No.48400
why didnt you wait for ryzen 3
No.48401
>no backplate
dont tell me youre using a stock cooler bro
No.48403
>>48399I have a similar build but I'm using the b450-i board
Pretty comfy having a smol pc if you travel, I take it on the plane as my carry-on.
But like
>>48400 said, you should've waited bro my next pc will be ryzen 3 and this lil guy will turn into a media center
Oh yeah if you happen to use linux, the wifi driver for these boards (rtl2288be iirc) are in staging, so depending on your distro you may have to enable that and recompile the kernel
No.48404
It was always a pain in the ass to me when I had to build a PC. Every single build there was always some part that was shipped bad and needed to be sent back or replaced even when I only bought new parts from well respected dealers.
I mean for fuck sake, I had to send back a case once because it was bent at the joints due to shipping damage. Had shitty PSU, CPUs, Mobo, GPUs, HHDs. Only thing I have yet to have shipped fucked up before is new ram sticks. Why the fuck is this acceptable is beyond me.
I now use a laptop/prebuilt as my computer and have had almost no troubles. My next computer will be a prebuild or gaming laptop too. Fuck all the shipping drama and bad parts.
No.48405
>>48404Go to a store to buy parts?
No.48406
>>48405I don't know where you live but that hasn't been a realistic option in years. Besides, with the mark-up they charge you are usually better off buying prebuilt by the time you are done. At least that is how it was 15 years ago.
I just checked google maps. Get this, the nearest place to buy physical parts on site is 86.7 miles away. LOL
No.48415
>>48406Exact opposite situation for me, my countries new import taxes on goods essentially nullifies any savings to be had from online parts (unless second hand).
If you're American don't you guys have micro center? I'd kill to have a computer store that large here
No.48416
>>48415>If you're American don't you guys have micro center?Hahahahahahahahahahaha
I haven't seen one of those in a decade. They are down to 25 locations nation wide (and that number is getting smaller every few years).
No.48480
>>48400My old PC blew up and took all the components with it, I had to start with scratch, so I bought an x470 mother board with the hope that I can pick up a ryzen 3 in a year or two if this one starts to hold me back.
>>48401Running at 4.0ghz and 78c in Prime95 with the stock cooler, doesn't seem to be a big issue.
No.48482
>>48416Also, you might be amazed to hear this but some time in the last year Best Buy has started stocking high end computer components and they price match with newegg. I went in there the other day and they were selling 9900k's and 2080's at actually competitive prices.
No.48483
Anyone here who runs Windows 7 on Ryzen and can share their experiences?
I want to upgrade my PC after 7 years of using the same build (except PSU replacement and some storage additions) but Ryzen doesn't support Windows 7, and I don't really want to move up to 10. I know it's technically possible to run on 7 after looking it up online, but I wasn't sure if there were any issues people had run into I should be aware of.
No.48498
>>48483Still running windows 7 on my desktop.
I tried installing windows 7 on my laptop, but the laptop is designed to only be compatible with windows 10.
No.48502
Running windows 7, the only complain I have is that it has no support for individual monitor scaling. So if you have a 4k monitor, then you can only use scaling that affects both monitors.
It's kind of shocks me sometimes when people say that win 7 is old, for me it was and is like a brand new OS, weird.
No.48503
>>48496I'm not moving on, I already have to deal with 10 at work and don't like it. And I don't feel like dealing with Wine fuckery on Linux, already experimented with it on my laptop running Fedora briefly.
Anyways I looked it up again and it seems like the issue has to do with necessary USB drivers not being present, so you can't use a USB keyboard to get past installation. But there's a way to inject them into the install image (plus a few other workarounds like using a PS/2 keyboard) so I'll probably just do that.
No.48517
>>48483i've been using it for months completely fine.
had to do some tweaks with usb drivers before installing, though.
No.50967
I have been saving up some money for sometime and would like to build my own pc too. Can anyone give me a rundown of what specs are the best. I am gonna be using it to play old games mostly, maybe modern games too. I think I will go with AMD this time but not sure what specs will I need, can anyone give me a rundown of what specs would be best suitable for me? I have a budget of $600.
