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 No.50386[Last 50 Posts]

I didn't notice the last one is on auto-sage.

Finally finished Thus Spoke Zarathustra. Took me a year I think to get to end of it, this isn't the kind of book you can read normally, I had to stop to take breaks, sometimes I put it down for months. It isn't about comprehension, I understood what Nietzsche was saying in most cases. It is the lyrical form that annoyed me, lots of poems and songs in this one.
As for what I read: I agree and disagree. There are things which he hit spot on, like pity being harmful and focusing on this life on Earth instead of nonsensical tales about after lives. But the idea of eternal recurrence is just plain idiotic, I think it stems from Christianity still or other oriental religions, death is the end of it and that's all - no matter how you try to name it: Heaven, reincarnation or eternal recurrence it is just a pathetic hope that death isn't final. Actually, Nietzsche's thought process reminds me of Christianity in many ways, ironically: like praising suffering, not being content with hedonism, the idea that life is eternal, the Overman basically just replacing God etc.etc. Seems like a twisted and "negative form" of Christianity. Well, that is just my own two cents. I'm no expert on philosophy.

 No.50388

"hope that death isn't final"

To me, the idea there is something after death is a lot more horrifing.
Going from one hellish existence to another with no hope of ever being free.

 No.50390

A philosophy professor once told me that he thought Nietzsche was a mere literary figure and the fact that he is even CONSIDERED a philosopher is off-putting.

 No.50391

>>50387
You are right, they are not theories:
Definition of theory
1 : a plausible or scientifically acceptable general principle or body of principles offered to explain phenomena
And what do you mean by "you people"?

 No.50395

>>50390
I think this may be accurate. I had a look at Harold Bloom's list of the greatest literature of the western canon when he died the other day and Nietzsche was one of the few philosophers he included in it. Personally I get quite annoyed by the poetical and dialogue form of writing when applied to philosophy, it just seems to add a wholly unnecessary element in the form of characters and storylines that needlessly increase the length of the work and often obscures the meaning of the text behind tiring metaphors.

 No.50404

>>50390
>>50395
Well, I'd say he is both a poet and a philosopher. Currently reading Beyond Good and Evil and it is much more tolerable - better - than Zarathustra. He can write like a sensible philosopher if he isn't trying to impress people with his literature and poetic skills.
>Personally I get quite annoyed by the poetical and dialogue form of writing when applied to philosophy, it just seems to add a wholly unnecessary element in the form of characters and storylines that needlessly increase the length of the work and often obscures the meaning of the text behind tiring metaphors.
Same here. If I wanted to read poetry then I would read poems, hymns, songs, etc.

 No.50405

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I just bought these two books and started reading the one on the left. It's a great book informing the reader about the Soviet Union (its geography, history and peoples) and its economic stuff including industry, farming, transport and science.

I haven't started reading the other one yet.

 No.50406

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I haven't felt this emotionally connected to a book since Infinite Jest. It's more than that, though; It's like reading someone's bible-length diary. There's almost zero sense of pacing because you're lost in the minutiae of a life. It's really something else.

 No.50407

>>50406
Where's the pdf link

 No.50408

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>>50395
>when he died the other day

Fuck, I didn't even realize Bloom died until seeing this post. Made me do a double take.

 No.50411

>>50407
EPUB is better.

 No.50417

>>50406
I enjoyed the one I read, which was I think part four (covering his entire 20s, iirc). Love how quaint life seems in Norway in that era. Everything seems so laid back, and there's no real stressing about unemployment, ethnic tension, crime, social media etc.

 No.50422

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I finished pic related the other day, an interesting analysis on the transformation of the penal system from the violent public executions and torture to the more modern one based on prisons and reformation. Had a lot of interesting historical examples, like specific executions or institutions, in addition to being a very poignant analysis. I was also fascinated by the idea of the anticipation he brought up often and analyzed, an idea from Bentham.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panopticon

 No.50423

>>50422
>anticipation

panopticon*
no idea how I made that typo

 No.50424

>>50386
You did not understand the idea of eternal recurrence completely. It is not to say that there is any sort of afterlife that occurs over and over once we die, it is that we should live as though there is one

 No.50438

>>50424
I understood it, I think. It is basically reincarnation but things always reincarnate in the same way. We live our lives over and over again.
>it is that we should live as though there is one
What do you base this on? From what I've gathered, Nietzsche really believed in eternal recurrence literally. He believed that the universe collapses and rebuilds itself the same way again and again.

 No.50448

>>50390
>>50395
This.
There are -parts- of Beyond Good and Evil and the Geneology of Morals that present cogent, well-organized ideas, but it seems like most of Nietzsche's material is comprised of throwaway statements that I don't care for.

I specifically remember a part of Beyond Good and Evil where Nietzsche criticizes English philosophy, including Darwin and Mill, for being too thorough and rigorous. Somehow, Nietzsche thought that attention to detail was a sign of stupidity. This could explain why Nietzsche's own writing is a little bit sloppy by comparison. I'd prefer English philosophy any day.

 No.50459

>>50448
yeah I read it many years ago and dont remember much. But that sounds like an early example of analytical vs continental style differences.

Ironically JS Mill labeled the continental style as "analytical" and the English style as empirical. Logic and analysis of ideas without facts seemed more the European thing. It was only with Russell later on that logic, math an analysis became a key part of English philosophy as well, even the name-giver to analytic philosophy.

 No.50478

>>50422
Interesting that he wrote this in 1975. The world wide web has made the "panopticisation" of society so much worse. I'll have to get around to reading this one at some point.

 No.50480

>>50448
>but it seems like most of Nietzsche's material is comprised of throwaway statements that I don't care for.
i'm not defending Nietzsche or anything, as i haven't really even read him, but aren't his aphorisms one of the things people like about him?

 No.50481

>>50422
Foucault's interpretation of the panopticon has stuck with me for a long time, and when I finally watched Psycho Pass, I was kinda miffed that Urobuchi completely misunderstood the concept and fumbled it in the script

 No.50488

>>50480
Yeah, I bet he'd do well on Twitter.

