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 No.267805[View All]

I'm too scared. Just the thought of it makes me feel fear. I'm scared of dying AND death. I'm afraid of dying painfully. And I'm also afraid of death itself. The thought of non-existence and not being able to think is incomprehensible and scary to me.

So that's what's stopping me. I don't want to feel pain, but even the rope can be extremely painful. The only quick and painless way are guns. A glock 20 to the head is quick and painless. But I can't get guns in my country. But they're only way I want to go.
And even if I had the gun, my fear of death would probably stop me from pulling the trigger.

I don't know what to do…
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 No.271209

>>271203
Yeah I know what you mean with the media thing and honestly I'd rather just be dead without too much fuss.

My conversations with mental health people, social workers etc is basically that I simply want the restrictions lifted so I may pursue perfectly legal travel to dignitas, the subsequent arrangements with 2 Swiss doctors to show I'm doing it of my own volition etc.

The reason they don't want this is because they want to make the case the shit I was subjected to was condusive to anything positive.

Going imidiately to dignitas would contradict their view that detainment can be good for mental health rather than what it really was,
A mistake they kept doubleing down on.

That being said they just do everything they can to keep travel restrictions in place etc and refuse to let go.

Tribunals are kangaroo courts where your testimony is worth noting and it takes about 2 weeks for a business class letter to get from mainland to Shetland tribunal notices are sent 7 days before the tribunal so as to give you the teleconference number after the tribunal has already happened.

I'm not going to be some martyr that causes introspection and actual scrutiny of how the rotten system treats anyone caught in this web,
But an end to my life is potentially achieveable.

 No.271210

>>271208
YOU KNOW HOW!?
Give us your wisdom!

 No.271214

>>271209
Would you be okay with contacting your psych team right now?

 No.271216

>>271214
I've told them more than I likely should,
What do you even want me to say?

 No.271217

You said earlier:
>They can keep more staff on the payroll if they keep paitents longer, the community mental health people aren't that bad, just not keen on the meetings but it's important to remember who they work for.
And you're right. The NHS may not have your best interests in mind. Some of the team at LHC may really want to help you out. I don't know for sure, but I think you want to do the right thing and you don't like that they think you're crazy or angry.

You can try to start on a clean slate and tell them that someone online told you to contact them because you were planning to commit suicide. You can also tell them that you sincerely apologize for your anger and frustration (even if you were under extreme pressure) and that you really want to get help with your feelings.

If you're afraid that you don't know how to word it, I may be able to email them a little bit of information and tell them to anticipate your arrival. I can inform them that you are misunderstood, frustrated because of things that you couldn't control, that you felt the detainment was upsetting and possibly traumatic, and that I believe you really want to die and need help.

I think you can do it wiz, and I think you can really get better. I know that it seems risky and that you don't want to talk, but a lot of the people that work there really want to help, just like I want to help you. Do you think you can work with me?

 No.271218

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>>271216

 No.271219

So OP can you explain this for me. Do they have you on meds? Are you under some kind of mandatory state-appointed psychiatrist or nursing appointment crap? Do they have you on a bullshit diagnosis you can't repeal? Do you not have patient rights in this situation to get them to fuck off?

 No.271220

>>271219
Not op just joined the discussion since I had basically the same question.

When you get detained in the UK it starts with the cops taking you to hospital in cuffs

After that it's a lot of waiting around and whatever.

Got uncuffed and waited until I had to stay until the psycaitrists show up.

Said they "recommend I stayed the night" but did not tell me it was compulsory

So I get arrested after boarding a bus home

When I got there again I was told I was put on a "short term detention and shortly after sedated and woke up in Aberdeen

There's 2 tribunals after that for extending it and you have a Compulsory Treatment Order unless they drop it which I doubt they ever do.

I still have the initial bullshit diagnosis I can't repeal and they recently did an inconclusive autism test so they are now saying that my decision making is impaired by obsessive thoughts about death.

