Lucid dreaming: the art of telling your dreams they're your dreams and are thus supposed to do what you want them to.
Anyone else here keeping a dream journal, trying to become lucid or having achieved lucidity?
I've been trying for a few years, but never could muster the discipline to record my dreams and regularly do reality checks.
For anyone else, though, these were the resources I've used:https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Lucid_Dreaminghttp://cosmiciron.blogspot.com/2013/01/senses-initiated-lucid-dream-ssild_16.html
I've never kept a dream journal though I've always thought it would be a fascinating thing to do. I learned how to lucid dream by accident. I like to meditate and let myself fall asleep. When I do this it is easier for me to monitor the process of falling asleep and be aware of when I have achieved a dream state. Then I have full control. Of course this method does not work every time. A way less common method for me is when I notice a discrepancy in a dream. Like a disappearing wall or an impossible object. I think this is what you refer to as a reality check. This makes me conscious of the dream state and gives me a chance at full control. It's uncommon because this method is not on purpose. I have a feeling that if I made reality checks a part of my waking life over the course of several years, this method might yield better results. My failing is waking up. When I'm lucid dreaming I haven't figured out how to prevent drifting towards wakefulness after a seemingly short duration of lucidity.
now that you mention those, I usually use my watch as a point of reference when dreaming, I have noticed when I dream, time goes by faster (i have also reached dream-within-a-dream states in a similar fashion)based on the passage of time between IRL and the watch on my dream, a few minutes IRL are equivalent to 45-1 hour dream time, sometimes time goes by at 4-6x speed in my dreams, but I can comprehend them just fine
Every dream I have feels like I'm in a movie or video game; I feel like I'm watching myself, simultaneously aware that this isn't real but not understanding that neither is me watching it.
when should you wake up then? wouldn't after a sleep cycle completes be the best? and i wasn't saying you should wake up every 75 minutes but rather that you should plan your sleeps so you wake up on an rem cycle
I dont have the time to look it up atm, but IIRC the best time is in the periods before or after REM, there was something about your body natural wakes after 4 hours, even though a sleep cycle is 90 min or roughly 3 hour blocks with 2 rem cycles. The best time to wake is when you don't feel sleepy. if you wake in the wrong sleep frame, you will feel really really bad (tired, lethargic, and disoriented)
>>45722>tired, lethargic, and disoriented
so, uh, normal
I'm just returning to the lucid dreaming world after a few years of having left without much progress. I'm now keeping a dream journal, doing reality checks more freuqnetly and even reading books on the subject (I recommend LaBerge's EWLD) but it all seems much more difficult now. When I was a kid I would have lucid dreams a couple of times a week without much effort, but since I began again I haven't had even one lucid dream. Though I can remember my dreams much better now and in larger quantities.
So how are dreamwizards doing? I really hope this thread gets more activity so I can discuss LD'ing with someone.
I've heare there are parallels between sleep paralysis and lucid dreaming. I had a similar experience not too long ago, where i was aware i was dreaming but was at the mercy of my thoughts, unable to move or speak. Wasnt as terrifying as other accoumts i've read but feeling myself tumbling thru my bed towards a giant wolf head wasnt pleasant.
How to turn this into a lucid dream? Ive got the dream journal, but just try to do whatever i did before but with increased awareness?
afaik there are techniques for inducing lucid dreaming from a conscious state which involve enduring a short sleep paralysis, but in my own personal experience sleep paralysis has nothing to do with lucid dreaming.
The technique called WILD (Wake Induced Lucid Dream) is about keeping your mind aware while you move from the state of being awake to dreaming. You necessarily pass by a sleep paralysis in between. It may require some training, since it's easy to lose yourself and just sleep, getting terrified during sleep paralysis, or just getting too anxious/impatient and not being able to follow through.
Usually it begins by doing some relaxation method, like visualizing part by part of your body getting lighter, counting from 10 to 1 or such self-hypnotic-like methods. Then you may just try to do it by will alone, but an aid may be to slowly count as "one, I'm dreaming, two, I'm dreaming, three, I'm dreaming", until you notice your perceptions getting different, you undergo a sleep paralysis, keep calm and eventually your surroundings change into a dream. There are methods to go from the paralysis to dreaming, and are usually "moving without moving". Trying to "feel" your body rolling to the side, or pulling an imaginary rope upwards, and similar things. These may also be used if you awake from a dream into sleep paralysis.