 No.50507

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i just finished the first part of notes from the house of the dead by dostoevsky
it was interesting but it's way too slow and he gives way too much details about literally everything from haircuts to the weather in russia.
Because of that even after reading a lot of pages i feel like i'm not making any progress at all
i'm gonna read some murakami before going back to part 2

 No.50508

I just bought a second-hand Amazon Kindle Paperwhite 2. It is really awesome and it uses something called e-ink and never tires out your eyes. I wish I had bought it years ago so that I could have saved lots of money over books and the physical books in my room wouldn't have occupied so much space.

If you think of buying Kindle, I definitely suggest buying a decent one.

 No.50509

>>50508
Also, I am going to start reading The Stone Gods by Jeanette Winterson. It will be my first attempt to read a postmodern novel. I will share the details as I read.

 No.50541

>>50406
I was reading that too and finished Book One a few days ago. The way he portrays the relationship he had with his father is probably one of the best I've seen in a book so far and really hits close to home at some parts.

 No.50569

>>50507
What’s that in the upper left corner?

 No.50576

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Finished

>Brave New World

Interesting dystopian novel. I liked it more than the others I've read (1984 and Fahrenheit 451) because it felt a little less 1-dimensional and more complex in themes - although I read the other 2 when I was much younger so maybe it just seems that way to me.
Got me thinking a lot about determinism (difference between the mostly 'random' conditioning - random in the sense that no one can really perfectly predict what will occur to someone as they go through life, although these experiences are still certainly conditioning them, vs. the precise and scientific conditioning in the book, where everyone is trained from birth to be placed in a certain caste and respond to certain things in certain ways), freedom ('freedom to be unhappy'), instant vs. delayed pleasure, a bunch of other stuff.

>Wild Swans

Autobiography of a succubus who grew up under Maoist China, following the lives of her, her mother, and her grandmother. I didn't know much about 20th century China so it was pretty interesting to me. Lot of dark shit though.

>Kwaidan

Small collection of Japanese ghost stories put together by a 19th century weaboo. All are fairly short and generally less scary than they are beautiful or sad, often involving tragedies between lovers or family. The guy was a pretty good writer which made it a pleasure to read. There's also some more philosophical stuff about insects he wrote at the end which was kind of neat.

 No.50607

>>50508
i use a Nexus 7 2013, have read a dozen or two books thanks to it. i used to buy them from alibris.com in the 2000s and still have a decent amount, i kind of regret not doing it cause i would have a much cooler collection if i bought the ones i read on the android tablet, but i don't have money

I like the ability to look up words and details in searhc engines on the same device, so i prefer a full android over the paperwhite despite the paperwhite being superior for eyes

 No.50617

>>50576
We were supposed to read all of those sci-fi novels in school, but I mostly didn't read 1984 and Farenheit 451 because they seemed dumb. Brave new world though interested me enough to at least read. Seem like much better social commentary although with the rise of authoritarianism recently I've been meaning to read the others.

 No.50618

>>50617
Haven't read 1984, but farenheit 451 is a good read.

 No.50627

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)

cool novel nearly a century old now

 No.50656

Is anyone here interested in creating a collection of actual physical books? Like a sort of private library. I've been collecting art and anime on my pc for years now but it feels much more statisfying to have a collection of physical objects instead of just data that can only be accessed through a screen.

 No.50657

>>50656
I amassed a little over 1k books from the time I was in highschool all the way to my late 20s. I even bough books I could get for free online, which were most of them. I actually regret doing it to be honest. I could've saved the money and read through other means. Many of the books I got are on public domain. I got them because of what you just mentioned. There's a satisfaction, even pleasure in looking at a nice wall of books. Eventually I got tired of having them and put most of them on ebay, sold about a 100 or so and the rest I just donated. Couldn't appreciate having all that stuff gathering dust on my room anymore, I wanted the free space and I wanted a dust free enviroment. In the end I must have read less than half of them to completion, way less, maybe 250, 300 tops.

I would say don't start buying physical books. I know you probably won't listen because my dad also told me to stop getting all the books and I didn't listened. There are better ways to storage information nowadays. Books are a hassle in big numbers.

 No.50664

Recently read "Voyage Around my Room" and "Nocturnal Expedition Around my Room" by Xavier De Maistre, both are perfect for hikkis, shutins, NEETs etc, filled with levity, wisdom, and proves that you don't need to leave your room to go on an interesting journey.

 No.50700

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I'm thinking of reading this book. I guess Russell basically argues the stupidity of marriage, love and other social constructs forced upon us.

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Finished reading Confessions.
The constant prostrating to God every few paragraphs was repetitive and annoying (though probably necessary for the time and fitting given the purpose of the book) but the discussions on desire, good, memory, time and eternity, and creation were all great. Lots of beautiful metaphors as well.

 No.50780

Have any of you read "The Conspiracy Against the Human Race" by Thomas Ligotti? Did you have trouble reading it? On nearly every page I had to use a dictionary on probably three to four words.

Is this a sign that my vocabulary is poor or do you feel the same way?

 No.50782

>>50780
He uses a lot of unnecessarily arcane words, so don't beat yourself up about not knowing them. I love the book, but I don't like his sometimes clunky, overwraught writing style. It really got in the way of the excellent content, especially the second and third time I read it.

 No.50784

>>50782
I think the word you're looking for is archaic.

 No.50798

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Finished reading Essays in Idleness and Hojoki.
The book is a combination of 2 works, one by Kamo no Chōmei, a monk who became a hermit and lived in a small hut for the rest of his life, and one by Yoshida Kenkō, also a Buddhist monk but not a recluse.
I went in expecting to relate with Chōmei's Hojoki, but actually found Kenkō's Essays in Idleness much more enjoyable. Covers a wide range of topics like Buddhist teachings, transience, aesthetics, and various anecdotes from history and personal experience. Many echo the style of the anecdotes in the Zhuangzi.

 No.50851

>>50569
idk man i wasn't there with them

 No.50908

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Currently reading this and there are some uncomfortable truths that are making it difficult to read. I. Thought it would be a meme book but it isn't.

