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A thread for wizards to discuss books.
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I recently read and enjoyed "Depressive Realism: Interdisciplinary perspectives," the latest book from Colin Feltham, a semi-retired British academic. He is deeply pessimistic and somewhat sympathetic to antinatalism, so I think many wizards will enjoy his work.
There are even brief references to the hikikomori phenomenon, autism spectrum disorder, and adult male virgins living on the fringes of society.
This book was published with an academic press, so it's a bit drier than his previous (and best, I think) book, "Keeping Ourselves in the Dark," but it's still engaging and worth checking out.
Here's a brief description of the book by the author:
"In Depressive Realism: Interdisciplinary Perspectives I hijack the narrow psychological concept of depressive realism (DR) to look very broadly and pessimistically at human evolution and history, religion, philosophy, psychology and psychotherapy, socio-cultural phenomena, and science and technology."http://imperfectcognitions.blogspot.com/2017/06/depressive-realism.html
And here's an interview with him on depressive realism, antinatalism, and other topics:http://www.knunst.com/planetzapffe/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Interview-Colin-Feltham-20141.pdf
Other Feltham books dealing with similar themes:
"Keeping Ourselves in the Dark">>36464
"What's Wrong with Us?: The Anthropathology Thesis"
I too enjoyed that book. I should probably read it again, it has been years.
camp of the saints
Check out some of John Brunner's stuff. His most dystopian novels are The Sheep Look Up, The Shockwave Rider, and Stand On Zanzibar. The first is probably the most bleak, the latter two are really good but in my opinion have overly optimistic endings.
Sounds like my kind of guy. Will definitely give at least Depressive Realism a read if not Keeping Ourselves in the Dark also.
>my writing for the past ten years has also focused on what I call anthropathology (the principle of evolved, pervasive human pathology); on philosophies of failure and pessimism; on aspects of evolutionary psychology
Bringing evolutionary pyschology into pessimism is a huge weight that optimistic normies can't knock down. It lends a scientific backing that really overturns common Western morality.
You don't happen to have a PDF/mobi/epub/etc of this do you?
No, I don't. Sorry, wiz.
berkeley isn't philosophy, he's friggin' metaphysics
I recently spent some time learning about the life and work of English writer and philosopher of optimism Colin Wilson. My two favorite resources on him were Gary Lachman's wonderful book "Beyond the Robot: The Life and Work of Colin Wilson" and Wilson's own final book and summary of his thought, "Super Consciousness: The Quest for the Peak Experience."
Ultimately, Wilson didn't convince me that a pessimistic view of life is wrong, but I still greatly enjoyed reading him.If you asked me what is the basis of all my work it's the feeling there's something basically wrong with human beings. Human beings are like grandfather clocks driven by watch springs. Our powers appear to be taken away from us by something. A glib, ungenerous biographer might conclude Wilson's entire oeuvre and unremitting emphasis on optimism and life affirmation was a reaction to his long teenage depression, a manic, lifelong effort to keep his cosmic anxiety at bay. That someone might work toward an alternative to depression rather than accept it, as some do, as an ultimate truth about reality, seems a more perceptive and reasonable assessment.
–Gary LachmanWilson called his philosophy "new existentialism" or "phenomenological existentialism", and maintained his life work was "that of a philosopher, and (his) purpose to create a new and optimistic existentialism".https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colin_Wilson
Two brutal but interesting articles by hostile mainstream writers:>'Now they will realise that I am a genius' https://www.theguardian.com/books/2004/may/30/biography.features1>Colin Wilson, overpriced at nothing. Phil Baker on an angry existentialist who found Shakespeare ‘second-rate’ and Beckett ‘half-witted’ https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/public/overpriced-at-nothing/
And a fun, sympathetic one:>Philosopher of Optimism Endures Negative Delugehttps://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/17/books/philosopher-of-optimism-endures-negative-deluge.html
A website with great pieces on Wilson by a sympathetic academic:https://colinwilsononline.com/philosophy-4/https://colinwilsononline.com/critique-2/
thanks for cluing me into this fellow
Currently reading Canti by Leopardi. He conveys his radical pessimism regarding human condition with intense lyrical beauty. After enlightenment, progress, science and reason appear as the new beacons for humanity to follow, but to Leopardi this is a disaster: the world loses its magic and charm (a mere substance to be used now) and consequently human life, stripped from its fundations and thrown into the void, turns meaningless. Delusions are needed to live, otherwise, overwhelmed by the void, we fell into despair. That's the tragic condition of human life, self awareness is a great burden.
"You, Ariosto, meanwhile, were born to sweet
dreams, and the primal sun, shone
on your face, carefree singer of love and arms,
who filled life with happy illusions,
in an age less sad than ours:
Italy’s new hope. O chambers, O towers,
O ladies, O cavaliers,
O gardens, O palaces, thinking of you,
my mind is lost in a thousand
empty pleasures. Vanities, lovely follies,
and strange thoughts,
filled human life: what remains, now the leaves
are stripped from things? Only the certainty
of seeing all is empty, except sadness. "
And when you learn about his life, Leopardi gets even more poetic and tragic. He was the son of a severe and possessive mother, he spent his whole childhood and adolescence reading the classics and learning languages inside the family library and he was weak and crippled since birth.