I suppose many beginners used to try this method because it sounds very concrete and palpable compared to others, but the self control necessary may be quite hard to achieve. In my opinion the easiest way to do it is reality checks + dream diary. Taking the dream diary very seriously is the most important part of it.
I'd like to be able to do WILD but it just gives me bad anxiety. I can feel my heart beating and it makes me want to move.
Interesting, do you remember the name?>>46757
Thanks for the info. When I had my little paralysis incident i'd been drinking heavily the night prior to that. Will alcohol or any other type of drug like sleep aides effect this?
I've seen claims that melatonin supplements may be helpful. I've never tried it.
as the other wiz said you need to go through sleep paralysis to perform WILD. Though I'm not sure it's the same since you'll be with your eyes closed and supposedly in control. However, WILD is a more advanced method and even PhD's who study lucid dreaming admit most of the dreams come from combining MILD with other techniques or supplements.
It may sound fucked up, but today I saw a strange and beautiful lucid dream inside another dream. I was a leaf on a tree. The sun was bright and warm, the wind was gentle and pleasant. After I had woken in my first dream, I cried from happiness. It was nothing I have ever felt in real life, just pure bliss.
And then I woke up truly. Should have stayed there, in the dreams.
Once I dreamed I walked to a gate where a man forbid me entrance and sent me flying back at high speed, and then I became a dead looking tree in a dark forest, very few leaves and some shadow being were attacking my leaves and branches, causing very real terrible pain and discomfort. I woke up distressed and feeling physically the horrible sensations of the dream. I couldn't shake it off how it was too similar to the punishment for the suicidal as described in Dante's Inferno.
This happened to me recently. It was fun. I hope it happens again, for sure it will be more worked.
Will look into it, might give benadryl a try too.>>46776
I believe I have an idea of what he's referring to, at the time I felt I did have some element of control but the experience was so bizarre that I panicked and tried to snap out of it instead.
Is it actually possible to learn lucid dreaming? I’ve “tried” a few times but always gave up before I had even started. I’ve heard a few stories about people practicing for years with no results.
As a side note, is lucid dreaming worth pursuing? I’ve had a few semi-lucid dreams in the past and they were nice, I suppose. But are lucid dreams something that I can escape into consistently, even if my waking hours are painful and tedious?
In my experience it's not something you learn to do voluntarily, but rather steps you take to make a fortuitous event more likely to happen and be remembered.
Maybe with some serious power of self control and concentration it may be mastered in such a way.
I tend to end up in a lucid dream right after experiencing sleep paralysis, which often happens when my sleep is interrupted (I guess during REM sleep, from what I've read). I wake up paralyzed but I don't do anything to free myself. I just lie there and try to remain calm, knowing that any oddities I experience are a result of the sleep paralysis, and try to fall back asleep whilst remaining conscious. That seems to be my recipe for entering a lucid dream.
Today my parents were being noisy and doing laundry. Since the laundry machine is right next door to my room, I was awoken a few times over the course of several hours. Fortunately, this resulted in sleep paralysis, and I used the method I described above (which I am nowhere near mastering, but it's nice to see results). Thus, I managed to achieve lucidity several times throughout my rest. The dreams themselves were strange - even though I was lucid, I only had partial control over the course of each dream. I tried to alter certain aspects, with little or no success, frequently ending the dream by accident. Still, being conscious at all during a dream is a fascinating experience - maybe next time, I'll try just letting the dream take me where it will.
As for the content of the dreams, I unfortunately don't remember much. In one dream, an old-style rotary phone was ringing in front of me, and I managed to control my dream-body enough to reach out and pick it up. What a strange feeling that was - it was like a phantom limb, and I could still partially feel my real arms due to the sleep paralysis. On the other end of the phone was a quiet robo-voice, saying some words I don't remember. Another dream was flashing images before me, which faded in and out every few seconds. I wonder if that was my brain processing memories?
When people say they've been trying for years with no results, it's generally because they're not putting in any effort or they're ignoring important practices like dream journaling and meditation. To be able to consistently escape into the dreamworld you need to significantly change how you experience the waking world. It's one thing to logically know that you can never prove you're awake, but it's another to viscerally feel that fact all the time.
If you want to go in hard, prioritize the methods that involve sleep paralysis. Most newcomers are too scared to try this, but it can't hurt you and it's the key to powerful lucid dreams.