 No.50913

>>50908
Worthless trash. Keep that rubbish to /b/.

 No.50930

>>50908
>uncomfortable truths
if Peterson's stuff were anything like as uncomfortable or truthful as it's made out to be, he wouldn't be enjoying the success he does.

 No.50949

>>50576
I wonder if Huxley intended this utopian society to be perceived as evil and worse than what we have or let it be seen just as a" different" society; not worse or better. I don't have an answer for that, although I'd rather live in brave New world than here or in 1984.
Brave new world is like machines from matrix. Humanity created a "monster" and that monster is a more efficient civilisation than it's creators so it taken over the world.

 No.50950

>>50930
You're underestimating the power of crabs and Trump supporters.

 No.50955

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissus_and_Goldmund

Going to be giving this a re-read as it's been a few years. I found it to be an enthralling novel, even if the protagonist is so much unlike me. That's part of the appeal though, in a sense, it's a window into a life of a seeker who is a man unlike me, but in literary artistic form with dignity, and not some "chronicles of a norman who travels and meets succubi and stuff" serious of videos or "coming of age" sex comedy road trip film, or some other crasser modern version of this sort of thing. I found it as rewarding as such a thing could be, and fascinating; I like Hesse's writing. I would generally recommend it to anybody here without many crab/warlock predilections. They would no doubt become quite frustrated with it.

 No.50961

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Finished reading The Technological Society.
It's a study on evolution and effect on society of what the author calls "technique". Despite the title of the book the focus isn't really on what we generally mean when we refer to "technology" - machines - but more on the procedures used to attain ends and the obsession with maximum efficiency.
He goes over way too much to even begin to do it justice in one post (even his investigation into the definition of technique takes up the better part of a chapter) but he raises a lot of good points - techniques being used to fix the problems originally created by other techniques, techniques intruding on leisure time (which, in technical society, becomes the only way a person can "truly" express themselves, since work is often mechanical, dull, and allows for little personal decision because technique essentially dictates the process), creation of a "mass man" through propaganda and advertising whose actions can easily be predicted and controlled, illusions of democracy, supposed ends that have no meaning (populating space).

Apparently Kaczynski was influenced by this book and Ellul in general. It's been a few years since I read his manifesto but I think this was better in every way since it's loaded with references to and arguments against other authors and thinkers and plenty of historical evidence.

 No.51005

>>50657
Of course, I am only interested in collecting books that I see myself actually reading and which have some readability so I don't just read it once and then never touch it again.
As for buying books that you can read online, this goes for nearly every book nowadays, I actually prefer reading physical copies of books over reading them on a screen. When I do the latter, it tends to just hurt my eyes a lot. And I'm also a bit of an old-fashioned person and just don't like the digitization of books, a physical copy of knowledge that I can hold in my own hands has more value to me than a piece of data.

 No.51007

>>51005
I was like you before but I agree with him now. I only buy used books for very cheap that are impossible to find in pdf epub or whatever. Can't afford to waste space, and I don't like the idea of leaving so much shit behind if something were to happen to me, or if I had to move.

 No.51081

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Finished reading Erewhon.
It's a novel about a fictional lost civilization that the narrator discovers when wandering inland on an unexplored island, where he works as a shepherd. The people of that civilization have various idiosyncrasies which are revealed as he interacts with the people and learns their history.

The events of the book itself weren't that interesting but the long descriptions of the culture and history were very impressive and often philosophically stimulating. Notable examples:

1. The people believe in punishing physical ailments with imprisonment and other severe punishments, while mental ones and moral deficiencies like crime are treated somewhat like remediable illnesses, with dedicated professionals called "straighteners" who reform people.

2. To support the above seemingly illogical beliefs, a mythology was created where, before birth, people are ethereal beings lacking deficiencies and are generally at peace. To be born into life, they have to sign a contract. Choosing birth is considered a great foolishness, and anyone who does so is subjected to long lectures on how asinine it is (because of having needs, and especially because the parents you're born to is largely subject to chance and so you might get stuck with incompetent ones).

3. Technology from the past two and half centuries or so was abolished. This decision came after a thinker wrote a treatise on the dangers technology would pose in the future if allowed to continue to progress. In it he essentially argues a sort of natural selection theory for machines and posits that, considering our origins from ancestors who were not conscious, it's not implausible that machines could also become conscious at some point in the future. He deals with various other details and counterarguments like reproduction to come to the conclusion that technology from the past several centuries must be abolished to prevent the subjection of mankind to slavery by machines.
Another thinker, the only one to respond to that argument, claims that technology only functions as appendages for humans (i.e. spades being extensions of a hand) and the only danger is that it might equalize the abilities of humans and make activities passionless.
The former thinker comes out on top, however, and the government decides on the destruction of recent technology, including things such as pocket watches.

4. The civilization went through a period of enforced vegetarianism after a theologian argued that, since it's wrong for man to kill his fellow man, it is also wrong for man to kill his fellow creatures. This led to laws forbidding meat consumption, except in cases where the animal died by natural causes. Unsurprisingly many people circumvented this in ridiculous ways, such as killing animals and claiming it was a suicide, or letting their dogs loose on them to avoid the blame for killing. Years later a philosopher argues that eating plants is also wrong because they are sentient (the sentience he argues seems to be based on "knowledge" rather than feeling; according to him a plant has innate knowledge of what it needs to do, i.e. growing towards sunlight, and so it can be considered sentient). This leads to everyone returning to eating meat since it's impossible to not sin in sustaining oneself.
The arguments here were kind of flimsy but the set of chapters was humorous.

5. The people believe in gods for human qualities and concepts like justice - somewhat similar to theories of Platonic forms but they assign gods to them and give them agency for punishing humans.

Considering this was published in 1872 I think it's impressive the author came up with some of these ideas, especially those regarding technology.

 No.51089

What are some must-read informative or critical books/articles/essays you would suggest?

 No.51095

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>>50507
so i finally finished reading kafka on the shore by haruki murakami and it was an amazing journey that i highly recommend
i can't really describe the events but it's like jojo's bizarre adventure but with a lot of cats

 No.51096

>>51089
a brief history of time and space by stephen hawking

 No.51097

>>51089
Can’t you be more specific?