Principles of Human knowledge is an epistemological, not a metaphysics text, and in any case metaphysics is a branch of philosophy
I discovered him from that pessimism philosophy book
Should I get a e-reader or just keep buying $5 books at Half Price Books?
Its on my list, because I wanna be able to blame my DNA, and not hold any of my personal decisions responsible
That's not quite the complete message he wants to send, I think, though I was personally disturbed and saddened to learn about the power over our lives that genes plus random environmental effects have.
Plomin repeatedly says things like, "Genes aren't destiny, but they're the main systematic force in life."
He wants the reader to not interpret all this too fatalistically, but he also hopes that by understanding the power of genes plus random environmental effects we will be less hard on ourselves, our parents, and strangers.
That's my understanding of the book anyway, I've always been poor at understanding even simplified popular science concepts.
This lecture by Wilson is very good and I think a fine introduction to his intellectual project
just started the LOTR trilogy.
I know I'm in for the long haul - is it worth it? Thoughts?
>>47782>understanding the power of genes plus random environmental effects we will be less hard on ourselves, our parents, and strangers.
Actually it'll help us blame everything on our parents; even the nurture part is also their fault
I like it, but maybe you should read the Hobbit first to get a feel for Tolkien.
andrew yang's war on normal people
If you like solid world building and lore within a good, though rather long, story then it is very worth it. There is a reason it has had such a deep cultural impact.
How long do you spend reading per day?
I have not read much in 2019, but for the last several years I read about five or six hours per day. I also take reading notes and make photocopies. It's fun to look over these journals and folders every few months. I'm autistic and compiling information like this is really soothing in a way.
I'm a hikki wiz and this has been a great, inexpensive hobby for me.
Damn that's impressive, I struggle to hit 1 hour a day
Usually two or three. It also depends on how I'm feeling that day. If I'm tired or feeling like shit I don't really grasp what I'm reading, so I skip that day.
Usually around an hour. Unless the book is the kind that captures my attention and makes me want to keep reading. I am reading the Diary of sir Alanbrooke and that is fairly interesting so I have been reading for 3 or 4 hours these last few days(it's a long book).
what about the crossdressing?
Also false, according to Weiner. "The allegation rests on third-hand hearsay from highly unreliable sources."
I feel a little late in just now getting into Lovecraft at my age, but damn, he's pretty fucking amazing. Few writers feel so of their time and ahead of their time, at the same time.
Interesting fella indeed. Lots of conspiracies from his sexuality to his ancestry.
Finished reading The Book of Disquiet.
I heard a lot of good things about it over the years, here and on other imageboards, and I wasn't disappointed. Even translated to English his prose and descriptions are very beautiful.
Honestly didn't expect to relate to some of his writings as much as I did, though. Reading "Funeral March for Ludwig II, King of Bavaria" last night hit me like a brick.
>'What do you have,’ she said, ‘that binds you to life? Love doesn’t follow you, glory doesn’t seek you, and power doesn’t find you. The house that you inherited was in ruins. The lands you received had already lost their first fruits to frost, and the sun had withered their promises. You have never found water in your farm’s well. And before you ever saw them, the leaves had all rotted in your pools; weeds covered the paths and walkways where your feet had never trod.
>'But in my domain, where only the night reigns, you will be consoled, for your hopes will have ceased; you’ll be able to forget, for your desire will have died; you will finally rest, for you’ll have no life.’
>And she showed me the futility of hoping for better days when one isn’t born with a soul that can know better days. She showed me how dreaming never consoles, for life hurts all the more when we wake up. She showed me how sleep gives no rest, for it is haunted by phantoms, shadows of things, ghosts of gestures, stillborn desires, the flotsam from the shipwreck of living.
>And as she spoke, she slowly folded up – more slowly than ever – her rugs which tempted my eyes, her silks which my soul coveted, and the linens of her altarpieces, where my tears were already falling.
>'Why try to be like others if you’re condemned to being yourself? Why laugh if, when you laugh, even your genuine happiness is false, since it is born of forgetting who you are? Why cry if you feel it’s of no use, and if you cry not because tears console you but because it grieves you that they don’t?
I can't help but be curious as to how you go about organizing your information.>>48435
Thanks, that makes me want to read it. I've also heard about it many years ago and have it but never got around to reading it.
There's a book called Blood & Mistletoe: The History of Druids in Britain. There's actually very little known about druids so I'm hoping to find out more about them in this book.
I don't really have an organizing system.
I have a messy, disordered mind, and my notebooks reflect that unfortunate fact! That Druid book looks interesting, going to check it out soon, thanks.
You won't believe how thankful I am for your recommendation. I generally dislike reading, more so if it's something modernist, yet I decided to give this book a try anyway after reading the small excerpt in your post. And this book is truly something else. It rarely makes sense, it doesn't have to, but I enjoy it anyway, I reread certain passages, I often find myself unwittingly closing the book, dazzled at how accurately the book mirrors my own thoughts. It's a great read so far.