I had three lucid dreams by an accident.
When the first one happened, I was strolling on some country road in my regular dream state when I looked down at my hands and it abruptly warped me into full consciousness. And by full I mean completely indistinguishable from wakefulness, not even a tint of dreamlike haze. It was pretty short and the only thing that I managed to do was a quick flight before I scared myself by imagining the consequence of seeing some uncontrollable horrors in such a clear mind.
The second one occurred without a prelude. The dream started with me getting up from my bed and immediately checking my hands. It was even more brief than the previous one and I only had time to wipe my surroundings into a pure white nothingness by the force of will before waking up.
The third one was barely a dream. I only remember that when I looked at my hands I felt some insuperable resistance instead of the usual swift transition. In the dream-induced delusion I felt like continuing the struggle could be fatal so I gave in and disappeared back into the thoughtless sleep.
It all happened in a same month for some reason. I suspect that my surroundings aided the dreams, because at the time I was visiting my grandmother and her neighbourhood is full of sounds that are absent in the usual city setting. Barking dogs, rustling leaves, cars passing nearer than usual and a whole new array of loud birds probably disturbed me at some point during the night and triggered the lucid dream. I am also very prone to sleep paralysis, which I guess added to the mix.
The key to dreaming is to reject logic and rationality when it comes to harboring beliefs about human nature. Dont get into mainstream politics, study science as an art form, and as much as possible consider what you see in yor 3rd eye as an actual tangible spirit/ message from your higher soul thats floating in the ethers.When you become accustomed to things not of the norm in your waking reality, the dream state will be easier to recognize. People dont remember their dreams because theyre way too chaotic and different then their linear ways of life so they cant process them. This is why the outcasts of society were always considered shamans in tribal times. The aboriginals supposedly have the lowest IQ but if you look into their culture theyre all about dream walking almost as if thats the true reality and the 3D is just an experience.
The game's Phantasy Star II for Sega Genesis in case anybody wants to know
I've began a dream journal about a week ago and already I can feel the results. Not a day went by I that I coudn't remember at least a part of a dream and a couple of nights managed to remember more than one dream. I'm not focusing on lucid dreaming right now but maybe I'll try eventually. My first goal was just being able to remember dreams.
I wish lucid dreaming was easier to accomplish, especially the conscious entry kind with no gap in awareness (WILD)
It seems like the perfect hobby, you would never run out of ideas and experiences, your imagination being the only limit. Pic related is a guide for those who actually can manage to do it, and how to achieve better control over the aspects of the dream you can control (which with enough mastery and experience should be everything eventually)
reminder that our ancestors dreamt much more, protip for more vivid dreams is cutting sugar LOOK MORE INTO IT / ANCIENT DIETS ETC
Advice for low-willpower wiz to learn lucid dreaming??
That depends entirely on the nature of your lack of willpower.
Hyper-vigilance and terror are natural responses to being under sleep paralysis, it's something every apprentice dreamer goes through. One thing that can help deal with the sleep paralysis spookums is to understand where each one comes from. Footsteps for example, are your brain rationalising the sound of your heart beating. Understand this with unflinching confidence and the rationalisation won't be needed. The Incubus and the Strangler are born from "unusually" shallow breathing and given shape by panic and fear when you can't control it in the paralysed state. Shadow men standing over your bed are just a way of reconciling hypnagogic hallucinations with the meat world. TLDR It's all in your head, which, while extremely obvious when thinking rationally, is something that takes effort to believe emotionally when it's dancing around your bed sticking fingers up your nose.
Secondly, what you expect is what you shall receive. Read the countless stories about men and monsters made of mist mousing along your mattress and that's what your mind'll make. Now when I reach paralysis, my farmilliar (well, the hypnagogia has to take form as something
:-) comes to bring me into the dreamworld and any other bullshit that materialises can do as it pleases. Of course something consistent like this takes time to incubate, but conditioning your expectations to stupid, benevolent, or otherwise non-hellish visions is something you can begin to do right now.
And if despite all this the fear is still lurking and the spookums are still spooking, you could always just let them take you. What's the worst they could do, drag you off to hell? Gut you? Is that even bad? IMO it's better to have your organs harvested by agents from a mysterious three-letter agency than to run away to where they can never exist and continue living in monotony. It's really a last resort for the desperate, but for me accepting that there were going to be strange men in my bedroom, that they would try to touch me, that I would be paralysed, that it would be terrifying, and facing the fear head on was the final step in learning to walk between worlds.