 No.51098

>>51095

Cats huh?

In which case you should definitely enjoy Stephen King's "Sleepwalkers".

 No.51100

>>51096
I read it two years ago. Thank you.

>>51097
For example, all the books written in a kind of academic style. Also, they may include philosophical works (Nietzsche, Kierkegaard, Aristotle etc), articles (Unabomber Manifesto etc) and so on.

I don't think I'll read a literary work for a long while.

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Started re-reading Tales from the Perilous Realm by Tolkien. Nice four short and comfy reads, would be ideal book for a train commute or something. "Leaf By Niggle" stands out to me as something fellow wizards would also appreciate.

 No.51109


 No.51119

I wish more of Caraco's books were translated he was like nothing else

 No.51123

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Any other books people should avoid reading?

 No.51124

>>51123
Any self-help pretty much.

 No.51125

>>51123
A lot of these are good though. Anyone looking for a list of information to avoid is probably a close minded fool. Just read whatever you want without seeking the approval of others for it.

 No.51126

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>>51123
"Plebcore" just means that it's popular and accessible and hence, bad. Just because they're entry-tier, doesn't mean you should avoid them. Even an elitist that flaunts his taste in literature should still be familiar with these works.

Having said that, I think most fiction is just a waste of time. If you don't find a particular work compelling to read, then just don't. The point of fiction is the aesthetic appreciation and you don't get that by forcing yourself through it. Just read what you enjoy and/or helps you gain some useful knowledge, anything else is just normalfag social flaunting. It's just another identity to them, as if having a particular taste in literature makes you any more interesting than the rest of the apes.

 No.51127

>>51123
This list is a huge load of bullshit.

 No.51128

>>51126
I have seen some John Green podcasts or something, and he's awful, I can't imagine his books being any better.

 No.51129

>>51128
He writes books primarily for young adults. His books aren't awful but anyone outside the teenage demographic won't find them particularly compelling to read, especially if they don't care about common themes like love and relationships i.e. an unpopular guy obsessing over a pretty popular succubus. They're not my cup of tea, but I wouldn't judge someone that enjoyed them, I simply look for different things.

I can say that pretty much all of these books are excellent in some way, but your enjoyment and appreciation of the work depends heavily on what you find compelling and interesting. Yes, even 50 shades of gray, as it did manage to satisfy a certain market of succubi that are into that kinda thing. Perhaps you don't care much about flipping the bean or your fedora, but Fight club really resonates with your homoerotic ideas about masculinity or Rand scratches your narcissistic idealization of capitalism itch. Who am I to judge you wizzie?

 No.51130

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>>51123
>letting a 4chan meme list dictate your any of your feelings about written work

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Finished

>The Interpretation of Dreams

First thing I've read read from Freud and it was very fascinating. It's a fairly long in-depth analysis on dreams and their source which incorporates many of his own dreams and those of his past neurotic patients in investigating how dreams are formed. In addition to dreams it also gets into the subconscious and a proposed structure for the mind (subconscious, precociousness, conscious) and how certain repressed desires are manifested through dreams. Great read. In addition to being informative he was also a pretty good writer, at least judging from the translation, and I never felt bored despite the length and density of the text.

>Three Essays on the Theory of Sexuality

Read this after the above because I wanted to learn more about his thoughts. This was a series of short essays (less than a hundred pages) that dived deeper into how sexuality develops during childhood development (erogenous zones, latent period during childhood, etc.) and looks at supposed perversities like inversion (homosexuality) and examines their origins. Short but fairly informative.

>Civilization and Its Discontents

Last thing I'll be reading from Freud for now. This was an essay primarily focusing on the conflict between individual interests and civilization and culture. The observations in the first half or so are pretty obvious to most people (civilization holding power over the individual, individual having to suppress certain drives and being put into submission) but the latter half had interesting ideas relating to the sources of guilt, which he traced to a superego formed in part by the authority of civilization, and on the death drive, which he opposes to Eros (desire towards life and procreation) as a self-destructive instinct. Apparently he goes more into this in "Beyond the Pleasure Principle" so I might read that at some point in the future to learn more.

 No.51135

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>>51123
>harry potter is in the same column with lotr

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Finished

>Spinoza's Ethics


Philosophical treatise structured like a mathematical work that goes through a long series of propositions and proofs from an initial set of axioms in order to create a conception of god and an ethical system much different from religious ones of the time. Very dense in some parts (I and II in particular) but his concept of god is far more logical that anything I've seen before (although it's questionable whether his conception should even be called "god" anymore - apparently Schopenhauer had a similar criticism). Some of his later propositions on human emotions and the power of reason were more questionable but he still made interesting points on the superiority of striving for good (positive) rather than lambasting bad (negative, i.e. things likes chastity and humility which are not "positive" virtues but ones only arising from the suppression of emotions and condemnation of them in others as sins) and on eternity.

>Woodcutters


Old man sits at an artistic dinner party with past acquaintances and silently contemplates what a piece of shit everyone there but him is for over 100 pages.
Surprisingly it works, or at least it did for me. It's written as one big paragraph, similar to some of Beckett's works, but I found this much easier to read and more entertaining due to the biting cynicism of the narrator. Also the ending hit hard.

>Wittgenstein's Nephew


Short autobiographical work by the author of the above, detailing his friendship with a nephew of the philosopher, Ludwig Wittgenstein, who was mentally ill and constantly in and out of mental institutions. Funny at points but also sad because of how the guy was smart (the descriptions made him sound like an "otaku" of opera and music, very obsessed but also very knowledgeable and even brilliant), yet was fucked up by his illness and electroconvulsive therapy, and lived out his last years alone in a filthy apartment because all his friends (including the author) abandoned him.

 No.51220

>>50930
>>50950
Most complaints about his self-help tier work are that it should be obvious. But if anyone needs to be told what is obvious, it would be wizards. Your reactions are fitting.