This excerpt was an enchanting read, thank you for posting it. I'm going to read this book after I finish the book I'm currently reading.
>>47198>Depressive Realism>Keeping Ourselves in the Dark
Can you ummm write down like a summerised list of core statements from those books? Would be cool.>>48435
I guess Cioran and Ligotti made me a bit edgelord. The first couple of pages were promising. But then he went on describing (in a cringy artsy way) how fucking beautiful and fullfiling his shitty job is. Life is hell, but writing down useless numbers in documents is AMAZING. I dropped it there, and from your excerpts it seems like fartsy stuff continued.>>47796
Finally started too. Well… when i was a teenager, everyone told me how Dragonlance and Sword of Truth are trash, and LOTR is "true" fantasy.
It's boring. I think it would be even worse, if i haven't seen movies before.
I'm not that good at English to write down my thoughts, but that is what my impression of half of what's going on there: "Gendalf the Gray also known as Olórin the BlaBlaBla sat on his horse named Shadowfax, descendant of Felaróf, of the race of the long-lived Mearas, whose ancestors were brought from the West by Oromë, whom Rohirrim called king of horses, and elves called him whateverthefuck, but in gnomes legends he was SilverAss of MoonButthole, depending on which tribe of gnomes you choose, and suddenly the old wizard dropped his sword, Glamdring, also called the Foe-hammer, also called Beater by the Goblins, and DickScratcher by Crab People, forged for Turgon, the King of Gondolin during the First Age, and said "Oh, damn"."
If Pessoa was around today, I think there's a serious chance he would be a NEET wasting all his time on the computer.
>>48617>The first couple of pages were promising. But then he went on describing (in a cringy artsy way) how fucking beautiful and fullfiling his shitty job is. Life is hell, but writing down useless numbers in documents is AMAZING. I dropped it there, and from your excerpts it seems like fartsy stuff continued.
He talks of his job this way because it could have been worse. It pays well, the workload is okay, his colleagues are nice and are rarely obnoxious, he gets to travel a bit, and to daydream on a balcony with a nice view of the street and even write his thoughts during breaks and in-between his work.>>48618
>>48617>But then he went on describing (in a cringy artsy way) how fucking beautiful and fullfiling his shitty job is.
Firstly it wasn't his real job, the book was written from the perspectives of different personas he created. Vasquez and his co-workers were also made up. But of course it was probably based on real experiences, as he did work at a mercantile company at one point in his life.
Secondly I don't think he ever really glorified his job, it was mainly just him coping by daydreaming about things he saw in the office or people out the window. The job may be monotonous as fuck but because of that it allows him to dream like he does, transporting him to different worlds where he can be someone else.
To me the beauty of his writings comes from his understanding of life as a negative, yet still managing to portray beauty through his prose. I'm too lazy to pull out example passages right now but there are some really good ones, descriptions of nature of of his daydreaming, and the stories he makes up for people he sees passing by, or describing abstract sensations. Even the way he writes about his isolation is beautiful to me. The book is depressing but there's also an odd kind of comfort that comes with it, and to me that's what makes it special.
I know it isn't actually reading but I figgured this is the appropreate place to vent about it.
I recently started listening to the audio book of atlas shrugged. After years of having people tell me about it and give their interpretations and opinions on it for years both good and bad I fugured I owed it to myself to "read it" and see what I personally got out of it.
It isn't that I am too lazy to read it normally, but I find listening to a book singing the praises of capitalism while at work more fitting then spending my leisure time grinding through it.
I was struck by 3 main things even in the first chapter about the book.
1. that Ayn Rand is not a very good writer.
In fact her writing has all the hallmarks of the same things that make me cringe when I read female written fan fiction. Including overly detailed romantic and sexual fantasies involving the extremely obvious idealized self insert.
2.that a lot of the praise the book gets is probably due to few books delivering the message id delivers rather then how well that message was delivered.
It pounds it's point into the dirt and beats the dead horse that was killed by choking it on strawmen shoved down it's gullet
Which brings me to…
3. Nearly all the characters are 1 dimensional cliches and the story is cartoonish in it's simplicity.
I can kind of deal with this (long time anime and cartoon fan so I am used to it) but the fact that she goes on for so long and stretches these already flat characters so thing, they just aren't suitable for the task to keep the story interesting as in any given situation after they are introduced you already can predict how they will reacted.
All that said I think if it wasn't quite so overly long (the audio version I got book is literally 55 hours long) and redundant in message I could actually enjoy the story, if for no other reason then it's novelty as I don't really see too many stories with such message. Nor one that goes to such comedic pains to parody the "parasites" of the world.
I also like that it brings new understanding a game I enjoyed which was a direct rebuttable of this book in perpendicular (bioshock). In fact I think as celebration once I finish this book I think I will give it another play-though. Good game.
Really meh book.
I read the master of go by Kawabata a couple of years ago in English. I thought it was awesome. Not sure if you will get as much out of it if you don't understand the board game but I think you might still enjoy it.
Thanks, I was planning on reading that one and The Sound of the Mountain next, since those are the ones I've seen praised most. Don't know anything about Go really but I guess I'll read up on the rules quickly before starting.
