Basically what animals do,
Compete for resources, mates, territory social status whatever.
If you can't do that or are unhappy despite those that is something that should be selected against and removed from the genepool but a combination of factors prevent this.
>>271356>aughhh just compete bro
Watch the film Midnight in Paris. Has a few interesting comments about purpose in there.
Propose an alternative theory then!
Just going by the least philosophical as most philosophy is feel good nonsense or moral fagging
If you want to not live there is either a problem with you or a problem with your life.
If the problem cannot be resolved by addressing either suicide is a valid option.
>>271361>suicide is a valid option
Yeah, I'm gonna kill myself soon
I want to die too but for the reasons stated in the other thread I'm a bit hesitant and worried about it fucking up.
Life isn't logical. There's no "supposed" to. Just listen to your instinct and go with the flow. You closed yourself off from everything so nothing is pulling you currently, but all you need to do is open yourself up things and you will start to find threads that lead to interesting places and make you want to figure out what's at the end of it.
I mean, you're doing that cynic party trick where you devalue everything, but yeah, some people consume media and work their whole lives. Why? They just feel a drive to do it and they find it rewarding. It's not mathematics, it's just pure instinct. The sooner you start exploring what's out there and open your horizons, the sooner you find something to do with your time. Otherwise, you might as well kill yourself.
>but none of it matters!!
So? As long as it feels meaningful, rewarding, exciting…that's all that matters really. Wasting time until oblivion.
And if you aren't interested you should be free to leave, Yes?
Sure. No one is stopping you, other than your instinct. If you're going to live, you might as well make it a good time. Probably easier to find something of interest than to conquer your self-preservation instinct.
>>271367>Probably easier to find something of interest than to conquer your self-preservation instinct.
My interest is to conquer that and have a failsafe so I can be sure I don't survive the method.
The only objective purpose of life is to have children to pass your genes on, that's it, the second you do that your life is over from a biological PoV.
Everything else is just retarded distractions while we wait for death.
That's fucking gay.>ohhh nothing matters just do meaningful stuff even though nothing feels meaningful
>>271371>The only objective purpose of life is to have children to pass your genes on, that's it
You missed the part where I said to first open yourself up and find something that feels meaningful. Doesn't matter if it's """meaningful""" in the grand scheme of things because that's a meme, just that it drives you to do something and brings satisfaction. Like I said, it's instinctual, not logical.
>ohhh but nothing is meaningful!!! i know this for a fact!!
If you lay in bed all day and close yourself off then yeah, you won't find much. Although some meaning can be found even in fantasy if you have the intuition for it (tulpamancy, daydreaming), but some people can't imagine things at all and only see darkness.
When I say "open up" I mean in a subjective sense, to the possibility that somethings exists out there. What could that be? It's like following a cat as it leads you to a garden full of fruit. If you're just walking down the street, closed off, you won't notice the cat and become curious, you only notice things when you are actively looking for them (one of the hallmark features of perception, but i digress).
>>271355>What are we supposed to do in life?
Blogpost about your frustrations with it on wizchan, as you are doing right now.
Misery loves company.
i know this will get me the wrath of fellow wizzies.
but well … not like i care or have something to lose
among the important achievements on this earthly life is to have a mate.
that's what normals do, to avoid the pitfall of depression due to loneliness once one reaches middle age.
Yeah married people are all super content and happy with life. Shut the fuck up.
Study, work, read, learn an instrument or have a hobby, do a sport, etc.
i didn't say they were happy.
we humans tend to find some new thing to be unhappy about after we get the object of our desire, probably they were happy at first and now they desire another thing that makes them unhappy.
rinse and repeat.
also no need to be rude.
So if it doesn't make them happy, or content, and becomes meaningless, why is it "among the most important"?
because it's a genetical drive. like the need to eat and breath, which are obviously more important than the former.
Wtf why there are so many just cope or kill yourself posts? none here is curious about how the universe was made?, how and what created it?
We choose our own purpose but damn
How can we figure out how the universe is made? We are so tiny and insignificant compared to the fucking universe filled with billions of stars and trillions of planets, some probably have life on it. We will probably never figure out our objective meaning besides reproduction and only A.I can guide us at this point.
>>271399>How can we figure out how the universe is made
with science and philosophy. we've been doing it for 2k years, mostly white european men. keep up homie
I know this, but I still have no desire to find one. I wish I lived in a society where you get married at a young age, ~12, but I sadly don't.>>271400
Thanks for the wizdom; I agree with you.