 No.51260

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Has anyone here read The myth of Sisyphus? Is it any good?
I picked it up today after finishing another book. Being 10 pages in, it starts like typical stuck up philosophy (see: OP's pic) but it seems to start getting down to earth about where I left off. I'm curious about what his definition of absurd was, and hopefully the title metaphor will start making sense after I'm done.

 No.51262

>>51134
>>51219
How are you able to go through them so fast?

 No.51284

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Got through pic related recently. Just a compilation of short excerpts This was my first real exposure to existentialism, and I didn't really like it much. Maybe the compiler (Kaufmann) just has bad taste, or maybe it just isn't my speed. In the introduction he wrote Kaufmann actually claims that English and American philosophy is dull and frivolous compared to existentialism. Dull, sure, I get that. But frivolous? To me, it seems that the existential stuff doesn't seem to have much of a purpose at all. Plus, the anti-rationalism sentiment kind of ticks me off.

I ranked the authors, see attached. Bear in mind, its a pretty short books, so I didn't have much material to base this on. Maybe some of these authors just looked bad because of the particular excerpt that was chosen or the translation.

 No.51285

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>>51284
If you ever decide to revisit some of those thinkers please consider checking out this charming and well-written book by Julian Young:

What is the meaning of life? In today's secular, post-religious scientific world, this question has become a serious preoccupation. But it also has a long history: many major philosophers have thought deeply about it, as Julian Young so vividly illustrates in this thought-provoking second edition of The Death of God and the Meaning of Life.

Three new chapters explore Søren Kierkegaard’s attempts to preserve a Christian answer to the question of the meaning of life, Karl Marx's attempt to translate this answer into naturalistic and atheistic terms, and Sigmund Freud’s deep pessimism about the possibility of any version of such an answer. Part 1 presents an historical overview of philosophers from Plato to Marx who have believed in a meaning of life, either in some supposed ‘other’ world or in the future of this world. Part 2 assesses what happened when the traditional structures that give life meaning began to erode. With nothing to take their place, these structures gave way to the threat of nihilism, to the appearance that life is meaningless. Young looks at the responses to this threat in chapters on Nietzsche, Heidegger, Sartre, Camus, Foucault and Derrida.

Fully revised and updated throughout, this highly engaging exploration of fundamental issues will captivate anyone who’s ever asked themselves where life’s meaning (if there is one) really lies. It also makes a perfect historical introduction to philosophy, particularly to the continental tradition.

 No.51286

>>51284
Thanks for the recommendation. I might give it a try.

 No.51287

>>51284
wtf they are philosophers, not dumb authors

 No.51294

>>51284
Sartre is literally just watered down Heidegger (and Hegel) no idea how you could rank him so highly and Heidegger so low. Perhaps the poorly chosen excerpts had something to do with that, however.

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Finished

>Meditations


Short philosophical treatise looking into reason vs. the material and "proofs" of god. I didn't find his arguments very compelling although I wish I had read it before Spinoza since he seems to define a lot of the terms the latter uses more clearly.

>An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding


Interesting look into skepticism and empiricism that calls into question the relation between cause and effect and supposed human reason that he redefines as just custom. The earlier parts were good but later ones felt a little weak IMO and full of holes or just ambiguous, especially when he talks about supposedly disproving miracles. Still a more enjoyable and stimulating read than the above though. I mainly read it in preparation for getting into Kant but it was good in its own right.

>Capitalist Realism


A short book looking briefly into the attitude that capitalism is the only viable system and the effects on culture. Much of it is a tl;dr of other thinkers with examples from and analysis of movies thrown in but it was good for a light introduction and made many points similar to things I've thought about (subsumption of supposed activism and anti-capitalist sentiments into the system itself, pervasive mental illnesses and drug use attributed to the individual rather than looking at the structure of the system, corporate optimism bullshit and gradual takeover of private life by work and corporate loyalty, Kafkaesque bureaucracies).

>>51262
Besides Ethics and Interpretation of Dreams most of them were pretty short. The latter 2 by Freud were just essays under 100 pages each. Berhard's books were a little longer but easier to read so I finished them in just a few sittings.

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>>51324
>(subsumption of supposed activism and anti-capitalist sentiments into the system itself, pervasive mental illnesses and drug use attributed to the individual rather than looking at the structure of the system, corporate optimism bullshit and gradual takeover of private life by work and corporate loyalty, Kafkaesque bureaucracies).
i've just read pic related, it might interest you. fairly short, to the point and easy to find online
also sort of related, going postal by mark ames. as a non yank I didn't know there were so many shootings in american workplaces since the 80s… but I can understand why it isn't talked about much around here

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just finished reading 1984.
the book deserves all the praise it gets,so i don't really have anything new to add except that it solidified in me an idea that i always had:if you don't like the system don't try to change it because you can't and the results are not worth the effort,just embrace it while keeping your sanity and survive till you find a way to escape

 No.51364

>>51363
One of the most depressing endings I have ever read. I love it, but ended up sad for a week after.

 No.51367

>>51364
yeah same,in fact the only book i read that an had an ending as depressing is metamorphosis

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i started reading The Order of Things by foucault but i dropped it after the fifth chapter because i couldn't understand shit of what this faggot was talking about,and the things i did understand were basic stuff that everyone knows and are not worth writing about
i read it in french so nothing was lost in translation,it's just that i'm not ready for it

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>>51324
Looks like you may be interested in socialism. I'm an anarcho-communist myself and there is a lot of interesting socialist literature you would probably enjoy if you like anti-capitalist themes. If you go to the https://theanarchistlibrary.org/special/index there is a host of free books on socialism, as well as marxists.org and libcom, and many other sites. Those are just the most famous. I recommend https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-anarchist-faq-editorial-collective-an-anarchist-faq this to learn about the libertarian trend of socialism, which is in my view the only correct current, this https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/petr-kropotkin-the-conquest-of-bread a foundational text on libertarian communis political theory, https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michail-bakunin-what-is-authority which is more political philosophy on why the state and capital is illegitimate, https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/pierre-joseph-proudhon-what-is-property-an-inquiry-into-the-principle-of-right-and-of-governmen this attacking all the justifications for capitalism and property rights, and max stirner https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/max-stirner-the-ego-and-his-own who is an individualist anarchist (he is an anarchist before the name was coined four years before he wrote this book), and lastly https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-the-ecology-of-freedom.pdf murray and you might enjoy some anarcho-primitivist literature as well https://libcom.org/files/Against%20Civilization%20-%20John%20Zerzan.pdf . All of this is very academic and may be hard to follow without an educational background in philosophy, but you may be able to understand a lot of it and it should be enjoyable if you are an anti-capitalist. I thought everyone here was a fascist or a liberal but I suppose not seeing some of the books being read here.

