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There must be a reason why almost all of the cartoons is calarts style. Maybe is because of the time they spend on the story
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This is the stuff that really hits me. The stuff that makes me remember why I love the art-form of animation so much.


Never knew some of this stuff.


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I saw cans without labels…

It's a work of genius…

You're doing yourself a disservice by not watching this masterpiece…

…what the fuck?


I have and oh boy is it rough.
I feel so sorry for the kickstarter people who actually funded the project.


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Gee, maybe John Kricfalusi will get better in time…Cos you know, the general public has let bygones be bygones for things that have been out in the open since 2013 yet they never actually gave a solitary care for since then.


The thing about John K is that he is talented, but he should never, ever actually be in a position of leadership or the one in charge of anything or bad things happen.

The "other scandals" I tend not to care that much about because they don't usually effect the final product and in all honesty I don't really give a shit about the people/drama behind the scenes when it comes to animation. It is just clear that John K needs supervision to actually get shit done, stay on schedule, and not get up to sick monkey business with his underlings.


That I can agree on: he's basically Canada's own Christian Bale in that department, despite Bale acknowledging he has no charisma. (or maybe just taking the piss on what happened a decade ago, idk)


Guys were making the soyboy face even back then!


Insipid nigger.


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Why do adult people like this poorly made toddlershow? I can't understand sensible people who apparently watch lots of Anime being fans of something this stupid, to the point of "cosplay" for this cartoon and going to dumb conventions and panels.

What's wrong with people today? Do they claim to like it solely for their political stance?


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Why do adult people like this poorly made toddlershow? I can't understand sensible people being fans of something this stupid, to the point of "cosplay" for this cartoon and going to dumb conventions and panels.

What's wrong with people today? Do they claim to like it solely for their political stance?


>Do they claim to like it solely for their political stance?
Honestly? I think so.


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>posts something with 10 times more production value and way higher quality standard.

That's not how it works.


I used to watch that show. 4 years ago or so. The first half of season 1 is good, then it drops off heavily. The writers ruined the show trying to pander to the degenerate audience, it's all wet-dream fanservice now. I saw some clips the other day of the new recent movie-series-modern-episodes and I'm glad I lost interest.


The first season is very good, lots of FoP style shenanigans and a surprising amount of body horror. The backgrounds are also absolutely stellar, especially when dealing with the non-human environments.

As many say though it's just a vehicle for weird character interactions now that the protag is invincible.


Yeah, the early seasons seemed to be simple and from the heart, which made it sort of endearing.
Since then, it seems like they have done a lot of pandering and fanservicey stuff, and have attempted to incorporate a "serious" story, instead of just having quirky one-offs. It has lost much of its charm.


Call me a cumbrain but.

Why are cartoon characters, generally, in the ugly to extremely ugly spectrum where as anime characters are in the apparent pinnacle of beauty( i haven't seen any other media that comes close, much less surpasses it in this aspect)?


Read the thread.
This has already been asked and answered.

If you are too brain-damaged from stupid outsider memes then I will summarize.

3 main reasons.
1.Ugly/beauty are subjective
2.they are mainly for children and made by a culture that doesn't like mixing sexualized content with stuff for kids
3.simpler cartoon art style is functional in that it is made for constant movement without breaking the bank, unlike anime where they spend most of the run time barely moving unless the budget is blown the fuck out.


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So on one hand beauty is subjective, but on the other hand cartoon characters can't be made beautiful because it would be too arousing or something, and because it interferes with animation, meaning that they actually aren't made to be beautiful in the first place.

Making characters cute, as they are in kid's anime, doesn't mean they are "sexualized"–what a weird thing to say. It's also a big exaggeration to say that anime barely moves, or it's even like a dogma where people believe that it's just not possible to have motion unless the characters look like potatoes, or unless there is some crazy budget, because everything is magically solved with money.