No.50988
I'm also running win7. Really hate win10 if my current desktop breaks I'll either buy old parts that can run 7 or complete the full transition to linux, currently I only use it on a laptop.
No.53016
>>53008
Personally I still go for intel, but AMD keeps putting up a damn good fight, giving them great competition so they don't stagnate.
No.53022
nice what are you planning to do with it play videogames? any game in mind you were holding up because your previous pcs were not good enough?
>wait for ryzen 3
my computer is 7 years old (gpu 3) and has no problem running modern software or games its highly unlikely you'll notice a difference
if you are poor in 10 years and fps drop to 30 in games you can increase the ram and swap the cpu/gpu for the best the motherboard can hold
No.53035
>>48399Is the RX 590 a 4 or 8 gb card? I'd say you're good for a nice long while. I put together a budget build to replace my pre-built toaster and it runs smooth as butter. AMD is great.
No.53935
installed a closed liquid loop cooler from Evga with 360 radiator
and holy shit, it's loud as a motherfucker.
Should have gone straight for the EK watercooling parts, it's not as intimidating as I thought. Fuck evga and their shitty clc coolers
No.53936
>>53933>taking a pic of your own footNow I don't know why but I fucking hate people who don't pay attention to that and end up taking pictures of their own damn ugly feet when trying to take a picture of something else. Fucking hate it for some reason, I'm really holding myself here not to tell this guy
TO GO FUCK HIMSELF TAKE YOU DAMN FEET OUT OF THE FUCKING PICTURE YOU DAMN FUCKING MORON. It's a irracional anger but I can't get rid of it. I'll have to hide this thread now.
No.53939
>>53933>Still don't know what to do with all that processing power as I barely play any games these days. Any suggestions?edit video or anything else that requires rendering.
No.53942
>>53933you could mine cryptocurrency. That ryzen would be good for monero
No.53943
>>53942how do I set it up for mining?
hmm, or the better question would be…let me rephrase it, what hardware you need to constantly get at least a 100$ a month?
I believe a 10x more expensive hardware, right?
No.53944
>>53943It won't be highly profitable. It depends heavily on your electricity costs. I don't know about specifics.
You can do it with software like
https://github.com/xmrig/xmrigMore info:
https://getmonero.org/get-started/mining/Chat group if you wanted to ask people for help:
https://t.me/xmrmine No.53948
>>53933Did you have to update bios?
I've never done it and most likely gonna fuck up, so in case of upgrade will stick to 2XXX series.
How does that even work?
If a processor can't run on a motherbord, is it gonna POST without one? Or there's just some limits for the processor but it runs ok?
I guess you will also need another PC to download BIOS and make a flash drive.
No.53954
>>53948b450 and x470 can also run ryzen 3xxx cpus, some are updated out of the box so you don't have to worry about compatibility, and there are retailers who can update them for you.
No.53955
>>53954well the only retailer i have here has a note "need to upgrade bios for 3xxx" on every b450 mb description
and b550 are too fucking expensive
No.53981
>>53942>>53944>>53939electricity is around 30ct per KWH in NigGermania. So I guess crypto mining is not an option.
Guess I'll have to learn some creative skill that requires rendering or compiling of some kind
(no, I'm not installing Gentoo)
No.54165
this should be called pc assembly.
every time i read about "building a pc" i think of exotic architectures like the setun trinary or knuth's quater imaginary.
No.54170
Assembled a pc for myself finally today, it brings me so much joy. I used to wait for visual studio to start up like 3-4 minutes on my previous crappy pc, now it's almost instantaneous. And no laggs with freezes in games.
It sucks that there so much marketing gimmicks for gaming monitors though. Some one them go as far as blatantly scam you and straight up lying to customers in specs.
For fucks sake I just want a high refresh rate with gsync.
At least nvidia official site has a list of monitors that shows which one supports what.
No.54332
>>54331easiest to delete those files, otherwise you'll have to make different partitions for the linux to boot in
No.54352
>>54351Youve got win7 so thats all that matters, good job
No.54357
I've been thinking of building a new PC for a few months now.