Also might try Thousand Cranes while I'm at it, I read it years ago in English and while it wasn't as good as Snow Country I still liked it.
Cool, I would enjoy hearing what you think of it. I should read some more of his books as well, although I understand that Master of Go is considerably different than his other works.
The Old Man and the Sea is boring. It is trite. I daresay nothing actually happened in the book. I never felt that Santiago was in danger, and I disagree with the fatalist message. I have no idea how this won any award. It is bloated and childishly simple, and the dialogue is strange and alien and every sentence is long and without commas. I have read none of Hemingway's other work or knowledge of his personal life, but I don't believe having such knowledge would endear me any more to this book.
5 pages into Unabomber's manifesto and it's already one of the most eye-opening things I've ever read.
I finaly got around to read a few books as I didn'thave internet for the entire week. I used the archive one wiz posted a while back.
First read Pet Semetary. I enjoyed it, it was rather spooky. The foreshadowing was good and I got the chills while reading certain passages. I really pitied the Zelda loli though. She suffered so much and was almost villified through the story. I saw her more like a tragic character, she was innocent and just got dealt a horrible existence by the demiure. I almost felt like crying for her instead of being scared.
Then I read The Orphans of the Sky. Good book as well, very well-written. I liked the absolute lack of female characters. It was like they were cattle or something, didn't have any dialogues. Satisfactory ending, good environment building, enjoyable story.
I also read The Stranger by Camus. I found it interesting to compare the protagonist with myself due to the focus on his inner thoughts. I had a lot in common with his detached apathetic attitude of just taking things as they come. Also I found the absurdity of being dealt a death sentence basically for not displaying any emotions at his mother's funeral a good indication of how society ostracizes all those who are different. I could very well see myself in his shoes.
Then I read The Day of the Triffids. Enjoyed it probably the most of all the books. Read it in one afternoon. Not much to say, but that it's a well-written piece of fiction with an interesting story where you're curious of how it will develop, so you just keep reading on.
Lastly I read the first book of the Hitchhiker's guide series. I did enjoy it and did chuckle a few times, however I found it slightly overrated and a lot of the jokes kinda childish/forced. I'll probably give the sequels a chance later as well, just out of curiosity.
And I finally finished Atlas Shrugged.
Overall it was ok.
What I liked:
I actually liked many of the long winded rants and speeches. Probably the best part of the book to me if I am being honest.
What I didn't like:
the romantic and sexual escapades of Ayn Rand's obvious self insert. Super cringy.
Takes way too long to get to the point and oddly enough the writing has many of the flaws I see in charicter writing in anime.
A prime example of this is it the over an hour long description of the details leading up to a slow motion train disaster. As I stated before this book takes a point and beats it to death, reanimates its corpse, then beats it to death again just to make sure.
Not sure what to read/listen to next.
Anyone got a recommendation for someone who sort of liked Atlas Shrugged?
based on all you said, seems pointless to read more fiction, might as well just read nonfiction treatises where its nothing but the speeches
Thanks for the recommendation. How much did it cost?
I'm reading Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep right now, since I enjoyed Blade Runner 2049.
It's a fantastic series. Loved it as a kid and recently re-read Fellowship and enjoyed it greatly. In some ways it's the archetypal heroic story, i.e. an orphan boy going out into the big wide world in order to save it. But it's very well written.
I can't remember if it was me who made this post, but I'm also reading Blood & Mistletoe right now. It's quite interesting so far, although the author makes it clear early on that very little evidence (comparatively speaking) exists about the druids.
I recommend the biographical books on Ted Kaczynski also. Harvard and the Unabomber and Every Last Tie are very interesting books about his life.
I bought my copy on Amazon (USA) for about $50, which is very pricey for me. I don't regret paying that much for it, but I'm still a bit annoyed at the publisher for making a short paperback book so expensive.
Kind of took your advice. "Reading" Meditations by Marcus Aurelius. Really digging it so far.
New Eugenics program when? Can't wait to be gassed, my life has been a whack.
I guess it's an academic book. I buy a book like that maybe twice a year but hate paying so much.
Any other books that you would recommend?
Here are some books I recommended in the Thomas Ligotti thread over on /lounge/.
-Cioran "The Trouble with Being Born"
-Saltus "A Philosophy of Disenchantment"
-Benatar "The Human Predicament"
-Schopenhauer "Essays and Aphorisms"
-John Gray "Straw Dogs: Thoughts on Humans and Other Animals" and nearly all his other recent books for that matter
-R. Raj Singh "Death, Contemplation, and Schopenhauer"
-Donald A. Crosby "The Specter of the Absurd"
-Georges Minois "History of Suicide"
-Alan Pratt "The Dark Side: Thoughts on the futility of Life from the Ancients Greeks to the Present"
Thank you, kind Wiz.
Is the Georges Minois quite detailed and well referenced? Only I have a book called The Ethics of Suicide (about 600 big pages) and it basically provides a brief summary of different cultures and philosophers and their thoughts on suicide. Pretty interesting.
No problem, wiz. Yes, I thought it was a fairly detailed survey of the subject. IIRC it seemed to me at the time that the author had done quite a lot of research. It's published by Johns Hopkins University Press. I also remember it being a pleasure to read. Highly recommended.