The reality is that my life isn't worth the effort and I don't want to contributeing to a society and culture who is going to make it needlessly difficult to just be left alone without having patronising unwanted and unnecessary condescending "help" forced upon me.

Ending my life neutralises the threat of unwanted and needles "treatment" and their insistence on dragging their heels constantly only reinforces that they refuse to fuck off.

I need both a death and "insurance policy" to ensure it goes uninterrupted.

>>271217
They are more than aware I want to die and it would probably just make my life more of a pain in the arse if we went down that route.

 No.271221

>>271220
I may have to email them anyway, wiz. This may be the only way for you to get better, and I want to help you. Can you do that for me?

 No.271223

>>271221
I'm sure their reaction to anyone using sites such as this is going to be fantastic.
I would advise against it but there's probably nothing I can do to change your mind.
There's nothing to help with
Just sick of this shit is all.
I wish to boycott this dreadful country seek an end to my life to facilitate that.

 No.271224

>>271223
Your best choice at this point is to try not to lash out in anger and cooperate. They want to help you, and they can only do that if you admit that you need help. I think you're afraid people will see you as violent and irrational, and you don't want to admit that you could have done something you didn't really want to do. They will only look down on you if you make excuses for your actions or behaviors, but if you tell them that you want to change, I believe that they will be more than happy to help.
Try not to act violent or angry. When you speak with them, think of this as an opportunity for a new beginning and a chance to prove that you aren't a psychotic person. Even if they suspect you for psychosis or other behaviors, as long as you change, their opinions of you will change too.

 No.271225

>>271224
I don't act violently or threatening in meetings and I am not making excuses.

I am simply pointing out how everything symptomatic of incaceration and everything downstream is deliberately misconstrued as something it's not.

I simply resent that my right to suicide is being infringed and needlessly denying other civil liberties.

I do not think I would have done something I didn't really want to do, I had no such plans.

Literally just wanted to be left alone, things only escelated once I became a prisoner.

As far as hating pigs or wanting the hospital to be put out of service for the sake of preventing them counteracting my suicide attempt.

My statement is fuck cops and fuck my jailers and fuck anyone interfereing with someone else's right to die.

 No.271227

>>271225
If you speak to them calmy and answer every question directly and truthfully then they will be able to figure it out.
One reason they might believe you're psychotic is because you may not have given them direct answers to their questions, or if you ever got irrationally angry without explaining why. If you give them a truthful explanation and a motive behind your actions, they won't even be able to misconstrue it as psychotic.

 No.271228

>>271227
>because you may not have given them direct answers to their questions
I have given direct answers and explained my reasons

>or if you ever got irrationally angry without explaining why.

If you read what I said it was not a matter of getting irrationality angry.
I the rationality was circumstances and "treatment" during detention.

They literally admit in the recording that there is no indication of psychosis but undeniable anger and frustration.
Even admission that the clinical setting was traumatic and detremental.

Every attempt to discuss the conclusion of the psycaitrists would result in them refusing to give details about their rationale and all skepticism dismissed as "lack of incite" during my detention.

I keep my anger to myself when I'm at home but that's not something you can do under 24 hour surveillance

 No.271245

>>271227
nurses are the most fucking npc'd people on the planet. Only good advice I ever got from them was to tell the doc as little as possible. The more you interact with the system the more they'll just try to squeeze you into a box, schizo is one of the most over-diagnosed mental issues on the planet, all the docs know to do is give you pills that rot out your brain. Vernon Coleman claims there's a study for the UK where 75% of psychiatric patients were found to have been misdiagnosed. The only way to win is to get them to leave you alonoe

 No.271246

>>271245
solid source. you may well have a point but why bring up a figure like this to support it?

>schizo is one of the most over-diagnosed mental issues on the planet

do you have any source? i find it hard to believe

 No.271249


 No.271250

>>267805 Just don't do it.

 No.271253

>>271249
>In speculating about other reasons why there might be so many misdiagnoses, the researchers say that it could be due to overly simplified application of criteria listed in the Diagnostic Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, a standard guide to the diagnosis of psychiatric disorders.