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I feel like people here would like this. CReally good bits on the author living alone in the desert and going on adventures with buddies.
Edward Abbey's Desert Solitaire.

 No.51450

Anyone here would be interested in starting a wiz book club?

 No.51452

>>51450
No
Book thread is fine.

 No.51490

Finished reading The Turn Of The Screw by Henry James last night. I really enjoy ghost stories and horror in general and this is a big one it took forever to get in the right mood for. It's one of those psychological profiling type of stories where it's never quite clear if there are in fact ghosts or just a lady going crazy. You have a big, old house in an isolated property. You have two odd little kids, an old impressionable housekeeper and and a young inexperienced governess. Everything is told through the point of view of this governess, so we never know what's happening outside her perspective.

Usually I'm not fond of that type of mechanism for stories but Henry James is so good at describing people's reflections I had a lot of fun with it. Fairly short too, so it's not taxing at all. Now if you want my opinion over the matter if this is a ghost story or just a lady going crazy, I'm inclined to say it is a ghost story and the whole thing did happened.
Also, forgot to add this has one of the best prologues I've ever read, very interesting and sets you in the mood right the away.

I was reading reviews for this afterwards on goodreads and a lot of people seemed to have trouble with the wording and the long sentences. I didn't even notice how long the sentences were and I think it's because I actually read this along with an audiobook and the narrator is really fucking good in it. It really added to the whole experience. It's the first time I do this and I had so much fun I might do it for other books as well. I embedded in case anyone is interested. The actual text I downloaded from Gutenberg project.

 No.51502

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Does anyone have a pdf of the Welcome to the NHK Novel? The torrents on nyaa aren't being seeded.

 No.51504

>>51502
http://93.174.95.29/_ads/87FBC5AD926529369F7387A680411AB2
Took me like 10 seconds to find it. Try libgen and #bookz when looking for books.

 No.51505

>>51504
Thanks.

 No.51506

Do you prefer to read on paper or electronic formats? Electronic is cheaper (free if you download/torrent) but I prefer the sensation of paper books. On the other hand, buying everything can be really expensive and takes up space, so I'm torn on this.

 No.51507

>>51506
Don't purchase paper books.
I have over a decade experience of collecting, reading and sharing space with physical books and after carefully weighting pros and cons of going for the digital format, I can tell you, don't make the same mistake I've made.

You can read my full post about it here >>50657.

 No.51508

>>51005
I've heard that reading on a Kindle can be 100x better than a screen

 No.51509

>>51508
Yeah it doesn't tire my eyes out at all, even after all day reading. In fact due to the font being larger or average, it's even less tiring than reading on paper.

 No.51514

>>51507
I don't like reading paper books, cover to cover. But I've accumulated quite a collection just since 2016. But people like collecting stuff, be it toys or stamps or memoribilia or paintings. And I feel like that stuff you stare at it once, and you take it all in already. while a book has hundreds of pages of content.

So yeah I dont read it cover2cover, but if I'm going to own and collect anything, for me, books make the best possessions. And it just easier to skim at leisure than ebooks.

 No.51515

The main books I buy physical copies of are almost always ether some sort of informational reference material, or they are art books. 95% of book I read that aren't those two I read digitally. Though the past 6 or so months I really gotten into audio books too if that counts as digital.

The few exemptions is when I pick up a cheap campy book at the dollar store or something to keep me amused during a trip or storm when the power might go out. Usually I give it to someone or donate it after I finished it.

Also, the public libary is your friend if you like the physical feel and look of books. Let them store and maintain them for you.

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Finished

>Nicomachean Ethics


Had some interesting parts (defining happiness, looking at pleasure, defining different kinds of friendships). A lot of the stuff defining extremes and means of virtue was redundant. Will probably watch some supplementary lectures since it was pretty dense in parts.

>The System of Objects


A look at objects and signs, their relations and values, and consumption. Hard to sum up in a paragraph but it deals with various things such as the evolution of furniture layouts, the effects of advertising, treating products as a way of defining oneself despite the irony of many other people doing the exact same thing with those products, and other topics. Some of it needs to be taken with a grain of salt IMO and perhaps it's a little dated, but a lot of what he writes is still pretty applicable today.

>Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus


Came to this from reading Philosophical Investigations and Philosophical Grammar so it was interesting to see his earlier views. While a lot of it is contradicted by his later writings the way of viewing the world he puts forth is pretty fascinating and it makes some of his later views where he was criticizing what he wrote earlier clearer.

 No.51520

Just read my last story of 2019, Rats by M. R. James.

 No.51531

>>51502
Genuinely enjoyed (and laughed aloud) at this novel when I first read it aged 22 or so. Really simply but effective use of language, and great humour. Manages to capture the hiki mindset in a way that doesn't seem as though it's done so to squeeze bucks out of readers.

 No.51532

>>51518
Keep going, I value your posts.

 No.51533

>>51518
Any advice for how to properly understand the system of objects? I tried to read it 2 or so years ago but I found the style too abstruse, I'm interested in Baurdrillard but fear I'll never be able to get him

 No.51543

"A Beautiful Mind," Sylvia Nasar's biography of schizophrenic mathematician John Nash, was easily one of the best books I read in 2019. I strongly recommend it. Here is his wiki and a journal article that makes a case that Nash may also have had Asperger's. The YouTube video is a short interview with Nash's schizophrenic son. He also has a PhD in maths, but has lived nearly his entire adult life as a NEET. His parents were killed in a car crash in 2015.