There was a similar book I checked out called 'Farewell to the World: A History of Suicide.' I didn't enjoy it as much, but you might also want to give it a look.
>>48702>I disagree with the fatalist message
I don't remember any fatalism in that story
If you liked Day of the Triffids I would recommend John Wyndham's other novels, they are very solid particularly The Midwich Cuckoos
Thanks for the recommendation. I will.
i've been reading books on finance and money management in case my mother kicks me the fuck out
total money makeover
99 principles of money management
rich dad poor dad
i ignore all the normie shit
I am reading https://www.amazon.com/Mathematics-10-Lessons-Grand-Tour/dp/1591026865
This is kind of different from other math books that I read in my life
I've been reading a history book and enjoying it. However I can't help but think it's a waste of time since I'll forget most of the details as time passes anyway. Retention requires you to either use the information in some activity or have a deep impression of it. I'll never have a situation where I have to make use of historical knowledges and things that leaves impressions on me are minute compared to the body of information consumed. It's a shame that for example, that details of spartan culture and history will be reduced to "Oh the spartans, they're that tough guys." and maybe some factoids like how they whip young boys or whatever.
Why are you buying public domain books, wiz?
Because I'm tired of looking at a screen after 8 hours of work. Also, twice a week I spend 3 hours travelling and you have to fight the boredom somehow. My "normal" phone can't read pdfs too.
When I experience that I just read again and again until I get it.
part of me kind of wants to start reading (Edith Grossman's translation of) Don Quixote, but I'm reluctant to do so for a couple of reasons- one being that there's every possibility that I'll give up before making it through the first chapter, as usually happens whenever I try to get back into reading.>>48617>It's boring. I think it would be even worse, if i haven't seen movies before.
Fair assessment, from what I recall of my last go at it>I'm not that good at English to write down my thoughts, but that is what my impression of half of what's going on there
not bad, but it needs one or two more songs and three or four more tangents about pipeweed.
What books about thieves/breaking into houses and other secured places at the risk of being seen do wizards know and can recommend? I found out only recently how much I adore these kind of situations in media and fiction.
I'm currently reading Marnie by Winston Graham. It is about a succubus who is disgusted by sexuality and is a pathological liar and a kleptomaniac. I enjoy it very much. She is kind of like waifu material for us wizards.
More detail please?
I haven't read it all but basically it's an anthropology about the existence of class attitudes, the underlying message being that our "civilized" forms of emulation are just evolutions of the warlike culture of pre-industrial savagery. So that, for example, the act of conspicuous consumption (author is the father of that term btw) is just the civilized man's way to signal his superior person (by signaling his superior personal wealth) in the way that war trophies did for primitive man. The author was a professor (of what I don't remember) whose fearsome scholarship shows. I don't think there was ever an accepted debunking of anything in his book.
It seems Pessoa has found his way into many wizards' hearts.
Also, wish I could travel to Portugal someday.
>>48946>it needs one or two more songs and three or four more tangents about pipeweed
btw holy shit, someone agreed with me on the internet, that's new
Are you Portuguese?
I love Pessoa, glad to see so many other Wizards enjoy his work.
Fellow Wizs I have an idea that may be quite fun and bring the board a little closer together temporarily. Would anyone be interested in contributing to an audiobook reading of The Book of Disquiet?
We can figure out how many people from across Wizchan would like to contribute, and then edit and upload the book in its entirety, read aloud quite fittingly by countless anonymous voices.
I’m up for it! That sounds like fun.
Thanks for the rec.
Currently reading Capital by Karl Marx, just finished the first volume of the three that make up the first book in my edition. I find it dense sometimes but also extremely interesting and sometimes even funny. It's also very rewarding to understand deeply the theory he developed, to join all the pieces and see how each concept contains the following. It sounds like mumbo-jamboo when I say it but it's actually very pleasant to see it.>>48946
I read Quixote in its original language since I'm from a latin american country, so I don't know if this applies for the translation, but I found Don Quixote to be an extremely funny and hilarious book. I genuinely laugh out loud out of it. Yes, it's very long and in the first volume you can find dozens of miny stories that are like short novels with no relation to the main story. This can be dense but I found each of these stories extremely interesting, complex and funny at the same time. It's one of the books I enjoyed the most. You won't regret it anon. Also, the ending is incredibly emotive and I cried with it.
Sounds like fun but the end result is going to be disappointing. The audio quality being a particularly big concern.
Theres a fun section in "Primitive Accumulation" about all the draconian ways the English state punished 1500s NEETs to discipline them to be wageslaves
Ok, I am starting to get tired of straight up philosophy books.
Went through all the major stoics and the last couple of books I was just bored once I basically already knew the base philosophy.
I think I would enjoy something a bit more narrative in structure, even if it still is out to make a certain philosophical point.
Something like Atlas Shrugged, Animal Farm, or Brave New World.
Fahrenheit 451, Dune (kinda), A clockwork orange, and maybe starship troopers.
I have already read 451, which I did like quite a bit.
I watched the movies of the other 3.
Are the books different enough to justify giving them a shot?