I read about an older guy who was told he was skitzo but turned out he was just autistic though I don't have details on this case


>“Electronic medical record systems, which often use pull-down diagnostic menus, increase the likelihood of this type of error,” says Margolis, who refers to the problem as “checklist psychiatry.”


There was a lady I met who had skitzotypal (no hallucinations odd behaviour) personality disorder but got listed as the version with the hallucinations because it was easier for them to find on the computer.

>>271245
>Vernon Coleman claims there's a study for the UK where 75% of psychiatric patients were found to have been misdiagnosed.
Interesting, given how little they care about correct diagnosis I would bet it's much higher.

>>271245
>all the docs know to do is give you pills that rot out your brain.

Big pharmas gonna big pharma
>The only way to win is to get them to leave you alonoe
True, that being said I've had enough of life

 No.271257

>>271245
I agree. Personally, I would never accept psychiatric treatment unless I felt that I were having hallucinations or delusions.
The wizard that wanted to do a chlorine gas suicide was just demonstrate extremely high levels of irrationality, anger, and paranoia so he was probably going to be dangerous to himself and others.

 No.271258

>>271249
https://lysanderlaw.co.uk/2020/10/20/mental-health-misdiagnosis/
>Misdiagnosis may mean being prescribed and taking medication unnecessarily. This leaves individuals vulnerable to symptoms getting worse, higher rates of suicide and long-term negative physical side-effects.

https://www.cchr.org.uk/physical-illnesses-misdiagnosed/
>In one study, 83% of people referred by clinics and social workers for psychiatric treatment had undiagnosed physical illnesses;
>42% of those diagnosed with “psychoses” were later found to be suffering from a medical illness, and in another study, 48% of those diagnosed by psychiatrists for mental treatment had an undiagnosed physical condition.*
https://www.newstatesman.com/long-reads/2022/12/end-mental-illness-health-unhappy-psychiatrists
Not quite what we're looking for but there isn't a lot of UK stuff almost every other article mentions Americans.
Likely nearly identical practices but comparing UK things is better when appealing my own case.

That's not to say I didn't see good info on those others.

https://www.talkspace.com/blog/misdiagnosis-mental-illness/
>bipolar disorder, but was originally misdiagnosed with schizophrenia. She attributes her misdiagnosis to cultural bias. “Psychiatrists sometimes erred when diagnosing African-American patients with bipolar disorder,” she said. “Unfortunately, they didn’t attribute that illness to people of my ethnicity, and our emotions were sometimes misread as psychotic.”

Weather race was or wasn't an issue that's addressed on the next line anyway,
That's one of the few causes of misunderstanding that normies can actually process.

Give them jumping the gun and attributing everything to "psychosis" that US example does seem consistent with UK practices.

https://hside.org/impact-of-mental-health-misdiagnosis/
>Receiving the wrong medication can also lead to a person experiencing all the side effects of the medication without any of the benefits, causing undue distress and anxiety while leaving the root problem untouched

 No.271264

>>271258
Yep. What's amazing is with studies like this in abundance the system shows no sign of changing. All psychs do is drug people experiencing medical problems out of their minds and give a bumper sticker diagnosis. The idea that we need more mental health support is just a state sponsored meme to increase the size of their funding.

 No.271265

>>271264
I completely agree. In some cases, though, a person is clearly unwell and requires assistance. While the mental health system IS a scam, and it IS mostly ineffective for almost anything, it CAN buy time for some people. Almost any other system would be more beneficial, however. The psychiatric system is absolutely nothing when compared to spiritual, interpersonal, or community care.

 No.271270

>>271265
>absolutely nothing when compared to spiritual, interpersonal, or community care

Spiritual guidance regardless of if the theological underpinnings are true or false can help some people cope with and problem solve issues so collapse of organised religion for a large swaths of the population could have had a substantial effect.

