! - but you are). It's not gonna happen though when hostile Judas cunts like you constitute the majority of the male sex and believe erroneous narratives by nasty people.

>Anti-feminist droids can't think for themselves even for a second. And succubi do fight against these things you mentioned to be honest, considering feminism and pacifism go together most of the time they are opposing the draft. Most people who support military activity or violence in general are males, what a surprise…

The irony of this feminist indoctrinated cretin talking about thinking for himself, get real retard. Here comes the lip service about muh heckin epic feminigs fighting the good fight, yeah I'm not interested, more bullshit. succubi like violence probably more than men if anything, female rulers have started more wars than male rulers and succubi orgasm over their true crime shows, they just prefer to commit violence by proxy.

>Feminism serves best weak men and wymen. Anti-feminism or patriarchy, you can call it as you please - they are the same - serve best the interests of powerful men.

Feminists hate weak men, they hate nerds, they hate low status men who can't provide for them, black succubi treat their men like shit because they're poor etc, you're barefaced lying. You're living in a feminist world right now mongoloid, and wizzies are treated like crap. "Powerful" men still get falsely accused and dog piled by everyone so you're lying yet again.

It's actually disgusting that I share an identity with subhumans like you, you can't advocate for men's right (and by extension wizzies) through a feminist lens you bumbling dipshit.

 No.267185

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How do I get rid of the hatred I feel for most people after years of being bullied and ostracized by society?
I know that I sound like an edgy teenager, but I'm almost 34 and my hatred for normalfags grows with each passing day. I honestly can't hide my disgust everytime I have to go outside and see all these "people" with their normalcattle behaviour. No matter how much I've tried I just can't get rid of the hatred I feel for them.

 No.267187

>>267185
humans are monkys
u are the sick ugly monky
u are enemy
no empathy for u

 No.267190

>>267185
What helped me was being at risk of a stroke due to a family history of high blood pressure. It's strange, but every time I start getting worked up and angry I remember that getting angry about it pointlessly just shreds part of my health away.

You can't do anything about it, so being angry and sneeding just gives them a second victory over you by raising your cortisol levels. Buddha was right about anger being like drinking poison.

 No.267192

>>267190
Good point, thanks anon (I'm not that wizard btw).

 No.267194

>>267185
I've gone through a lot of humiliating situations and bullying and have severe anger issues because of it.

Just do anything to improve your well being, it sounds like shitty advice but it will actually reduce the hateful feelings and anger. Try to get enough sleep every night and eat enough, even better when you are able to exercise here and there. Its also very important to stay away from any online places that contain normie faggotry to not further pollute your subconscious mind.

 No.267195

>>267178
>Knights and their moral codes were the result of patriarchy like I said multiple times
completely false. white knighting, or "amour courtois" (courtly love) is a practice in which recognizing the sovereignty of the succubi is the main tenet. you couldnt have it any other fucking way, the whole idea originated from lowly poets and musicians sleeping with princesses, they couldnt just use their "male privilege" and order the princess to fuck them. if there really was a patriarchy, then the autonomy of succubi wouldnt be respected, and they wouldnt have a fucking choice in who they get married to. but the whole fucking point of romance and courtly love, is erecting rituals and rules to be adhered to (thats why its called courtly love) before the succubus considers a man worthy.

 No.267200

We just got unlucky with life and have to suffer everyday, while others got really lucky and enjoy life at full.

That's pretty much it, that's why life sucks for most people here, I wish people like us could die at birth to avoid suffering but alas, for some reason society is against suicide but at the same time against giving us good lives for free, the game is rigged and the only ways out are either suffering for 70 years or suicide.

 No.267201

>>267195
Agreed and all this "patriarchy" talk seems like an excuse to not accept the difference between men and succubi in an ever failing attempt to make everything equal. Normie guys who believe this feminist propaganda always end up having massive shortcomings in relationships or just become plain simps, it's always the same.

When I look at all these male feminist youtuber types who engage in debates the picture becomes even clearer because they are always in open relationships or in other things that are equally not that great for any man but they manage to lie to themselves really well.

I don't even hate succubi but when they grow up to be self entitled loudmouth feminists it just shows how infantile a lot of them are, they are really like children still expecting everyone to carry them through life and when they get hit with reality they start pouting.

There have been recent surveys and studies on loneliness and they also show that succubi just "feel" lonely while usually never experiencing true loneliness while men who feel lonely usually are in its truest sense. Theres a lot of things out there that just show how many succubi don't know as much about the hardships of life as men do, they always just feel like it and I think this whole thing of feeling and actually experiencing things is one of the main differences between succubi and men.

 No.267203

Sometimes I wake up with energy and do a big roll out of bed, then the energy is gone after walking across the room

 No.267204

>>267200
THIS. I should NEVER reached adulthood. I’m a genetic mistake.

 No.267214

Former uni classmates are graduating in 2 weeks and Im still here doing shit as a NEET.

 No.267215

>>267182
>>267195
>>267201
I don't know why I even bother with you anti-feminists at all since you refuse to understand my points plainly. But I feel like I have a duty to say what is true and to teach the truth to ignorant people so here we go again.

Knight values and morals were based on the belief that females are some angel-like beings, pure and innocent, and that they needed the protection of the strong knight. There is no equality anywhere in it. It is a typical patriarchy related morality where females are like X and males are like Y ALWAYS! Patriarchy doesn't mean that succubi don't have any choices at all. You people are so confused. Patriarchy means any system with strict gender roles and any system that classifies succubi into one category (usually as some weak creatures who can't do anything on their own and therefore need the protection and guidance of the strong alpha male) and males into another. "Feminist white knight" is an oxymoron of the highest level and you morons would know this if you actually bothered to trace the roots of your ideologies. If you are against feminism then you say that you basically agree with knight morality. You want a world where succubi are treated specially because they happen to have a vagina and not a penis. Fantastic.

I don't even know what I should make of these denials. Patriarchy was/is a thing, even most non-feminists agree that patriarchy existed/exists, they just say it wasn't/isn't bad as feminists make it out to be. But to deny that males and females got treated differently, holy hell, you need to be ultra deluded.

>I literally did not say that you fucking retard, it can be helped if people actually became aware of their own innate biases like the one against the male sex which both genders share which is fucking obvious by the way

You said that men are naturally white knights. Now you deny this. Hmm. Inner contradictions? Either men can't resist succubi and they do everything for them because it is in their nature (it's a lie and you know it too) or there is no biological determination about how someone belonging to a certain sex should act. You try to take the cowardly route out now that I exposed your white knight sentiments, bravo.

>the world is feminist

I don't see that much people who say how both sexes are equal and should have equal rights and responsibilities. The western world is more liberal these days but gender roles are still a thing. Males are expected to be X and females to be Y, only the expectations changed slightly.