I really wasn't a fan of Dune (the movie) at all. And starship troopers only had the action movie appeal to me. The actual philosophical and political ideas behind the movie were pretty weak.
The dune movie was universally panned, so I would say give the book a shot. Starship troopers still has a bit of an action focus but goes way more into detail about their society. Also clockwork orange in my opinion is good enough to give it a second go.
Alright, thanks for the recommendations then.
>>49133>First off, I want to read the entire Bible in Japanese
Why? You'd just be reading a translation of a translation. What could be gained?
Probably practice with somewhat familiar material.
Just got done with Starship Troopers. The book is a hell of a lot better then the movies, which are brain dead in comparisons.
I enjoyed it a lot, even if I strongly disagree with the philosophy of the author the story is still very entertaining and the way the argument and ideas he lays out are interesting.
Lastly the Mobile Infantry are awesome and kind of make me wish that Hollywood would try to do a book accurate remake to show off those mech-suits in their full glory.
said. I'm learning Japanese and I just wanted a reference.
>>49134>What could be gained?
the manga panels
>>49133>I want to read the entire Bible in Japanese, but I haven't even read the full book in English
I gave up after the Book of Daniel, only the minor prophets remain but I just can't enjoy it. The prophets are all about God basically threatening Israel/Judah over and over again, this love-hate relationship really starts to drag after a while.>>49114>Went through all the major stoics and the last couple of books I was just bored once I basically already knew the base philosophy
This is me when it comes to reading any kind of philosophy. Once you grasp the basic idea behind it the whole thing will be really predictable and boring.
You joke but they actually have manga adaptations of tons of western classics now. Jane eyre, the count of monte cristo, tom sawyer, the scarlet letter, etc. It's bizarre.
don't forget mein kampf
Not really a manga, but Marvel came out with a Dracula graphic novel with all the blood, guts, gore, and horror of the original novel. It was amazing!
The new Testament gets really interesting though. Specifically the book of Acts. The adventures written down are amazing!
my favorite Russian book has recently been translated into English, though judging by the preface the translation is mediocre
you can buy it here https://books.friesenpress.com/store/title/119734000093596666/V.-K.-Tarasov-Technology-Of-Life
the book itself is a list of wisdoms, the first chapter is very short and representative, it proves that one cannot find out the meaning of an activity if they don't go beyond it, it gives an example:
a man took a glass of water and took a sip. maybe he was thirsty, maybe he wanted to taste the water, maybe he wanted to fall asleep and never wake up. we can't know the meaning of the activity within the activity, we must go beyond it, same applies to the meaning of life.
if you like this kind of thoughts and wisdoms you should check out this book (and upload it somewhere so more people could enjoy it)
Comfy as fuck.
Portugal seems to be a good country for Wizards.
Sex and Character argues that all people are composed of a mixture of male and female substance, and attempts to support this view scientifically. The male aspect is active, productive, conscious and moral/logical, while the female aspect is passive, unproductive, unconscious and amoral/alogical. Weininger argues that emancipation is only possible for the "masculine succubus", e.g. some lesbians, and that the female life is consumed with the sexual function: both with the act, as a prostitute, and the product, as a mother. succubus is a "matchmaker". By contrast, the duty of the male, or the masculine aspect of personality, is to strive to become a genius, and to forgo sexuality for an abstract love of the absolute, God, which he finds within himself.
>>49169>Portugal seems to be a good country for Wizards
No, not really.
Does not compute
>>49170>the female aspect is passive, unproductive, unconscious and amoral/alogical
So most of us wizards are females actually? That would explain lots of things…>>49162
I read the New Testament before I started reading the Old. And I agree that it is superior compared to the OT.
>>49177>So most of us wizards are females actually? That would explain lots of things…
I'll answer your question once I have finished the book.
Finished reading Sengoku Jidai. Nobunaga, Hideyoshi, and Ieyasu: Three Unifiers of Japan.
I've been interested in Sengoku era Japan ever since I played the Samurai Warriors games as a kid, but I never bothered to pick up a book about it so all my knowledge was based on the games and reading a couple of Wikipedia articles about the battles or daimyo/samurai that interested me. Reading this was great though since it filled in a lot of the blanks and corrected some inaccuracies I had gotten from the games.
The main focus, of course is on the 3 men in the title and the various campaigns and battles during the Sengoku era, but it also included a lot of chapters on other things like foreign presence in Japan (the Portugese merchants and missionaries and, later, the Dutch), social structure at the time, the influence of religion (especially on the many Buddhists and the Ikko Ikki who opposed Nobunaga), and some historical details that lend more character to the major figures of the time.
Would definitely recommend to anyone interested in Japanese history or the Sengoku era specifically. I didn't find it to be at all dry or boring, either, like some history books I've read are.
Men aren't getting into stem for moral or spiritual reasons.
They're doing it because they have the pre-requisite aptitude in pattern recognition, quantitative and spacial reasoning. (from nature or nurture or both).
And because they have the aesthetic tastes for the processes and products.
succubi don't care much about bulldozers, racecars, steel mills, guns, bugs, bridges, container terminals, oil refineries, submarines and spaceships.