There's the idealists who says "oh well we are going to replace relegion with love science instead"

What seems to have happened instead is quasi-political pseudorelegions and Scientism,
the scientific method is a method of testing not a body of knowledge

>interpersonal, or community care

If you have any skepticism of your diagnosis you will simply be told you "lack incite" if you get them to cite an actual example of something and you explain what you were actually thinking/doing it's "oh, well we will just agree to disagree"

This is probably why they refuse to elaborate on reasons for decision or disclose what they thought the use was.
>>271264
>need more mental health support is just a state sponsored meme to increase the size of their funding.
Once they've got someone they are going to milk them for all they can get away with

 No.271332

>>271264
>>271258

I was sent to psychiatrists early on and they drugged me to shit, I had all kinds of side-effects including nervous system failures. They diagnosed me with all kinds of fancy bullshit and years later it turned out that they were just talking out of their ass and that my only mental problem was a self esteem issue and anything else was related to physical stuff.

Psychiatry is really just a grift most of the time and the people getting thrown into the machine are usually gullible and lack self awareness. I wasn't assertive enough at the time but it was obvious that they thought I'm a complete retard so they could play their scheme on me.

I'm also convinced that it makes things worse since people think they are mentally ill when they are not and that will lead to all kinds of mind games that can easily fuck them up.

 No.271333

>>271332
The book I was shilling earlier anatomy of an epidemic makes the argument that psychiatric drugs are the primary cause of deterioration in patients. He's partisan but it's pretty obvious almost nobody should be going to these people

 No.271335

>>271332
>They diagnosed me with all kinds of fancy bullshit and years later it turned out that they were just talking out of their ass and that my only mental problem was a self esteem issue and anything else was related to physical stuff.

Grifters gonna grift,
Realistically there is no consequences for them so they will only get rewarded for being a piece of shit.

>>271333
They're insanely profitable and basically the only "treatment" they issue for "mental health" they have pointless conversions after the fact but they are literally just "checking your taking it"

That being said the "symptoms" I had post spiking were entirely down to being a prisoner etc so I suppose it's best to just say "I am"

 No.271338

>>271332
Some dumb bitch in her mid 20s diagnosed me with "narcisstic personality disorder" when I was younger because I was an impulsive edgelord at the time even though I was just insecure and felt cornered from getting bullied and stuff. I spent years thinking im an egotistic asshole and then I realized that these faggots just throw words around. I also mentioned that I think certain men get bullied in society and that made her accuse me of hating succubi for some reason, so I think the diagnose was rather personal. Now I'm not an edgelord faggot anymore and it's even more obvious how dumb all of this was and it blows my mind when I think about how much money these shitheads make by doing this.

Literally any person could go to a psychiatrist and get diagnosed with some crap.

 No.271339

>>271338
serious doctors avoid doing that so people don't conform to these dumb labels

 No.271340

>>271338
>I also mentioned that I think certain men get bullied in society and that made her accuse me of hating succubi for some reason,

To succubi it's always about them or another succubus.
Weakness invites predation/Weak fear strong and strong fear the cunning.

I'm not saying bullying is something that the victim should bend over and take but I think learning to deal with it can help improve a person, unless it's taken to an extreme.

Societal role/function of bullying is actually debatable in itself.

>>271338
>blows my mind when I think about how much money these shitheads make by doing this.
Thats our taxes at work only a collapse can shrink it but not much on the horizon atm

 No.271341

>>271340
>Thats our taxes at work only a collapse can shrink it but not much on the horizon atm
well thanks a lot those tax dollars helped me escape wageslavery i really appreciate it.
(these one fly over the cuckoos nest tier anecdotes sound like made up crap by the way)

 No.271343

>>271341
It's why I N.E.E.T. fuck this society and it's institutions

 No.271344

>>271343
its institutions are what allow me to neet, i have had more positive/neutral than negative experiences with the psychiatrists i have seen, but it's not like i ever was locked up or anything. if you were, there was probably something legitimately wrong with you because they don't dump you in the looney bin just like that.