>succubi like violence probably more than men if anything, female rulers have started more wars than male rulers and succubi orgasm over their true crime shows

Another attempt at re-writing history and putting your head into the sand, nice, go on. Yeah, it is females who LOVE to kill, blow up, shoot or beat people up, right? It is females who always look for some excuse to use violence, right?
All those poor innocent men are just misguided most likely who engage in these things regularly, no? The bros can't be violent assholes, no. It's only the evil succubi who manipulate them, right?

>I don't even hate succubi but when they grow up to be self entitled loudmouth feminists it just shows how infantile a lot of them are, they are really like children still expecting everyone to carry them through life and when they get hit with reality they start pouting.

Congratulations, you described the monster that patriarchy and men created and continue to create still in these days. Why do you think many females are like that? Because Daddy and every male they ever met treated them like special princesses. It's not because of feminism. If they grew up getting feminist education then they would know there is nothing special about them and that everyone is equal regardless of their biological sex.

>>267179
Nice words and being meek only persuade suffering people that it is all right for them to be helpless. It isn't.

 No.267216

>>267215
too gay, didn't read.

 No.267219

>>266952
Update came out of ER after having a 5cm cellulitis abscess drained from my jaw and a tooth pulled. Feel better but Jaw still hurts a lot wish I got hydros.

 No.267223

>>267219
Good for you wiz! If you count taking a step away from death as a good thing, that is.

 No.267266

Filled with dread today.

 No.267273

I feel like everyone around me is happy but me

 No.267309

I've been playing a small text based game with about 100 players for years now, and it was also the sole reason I had discord so we could raid together. 2 weeks ago I deleted my character and also deleted discord thinking it might improve my life but now I deeply regret it. Those people were my only social interaction in life and that game was the only thing I looked forward to playing on my toaster PC. I'm extremely bored now and have no idea what to do, I think I'm going crazy.

 No.267314

>>267266
I feel dread when I do nothing, but then when I try to do something the dread prevents me from concentrating. Then I go back to feeling dread for doing nothing

 No.267383

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my soul is going into the incinerator.

 No.267413

Living with my parents for 10 years has given me insane cabin fever. I desperately want to get away from them but there's nothing around me for miles. Trapped like a rat in a cage.

 No.267415

So low I can't even eat. I just want to ruminate all day.

 No.267416

>>267309
If we didn't have to eat, we wouldn't.

 No.267417

>>267416
I know you're making a metaphor here but I do wish I didn't have to eat.

 No.267427

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>>267383
Really like this artists works.

 No.267428

>>267215
Feminism had been terrible for society. If you can’t see that then you’ve been deluded.

 No.267457

>>267428
He finally shut up and you really want to provoke him to come and spew his idiocy again?

 No.267487

>>267428
Terrible as in what? Destroying traditional gender roles like the independent male and letting you stay at home watching anime while your mom works instead of you?

 No.267488

>>267215
>"Feminist white knight" is an oxymoron of the highest level and you morons would know this if you actually bothered to trace the roots of your ideologies. If you are against feminism then you say that you basically agree with knight morality. You want a world where succubi are treated specially because they happen to have a vagina and not a penis. Fantastic.
You are retarded, simple as, feminists defend female privilege, as a male feminist this makes you a white knight, speaking of being ignorant, you're one of the dumbest most demented motherfuckers going if you can't put two and two together. Yeah they got treated differently - they got treated better, as you keep regurgitating and then somehow saying this is actually bad because [insert dumb feminist rhertoric here].

>Either men can't resist succubi and they do everything for them because it is in their nature (it's a lie and you know it too) or there is no biological determination about how someone belonging to a certain sex should act.

Men ARE naturally white knights, look around you retard, it's not muh heckin gender roles brainwashing people because um like patriarchy and wage gap, men adore succubi, that's it, you're entire patriarchy gaslighting garbage falls apart when you consider feminism is default everywhere and readily accepted by everyone (and men) - this must mean the heckin' evil menerios are not actually conditioned to treat succubi as sex objects and pets, but the opposite. You're also giving the average person too much credit, implying they've even self aware enough to understand their own motivations or desires, monkey see monkey do, man see succubus, man like, this is how people behave everywhere. What I actually never said is that we should just accept it, it's garbage and should be rejected completely. If you wanted to change things you would have to make people actually aware of their own subconscious biases but they'll never do that when retards like you are spewing hate movement propaganda and blaming men for everything because succubi only have agency when it suits my narrative, stupid trog.

>I don't see that much people who say how both sexes are equal and should have equal rights and responsibilities. The western world is more liberal these days but gender roles are still a thing. Males are expected to be X and females to be Y, only the expectations changed slightly.

You don't, despite literally all organisations, media, journalists and institutions espousing feminist rhetoric? Oh yeah, that's because feminism was never about equality. succubi don't want to be subject to the draft, or child support/alimony, or work shitty jobs. Feminists (succubi) want men in their gender roles - any talk about getting rid of gender roles is false, and is just lip service designed to gaslight men and mislead them. Feminism in fact fights to keep gender roles and female privilege in place because traditional parasitical gender roles benefit succubi and their easy mode lifestyles.

>Another attempt at re-writing history and putting your head into the sand, nice, go on. Yeah, it is females who LOVE to kill, blow up, shoot or beat people up, right? It is females who always look for some excuse to use violence, right?

My point was to show that succubi can be just as evil as men - they also kill their own babies a lot and coin the phrase "postpartum depression" as a way to exonerate baby killing (so they generally get off scot-free). But wait nooo my heckin social conditioning, succubi are meant to be the ultimate caregivers because like patriarchy makes them clean diapers and stuff, what do you mean succubi abuse children more than men?
You have no grasp on the history of feminism either so you can shut your mouth dumbass - here's one of your idols:
>"We [succubi] are, as a sex, infinitely superior to men" Elizabeth Cady Stanton quoted in as Revealed in Her Letters, Diary and Reminiscences
>The aforementioned Stanton, one of the early founders of the feminist movement, was an ardent racist, eugenicist and a slave owner. Throughout her life, she fought hard against the emancipation of black people in the US. In the 1860s, she struck an alliance with the openly racist leaders of the Kansas Democratic Party and together with them worked to oppose black enfranchisement in the US.
>'I will cut off this right arm of mine before I will ever work or demand the ballot for the Negro and not the succubus.' Said leader of the suffragette movement in the US and early feminist Susan B Anthony in a meeting with an abolitionist in 1867. She opposed the 15th Amendment.
I could post more - like I've been saying, hateful and malicious, modern feminists are no different, people are the same everywhere.

You're a dumb subhuman serf who thinks he's part of some epic counter culture despite being extremely generic without any original thoughts in his head, eat shit and stop embarrassing yourself already.