The potential to be around these things or involved in their production can't serve as motivation for study.
>>49196>succubi don't care much about bulldozers, racecars, steel mills, guns, bugs, bridges, container terminals, oil refineries, submarines and spaceships.
I mean to be fair neither do I lol.
Currently reading Men at Arms, the second in the City Watch series of the Discworld books. It's probably my 8th Discworld book in total. One of the better written ones, you can see how much Pratchett improved over the series. Beautiful use of language to create humour in the lines.
any books on this subject?
i am trying to find an ebook of this
I could never get into Discworld- I always ended up being indifferent to the heroes and more often than not empathizing with and rooting for the villains.
Finished Frankenstein yesterday. It was nothing like the movie.
Incan understand how it's not for everyone. Pratchett plays with the idea of what makes a hero or a villain, and that subversion of expectation can put people off.
If you haven't, maybe try Mort. Death is a great character.
He sounds like an edgy contrarian faggot. That'll put all of his public shenanigans in context. He's just being as controversial as possible for attention.
My boss is on holidays for the next two weeks. I've worked with him for five years. Do you think it's rude if I resign over email while he's on holiday?
>>49278>i never hear people bring this up when talking about diogenes
because all his funny antics are way more interesting
Read 2 of Shakespeare's plays last week, Hamlet and King Lear (well King Lear was a reread). I didn't like Hamlet as much as King Lear or Richard III but it was still good. The part where there's a clown carelessly chucking around skulls he uncovers while digging a grave and Hamlet starts lamenting on how even great people have the same end - recycled into material for banal purposes, like a stopper or food for the worms - was really good.
King Lear is probably my favorite Shakespeare play of those I've read so far, though.
Now going through Plato's Complete Works. I've read about half his dialogues over the years but never more than a few at a time, so I'm going through and reading/rereading all of them.
Euthypro, Apology, Crito, and Phaedo were all a reread. All good and not too complicated (if anyone wants to start with Plato I'd recommend these 4 first). Some of the arguments in Phaedo - specifically the one about all souls of the living coming from souls of the dead, and to lesser extent the one about knowledge being recollection - seemed more tenuous than when I read it years ago, but I guess he wrote a lot of the arguments like that to get people to think critically and come up with their own theories.
Cratylus I read for the first time yesterday. The subject is correctness of names and naming conventions. A lot of it drags on because it's just Socrates trying to find the etymology of various words (all in Greek of course). But in the beginning and towards the end there are some interesting points brought up.
Theaetetus I reread today. I remembered it being really good and wasn't disappointed. Along with Parmenides it's probably my favorite. Lot of insights into knowledge, even if it doesn't reach a conclusive answer, and challenges a lot of the views of some older philosophers.
There's also a tangent somewhere near the middle, about the difference between a philosopher and the average 'skilled' man, i.e. a defender in the courts. Rereading this I was kind of shocked at how similar parts sound to some things I've read in Zhuangzi's works and the Bhagavad Gita.
>This accounts, my friend, for the behavior of such a man when he comes into contact with his fellows, either privately with individuals or in public life, as I was saying at the beginning. Whenever he is obliged, in a law court or elsewhere, to discuss the things that lie at his feet and before his eyes, he causes entertainment not only to Thracian servant-succubi but to all the common herd, by tumbling into wells and every sort of difficulty through his lack of experience. His clumsiness is awful and gets him a reputation for fatuousness. On occasions when personal scandal is the topic of conversation, he never has anything at all of his own to contribute; he knows nothing to the detriment of anyone, never having paid any attention to this subject—a lack of resource which makes him look very comic. And again, when compliments are in order, and self-laudation, his evident amusement—which is by no means a pose but perfectly genuine—is regarded as idiotic. When he hears the praises of a despot or a king being sung, it sounds to his ears as if some stock-breeder were being congratulated—some keeper of pigs or sheep, or cows that are giving him plenty of milk; only he thinks that the rulers have a more difficult and treacherous animal to rear and milk, and that such a man, having no spare time, is bound to become quite as coarse and uncultivated as the stock-farmer; for the castle of the one is as much a prison as the mountain fold of the other. When he hears talk of land—that so-and-so has a property of ten thousand acres or more, and what a vast property that is, it sounds to him like a tiny plot, used as he is to envisage the whole earth. When his companions become lyric on the subject of great families, and exclaim at the noble blood of one who can point to seven wealthy ancestors, he thinks that such praise comes of a dim and limited vision, an inability, through lack of education, to take a steady view of the whole, and to calculate that every single man has countless hosts of ancestors, near and remote,among whom are to be found,in every instance, rich men and beggars, kings and slaves, Greeks and foreigners, by the thousand. When men pride themselves upon a pedigree of twenty-five ancestors, and trace their descent back to Heracles the son of Amphitryon, they seem to him to be taking a curious interest in trifles. As for the twenty-fifth ancestor of Amphitryon, what he may have been is merely a matter of luck, and similarly with the fiftieth before him again. How ridiculous, he thinks, not to be able to work that out, and get rid of the gaping vanity of a silly mind.
