/dep/ - Depression

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there are people here with whom you can talk. some of us mean well. you really are not alone. please see the anti-suicide general.

>>293707
Why do you see isolation in such a negative way?

>>293706
Rats don't grow too big

>>293710
>Why do you see isolation in such a negative way?
Not him, but because generally isolation = alone = loneliness then loneliness = depression = suicide or at least suicidal thoughts statistically. Although i'd much prefer to be so than forfeiting my individuality and living near normalfags IRL.

>>293720
>loneliness = depression
For most, but not all.

>>293720
Loneliness is a feeling based on rejection, whether imaginary or real. It has nothing to do with the isolation itself. Loneliness can lead to isolation, but isolation does not lead to loneliness, they are different things even if they seem the same.
That is why it is not right to assume that isolation is.

This video explains it better

>>293724
Even if rejection leads to loneliness, and even if some isolated people don't always feel lonely, you're completely oversimplifying the topic just because you watched a
>kurzgegatz
video. Watching a youtube video doesn't make you an expert on the topic, especially considering the videos by them often have incentives and messages they want to spread, and they do heavy scientific vulgarisation, which is not always accurate or complete.

>It has nothing to do with the isolation itself
Inaccurate, a lot of studies indicate that isolation, both physical and social, is a significant predictor of loneliness. And for once I will link them even if I know very well that you're not going to look for them.
<Hawkley, L. C., & Cacioppo, J. T. (2010). "Loneliness matters: A theoretical and empirical review of consequences and mechanisms." Annals of Behavioral Medicine, 40(2), 218-227.
<Cacioppo, J. T., & Hawkley, L. C. (2003). "Social isolation and health, with an emphasis on underlying mechanisms." Perspectives in Biology and Medicine, 46(3), S39-S52.
<Perlman, D., & Peplau, L. A. (1981). "Toward a social psychology of loneliness." Personal Relationships, 3, 31-56.
<Cornwell, E. Y., & Waite, L. J. (2009). "Social disconnectedness, perceived isolation, and health among older adults." Journal of Health and Social Behavior, 50(1), 31-48.
<Victor, C. R., Scambler, S. J., Bowling, A., & Bond, J. (2000). "Being alone in later life: Loneliness, social isolation, and living alone." Reviews in Clinical Gerontology, 10(4), 407-417.
<Holt-Lunstad, J., Smith, T. B., Baker, M., Harris, T., & Stephenson, D. (2015). "Loneliness and social isolation as risk factors for mortality: A meta-analytic review." Perspectives on Psychological Science, 10(2), 227-237.
<Qualter, P., Vanhalst, J., Harris, R., Van Roekel, E., Lodder, G., Bangee, M., Maes, M., & Verhagen, M. (2015). "Loneliness across the life span." Perspectives on Psychological Science, 10(2), 250-264.
Those studies touch specifically on the fact that isolation does cause for the major part statistically of loneliness. Sure, you can feel lonely even in a crowd, but here one does not equal the opposite, i'm just talking about isolation = high chances of loneliness.

And so on. If you somehow still dismiss empirical evidence and studies just because 'duh i watched a youtube video' then there's nothing more I can do.

And also, I already watched the video before.

>>293724
Sounds like hippie fee-fee bullcrap
>>293726
Sounds like poindexter bookworm jargon

If you're by yourself and you aint sad about that fact in particular, then you're not lonely.

>>293726
You can publish whatever studies you want, but this is my thread telling my experiences. And my experiences indicate that being socially isolated doesn't make me feel alone, it makes me socially isolated. So it may be true that most lonely people end up isolated, but I'm not the majority, and my subjective experiences don't fit that.

>And so on. If you somehow still dismiss empirical evidence
I don't need more experiences than mine. You can't come on a thread and treat me like I'm a lonely suicidal depressive.