 No.267492

>>267487
There was no traditional gender role of the independent male you dumb fuck, literally making shit up to try to look smart, men were and still are expected to le man up and provide for a succubus and shit out cumspawn while taking on taxing responsibilities.
This guy should be banned for disparaging the NEET lifestyle and also for just being an all around hostile cunt that wants low status men like wizards to suffer under the boot of hateful feminists, if you have a spine or value your self esteem you'll ignore whatever this misguiding cretin has to say, it's really a shame I share my website and hobbies with people of such low character; this is why we can't have nice things.

 No.267494

>>267488
>Men ARE naturally white knights, look around you retard, it's not muh heckin gender roles brainwashing people because um like patriarchy and wage gap, men adore succubi, that's it
So you adore succubi too? After all you are a man (I guess) biologically so based on your thinking you should be out there helping females and doing everything for them. But wait, you actually disprove your own theory by hating wymen! You are a man who hates females, don't you see the paradox here? If men are by nature, by biology white knights then you can't do anything about it. You run to biology to explain why wymen are treated differently when it is clear that you don't believe in your own theories either. It's this easy: people behave based on gender roles which are taught to them by mainstream society (as I claim) or people behave based on their natural urges only which you claim manifests in men being white knights. Choose. You can't have both whenever one or the other suits your agenda better.

>Yeah they got treated differently - they got treated better, as you keep regurgitating and then somehow saying this is actually bad because [insert dumb feminist rhertoric here].

What is better for someone? If they are treated like some special queen by giving them attention and help always (even if they don't need it) and in the name of protection they are sheltered from living an independent life or if they have equal rights/responsibilities? Hm.

I really don't care about what you cherrypick out, be they quotes or certain movements claiming to be feminists. As I said many times, feminism is about equality. If you can't understand a simple definition then don't bother to reply.

>menerios are not actually conditioned to treat succubi as sex objects and pets, but the opposite.

I see, still deluded. Nothing can help you. All those free wymen living in muslim countries even nowadays. Yeah, patriarchy doesn't exist, nope. It is a lie!! Get it?! Because you don't agree with it it isn't a thing! Simple. And wymen not having equal rights with men for most of history? Just a lie too made up by the evil feminists, right? Get your brain checked out, browsing anti-feminist sites destroyed your brain cells.

>You're a dumb subhuman serf who thinks he's part of some epic counter culture despite being extremely generic without any original thoughts in his head

Wow, you described yourself quite accurately. It's not like there are whole chans, subcultures and im.boards where you can discuss how much you hate feminism all day! You are a special snowflake for rebelling against the evil succs who want to oppress you, yeah, a real free thinker and freedom fighter, sir, that you are.

>My point was to show that succubi can be just as evil as men - they also kill their own babies a lot and coin the phrase "postpartum depression" as a way to exonerate baby killing (so they generally get off scot-free). But wait nooo my heckin social conditioning, succubi are meant to be the ultimate caregivers because like patriarchy makes them clean diapers and stuff, what do you mean succubi abuse children more than men?

Yes succubi can be evil, I never said otherwise? But it is clear which sex is the crueler and more violent one I think. Men celebrate violence and think highly of it, not females. You can't change history and reality despite trying really hard to pull this off. And I still love how you pull things out of your anus. Yeah, females abuse children sexually more than men do…God, you are retarded or just trolling.

 No.267495

>>267492
>There was no traditional gender role of the independent male you dumb fuck
>men were and still are expected to le man up and provide for a succubus and shit out cumspawn while taking on taxing responsibilities.

You realize this is a contradiction? You deny that there are gender roles and then you go on to describe the gender roles of men.

>This guy should be banned for disparaging the NEET lifestyle

But I didn't say anything negative about being a NEET? Learn to read properly or stop putting words into my mouth.

>hostile cunt

>cretin
>dumb fuck
I'm not the one insulting people who don't happen to agree with me. Which is btw a sign that you don't have any constructive to add to the discussion and should just shut up.

 No.267503

On my millionth attempt to make a change to my life that has a lasting effect and deep down I know, nothing is changing this mind. While I live I experience an unpleasant consciousness, suicide soon I hope.

 No.267523

>>267413
Same, except there's no way for me to get away.
Also, why is there a feminism discussion itt? Really weird, haven't visited wizchan for months.

 No.267526

This feminist moron and that pro-natalist retard should’ve been banned long time ago(both could be same retard). Mod scum are not doing their job.

 No.267527

>>267523
It's one feminist faggot who puts huge effort into shitting every thread up, he's been doing it for some time now despite no one agreeing with him on anything

 No.267533

Feeling intense anguish immense regret and shame. I have been such a fool I sick of obsessing's over things which make me miserable.

 No.267534

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I'm already 31 and all I feel I have to look forward is some god forsaken grind just to exist.
I have no idea how people can stand it, but I guess that's why people have friends and start families to begin with.

 No.267535

>>267523
>Same, except there's no way for me to get away.

Do you have a physical problem like being in a wheel chair?

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 No.267537

>>267534
Only way for wiz to survive is induce schizophrenia from heavy cannabis use.

 No.267538

>>267534
It feels like once you reach 30 your whole future is determined and you can only look forward to suffering until the end. It sucks especially when you were mentally lost all your life just to wake up in a never ending nightmare, the way this world works is just pathetic.

 No.267541

>>267527
I try to have quality discussion, not my fault that some people here are way too sensitive and can't handle opinions contrary to their own.

>>267526
>could be the same
You probably mean me by both of these things. Yes, I'm a wizard who happens to be a feminist and who is opposed to antinatalism. What will you do about it?

 No.267542

>>267541
>I'm a wizard who happens to be a feminist
based
>and who is opposed to antinatalism
cringe

 No.267545

>>267542
feminism and antinatalism are two of the most pea brained philosophies, combining them results in negative brain mass. imagine thinking subjective experience could cease to exist, or that matter is primary over consciousness. you might as well endorse naive realism. or genies coming out of lamps. holy fuark wizzy…

 No.267546

>>267542
Antinatalism is baby's first existential crisis-tier non-ideology. It is a joke of an ideology like pessimism is. When a young adult is confronted with "the horrible reality" that life isn't a porn movie actually then he falls for pessimism and antinatalism. "Oh I can't spend all my time indulging in animal pleasures boohoo" "God, life contains both pleasure and suffering, it's not worth living, better not bring any children onto this cruel world :( "

Once you mature enough you see how stupid both pessimism and antinat are in reality.

 No.267547


 No.267548

>>267546
Why are they stupid? They aren't just because you say they are.

 No.267549

>>267546
at least they are capable of making some form of attempt at a coherent argument whereas you seem to not know where to begin

 No.267550

>>267546
I mean the diminishing of suffering is a modern philosophy of western middle class retards. “Oh suffering is good, like when I go to the gym and lift weights it’s suffering that I sublimate” like lmao that’s seriously how deep of insight the other side provides.

Almost all philosophy is retarded when used by the average person, that’s why there’s a trillion hours of dudes on YouTube chatting the same shit that makes their audience feel better and academic philosophy papers actually trying to understand the complexity barely get read by more than 3 people.