>>271397>none here is curious about how the universe was made?, how and what created it?
We can't investigate that much, The big bang is more about expansion/drifting of the universe, orbit/rotation of planets and whatnot
Not so much the specific cause or origin of the matter that scattered across the universe more the idea of where it has been in the past based on observations.
When it comes to theology it's mostly feel good hogwash or some moral fagging that stuck around because it was useful to the society or some segment of it
All fucking philsohpy ever told you is that "GOD IS DEAD" "THERES NO MEANING AND U GOTTA FIND UR OWN MAN!!" And all that dumb fucking bullshit, science I can agree to a extent but it doesn't really answer our fundamental problems.
The hell do you want to be told?
I don't know, I just want the pain to stop honestly. The curiosity, the rush of needing to do something. I just want it all to go away and fix my fucking life again, I thought philosophy and science would give me a better understanding about life. It hards to accept the answers when you been raised religious and hopeful. It fucking hurts knowing the truth and I want the feeling to finally go away.
Sorry man. That's hard.
Your problem is you would rather live the truth than a pleasant lie.
You have the anthrophic theological view and the indifferent scientific view.
The latter does say relegion is adaptive and usefull to the group's who follow it have more children feel better psychology and whatnot,
Atheists being more likely to be suicidal, childless lonely etc.
That being said relegion can suppress the maladjusted aspects of depressed peoples personality so they just go on thinking it's going to be ok eventually and or being scared of hell or whatever.
How was the world and or its creator if any created, either we don't know or some sterile explanation of what became us after the universe was already here.
Philosophers, god's said X,Y and Z is only good advice if X, Y and Z just happens to be good advice.
You are more interested in who said X, Y and Z but the answer will usually be "Some guys from hundreds of years ago"
I can see why atheists become suicidal, childless and lonely. The world and universe just doesn't seem as important as it should be if we wageslave, eat, reproduce and die all the time. I hate that there isn't more to life, maybe some exciting things will happen in a couple of years but i'm disappointed that there isn't much too it.
Nihilism will always lead to depression, if there is no purpose then there is no meaning to life in general and that leads to all kinds of mental retardations. People who always try to come up with rational explanations always end up depressed just like all the countless philosphers who ended up miserable. The modern world stripped human beings of any purpose and now our identities are based on things we consume and other meaningless noise.
The people who try to be smarter than everybody else by being chronically "rational" are always the most messed up people on average and they are usually slaves to impulses and degenerates. Human beings always need a form of identity and purpose, that's just how it is and since we got robbed off it we will try to search for it in the most meaningless things.
Hearing this even makes me more depressed, I don't know what to do. Suicide? I'm too much of a coward for it, i'm literaly trapped in this meaningless cycle aren't I?
There's some threads on the first page of /dep/ you can ask your questions in.>>271424>The modern world stripped human beings of any purpose and now our identities are based on things we consume and other meaningless noise.
Western culture has embraced several philosophies that are counterproductive to pairbonding in the name of "equality"(equity/parity)
Online dating acceptance of "free love" ruined relationships for the less attractive males as succubi would rather share the more attractive men.
Don't get me started on job market, problems with college/uni (in situation surplus to requirements) and housing market.
The average Taliban figter fights for what he thinks is true and will bring him closer to God and heaven.
In the west depending on if you are a multiculturalist who wants to abolish whiteness and masculinity or a conservative who fights the already lost battle for a tradition nobody remembers you will be conditiond to oppose the more radicals on either side.
Anarchists, Communists, monarchists ethnonationalists whatever that's what you call your opposition but there aren't many actually like that most back milquetoast neo-liberals who just do business as usual
I hear this a lot, but no one can explain why we "ought" to pass on our genes. Most people have sex and have children, but it's not because they read it in a textbook and thought "oh well i guess that's just my task in life". No, they feel an instinctual drive towards having sex and love, it feels good and rewarding to have a partner and to be affectionate. When it comes to having a baby, there is also a joy in it. It's not a calculated, time to pass on our genes dear.
If you want a deep purpose, it's just following your instincts and drives. You don't need a godhead to give you rules, you feel it in your body what's important and what's not. First through hunger, thirst, a need for a certain temperature, a need to be safe, to rest and sleep, to be around others, to reach sexual satisfaction…
So, I would change your statement to: the only objective purpose in life is to align yourself with your instincts and drives and satisfy them.>>271397
Being obsessed with the "big picture" is usually a cope when you feel stuck in your life and can't satisfy your own needs. Instead of worrying about your direct surroundings, you are theorizing about such and such an event that happened billions of years ago.