>But it is not possible, Theodorus, that evil should be destroyed—for there must always be something opposed to the good; nor is it possible that it should have its seat in heaven. But it must inevitably haunt human life, and prowl about this earth. That is why a man should make all haste to escape from earth to heaven; and escape means becoming as like God as possible; and a man becomes like God when he becomes just and pious, with understanding. But it is not at all an easy matter, my good friend, to persuade men that it is not for the reasons commonly alleged that one should try to escape from wickedness and pursue virtue. It is not in order to avoid a bad reputation and obtain a good one that virtue should be practiced and not vice; that, it seems to me, is only what men call ‘old wives’talk’.
>Let us try to put the truth in this way. In God there is no sort of wrong whatsoever; he is supremely just, and the thing most like him is the man who has become as just as it lies in human nature to be. And it is here that we see whether a man is truly able, or truly a weakling and a nonentity; for it is the realization of this that is genuine wisdom and goodness, while the failure to realize it is manifest folly and wickedness. Everything else that passes for ability and wisdom has a sort of commonness—in those who wield political power a poor cheap show, in the manual workers a matter of mechanical routine. If, therefore, one meets a man who practices injustice and is blasphemous in his talk or in his life, the best thing for him by far is that one should never grant that there is any sort of ability about his unscrupulousness; such men are ready enough to glory in the reproach, and think that it means not that they are mere rubbish, cumbering the ground to no purpose, but that they have the kind of qualities that are necessary for survival in the community. We must therefore tell them the truth—that their very ignorance of their true state fixes them the more firmly therein. For they do not know what is the penalty of injustice, which is the last thing of which a man should be ignorant. It is not what they suppose—scourging and death—things which they may entirely evade in spite of their wrongdoing. It is a penalty from which there is no escape.
Anyways also going through Aristotle's Complete Works and supplementing both that and Plato with the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy articles and some of Sadler's lectures on youtube.
Are any of you into the physical aspects of books?
tbh most of the books I read are on the PC or audio. But since 2016 I've also acquired a fairly large library of hardcopy books. I guess reading about ancient and medieval manuscripts, and how painstakingly they were prepared by volcel monk scribes like ourselves, and how rare and sacred they were. The tragedy of lost books. The scriptorium in the Name of the Rose. I've become fascinated with books as physical objects. And also collected some old ones from the 1800s and 1700s.
There doesn't seem to be much of a market for used books, so its been a relatively cheap hobby for me, my version of stamp collecting.
I was thinking of reading Plato's dialogues backwards starting with the Theateus.
It could make sense for a number of reasons. For one it was the 1st dialogue that Latin Europe had access to until the Rennassance. It covers the metaphysical topics I'm most interested in.
And I'm listening to the dialogues on audio, so it might take me a while to get used to the format, so I thought a more Aristotle-type treatise, in which the dialectic is pushed into the background, might be a good way to ease me into plato.
Im on Plotinus now and its tough going
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I like physical books but I tend to opt for pirating copies online and loading them on an e-reader. I still prefer the 'weight' of actual books and the feel of turning the pages but I don't have the space or financial leeway to really seriously collect. Well mainly just space actually, since most used books are really cheap.
I do have a few slightly old ones but nothing from earlier than the 20th century.
First one is 'Japan's Military Masters', which was published in 1943. The author was an ambassador in Japan and was there in the several years before the war so he wrote about the military spirit of Japan - the undying loyalty of every common citizen for the emperor and the traditions they put in place to cement this loyalty, as well the military structure and some of the notable military figures in the Japanese army. It was an interesting read as something written during the time of war. I don't know if everything in it is accurate but given what happened in the next few years I think the guy was pretty on point in his conclusions.
Other one is a collection of several of Nietzsche's major writings (Thus Spoke Zarathustra, Beyond Good and Evil, The Genealogy of Morals, Ecce Homo, and The Birth of Tragedy). I can't find a publication date but someone wrote a note inside the cover saying "1950's edition" (also a lot of other notes written inside so I think it was a student's).
There are a couple of others I have but I think they're also all from the 1950's or later - some biographies on Mao, Hitler, and Mussolini, two volumes of something called "Japan's Imperial Conspiracy", and a book on microbiology.
I don't think there are any good used bookstores by me unfortunately. All the above were things I bought from stores I found while traveling to other states.
Do you buy online or do you have good stores near you?>>49314
You'd be fine starting with Theateus I think, especially if you're already working through Plotinus. The recommendations to start with Euthypro and the others were mainly for people who weren't used to reading philosophy (although they do certainly contain some important ideas, but they don't go too deep into the theory of forms or epistemology, outside of a few short sections). Only thing you might want to read up on is Heraclitus's philosophy and maybe some of Protagoras's, as Plato really works off of and criticizes these 2 throughout the dialogue. But even those aren't absolutely necessary as he sums them up well enough within the dialogue itself.
Reading backwards would definitely be interesting. I'm not too familiar with the chronology of Plato's works but I think a lot of the later ones were criticizing his earlier theories (like Parmenides) so that might trip you up a little.
Plotinus is also one of the philosophers I'm most interested in right now. I'm planning on starting to read him after I finish all of Plato and a few of Aristotle's major works.