The thing is I don't even experience any of those things you mention, my sleep paralysis is not like that at all, though I do know those are things people experience but I already knew long ago, maybe even at the start that its just hypnagogia that causes people to see shit like that, especially since its the border between sleep and wakefulness and such.
But no see, (perhaps in this context my situation is even more pathetic) it's the pure sensations themselves that cause anxiety and fear, the fear of being unable to let go and accept the experience, knowing full well what it is, what the rushing sensation, the heaviness and everything is and will lead to, but for some reason I just can't do it.
I can't tolerate anxiety and panic sensations very well in waking life either. And the intensity of the sensations and the rapid speed they come on and while being fully conscious it's just overwhelming and causes me to force myself out of that potential WILD everytime. Just like with my panic/anxiety attacks, I know rationally they are not harmful and will pass but that knowledge provides little comfort in-the-moment when the brain is sensing danger where there is none and is panicking. I know rationally what sleep paralysis is about, and that for instance the sensation of labored breathing and a heavy chest is merely the "heaviness" that comes from REM atonia but in the moment it is overwhelming and out of my control and so I shake out of it everytime…
I think I would be better of trying to induce DILD's at this point, maybe through SSILD, because it's clear that my attempts at WILD will go nowhere without overcoming this anxiety block and that will take much longer…
I think I got carried away with demonstrating what a cool boy I was, re-reading that post is embarrassing. All I should've said is that the stuff you're describing is normal. I shook myself out of the first few sleep paralyses and felt like a massive retard immediately afterwards too, it's just something you have to get used to. Do what you can to induce the state intentionally as much as you can, and be patient with yourself when you chicken out.
>I think I would be better of trying to induce DILD's at this point
It's good practice to be doing that all the time anyway, it will even make WILDs more likely to work. I would say just carry on with both at the same time. Have you been putting in all the foundational work, namely (in ascending order of importance) meditation, proper sleep schedule and dream journaling? SSILD is a good technique IMO, ganbatte your best with it anon!
Why is meditation so low, some report increased lucid dreams when meditating at night before sleep, also I obviously need to commit stronger and longer to get over my anxiety, that is probably the only way I'll be able to finally give in to sleep paralysis and such lol
It sucks it has to be this way. Especially cause I can remember only once when I had a WILD form around me when falling asleep without any REM atonia/SP the dream scene formed around me out of nowhere while falling asleep and so rapidly, and felt and looked so vivid and I can still to this day recall the dream scene- it was at night on a deserted highway and I was just staring down at the road seeing the miniscule detail - the bumps and rises and dips on the asphalt surface in such vivid clarity, and how they were wet and illuminated orange by the street lamps, hearing sirens in the distance. It was all happening so fast and with such vividness that I panicked and forced myself out regretting it immediately
So until I can overcome this reflex I doubt I can get further, at least with WILDs, since it doesn't even need to include sleep paralysis sensations to make me force myself out of the experience.
How do I lucid dream?? Total beginner..
here is a method i have decent success with. sleep for between 4.5-6 hours (set an alarm), then get out of bed, get completely awake for about half an hour, and then go back to bed to fall asleep. while you're falling asleep, try to keep your awareness. it gives me a lucid dream a good percentage of the time.
>>50091>Why is meditation so low
Meditation can be very helpful, but the other two things are practically mandatory.
>until I can overcome this reflex I doubt I can get further, at least with WILDs, since it doesn't even need to include sleep paralysis sensations to make me force myself out of the experience
Again, this is really not that unusual. The inexperienced usually do and up forcing themselves out of lucid dreams. You're not in a worse position than any other beginner, just practice and you'll be fine.>>50114
Go through this guide and dig through some of the linkshttps://www.dreamviews.com/introduction-zone/124786-beginners-guide-lucid-dreaming.html
Can anyone lucid dream?
It comes more naturally to some than others, but yes, anyone can learn.
Is lucid dreaming worth pursuing? It sounds like the ultimate escapism.
Yes, several month old post. Gaining god powers for a few hours every night is worth the comparatively little effort required. The hardest part is maintaining a dream journal.
Ah dreams, the only thing to look forward to in my life. That being said, I think I have lucid dreamed a couple of times but it's hardly regular. My dreams are usually conventional but there is the occasional dream that is so multilayered that it feels like the plot of a film.