It doesn’t really matter much does it 🚗 beep beep

 No.267551

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>>267546
Antinatalism is good because it predominately afflicts redditors though

 No.267560

>>267541
Almost every single thread I see contains your feminist faggotry, you are greta thunberg tier annoying with your opinion spreading, talk about something else for a minute faggot or you are not better than any other political shill on here. Go to reddit if you can't stfu about your feminist opinion for not even a second, you always get triggered as soon as someone remotely wrote something about succubi and you always use it to make it about feminism like a cunt. Just relax for a minute and don't shit up every thread you enter.

 No.267567

>>266183
I'm just so fucking tired of it all.
I just want to sleep and not worry about a thing.

 No.267580

>>267548
>>267549
They are stupid and incoherent because the ones who try to spread the gospel of pessimism and antinatalism are still alive. They are the proof against their own theory that life is unbearable. No, it's not. If you honestly felt that way then you wouldn't be alive.
>b-but self-preservation instinct :(
Not an argument as it is completely within the realm of possibility to kill yourself.

These ideologies share the same malicious roots. They were created by closet hedonists who highly valued the pleasures of this world despite claiming that pleasure is just a carrot on the stick.
Another nice paradox of them is fixation on suffering. Ah, uh, pleasure is bad because it is fleeting and it's, like, ug, doesn't even exist but FOR SOME REASON we should really get worked up about suffering and stuff, it's not like it is just as temporary as pleasure is, uhh, ohhh…A-and it's not like I-I enjoy life or anything, b-baka, I hate life, what I enjoy is only..umm, cope or escapism, yeah that's it!! Who would derive any pleasure from this life, r-right?!
Oh and death means there is no value to life! Even if you enjoy life you'll die one day, see stupid optimist retard, hehe..W-what? Death means suffering will end soon too? T-That doesn't matter. I hate and whine about death but also want to die at the same time, see, I'm so much of a pessimist that you can say anything to me I will always find a reason to complain!!

Makes me shudder in shame to think that I used to take pessimism and antinat seriously when I was younger. It's teenager's second obligatory philosophy, the first one being hedonism. Granted, both are delusional and foolish.

>>267550
The way I see it the loudest supporters of ideologies like hedonism, pessimism, antinatalism or utilitarianism are funnily mostly 1st world middle/upper class people who never really had any troubles in life. People who actually went through trauma, war, violence, poverty, hunger don't think much about suffering because they are used to it.

>It doesn’t really matter much does it

It doesn't but it is just annoying how many people try to reduce humanity to simple machines that act/think on the pleasure-suffering axis mainly when it is obvious for any honest person that people reason and make choices that disregard this axis quite often.

>>267551
https://www.reddit.com/r/antinatalism/

You are welcome. There is nothing special about antinatalism considering there are quite a few normals who are devoted to it. If anything, it is another herd ideology that wants to save humanity from suffering…Oh, that's just what we need. Another moral-crazy holier than thou system that wants to reduce suffering, like we haven't seen that countless times though history.

>>267560
It's shilling if I voice my opinions but it isn't when you preach patriarchy and its values to us? Nice double standards. Again, it's not me who complains about people disagreeing with me. It's you who can't handle different opinions. Chill.

 No.267581

>>267580
>life is unbearable
Not a claim that antinatal or pessimist philosophy makes.
>it's not like it is just as temporary as pleasure
It has nothing to do with whether it is temporary or not - it has to do with a qualitative difference. I also don't understand this implication that something has no value because it's temporary? Why does that matter in the slightest?
>Death means suffering will end soon too? T-That doesn't matter.
Who is saying this? Yes, the fact that everyone will eventually die is good if we're being consistent. I don't see why you struggle to grasp this so much.
>teenager's second obligatory philosophy
Who cares?
>mostly 1st world middle/upper class people
Who cares?
>quite a few normals who are devoted to it.
boring. Another imageboard retard who fell for the normie meme.
>Another moral-crazy holier than thou system that wants to reduce suffering
Damn straight. Seethe about it.

So the feminist-anon is the same person as the optimist-anon? Talk about a plot twist.

 No.267582

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Woke up and the thought of living another day was so disgusting I instantly felt nauseous and threw up

 No.267586

>It's teenager's second obligatory philosophy, the first one being hedonism. Granted, both are delusional and foolish.

This is probably the most humorous charge against pessimism. Pessimism is probably the oldest life philosophy. From Buddhism, to Christianity, Islam, there is no shortage of religions which are heavily pessimistic about life on earth.

 No.267593

>>267586
islam is overall an optimistic religion, like paganism and judaism. only christianity and buddhism have the kernel of world hate in them

 No.267599

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i existed.
i wanted to spend my childhood studying math, programming, drawing and music. i wanted to read hundreds of books during my childhood. i wanted to work on projects. and get a dozen gold medals in international olympiads in highschool to show what i can do. then go to princeton and win the putnam 4 times too. and get a phd, and write a lot, write a lot, write a lot and spend the rest of my life working on my projects, maybe work for the government or a big bank.
i love drawing, music and math so much. you have no idea. i breathe and exhale these things. you cant imagine the prison and hell this life has been. ill have to stop breathing because theres no hope.
i dont know, i wish i could explain what my childhood and life until now was like. my parents were very violent, and i am very sensitive, so i was confused and scared and stuck my head in the sand like an ostrich, and i would spend all my "free" time sobbing in my bedroom, and they messed my head with meds since i was little, and i wasnt born into an even modestly well off family, i dont know.
i really wish i could start over. i wish i were born into a better life, or the same life but that some factors were not present. i dont wish i had friends or material wealth or physical beauty or anything like that, just that i could have been myself from the start, free to choose.
now i have a chance to experience things i never got to, i have plenty of free time to read the books ive always wanted to read, and learn at least math and programming because i will never afford a drawing tablet or music things in my life. i dont think this will last long. this might be completely retarded but i think my country will become a communist narcostate with hyperinflation and massive unemployment and crime. if it doesnt there are other problems like global economic crisis, climate and so on, i dont think ill be able to be a neet for as long as i need to learn everything i want to learn, i dont assume that will be possible. so ive given up hope, i will keep walking because i have a hard wired sense of duty, i will spend every moment of my existence studying but i know ill die starving homeless on some street.
i will never have seen the light of the day, ill never get to show you why i am here, but at least in the end i got to experience what i wanted my childhood to be like.
i dont know how to describe what it feels. i think my soul is dying, and being replaced by something wicked. i feel like i dont want anything anymore and am content with just existing, if a lamp genie came out to me and granted me 3 wishes i would ask them to go away. i dont know, i think i wasnt supposed to give up hope, i think i have procrastinated until now and i was too afraid to drown my own soul, but ill try really doing it now.
i stopped eating. i live only on a bottle of milk a day now. and tap water. i stopped mast*rbating , listening to music, viewing images, and so many things. i will surrender completely to the state of flow/hyperfocus and never leave it again. its scary.
i think i might stop believing in god temporarily to assume responsibility for my own life but i know god exists. shes a kind mom who loves all of her children.