I plan on using Ryzen 5 2600 (no overclocking) it's pretty close to 5 3600 in terms of specs but costs half its price where I live and is going to have an easier time with Windows 7, hopefully. (The price will probably drop further once Zen 3 hits the shelves, not but I'm not sure if I'm really willing to wait and who knows what's the economy going to be like by the end of 2020).
Still unsure about the motherboard. Having more room for future upgrades would be nice, even though I won't be touching my PC for the next 4 or so years once I'm done. Whether I should choose mATX or ATX is also a big question. I've never built mATX builds before, I suppose building a smaller PC could be fun and I'll be saving myself some money, but shittier VRM and cooling plus less ports overall are a big concern. For the standard ATX I have my sights on Gigabyte B450 Aorus Elite, and in case I decide to roll with mATX I'll probably take Gigabyte B450M DS3H.
RAM: 16 Gb.
When it comes to choosing a video card, I kind of want to buy GTX 1660, but I wonder if it's a good choice for me personally. I'm not a gamer, I don't follow the new releases, I care little about graphics, and I don't do art professionally. It's basically an expensive nice to have which I won't be using to its full potential, most of the time, at least. I could settle for a worse graphics card, but the worse options are only barely cheaper, so I might as well go all out.
Frankly speaking I feel kind of bad spending all the money I've got on a new, essentially gaming oriented PC, considering that my current build does its workstation side of things more or less alright and the games I play aren't usually demanding, and if they are, I can tweak the settings and use configs to make them run smoother.
No.54359
>>54357If you plan to use 2 graphics card or just a lot of PCI-E devices, then check how many PCIE lanes processor can support. I did that mistake and now stuck with i9 9900k, when could have gone with i9 10th gen X-series, which is slightly more expensive by a small margin.
No.54362
>>54357get rx580/590 gpu instead
No.54363
>>53948you need a 2x processor when you update the bios
I recently updated it to the newest version
you just have to put the zip in a fat formatted USB stick and let the software do the rest for you. No need to be scared
I think you can also directly connect to the internet with the uefi and do the update this way.
No.54364
>>53954Also mine was already updated to the version that supports ryzen 3000 when I bought it
No.54600
Finally assembled my first gaming PC with i9 9900k and 2080 ti
and, well, it still lags sometimes in Red Dead Redemption 2, maybe not really a lag, but fps drops sometimes to low 40s
It's on all ultra, but it's not even 4k, but regular 1920x1080
Maybe it's just the game is unoptimized mess?
Maybe I should put a custom waterblock on graphics card, will it get more frames per second then?
No.54612
>>54600No, it is a common optimization issue and not your computer.
No.54614
>>54600Are you running with RTX on? that typically smashes performance for a disputable visual upgrade. Nevertheless a 2080 Ti should be able to run anything current and near future on ultra buttery smoothly. Rockstar has been known to optimize games well in terms of things like portalflow and distant object imposters so I doubt it's on their end.
When do the dips happen? If it's during high particle events like smoke or snow, check for a bios update to get the most out of your CPU
No.55183
>>48399lol
I just noticed you have the same mb as me
still don't know if it was worth it paying that much for a board
If I went with a normal form factor , it would've all gotten cheaper propably
No.55185
>>48517But how do you get this thing running even? Intel has no chipset drivers for Win7 anymore on recent motherboards.
Won't you get like unstable systems crashing and stuff like that?
I downloaded this new metro game and I doubt my current machine can run this well.
And since my computer is old, I might buy a new one that will last for another 10 years.
But then I would need to use W10 which I don't want to. Or loonix which cannot run games well. So what is the point of building a new pc if I cannot run W7, have only 1 game that interest me and nothing else. I mean, I could play it on medium or low settings if necessary.
>>48399I always enjoyed tinkering with the pc more than playing/running it afterwards
can modern games even make use of those new hardware even? they look so powerful.
We have 8core cpus now and gpus have 8gb or vram.