>John Forbes Nash Jr. (June 13, 1928 – May 23, 2015) was an American mathematician who made fundamental contributions to game theory, differential geometry, and the study of partial differential equations. Nash's work has provided insight into the factors that govern chance and decision-making inside complex systems found in everyday life.

>In 1959, Nash began showing clear signs of mental illness, and spent several years at psychiatric hospitals being treated for paranoid schizophrenia. After 1970, his condition slowly improved, allowing him to return to academic work by the mid-1980s. His struggles with his illness and his recovery became the basis for Sylvia Nasar's biography, A Beautiful Mind, as well as a film of the same name starring Russell Crowe as Nash.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Forbes_Nash_Jr.
https://www.academia.edu/33099050/Did_the_Nobel_Prize_Winner_John_Nash_have_Asperger_s_syndrome_and_Schizophrenia

 No.51560

>>51533
If you don't understand anything he's talking about or the bigger picture I'd recommend reading up briefly on structuralism, semiotics, and theories of value. Baudrillard was basically applying them to everyday life and introducing sign value, which he argues has become just as or more important than use value. He also drops concepts from psychoanalysis a lot (castration anxiety in relation to pets, death drive in relation to people taking pleasure in machine breakdowns, etc.) so reading up on Freud might help as well. Veblen's idea of conspicuous consumption would also be useful to look into.

The point of the while first section of the book analyzing interior design was, IMO, his way of showing how the value of objects is no longer dependent as much on individual functions and values but on how they "mesh" together. The value can only be understood within the entire system of objects, as related to the "atmosphere" created by interior design. The second part where looks more at automobiles, model/series, etc. is essentially applying this to the larger picture.

Ironically some of his remarks in the conclusion are, in regards to this, the clearest in the entire book.

>Consumption is not a material practice, nor is it a phenomenology of 'affluence'. It is not defined by the nourishment we take in, nor by the clothes we clothe ourselves with, nor by the car we use, nor by the oral and visual matter of the images and messages we receive. It is defined, rather, by the organization of all these things into a signifying fabric: consumption is the virtual totality of all objects and messages ready-constituted as a more or less coherent discourse. If it has any meaning at all, consumption means an activity consisting of the systematic manipulation of signs.

>Traditional symbolic objects (tools, furniture, the house itself) were the mediators of a real relationship or a directly experienced situation, and their substance and form bore the clear imprint of the conscious or unconscious dynamic of that relationship. They were thus not arbitrary. Although they were bound by connotations - pregnant, freighted with connotations - they remained living objects on account of their inward and transitive orientation with respect to human actions, whether collective or individual. Such objects are not consumed. To become an object of consumption, an object must first become a sign. That is to say: it must become external, in a sense, to a relationship that it now merely signifies. It is thus arbitrary - and not inconsistent with that concrete relationship: it derives its consistency, and hence its meaning, from an abstract and systematic relationship to all other sign-objects. Only in this context can it be 'personalized', can it become part of a series, and so on; only thus can it be consumed, never in its materiality, but in its difference.

If you're just having trouble with understanding individual sentences/paragraphs due to his style of writing I guess I'd recommend taking it slower and maybe even rereading multiple times in order to get used to it. I came to this after reading Simulacra and Simulation and one of Foucault's books so I guess it wasn't as difficult for me.

 No.51564

Is anyone here into hermeticism ?
I just found out about this book and I can't find it anywhere ( tried libgen and irc )
https://www.amazon.com/Hermetica-Hermeticum-Asclepius-Translation-Introduction/dp/0521425433/ref=sr_1_2?keywords=hermetica&qid=1578154305&sr=8-2

Does anyone have format of this that I can put on my shitty calibre ?

 No.51567

>>51543
t-thanks for the schizophrenia Dad.

 No.51570

>>51564
Search "copenhaver Hermetica" on b-ok.cc, there's a .pdf of it on there.

 No.51571

>>50386
Anybody here read Paradise Lost?

 No.51586

>>51570
Thanks friend. Do you know if this would be easy to OCR ?
I wanna read it on a kindle I found.

 No.51588

>>51586
No idea, I didn't download the file and OCRing a file of that size, assuming it's possible, will take quite some time with software I don't have. Sorry I'm not of much help.

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Finished the first book of The Three Body problem trilogy by Cixin Liu in two days. I do enjoy some hard science fiction that starts out as a simple story, then turns into a complex mess. I've greatly enjoyed the chapters that took place in the virtual reality, I would read a whole book just about the 3body simulation.

 No.51597

>>51596
I read that book a few months ago. It was pretty cool, though the science starts to become really weird later on. I haven't picked up the next one yet but I would like to some day.

 No.51599

>>50576
>Kwaidan

If you're looking for something similar to this you should check out "Strange Tales from a Chinese Studio" by Pu Songling. While the stories were written for a highly educated Chinese elite, many of the stories are quite short (one paragraph).

>>50657

True; the dust is terrible. I get my books from the library and only buy them if I really liked them.

>>50908

What would be an example of an uncomfortable truth in Peterson's book?

>>51123

>Plebcore

>American Psycho
>1984
>Catcher in the Rye

>>51449

Edward Abbey's work, aside from the sex, is quite wizardly. I read "The Monkey Wrench Gang" a while ago. The book is wizard friendly; Picaresque hooliganism, terrorism, hatred of society, &CT.

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I've been reading The Perennial Philosophy by Aldous Huxley and, and in a chapter titled Silence, I came across an interesting critique of modern technological society:

>The twentieth century is, among other things, the Age of Noise. Physical noise, mental noise and noise of desire - we hold history's record for all of them. And no wonder; for all the resources of our almost miraculous technology have been thrown into the current assault against silence. That most popular and influential of all recent inventions, the radio, is nothing but a conduit through which pre-fabricated din can flow into our homes And this din goes far deeper, of course, than the ear-drums. It penetrates the mind, filling it with a babel of distractions - news items, mutually irrelevant bits of information, blasts of corybantic or sentimental music, continually repeated doses of drama that bring no catharsis, but merely crate a craving for daily or even hourly emotional enemas. And where, as in most countries, the broadcasting stations support themselves by selling time to advertisers, the noise is carried from the ears, through the realms of fantasy, knowledge and feeling to the ego's central core of wish and desire. Spoken or printed, broadcast over the ether or on wood-pulp, all advertising copy has but one purpose - to prevent the will from ever achieving silence. Desirelessness is the condition of deliverance and illumination. The condition of an expanding and technologically progressive system of mass-production is universal craving. Advertising is the organized effort to extend and intensify craving - to extend and intensify, that is to say, the workings of that force, which (as all the saints and teachers or all the higher religions have always taught) is the principal cause of suffering and wrong-doing and the greatest obstacle between the human soul and its divine Ground.