 No.267600

>>267599
>i stopped eating. i live only on a bottle of milk a day now
Oh, come on… You have to eat something. Even bread would be better than a single bottle of milk. Don't starve yourself.

 No.267601

I'm such an idiot.

 No.267603

This fucking insomnia is driving me crazy. I literally got less than 3 hours last night. I just want it to stop

 No.267604

i still dream about friends that i had in middle school that i haven't seen in almost 10 years, i'm only 22 so the memory of school is fresh in my mind but i hope this goes away as i become older, it's peculiar because i very rarely interacted with them outside of school and upsetting because i don't care about them yet these dreams occur

 No.267607

>>267581
> So the feminist-anon is the same person as the optimist-anon? Talk about a plot twist.

I already did predict that. No surprise that all the shit, evil and lies on wizchan comes from 1 person. That feminist , pro-natalist need to be banned asap.

 No.267608

>>267607
You could tell by the tone of the posts for months that these posters autistically obsessed with a small handful of empty contrarian viewpoints were one and the same. (S)he just stalks dep daily to shit on depressives because that's how he copes with his own trash life (despite how much he will claim to be happy, which begs the question why he is obsessed with shitting on depressives on a dead forum in the digital boondocks). It's some sad ritual to affirm his own retarded worldview and apply epoxy to his fragile ego.

 No.267620

>>267581
Can you connect sentences properly and form an actual coherent text instead of greentexting and offering one-liners? Please? It's not hard, you do it like this, see?

Pessimists and antinat philosophy does make the claim that life is unbearable. Otherwise why would they care about preventing the birth of others?

Pessimists always come with the idea that pleasure doesn't count because it is always temporary and fleeting, that's why I mentioned this idea in relation to suffering too. You really should get familiar with the ideologies you defend, no? What you say about pleasure can always be turned back on you by applying it to suffering too. Common mistake of the pessimists.
>qualitative difference
And what would that be?

Again, I mentioned death and what I said in relation it because pessimism is full of contradictions like this. If someone says he is happy you people say it doesn't matter because we will die one day…However, you fail to apply this to suffering again. If we all die one day then it doesn't matter if people suffer or not.

>who cares?

Excellent arguments. Do continue. Shame yourself even more.

Hah, so you now question the normal-wizard distinction? What are you, some outsider? Really…

I'm not seething about you people, just find you pathetic in a funny way. You are stuck in your teenager years still with this attitude of yours. If you can't advance beyond pessimism then that tells a lot about how worthless you are as an invividual.

>>267586
>>267593
That's not what I meant at all. I said that young people, teenagers and people who are mentally stuck in that phase are more likely to fall for pessimism (just like for hedonism). The pessimist starts out as a hedonist. Hedonism is the first life philosophy of most people. But the pessimist only covets the pleasures of this earth and realizes he can't get most of them. He gets butthurt and turns to pessimism. The pessimist is a failed or wannabe hedonist only. Both share the same avoidance when it comes to any kind of suffering and both are conformist.

>buddhism

>christianity
Despite what Arthur Schopenhauer thought these religions have nothing to do with pessimism. Artie boy liked to project hard, that's the sad truth.
Christianity is about the joy of salvation and happiness that God loves us and saved us from damnation. God will judge everyone justly and give everyone what he deserves so everything will turn out well. It is about optimism.

Buddhism maintains that happiness can be reached by anyone with the right methods. It also has the karma system which basically makes sure that good people go further up the chain of reincarnation while evil people go down. Again, it is about optimism, not pessimism. Considering buddhism teaches that even the cruelest people can be saved and find redemption it is even more optimistic than christianity.

Celebrating your own misery and masturbating to how much you suffer became a trend after Schopenhauer and Nietzsche. They introduced this whining about nothing and everything mentality into mainstream culture.

>>267607
>>267608
The true wiz police is calling for my ban. How adorable. Maybe try giving some good arguments instead of looking for excuses to get rid of me, you crybabies.

 No.267621

>>267620
>instead of greentexting and offering one-liners
I'll do what I please. I don't come to wizchan for serious discussions. That would be ridiculous. I have better things to do.
>Pessimists and antinat philosophy does make the claim that life is unbearable
Antinatalism makes the claim that birth is unethical - Specifically that for the being being birthed, it is always dispreferable to come into existence. I am not read on pessimism, but I must assume it makes some form of claim that existence is dispreferable from nonexistence - Neither of these propositions require any "unbearable" element to existence, whatever that means. Just that one state be dispreferable to another. If we're judging things on the metric of suffering, and we say that nonexistence has none, that it would logically follow that any existence with potential for suffering would be dispreferable to nonexistence. That is the logic. So no, there is no inherent element of either philosophy which makes that claim.
>If someone says he is happy you people say it doesn't matter because we will die one day
Stop strawmanning. If anyone is making that claim, it isn't me. I just explained to you that temporality is irrelevant.
>If we all die one day then it doesn't matter if people suffer or not.
No? I just stated that I don't agree with this. Jesus christ dude.

I value suffering because I agree with these propositions:
1. There is always a need to prevent unnecessary suffering.
The badness of suffering is self-evident in it's own experience - it cannot be suffering by definition if it is not experienced as a bad.
2. There is no need to bring about pleasant experiences because the non-existent, the inanimate, and the entity that can't suffer don't suffer deprivation.
If you value the creation of pleasure even when there is no being for whom the deprivation of it can be a harm, then I cannot argue further, because we are at a fundamental axiological disagreement. Even if I grant that pleasure has a evalutive element, there is still no qualitative aspect in the experience or disexperience of pleasure which holds an urgency for it's own affirmation.
3. Therefore all possible trades of suffering for pleasant experiences are sub-optimal, because you are causing suffering for something that was not needed.
I can't explain it deeper to you than that. Suffering has an inherent element that calls out for it's own negation. But there is nothing in the universe with an inherent element that calls out for pleasures creation before desire creates the deprivation needed for it.

I don't care if you agree with me - That is my axiology. That is why I do not see pleasure and suffering as equivalent, but rather asymmetrical.

>Excellent arguments

Heh, what? You wanted an elaborate, reasoned response to your ad hominem? Come on…. For good measure, why don't you throw out a couple more-
>You are stuck in your teenager years still with this attitude of yours. If you can't advance beyond pessimism then that tells a lot about how worthless you are as an invividual.
You are a king.

>normal-wizard distinction? What are you, some outsider?

I don't belong anywhere. I'm simply myself.