No.55193
>>55185>Or loonix which cannot run games wellwrong. you can run almost any game with wine compability layer. If you are using steam you don't even have to configure anything. It is built into steam
No.55196
>>55193>you can run almost any game with wine compability layer.In theory. In practice that is a fucking lie.
No.55197
>>55196Can confirm. Specially older games, rpgmaker games, emulation, everything out of the big studio titles things get bumpy and broken pretty damn fast. We have big enough drives these days to have Windows installed for gaming, it's not a big deal.
No.55204
>>55193world's biggest lie, right next to "you can be anything when you grow up"
No.56279
>2 or 3 ryzen builds and a 9th gen intel build just months before new line of GPUs and CPUs was already revealed
why? were you wizards on literal toasters?
No.56280
>>56279I would love to get a 5900x but that shit is impossible to find.
No.56281
>>56278apparently you could also with no problem can use an external radiator, like this one.
But I don't understand how would you power the fans on it. With an expensive fan controller with sensors and a shitton of spliters? there's like 9 fans on that thing. I'm afraid of cable clutter
No.57294
Took me like a year to save up and buy all parts and wait for them to arrive, but finally assembled a gaming pc. Did a custom loop with "ZMT" rubber tubing and two PE 360mm radiators from EK
not really sure how well it is built and how long it will last, but so far the graphics card was at 54c and never got past 56c after like an hour of gaming. Also gained a couple of frames per second where it would struggle otherwise on stock cooler. So I guess it was worth it. But honestly not even sure now if it was worth all the hassle or not
It's i9 9900k paired with asus strix 2080 ti
No.57297
>>57294So what are you playing in it wizzie?
No.57390
I am planning to buy a new pc. Not looking for anything pricey or fancy, just a bit of power to handle modern games and editors like photoshop.
Do you think something like
Intel E5-2630
RX 570 4GB
16GB
Would be enough to achieve that goal?
No.57391
>>57390My current pc is
Athlon x740
Gtx 650 (not ti)
12 gb
No.57396
>>57390get a mid range 10th gen intel and you should be set for next 5 years with only upgrading gpu after a year or two, a xeon with low clock speeds would bottleneck a 570
No.57397
>>57390Yes that setup should be fine.
No.57399
is there a website or something that i can learn what parts are compatible and stuff. like if i want to change my gpu, how the hell do i find out what will work
No.57400
>>57399GPUs are the most standard. A GTX3060ti will fit in the same PCIE slot a 15 year old AMD card would. New GPUs require more power though so your power supply will need the right 6-pin outputs and watt rating, but if it's missing the 6-pin you can get eSATA or MOLEX to 6-pin converters for a buck. just make sure the card's physical dimensions will fit inside your case
What motherboard do you have
No.57401
>>57400so is everything more or less based around the motherboard? i have acer aspire gx-785 motherboard and amd rx 480 graphics card
No.57402
>>57401PC building is a scam in general, A year ago from fx8350 that I had for multi years… I updated to i7 7700k 16gb ddr4 3200 Asus rog aurora mb. Overclocked to 5ghz. Still the gtx 1070 and to be honest I wasted $1000….. I see no performance increase. Actually extracting large zip files are slower. Startup times are slower certain multitasking is just overall slower. A gaming PC from 2013 with a modern gpu that cost me like $300 performed about the same as $1000 one.
No.57403
>>57401The mother board is more or less the skeleton of the build. It determines which CPU, PCI, RAM, and storage options you have. Modern power supplies rarely deviate from conventional form factors and cases are all standardized internally and downwards-compatable with motherboarrds smaller than what the case was designed for. Storage form factor is still the same but some cases might not accomodate more than two drives. Some motherboards have m.2 storage support.
>acer aspire gx-785 motherboard and amd rx 480 graphics cardBoth use common PCIE so you would be good to drop anything in there, AMD or Nvidia. The 480 takes either 1 or 2 6-pin connecters depending on exactly who made it and the power supply here has 2. If your PC is this prebuilt one in the picture, you should have no problem upgrading except for that black plastic thing in front of the GPU. Might have to remove it . There's ample space otherwise.