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You got all the answers you are getting.
I ain't trying to argue with a idiot that isn't even interested in the topic of the thread.
Go to one of the many anime threads on /jp/ instead rather then try to pick fights here.


I'm not the one who posted >>50193, and I'm not an idiot just because you have no rebuttal to what I said. And for something that isn't part of the topic of the thread, anime sure has been brought up lots of times.


Part of the problem is that the high production value animation that used to be done for feature films and such got completely gutted by 3d animation movies. For some reason this didn't really happen in Japan, but I cant tell you why.

Extremely high quality animation like in the Prince of Egypt or The Road to El Dorado just isn't done any more since it is just too costly compared to 3d stuff which seems to do just as well or even better in the box office. And like many fields, if you stop employing the best of the best animators then the general quality of the animations produced by the rest of the industry tend to go down as well. Now the industry is dominated by inexperienced and less expensive animators just out of school who don't have the skill that the old masters did.


Technological advances have made 2D animation cheaper, and if you look at Disney's budgets over time you can see that they started climbing in the 90s when 3D animation started being used, and once the movies went full 3D the budgets increased even more. But apparently 3D movies make so much more money that the extra cost is worth it.

The level of 2D animation in television was always poor to mediocre, and almost everything started being outsourced away to Asia in the 80s.

Asking why 3D didn't replace 2D in Japan is kind of like taking for granted that 3D replaces 2D, but from what I've been able to gather it happened in America because of the following (possible) reasons: 1. Toy Story and Shrek were big hits and something new, 2. a lot of low quality 2D movies came out, 3. 2D didn't make as much money as 3D, 4. the more flexible nature of making 3D animation may have been attractive to the suits, 5. Disney was already using so much 3D that they thought they may as well go all the way, 6. 2D animation was stale and stuck in a rut, and increasing doses of 3D animation were needed to proceed forward, 7. even video games in America dropped hand-drawn graphics and 2D gameplay in favor of 3D as soon as they could, suggesting that there's some general orientation towards 3D.

In anime, 3D didn't offer much that was new. It didn't expand anime to new audiences or introduce new types of storytelling or enable many things that weren't already possible with 2D techniques (that are still in use today). They have a very large and well-developed 2D industry that has great synergy with other forms of 2D media like manga, and the industry is so interconnected and reliant on freelancers and outside companies that it's a lot easier to work with 2D animation. The Japanese also prefer the aesthetic of 2D over 3D, 3D is more expensive too.


I don't think the budgets have really kept up with inflation, and they certainly haven't kept up with cost of living in the large cities that animation studios used to be. Also, asia and Korea in particular have had huge increases in the standard of living in the last 30 years and there really has not been an equivalent emerging replacement that that kind of animation could be sent to.


Adjusting for inflation, 2D movies (with or without extensive use of 3D) have still been cheaper. Disney's last 2D movie in 2011 cost only $34 million and apparently used no 3D animation, or nothing significant. It may seem like 3D must be cheap because computers make everything easy, but it takes time and money to develop all that technology (they don't just use off-the-shelf programs), create all the assets and animations, and have the computing power to render it all.

Even if Korea has become more expensive for TV shows, animation is still sent there because it's cheaper than doing it locally, and budgets are still anywhere from two to ten times higher compared to Japan. A lot of that money goes towards overpaying voice actors, because heaven forbid that someone in the entertainment industry has to settle for a middle class income.


>and there really has not been an equivalent emerging replacement that that kind of animation could be sent to
You don't pay attention to industry news I see.
Taiwan, Hong Kong, Australia, the Philippines, India, and Hungary have almost always been used too, with currently India and the Philippines being popular currently with production companies.


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The show is fine.

The creator, however…


good post


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I finally know why it’s harder to make cartoons nowadays:

When we were young, and by default, in the more archaic past, we looked up to our favorite shows and wanted to create something like that: professional, impressive, yet still fun.

But as we got older we learned more about real life, which obviously isn’t anything like cartoons back then portrayed it.