Personally, I find the idea of there being a god quite terrifying. You're basically tossing a coin on what kind of being it is. You have the merciful Christian god on one side, and then the Demiurge on the other. I'd rather avoid the entire flip of the coin and be content with an empty and random universe, although even that could have some scary metaphysical consequences. Like the idea that we simply disappear into nothingness when we die is much more comforting than the alternative - perhaps that our consciousness lingers on, stuck like an MP3 player on a single note, a single moment experienced forever. There's no evil being that created this hell, it just came out of some cause-and-effect of how the universe works, completely random.
Anyway, I find such questions to be merely distractions from the pains of daily life. The answers won't satisfy you because they are so abstract and far removed from your daily experience that it doesn't matter at all. No use reading theology when one is hungry and cold.
This post is a prime example of why nihilism and trying to be "rational" will always lead to degeneracy and a loss of purpose. If you think this way then you will dumb yourself down to become an animal that only follows impulses which is also the exact same way Satanists think when they say "do what thou wilt", you will become a beast and a slave to all your impulses and that is the main reason why the western modern world is so messed up, it will ultimately destroy anything that used to be wholesome which human beings crave for deep down wether your worldview is depressed or not.
>>271428>but no one can explain why we "ought" to pass on our genes.
Some should some shouldn't depending on what the quality of said genes are and the likely result but that's a debate in itself.
If your life is not good, you don't want to exist and nothing can resolve this it's probably bad for you to have the genes if there is a genetic basis to this.
That being said you may be extremely useful to others and they will want you around for that reason.
But as far as continuity of life being the purpose of life the sheer fact that that's been the cause of all our existence is why it is valued.
That being said if you don't value your own life you don't have to value life generally so on that basis life is not valued by yourself and thus you might want the consolation prize of some grand objective to life so you can "complete the game/speedrun this shit and be done with it"
>The answers won't satisfy you because they are so abstract and far removed from your daily experience that it doesn't matter at all. No use reading theology when one is hungry and cold.
So how 'bout dat detergent suicide recipe?
>>271429>you will become a beast and a slave to all your impulses and that is the main reason why the western modern world is so messed up, it will ultimately destroy anything that used to be wholesome which human beings crave for deep down
Discipline helps you become a better person and is a good way to plan and reach your potential/goals.
Giving people pointless or seemingly pointless rules without teaching their value has lead to missery in the Occident, doing away with beneficial rules and thinking we have liberated ourselves has been our idea of progress for the last few generations it's unlikely to be reversed until the demographic winter or schism and the establishment will put up one hell of a fight.
Your assumption is that all human instincts are animalistic. But empathy is also an instinct. A desire to help others, cooperate, be just and so on, all instincts. My sense of shame, hygiene, politeness, all come from some inner sense of what is right and wrong. Any rational argument always comes after the fact, "humans act in such and such a way because it is rational" has been proven wrong again and again.
There is also the myth that instincts and drives are fundamentally irrational, when it fact, they are answers to life's questions pre-packaged and ready to be used. Imagine if a child needed to first be convinced with a rational argument to suck on the tit. Where would we be now? Instincts come from billions of years of evolution. I think it was Nietzsche that said "there is more wisdom in the body than all your deepest philosophies".>>271430
Before I am attracted to a wuhman, I first analyze her entire lineage and ask for a DNA sample in order to determine whether to have an erection or not. Then if she is also a good person by all metrics, only then do I feel a true attraction to her and start discussing our shared little project and how our genes can be passed on.
Again, all of this is abstract bullshit. No one cares about passing on their genes unless they're some deeply autistic person (no offense).
>>271432>A desire to help others, cooperate, be just and so on, all instincts. My sense of shame, hygiene, politeness, all come from some inner sense of what is right and wrong.
Human beings and especially normies display to us that these things are not just instincts since most of them don't pursue these things because modern society has no use for it. The people who actually behave in that way do so because they see the huge value it has and not because it's just an instinct that tells them to do so and these people are already quite different to the average human in the modern world. If you don't teach the value of these things to a child then it will turn out to be a shitty human being later because it's not just an instict.