>>57402There are a lot of factors for why your system may have been performing poorer. Extracting zip files has nothing to do with the GPU and is easily bottlenecked by problems ranging from disk fragmentation to the zip software being limited in code to only use so much processing power to do its thing.
No.57404
>>57403nope dude I rebuilt my old fx8350 build and it still performs insanely well for a fraction of the price, now that games all support up to 4-8 cores enabled instead of just single/dual core performance like the old days, coupled with the mid-tier tech that's in consoles (basically a budget ryzen and 1060 for current gen)
modern games on low settings all look like pixelated garbage, then there's no almost difference between medium/high settings, then ultra is all just light effects and shadows with a shitload of VRAM usage
modern game devs all know this and use it to their advantange, all popular games coming out can be played on high/ultra settings at 1080p/60fps on 2015s hardware
No.57407
>>57403that is indeed the prebuilt i bought. it was $700 on a black friday sale on newegg in 2017. i have no problems but my gpu temps are really high if i try to play modern games. the gpu fan also doesnt work on its own. i must manually adjust my fan speed and check temps periodically as i play games which is weird but im used to it now
i will look for graphics cards that are significantly better, it would be cool to get one used for a fraction of the cost. i remember seeing variations of refurbished gtx 1070 stuff on ebay. are used gpus worthwhile or are they too worn out?
No.57540
>>57411Since the board has moved, I thought I'd bump this question.
No.57542
Is it true all the GPUs have been bought up by bitcoin?
No.57561
>>57542i recently did a build for a media server; torrenting, movie/tv watching, and emulation (dolphin emulator and lower level stuff). was planning to buy a low level gpu but the prices were hugely marked up everywhere so i bought a ryzen 5 apu with vega 11 graphics instead.
yeah, asshole bitcoin miner faggots are driving up gpu prices a lot. fuck all of them
No.57565
I still use GTX 660 from like 8 years ago.
No.57572
>>57411Benchmarks probably, since they take into consideration each of those factors. There are different benchmarks that depend more on certain elements, like number of cores or clock speed, so you have to choose the benchmark that fit the use case. For videogames they often just play the game as normal and determine the fps difference(keeping other variables like the gpu static).
No.57573
>>57542It is more of a supply side issue with components and base materials but the miners aren't helping matters at all.
So they are a factor but they are overblown as the main cause.
No.58077
>>58069>I don't think there is a supply issue. >The prices however is another story.You do understand how price works right?
No.58078
>>58077tell me how then.
people are willing to pay more for product - prices raise. board partners raise price - retailers raise it even more. but that doesn't really indicate the shortages or the deficit of product.
the prices are inflated. It's not a supply issue as I see it.
No.58079
>>58078Price is at a fundamental level is dictated by supply and demand.
The ONLY reason why there are cards on the shelves is because the prices were raised because supplies of the base components are indeed having global shortages.
Do you know what happens when supplies are low and the price isn't allowed to be raised to compensate? Such as what happens govenments institute "anti-price gouging laws".
What happens is total supply outages because supply can't meet demand at that price.
The price being raised regulates demand to those willing and able to pay that higher price thus allowing for the product to be available.
Your welcome for the free econ-101 class.
Also
https://www.howtogeek.com/726236/why-is-it-so-hard-to-buy-a-graphics-card-in-2021/https://www.pcworld.com/article/3614866/nvidia-expects-crippling-gpu-shortages-to-continue-throughout-2021.htmlhttps://www.bbc.com/news/technology-55755820https://www.techspot.com/article/2238-cpu-gpu-pricing-2021-update/as evidence of shortages existing.
No.58081
>>58080I remember you from the cryto thread.
Well, at least you can use it for other stuff while hoping for another bubble to rise.
No.58082
>>58080>ryzen 7 3700xWatch out, that will bottleneck anything beyond a RTX2060 by about 5-15% depending on the process. Intel may be con artists but GPUs still get more out of Intel's processors.