 No.267624

>>267620
Also
>Buddhism
>Again, it is about optimism, not pessimism
Buddhism of all things?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism
It's in the second paragraph of the wikipedia article:
As expressed in the "Four Noble Truths" of the Buddha, the goal of Buddhism is to overcome the suffering (duḥkha) caused by desire (taṇhā) and ignorance (avidyā) of reality's true nature, including impermanence (anitya) and non-self (anātman). Most Buddhist traditions emphasize transcending the individual self through the attainment of nirvāṇa (lit. 'quenching') or by following the path of Buddhahood, ending the cycle of death and rebirth (saṃsāra)

Wikipedia defines philosophical pessimism is a family of philosophical views that assign a negative value to life or existence. Buddhism is literally about denying suffering by escaping the cycle of reincarnation - It is about denying life. This makes it congruent with philosophical pessimism.

 No.267627

I wish there were a place on the internet where discussing

sex
religion
politics

Meant an insta-ban. It's impossible to get away from these topics.

 No.267628

>>267621
Yeah, you don't come here for serious discussions, after all you are just eager to reply to me the minute I write my post with some pseudo-intellectual nonsense garbage post essay. You are SO cool. Wow, wiz, you don't even care about our discussion. You are one cool cat.
No, seriously, I like how you actually care by responding with a properly written post. You are eager to please others, right? The average pessimist.

>Antinatalism makes the claim that birth is unethical

>I am not read on pessimism, but I must assume it makes some form of claim that existence is dispreferable from nonexistence
Yeah so could you finally read between the lines or come to the logical conclusion of this train of thought, onegai? You can word it in different ways but both of these imply that life is unbearable. If they found life to be fun then they would have no problem with existence considering both of these philosophies are centered around the pleasure-suffering axis. Nobody is a pessimist or antinat and enjoys life himself. If we do come across a person like that then we have to question how dedicated and serious he is about his personal philosophy.

So what, you say suffering being temporary doesn't matter, I said pessimist thinkers generally dismiss pleasure because they think it is temporary. If it doesn't apply to you then why do you even mention it?

>The badness of suffering is self-evident in it's own experience

How is it self-evident? If you don't suffer you don't experience pleasure either and you just wrote it down too. Why don't you apply your philosophy to your own life? End it if you think life is just meaningless suffering. But you are here, talking with me. So you embrace suffering and the pleasures of this existence. So much for you and your philosophy. You are saying Yes to life every minute you spend living. The pessimist or antinatalist is the living contradiction to his own ideology.
These philosophies emerged as malicious tools to corrupt people with. Most pessimist philosophers or antinatalists you adore didn't have any tough problems in existence, I would even say they enjoyed it. It's such a phony worldview. But hey, if you derive pleasurefrom being a pessimist then go ahead and continue. But at least don't be such a fanatic or dogmatist about it.

>I don't belong anywhere.

OK, so basically if you wrote the truth about yourself you'd be banned. Good to know! On another note, you certainly come across as someone who does want to belong to the "true wiz" circle desperately. You perfectly embody the pessimist hive-mind that is so popular among fellow "wizards".

>>267624
Buddhism or its western counterpart, stoicism is miles above pessimism. Both Buddhism and stoicism offer solutions to suffering and how to derive the most from existence in their own way. Both of them say that you don't need anything to be happy, in fact happiness depends on you yourself. Contemplating positive thoughts is an important practice in many versions of Buddhism. Whining, constantly complaining, giving in to despair or being sad or angry at existence have no place in either stoicism or Buddhism or any other eastern religions.

Pessimism is a butchered version of those two. Schopenhauer came to the same conclusions too on most things but he didn't offer any solutions. It was about masturbating to his misery and depression. Buddhism and stoicism can actually give you peace, meanwhile pessimism will only make you a retarded, narrow-minded fanatic who refuses to let go of his suffering in order to justify his retarded theory.

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>>267628
>you don't even care about our discussion.
No, I evidently care. Otherwise, I wouldn't have responded. First you wanted me to respond without one-liners, and then you faulted me for responding properly… Geez, anon. Does anything satisfy you?
>You are eager to please others, right?
That conclusions out of left field. Yes, I think I have an unfortunate bad habit of that, although it's unrelated to the discussion.
>You can word it in different ways but both of these imply that life is unbearable.
I just explained why this isn't the case, but ignore it I guess. When you say unbearable, do you mean "impossible to bear?" - If life was inherently unbearable, wouldn't that imply that everyone would have killed themeselves, since bearing with life would be literally impossible? That obviously isn't the case - Only particular persons have committed suicide. What we can say is that life contains the potential for unbearable suffering to occur, and that every life contains suffering in varying quantities, which is the argument I make.
>If it doesn't apply to you then why do you even mention it?
…You brought it up. And no, to be exact, you said "you people".
>How is it self-evident?
It feels bad.
>You are saying Yes to life every minute you spend living. The pessimist or antinatalist is the living contradiction to his own ideology.
I know. Indeed - it would be in my interest to commit suicide at the soonest possible instance; preferably painlessly.
>Most pessimist philosophers or antinatalists you adore didn't have any tough problems in existence
I don't care? This has nothing to do with the actual argument.
>But hey, if you derive pleasure from being a pessimist then go ahead and continue.
I didn't exactly have a choice. I can't delude myself into thinking something which I consider to be unreasonable or false. I cannot say holding this view bring me especially much pleasure or displeasure in of itself. Discussing it certainly doesn't bring me any pleasure, but pondering adjacent topics and considering the more recondite nuances can be rather fun.

I don't know if you noticed this, but you went almost your entire post without making a single actual argument. The only one you did make was this:
>If you don't suffer you don't experience pleasure either and you just wrote it down too
But I already explained why my axiology considers this irrelevant, so it's a moot point. I don't consider the absence of pleasure bad.
>OK, so basically if you wrote the truth about yourself you'd be banned.
I'm a virgin. I just don't care about cliques. I got enough of that in high school.
>Both Buddhism and stoicism offer solutions to suffering and how to derive the most from existence in their own way.
Yes, and Buddhism's ideas fall under the umbrella of philosophical pessimism. You stated earlier that the contrary was true - and I was pointing out that you are objectively wrong. Indeed, stoicism and Buddhism are laudable ideologies for the reasons you explained. I have certain inclinations towards them - I try to practice detachment and to not suffer needlessly where it is unnecessary. Or, as stoicism would advise, to remain tortured by things such that I cannot have any effect on. I am not especially good at it, and my brain generally works against me, but it is something I pursue. In the same manner, I have found my suffering-focused leanings similarly useful - When I remember that I cannot rationally justify causing myself suffering, it often allows me to reign in my emotions and compulsions and to direct myself towards things that on the contrary bring me peace of mind. It is very hard to do, and moreover it is not a solution, but it works as a coping mechanism. Presently, I am not doing a good job sticking to this. As an example, what I should be doing right now - instead of talking to you - is playing Jet Set radio on the dreamcast, or reading one of the books on my shelf. Alas, I am a fool.