Blindly pursuing instincts will lead to the exact opposite of this as we can see with the average normie who becomes sadistic, egotistic and degenerate because he just consumes what modernity feeds him. Especially things like social media show that human beings will become terrible creatures if they just blindly pursue instincts or impulses.
We all have been given a free will but we need to use it the right way, if we lack discipline we will become mindless animals. >>271431
Progressive types are the best example of what will happen to a human being when we abolish rules and discipline, you will become a perverted soul lost to impulses, your body will decline rapidly and your mind as well. They always have to come up with excuses on why they feel like shit as well and they always blame it on people who choose to have more traditional views even though the latter is always doing better in life.
>>271434> We all have been given a free will but we need to use it the right way, if we lack discipline we will become mindless animals.
You believe in lies , you piece of shit.
Sounds pretty sound to me. Why do you think it's a lie?
>>271432>Again, all of this is abstract bullshit.
Because philosophical and theological issues aren't scientifically testable.
Unless you go for is it good/bad for society or the individual which doesn't make it true even if you prove it's both helpful and useful.
>No one cares about passing on their genes unless they're some deeply autistic person (no offense).
Not directly or but indirectly,
What makes a person sexualy attractive?
The appearance of characteristics that show good health or fertility.
Even if these are dishonest signals or misleading,
Large breasts are popular as babies can't even drink water being attracted to the types that could provide substantial milk without actually giving a fuck about milk was something that has been selected for in nature.
Eugenics has some value given there are so many shitty people in the genepool etc but that's a debate on if you SHOULD spread the genes and given that quality control is badly needed I can safely say some should some shouldn't.
And for the record I'm a miserable misanthropic loner and I do think it would probably be have saved a lot of people myself included lots of greif if I was euthanised in my childhood.
Eugenics if mismanaged creates a whole bunch of problems too but issues of quality of life or self improvement are secondary to OPs original question
It doesn't matter if one doesn't value anything in life, as long as one is getting stuff done its okay.
>>271454>It doesn't matter if one doesn't value anything in life,
It matters to the life liver.>as long as one is getting stuff done its okay.
How are we going to narrow down what we should or shouldn't do other than instinct and whatever ideas We've bin rolling with.>>271355>Just consume media till you die, bro>Just work till you die, bro
>How exciting.>Life is truly a blessing, huh?
What op wants is some interesting idea that will inspire him and show him value in life.
Problem is this guy probably isn't going to buy into the feel good theological/philosophical ideas.
You can get over the whole
*How can I trust that philosophy?/ that God probably isn't real!*
And just pick something but you care about it being true too much so we have to address that.
There's no shortage of Relegious guys with a pleasant lie to sell you if you want to believe you have some purpose to your life.
The probability of it being fake bothers you too much
He wants a purpose or objective to his life that will inspire him to go on.
>>271457>How are we going to narrow down what we should or shouldn't do
Up to you
>What op wants is some interesting idea that will inspire him and show him value in life.
There isn't anything, maybe he should chase pussy hahahahah.
Not that im saying that you >>271355
should do such a thing, is just that you aren't going to discover something that will motivate you to get out of bed even if you look for it, but if you do, heck, lucky you.
I think you get that drive from somewhere else, errmm can't remember very well.
But also we need more information, OP wants to solve his ailments or just wants to know why do we exist?, because wizards be switching between those two.
>>271468>>How are we going to narrow down what we should or shouldn't do
Up to you
I want to suicide but too much of a pussy to do that and I'm afraid of crippleing myself and being unable to try again but there's a few other threads about that shit already so bump them if you have anything to add to that.
>wants to solve his ailments or just wants to know why do we exist?
For the first thing you are right that we need more info from op.
As for the other thing there are countless theoretical and theological theories.
Is the scientific method and data good or corrupted with shit, was the text of mortal origin etc
Just follow your instincts OP, whether its suicide, sulking on here, or leaving wizardhood to start a family. Just do anything you want to do, its your life now.
>>271428>Most people have sex and have children, but it's not because they read it in a textbook and thought "oh well i guess that's just my task in life". No, they feel an instinctual drive towards having sex and love, it feels good and rewarding to have a partner and to be affectionate. When it comes to having a baby, there is also a joy in it. It's not a calculated, time to pass on our genes dear.
Even if one somehow leaves wizarddom to pursue a family, there are too many potential negative aspects in having a family and children. The financial strain, lack of time in possibly spending time with one's family because of wageslaving, and the stress of raising children could cause the marriage to inevitably end in divorce. Not to mention there's a chance the children would become mentally ill wageslaves like most of us here. At least I'm a maladaptive daydreamer, so I can at least fulfill my fantasies through my imagination.