No.58088
>>58082if true, fortunately at this point in time i have zero desire to spend more money on a new graphics card
No.58287
a while back i ordered 3 'refurbished' 5tb mybook external hdds from western digital's ebay store. it was priced at $15/tb including shipping so i decided it was an alright deal, however it turns out they oversold. since ive been waiting a while for stuff they dont even have inventory of, they told me
>To resolve this issue, we are going to ship you a WD 6TB New My Book Hard Drive, at no extra cost to you, because of our mistake.
really cool. that makes it $10.70/tb now
No.58289
>>58287That is cool of them doing that, glad to hear it wiz!
No.59373
I want a small form factor PC that still can play games (nothing major, Half-Life 2 era games are enough for me). I was thinking about Intel NUC Canyon, is there anything better?
I don't trust Steam Deck to be decent too much.
No.59374
>>59373Steam deck will be hilariously underpowered. Steam’s hardware before was, and now they’re trying to make a tablet, which tend to have shit power in the first place. Do you want it small to save space or for portability? Cause a small desktop will give you more power than a large laptop.
No.59375
>>59374Portability, I work on ships and generally have a fair bit of problems with Windows and shit connection so I've moved to a Samsung tablet, but miss my Steam library. I'd connect the small PC and use the tablet as a screen.
No.59377
>>59375Cool to see another ship worker here. Corsair has some small form factor PCs but they tend to be expensive. Though they might also just have some slim cases you can buy and then outfit it yourself.
No.59378
>>59377I'll look into building one myself at home, then, thanks.
No.60436
>>48495I'm using an i7-950 from 2010 and…
I replaced the GPU with a 1070ti and it plays everything including VR fine
What is going on with modern CPUs? Have we been stalled for a decade?
No.60437
>>60436most of the advancements in gaming is just more computationally expensive 3d models and bigger textures and higher resolutions and frame rates. those dont realy need cpu, just a good gpu
No.60438
>>60436AMD CPUs have gravitated to offloading work from the (compatible) GPU. The old "Ryzen can play games without a GPU!" marketing thing that never really took off. Problem is no dev cares about compatibility anymore so it just adds another layer of settings to tweak before getting a game going. Even with a "compatible" GPU it still does screwy stuff like messing with audio, screen capture, and multiple displays. A high-end Athlon or Phenom series from 2010 performs better than many equally priced Ryzen series.
Intel CPUs have been slowly getting faster and they're typically used by game devs as benchmarks, but it seems Intel is more focused on productive software than gaming. Decoding high-bitrate raw video, proprietary encodings, and high quality audio is their goal right now. Combining a Core i7 with a newer Quadro will let you rent out your PC as a renderer for 3DCG tasks. But my god the price and the constant change of sockets.
No.60500
>>60438it's not even the price of their intel processors, it's the mainboards with their new sockets. I've never seen such high prices just for mainboards, and they're even getting higher with each new socket
No.60502
Where do you guys get hard drives for cheap? I've been looking at the used market, but people want new prices for used drives. I remember someone posting a link to some refurbished HGST 4TB drives for like $50 5-6 years ago, but I didn't have any money then. I did manage to find a pc at a thrift store with a 2TB drive for $12, which was pretty cool, though.
No.60513
>>60502on ebay, ive picked up a few hard drives that were incorrectly listed as 1tb but had pictures of 10tb drives, and they actually ended up being 10tb. also some refurbished hard drives from western digital's ebay store, i bought a few 6tb drives but they all came as 9tb drives which meant they were bought for like $8/TB which is actually great. those are purely a result of the seller making some kind of mistake but set up alerts and just watch for stuff you can get lucky as well, people often list things way below the going price when getting rid of things
No.60529
>>60500This is exactly why I didn't build a desktop and instead just bought a laptop. If they change the socket is your computer really upgradeable? You have to buy a whole new computer and just recycle your old parts. It's not even that much cheaper than just buying a new laptop and selling your old one. Heck it may even be more expensive.
No.60530
>>60500>>60529idk what you guys are buying but i've never paid more than $100 for my gaming computer motherboard. my mining rig motherboard was $200 used however, but there's no reason a gamer ever needs anything like that