 No.271345

>>271344
Already went over what happened after the spiking I get why that was an issue,
My issue was the complete refusal to discuss the issue or reasoning during detention I did not cope well with being a prisoner and I have already Voiced my view on the "treatment"


my problems with them is their treatment of those who aren't experienceing anything out of the ordinary but simply want to leave and peacefully end their lives.

Wish I could fight a Jihad against the enemies of right to die.

 No.271346

>>271345
You is definitely goin in the nuthouse muh wizznagga

 No.271347

>>271346
All I want is death, suicide is not even illegal here.

My only issue is the unwanted treatment I might be subjected to if my suicide is foiled.

 No.271360

Rube Goldberg machine

 No.271363

>>271360
>Breakfast machine
Nuts!
Wtf am I gonna do with this Dr Seuss contraption now.

 No.271370

>>271363
No, like the one from Tom and Jerry that drops a safe on your head.

 No.271377

>>271370
Safes can be pretty lightweight, will an anvil work?

Theb You got the issue of there being no tall buildings here but there's definitely potential

 No.271498

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>Ramirez had been self-administering dimethyl sulfoxide as a treatment for pain, which converted into dimethyl sulfate, an extremely poisonous and highly carcinogenic alkylating agent, via a series of chemical reactions in the emergency department

Legitimately curious if I could overdose on something that could produce a simalar reaction if I get unwanted treatment post suicide.

That drug is probably difficult to source but I don't need the medicinal side I just need some toxic shit that's gonna pollute the air if anybody tries to revive me perhaps there are some more mundane sulfates, sulfoxides etc that could produce such a reaction in a clinical setting?

Seems more effective than the detergent suicide which could be an accidental "smoke signal" rather than a backup suicide method if done wrong.

 No.271499

this guy owns a house and showed every indication of wanting to finish it before meds and feds started interfering with his life and faggots still want to steer him to suicide instead of getting out of the institution trap. Fuck off

 No.271504

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>>271499
He'd have to go back to being a productive taxpaying member of society to keep up with the house and whatnot.

1. Going back to work and contributing to the system that did all that shit

2. Go full toxic avenger and pwn the doctors

 No.271505

I guess you are from Latin America, right?

 No.271509

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>>271505
Gueros complain about the Latinos in their country and want an expensive wall to keep them out,
No senior there no dollars for that but plenty of dollars to give the amigos who hopped the fence, or build a waiting room in Rawanda or some other literal African shit hole like UK is doing.

But MUH rednecks on welfare too

How does it feel for white people to fund everything that they hate.
It's understandable why the white left wants it's own race to die out
Even with war they manage to get a worst of both worlds approach
>>271499
>this guy owns a house and showed every indication of wanting to finish it before meds and feds started interfering with his life and faggots still want to steer him to suicide instead of getting out of the institution trap. Fuck off

My point is not about politics it's about contributeing to society and why one should reconsider doing that

 No.271529

>>271498
>>271504

So looks like dimethyl sulfoxide is available but from the looks of it can be expensive though it's not particularly poisonous it can make you sick.

The real question is WTF happened to cause the shit that happens to Ramirez and how could one get drunk on dimethyl sulfoxide or simalar and then cause the chemical reaction needed to both die and stave off doctors.

An apple a day keeps the doctor away, or so the saying goes only we need them to keep their distance for the opposite reason.

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>>271529
What's chlorine and amonia do to DMSO?
Did electrolysis from defibrillator have anything to do with what happened to Ramirez?

 No.271619

>>271614
Trying to "get help" so I can hopefully mitigate the risk of surviving a half arsed or sabotaged suicide.

Got 2 candidates for a hiding place but probably going to write up some step by step plan and create a diversion probably buy some ferry and train tickets but keep receipts where they can be found to create a diversion, buying 2 sets of tickets would be too obvious maybe get the real deal with cash or something.

 No.271696

>>271505
germany
>>271219
no meds or therapy. Nobody knows what's going on inside my mind

 No.271861

Realize this world is absolutely totally and completely evil because it's filled with satanically evil shitpeople. That is the only truth that will ever matter.


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