What’s worse is that given how cartoons were made by adults when we first saw them, we come to a conclusion which sadly only arrives to us once we’re no longer children: our childhoods were NOTHING like cartoons were back then neither.

We want to create cartoons the same way the child inside of us would have, but in doing so we want to feel like children again: free of crippling pressures, heavy responsibility, knowledge of the evils in the world, etc. Which, in nature, is impossible.

We don’t have that spark anymore, and if we do, it doesn’t come to us as easily.

Think of it like Terminator 2, where the entire movie leads up to that scene where John Connor orders the T-800 not to go: that’s our childhood and adulthood leading up to one another in our lives.

We start out overpowered and naive when we look at how easily we have this abundance of strength, taking it for granted until our own personal lives (as is the case with Sarah and John Connor in the movie) progresses. But once that scene finally comes, much like the T-800, our adulthood, we can't "relate" with John Connor, our childhood, anymore.

Even if we want to.

If that doesn’t make sense then there’s a quote by Stephen King which works perfectly as a TL; DR type of deal:

“If being a kid is about learning how to live, then being a grown-up is about learning how to die.”


Better than today's cartoons but still worse than any rando Anime g1rl.


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I just saw this episode of Hilda…

Without blabbering on under the pretense MY words matter I will just say this: given everything I went through this decade, this episode hit way too close to home.


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And I saw the last episode of Hilda.

Cheers, Mr. Pearson. Your show (and book) was like an island to take repose in after the shipreck that was 2016.


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*FINALLY take repose in (let's just say I wouldn't be yelling WILson in the middle of the ocean)


The new Green Eggs and Ham show is actually super good as far as animation quality. Everything else about it is actually alright to pretty good too.
I haven't watched it all yet but from what I have seen so far I can totally recommend it if you are a fan of good animation.


Stop watching shows for little succubi.


Who do you think you are in telling anonymous random wizards what they can and can't watch?


He's the legendary stop wizard.


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Why on Earth would I do that?

For the first time since that dreadful year I feel like I can appreciate cartoons again without being forced. Like I've been given a second chance to feel. To be in a proper fandom without obsessing too much. Almost to love again, even, and you want me to stop?


Check out HAZBIN Hotel pilot ep on youtube. Not my thing but has nice character & passion.


Yeah, it is pretty good and I wish the team behind it the best in getting their pilot picked up. You don't see that level of passion and hard work every day.


Finally got around to watching what is left of Steven Universe.
Felt pretty anti-climatic so far. Maybe the movie will feel like the real ending to the show. I will reserve full judgement until then.


Watched the movie.
I totally didn't cry from Spinel's back story. No you cried. These aren't tears ok I cried a little, shut up

But really it was a nice way to wrap everything up. She songs were a bit meh, and I find it funny that even in the movie they couldn't stay on model and had animation errors all over, but I actually enjoyed it and see it as a fitting send off to the series.

God I hope they don't make any more.


have you heard about the COPPA law?
Do you think is gonna change the way animation is consumed on the internet forever? the agreement was that the FTC will periodically scan Youtube for child's content, now ALL animation is considered for children.

I think corporate animation will be unaffected since they have their own platforms but independent animation will completely die sicne, how else are you gonna store all those niggabites of content?.


The people who make videos don't actually collect anyone's data illegally so the FTC going after video creators with the law is super retarded and probably won't hold up in court.
Other then that it is a wait and see kind of thing to see how the platforms react. Web animators might just find another place to post their stuff, or just make their content edgier.


one more thing, while the actual animators will probably be fine,
the cartoon reviewers are kind of freaking out right now.


I don't mind if cartoon reviewers get the axe though, they are unfunny and cringe.


Go troll somewhere else



If I ever complained about and harassed a thread due to disliking the very topic of the thread this much despite having post deleted I would have long since been banned by now.

Stop trying to pick fights and leave.




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