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 No.267653

>>267190
Really tough when you live with psycho parents who keep you on edge everyday

 No.267657

>>267627
Agreed, religion is fine with me but sex, politics, work is so fucking tiring to listen to. That's all normalfags talk about, who fucked who and who makes what money and which politician lied about fuckall. I can't stand trendy normalfag trash and people dick-measuring what their irl stats are on an anonymous forum.

 No.267661

https://youtu.be/qiiWdTz_MNc

I wish when joaquin phoenix won the best actor oscar for joker, he had the balls and defied hollywood and started talking about struggling men/the issues lonely men get from society

 No.267665

>>267632
Responding this way is fine. I don't like one-liner greentexting but the opposite is also just as bad when people go off rambling about something for needlessly long.
I wouldn't consider correct what you say about some things to be unrelated to the discussion. First, you being eager to please others. A man's psychology is strongly related to what ideologies he has a liking for. As someone who is so concerned with preventing the suffering of as many as possible it was clear to me you have some complex about always helping others, serving others and sacrificing yourself for others. Your philosophical ideal is always just your representation ultimately, true for everyone.
Second, about pessimists usually not having any problems. It is related to the discussion because it again tells us a lot. Pessimists and antinatalists are hedonists, they are more hedonists than actual hedonists. They love this world and its pleasures so much that they are scared of losing these pleasure to an insane degree. At that degree love turns into hatred and you have the pessimist. The pessimist is the tsundere hedonist basically.

>do you mean "impossible to bear?"

Obviously not in that sense you understand it. What I meant is that both antinatalism and pessimism imply that life isn't any fun and that it is a negative thing mostly.

>It feels bad.

I'm afraid you will have to come up with something more elaborate or better to explain this. Why is suffering more important than pleasure? You say not being able to experience pleasure isn't bad but not experiencing suffering is somehow good? Why, come again?

If you were serious about suicide then you'd have done it already. Like most people here you don't want to die either. You just want a more pleasurable existence. The idea of suicide is the actual cope and escapism here if anything. Do you have any concrete plans at least? Or did you attempt it at previously?

>Buddhism

What is exactly pessimist about it? It promises you happiness and delivers it right on this Earth. It doesn't say that suffering is some omnipotent enemy you can't control. Buddhists don't advocate for antinatalism exactly either. Being celibate is done for your own sake and not for the sake of "preventing future suffering" as antinats reason. Buddhism teaches you are responsible for yourself and if you are unhappy then it is your fault only. Traditional buddhists believe in reincarnation and karma, that it is possible to ascend to higher realms or to even reach Nirvana. While secular or modern buddhists believe that Nirvana is something you should try to reach while alive. In either case, it is up to you. It's not different from Christianity in this way, that it leaves it up to the individual what he will do with his life. The only big difference between Buddhism and Christianity is that Buddhism doesn't have the whole divine providence thing. Christianity teaches the world is good even in its fallen state because it is in God's plan for it to exist this way and that everything happens because God allowed it to happen for the greater good. Buddhism teaches the philosophy of absurd and that there is no cosmic rationality behind things.
Schopenhauer and pessimists in general on a superficial level may seem to be compatible with Buddhism, stoicism or some religions but that's deceiving. These ideologies, unlike pessimism, don't assign a negative value to life or existence. They teach you self-denial because it leads to a certain happiness and peace, not because life is so horrible omg!!

>It is very hard to do, and moreover it is not a solution, but it works as a coping mechanism.

See, this is the true difference between pessimists and buddhists. You call it only a cope and dismiss it as worthless in the face of existence and suffering. While Buddhism is about overcoming suffering, not giving in to fear and despair or fatalism. You lack the courage and endurance of a buddhist. This is why pessimism is about celebrating your weakness and suffering.

 No.267669

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>>267665
Anon, I do not wish to post on wizchan for the forseeable future; I fear the use of such social platforms is having a net-negative effect on my life, and as such I will not respond further than what you are reading.

>some complex about always helping others, serving others and sacrificing yourself for others.

This is entirely unrelated to an abstract philosophical discussion. There is no reasonable way you can claim otherwise. If we must discuss my personal phycology, I believe it to be incredibly intricate, but I would submit that my personal investment in these ideas has little to do with helping others - because I must admit that I am not so empathetic that I would prioritize others over myself - but rather from an angle of abstraction and self-denial. Moreover, it comes from an inherent need to understand and to control things, and to account for everything - I have OCD like traits. It happens that deriving all of my conclusions from such simple, intuitive axioms allows me to much easier order together the chaos of the world into a mental framework.

>It is related to the discussion because it again tells us a lot

It tells us nothing about an abstract philosophical argument, but rather about people. Anon, you've surely heard this quote before: "Great minds discuss ideas. Average minds discuss events. Small minds discuss people." - This is a discussion about ideas. Not the persons whom choose to espouse them, which is why I submit that it is completely irrelevant.

>What I meant is that both antinatalism and pessimism imply that life isn't any fun and that it is a negative thing mostly.

Indeed, then, this was a semantic misunderstanding. If I could clarify my position: I believe that existence, even an existence consisting of a relatively small amount of suffering, is dispreferable to nonexistence. This conclusion derives from my notion that all suffering ought to be avoided, and that there is no urgency to create pleasure. As for the claim you mention, I personally wouldn't make such blankets statements about all of life: It is demonstrably false to say that life cannot be fun. I would indeed agree that the amount of suffering and pleasure in existence are quite asymmetrical, and that suffering vastly outweighs pleasure in both the actualized and potential senses. Even the most cursory glance at what occurs within the average wild animals life (Whom comprise the largest sentient population) makes this abundantly clear. Most of them die in young age, and they are forced to contend with starvation, and predation in their every waking hour. I do not consider it feasible that there is such an amount of pleasure in these lives that it would "outweigh" it's suffering, as dubious a notion as one value outweighing another is.

>You say not being able to experience pleasure isn't bad but not experiencing suffering is somehow good? Why, come again?

As I have stated, this is an axiomatic assumption: An axiom is a statement or proposition which is regarded as being established, accepted, or self-evidently true without any additional evidence. All discussions of value will eventually boil down to at least one axiomatic assumption. Which is to say, I cannot provide any rigorous or ""objective"" argument that will satisfy you wholly. You cannot do so either - Yes, it goes without saying, but values are subjective. The thing I can do is submit a question: Why should the absence of pleasure be bad if nobody perceives it as bad? I call the badness of suffering self evident, because suffering always necessitates an agent whom perceives it as bad by mere virtues of it's own experience, but the absence of pleasure does not preclude exact an agent whom can perceive it's absence as bad. I believe this particular asymmetry has been presented by many different people in many different ways, but i'm certain every time it has been submitted, it has been as an axiological point. Either your intuition accepts these points as feasible, or it does not. Unfortunately, since values are subjective, it is hard to go "deeper". And I must confess that such discussions of axioms are always incredibly tedious, and rarely very productive.
>If you were serious about suicide then you'd have done it already.
That is because I am not serious about suicide - I'm not even suicidal. I merely believe that it would be in my interest to commit suicide - However, I am an irrational ape creature, and I do not always act in my own interest. It is for this same reason that I drink 5 cups of Dr. Pepper a day, or why crackheads keep doing drugs. You could argue these things are against my interest, but I do them anyway, because I am not a rational being. Indeed - I am a hypocrite.