>>271546>Even if one somehow leaves wizarddom to pursue a family, there are too many potential negative aspects in having a family and children.
Yes but mostly due to our personality types, if you are the type that actually wants kids(for reasons other than an heir or to fight in the Race/Culture war) that's not going to matter.
> The financial strain,
Bullshit they pay you to shit out kids in basically every western country > lack of time in possibly spending time with one's family because of wageslaving,
Work life balance is a thing but some of us have neither a life or work granted this scenario assumes you got both
>and the stress of raising children could cause the marriage to inevitably end in divorce.
There's a dozen reasons why that happens and kids are the least of your worries when it comes to that.
> Not to mention there's a chance the children would become mentally ill wageslaves like most of us here.
Suppose you can try IVF and genetic screening, I mean you'll probably be at least 55 by the time you get round to it anyway if you did might as well throw in some eugenics
> At least I'm a maladaptive daydreamer, so I can at least fulfill my fantasies through my imagination.
GIB barbiturates so I can sleep forever.
there is a third path thats obvious from your post, create something tangible, even someone who has done crayon drawings of cartoon characters shitting their diapers has influenced the world around them infinitely more and has a longer lasting legacy than the insurance salesman who lived 1958-2004, and did little more than come home, eat baloney sandwiches and watch wheel of fortune.
make something that you want to venerate, art of wizards, neets, cocks, your favorite food
People like Jordan Peterson or Andrew Tate misrepresent passion.
They larp as really disciplined warriors that fight themselves every day to attain a goal, when in reality, they're just really motivated by something.
If you have a goal in mind that motivates you, and where you're passionate and excited about striving towards it, then you're golden. If working towards the goal just feels like a pain, then you'll just eventually give up on it.
The problem is just the waiting until you're inspired
This is good advice wiz, you can never force motivation on yourself, if so why call it motivation? It has to be something that makes you feel good to do, if you're not happy or feeling good doing it, then you'll eventually hate it even when you achieve your goals.
For OP and many other fucks here, here's the tl;dr. We lack the ability to control our feelings and emotions and EVERYTHING philosophical in the world are theories that can never be proven to try and understand. As for what you're supposed to do, NO ONE can answer that. Blame it on whatever reason we have the ability to "think". Don't take it out on everyone else like a bitch. It all sucks but there's nothing anyone can do and yes, you can only distract yourself until you die. Nothing more, nothing less. Any "Why are we here hurr" B.S does not and cannot matter so long as we are unable to touch the higher plane that is responsible for any of this. Deal with it like everyone else and hope for a better afterlife
ironically, we are supposed to fuck, everyone knows it but somehow only few admit. being a wizard, fucking is not an option, so you are basically left with suicide and wizardy. wizardy is about becoming geek in something thus "acquiring magic". i know how it feels when everything seems so bleak and meaningless, so just busy yourself with something. force yourself. it should be something you think you either might like or won't dislike at least. with time you'll get hooked and while it probably won't bring meaning in your life but at any rate you won't suffer from thinking about how miserable your existence is.
lmao this nigger trippin
But wouldn't "fucking" would get old over time, even when pursuing degenerate ways of sex The truth of the matter is just that sentience and intelligence does not pair well with the way our biology works. It's cruel, and fucking will only lead to more lives who think and feel like us.
>>271397>none here is curious about how the universe was made?, how and what created it?
Being curious doesnt mean there is action you can do about it. I went to university and read philosophy books. It did nothing for me. People simply have no idea how to answer the big questions, in the end you merely have to accept that you don't know. So how does this have any relevance to the thread?
There are interviews with old dying people and they often said, when asked about what they recommend other people do with their lives, that they wish they had more sex. Doesnt seem like it just 'gets old'.
i think once you're naturally depressed and sleepy all the time it's probably a good moment to become a drug user to squeeze out the last bits of purpose you may be able to derive from living
That's probably just the men regretting getting married to some succubus who doesn't put out, silly old boomers.
>>271979>We lack the ability to control our feelings and emotions
Anon, if only you realized you can't control it because it's not yours at all.
Satanists and light occultists, same shit different ass, if one cannot be an animal then why we were created/exist as one?, not saying that one should be an animal, just saying that every path is okay because it can be walked