>It promises you happiness and delivers it right on this Earth

In fact, I am not read on Buddhism. I would submit that depending on which school of thought you draw from, it may be possible to interpret the religion in either way. The objective of Buddhism is the attainment of saṃsāra - Moksha, or emancipation from the cycle of birth and rebirth. A life-affirming ideology would not consider this an objective worth pursuing, I feel.
>They teach you self-denial because it leads to a certain happiness and peace
I know little about Buddhism, and this may be a feasible interpretation. I will say that in my little reading on Buddhism, I never saw any mention of happiness, but rather a preoccupation with the escape of duḥkha (Suffering). Up to a certain point, I wonder if it even matters? The result is the same.
>You call it only a cope and dismiss it as worthless in the face of existence and suffering.
A coping mechanism, but certainly not worthless. Why would something that helps me to live with less suffering be worthless? That would be a complete contradiction of everything i've stated. Indeed, despair and fatalism are the truly worthless ideologies - It is demonstrably incorrect to say we can do nothing to reduce or overcome suffering.

It is an aside, but I fear you may be mixing up, quite frequently, pessimism and philosophical pessimism, which I must emphasize are two entirely separate concepts. It is no contradiction to see the claims of philosophical pessimism as feasible, while taking an optimistic stance as regards your capacity to solve the problems it presents.

Anon, you aren't so bad to talk with when you aren't actively insulting people. Please, do have a nice day.

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Each person's sufferings is unique to them. This speaks to the nuance, complexity, and distinctive nature of suffering. I can never understand what you have gone through,
what wounded you.
Pleasure is too simple for that.

Suffering has the character of eternity. This is why we can imagine places of infinite suffering like hell. The idea that suffering can be stretched over the whole of time speaks to suffering's nature as being eternal. The same cannot be done with pleasure. The idea of taking any pleasure and expanding it eternally becomes repulsive. Think of how heaven always becomes "boring" by the sudden appearance of boredom (Suffering). And now think, An eternity of suffering presents no obvious idea that it will be halted by the sudden appearance of pleasure.
Pleasure is too small for that.

Suffering is more associated with reality than pleasure. Think of how much joy comes from our imagination. Our imagination invokes unreal things and joy appears. Bring this imagination into reality and we find that it is never as good as it is imagined. Does this not speak to the fact that things are better off not existing? It's as if bringing something into existence is to poison it and make it ugly.
Pleasure is too unreal for that.

 No.267680

>>267677
Yeah. it's better to not exist at all.

 No.267779

>>267494
>So you adore succubi too? After all you are a man (I guess) biologically so based on your thinking you should be out there helping females and doing everything for them. But wait, you actually disprove your own theory by hating wymen! You are a man who hates females, don't you see the paradox here? If men are by nature, by biology white knights then you can't do anything about it. You run to biology to explain why wymen are treated differently when it is clear that you don't believe in your own theories either. It's this easy: people behave based on gender roles which are taught to them by mainstream society (as I claim) or people behave based on their natural urges only which you claim manifests in men being white knights. Choose. You can't have both whenever one or the other suits your agenda better.
No as I said I'm above that, if you're self aware enough you would be too, but you just fell on the opposite side of the spectrum and went full retard. I hate both genders when they act troglodyte tier. Your actual claim is the feminist schizo hate theory used to demonise an entire gender based on false frameworks and disinformation makes men treat succubi like sex objects and pets (they don't - they treat them as uberhumans) is what causes all the ills of society which any sane wiz should reject 100%. Society and people may be conditioned to treat succubi as superiors and men as serfs (not a patriarchy) but innately this is how people (men AND succubi) want it to be - because men are hostile to their own gender and prefer succubi and succubi are indifferent to men and prefer other succubi, this is factually proven.

>What is better for someone? If they are treated like some special queen by giving them attention and help always (even if they don't need it) and in the name of protection they are sheltered from living an independent life or if they have equal rights/responsibilities? Hm.

Again, false feminist narrative, they were "sheltered" because they wanted to be, because working (especially in the past) was trash so the majority didn't want to, they COULD, but they didn't, or they worked less.

>I really don't care about what you cherrypick out, be they quotes or certain movements claiming to be feminists. As I said many times, feminism is about equality. If you can't understand a simple definition then don't bother to reply.

Lol okay, so the founders of the original feminist movement were only just claiming to be feminists, nice hand waving of actual proof you're wrong. You can keep saying it's about equality and read as many false edited wikipedia definitions as you like it doesn't make it true, anyone who isn't an indoctrinated serf can see it's not and never was, keep falling for lip service.

>I see, still deluded. Nothing can help you. All those free wymen living in muslim countries even nowadays. Yeah, patriarchy doesn't exist, nope. It is a lie!! Get it?! Because you don't agree with it it isn't a thing! Simple. And wymen not having equal rights with men for most of history? Just a lie too made up by the evil feminists, right? Get your brain checked out, browsing anti-feminist sites destroyed your brain cells.

Eat shit retard, keep peddling your revisionist narrative about muh poor heckin' womenerinos, it's very obvious to see who's the actual white knight here, so well done for making yourself look so stupid. Keep allying yourself with hostile subhumans who hate you for being born the wrong gender and see where gets you.

>Wow, you described yourself quite accurately. It's not like there are whole chans, subcultures and im.boards where you can discuss how much you hate feminism all day! You are a special snowflake for rebelling against the evil succs who want to oppress you, yeah, a real free thinker and freedom fighter, sir, that you are.

Actually I am because I've already proven I don't fit into the generic molds you try to strawman me into it, you however sound like your average male feminist pseudo redditor.

>You can't change history and reality despite trying really hard to pull this off.

Well actually you can because you've fallen for a hate group that has done exactly that, so kodus to you.

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>You realize this is a contradiction? You deny that there are gender roles and then you go on to describe the gender roles of men.
No, because you said femishitism DESTROYED the gender role of the INDEPENDENT male, and that particular gender role never existed, which is what I said, not that gender roles don't exist - society doesn't like independent men and creates threat narratives to disparage them as violent crabs, something you and your kind probably get off on.

I insult people who spew hateful rhetoric designed to demonize me based on my gender, so you can shut up yourself drone. I've added enough construction to the discussion but there's only so much you can do when the foundation is built by a retard.


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