If Huxley said this about radio in 1947, I wonder what he would say about the modern internet, social media, and smartphones.

 No.51631

>>51596
the new yorker did a big article on him, and I'd like to get to that book eventually

>>51629

this too.

As I understand its mostly a collection of quotes

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"'Hateful day when I received life!' I exclaimed in agony. 'Accursed creator! Why did you form a monster so hideous that even YOU turned from me in disgust?"

I guess I just read the greatest antinatalist novel ever written. Never saw a character in a novel so pissed to have been born than the creature in Frankenstein. He's pretty much complaining about it every waking moment.

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Currently reading the poetry of Georg Trakl. At first glance it looks like an incoherent mess but he manages to beautifully portrait the longing for a lost idyllic paradise, the harmony of man with the earth that has been stained by the knowledge of finitude, absence of gods, meaninglessness and death. He achieves this, mingling symbols of harmonic and peaceful nature with pictures of putrefaction, fear and hopelessness. One of bards embodying the fragmented man of modernity with all his technoindustrial horrors. He killed himself by a cocaine overdose after witnessing the disaster of WW1.

His last poem:

"At evening the autumnal forests resound
With deadly weapons, the golden plains
And blue lakes, above them the sun
Rolls more darkly by; night enfolds
The dying warriors, the wild lament
Of their broken mouths.
But in the grassy vale the spilled blood,
Red clouds in which an angry god lives,
Gathers softly, lunar coldness;
All roads lead to black decay.
Beneath the golden boughs of night and stars
The sister’s shadow reels through the silent grove
To greet the ghosts of heroes, their bleeding heads;
And the dark flutes of autumn sound softly in the reeds.
O prouder sorrow! you brazen altars
Today an immense anguish feeds the mind’s hot flame,
The unborn descendants."

 No.51638

>>51631

It's very heavy on the quotes. Huxley does make a cogent argument, supported by the quotes.

 No.51640

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>>50386
Has anyone else here read Mitchell Heisman's suicide note?

 No.51642

>>51640
It's over 1900 pages long. I've read the introduction, the conclusion, and skimmed through the rest. This was a couple of years ago so I don't remember the specifics, but it's an interesting work on existential nihilism that can get academic and repetitive at times. Some of his arguments are that Christianity and secular-democracy are anti-biological memes that work against the selfish genes, and that scientific objectivity is self-contradictory because the scientist must arbitrarily value objectivity. I would put it in the same category as Ligotti's TCATHR, Ray Brassier's Nihil Unbound, or the literature inspired by antinatalism.

 No.51649

>>51640
Only read the first one or two chapters, though intend to read the rest some day. I found his argument about our bias against death to be fascinating. I have studied a lot about animal ethics in the past, and the philosophical approach to extending ethical consideration to non-human animals, including the removal of bias as a valid reason to harm animals in a way you wouldn't harm people. The fact he argues a similar thing and says that our bias against death is unjust made me laugh. It's like he's treating death as something unfairly oppressed and stigmatised "just because". Maybe there's a gaping hole in his logic that I missed, but I found his argument very original and well articulated.

 No.51650

>>51629
Thank you for this, I'm going to try and remember to check this book out.

If you're interested in noise, I definitely recommend a book called Discord by Mike Goldsmith. It's about the history of noise, including the first anti-noise pollution laws passed passed IIRC in Roman times by Caesar, and then on to more modern times. There's an interesting bit about London in the 19th century (IIRC) and how beggars would often go around the wealthy streets playing terrible music on instruments they couldn't play, forcing the wealthy folk to pay them to move on. One man refused to give them any money and people found his anger so hilarious that more and more people started causing intense noise around his home just to push him to anger. It's a great read.

 No.51651

>>51640
I read it thoroughly about a year ago when I was NEET. It's not especially long even though it's 1905 pages: pages are short, his language is very clear and ideas are repeated, and the note is essentially six books connected. I've wanted to write something of a foreword to it but I don't know what I'd do with it other than keep it for personal satisfaction.

His book is, in summary, a sociobiological analysis/application of Nietzsche's big ideas like slave morality and the coming of nihilism (he calls Nietzsche his mentor at the end of the book). There are some weird logical fallacies like at the beginning (proving me wrong proves me right), but even then it still relates to his nihilism problem. He is sort of an accelerationist (though he wouldn't say so and has no ties to that school of thought) and claims that technological evolution is essentially the purpose of humanity and the completion of the nihilism project will be the end of humans in favor of rational technology, and gives the example of a smarter than human AI fulfilling that project. The reason the book is so long then is that he explains history (from the Exodus to the Norman Conquest to the American Civil War to Nazi Germany/WW2 to technocapitalist 21st century America) from that perspective. The ultimate slave revolt in morality (I won't spoil when in history he claims it was) caused technological evolution to supersede biological evolution and set us on the path towards nihilism and the creation of greater-than-human artificial intelligence.

I understand why he killed himself but I wouldn't conflate him to an antinatalist like Ligotti, as he is as claims nihilism negates pessimism. His suicide was supposed to represent something like extreme scientific objectivity (if the goal of science is to be objective rather than subjective what happens when I take this idea to it's extreme conclusion?). There's some tricky logic here that, if you think hard enough about what I just wrote, makes no sense at all (since isn't the "purpose" of life/action just to be happy/feel accomplished?), but his line of reasoning is clear in the book itself.

It's certainly an important book even if it may not be entirely philosophically or logically rigorous. I liked the part where he talked about some guy offering him fellatio and thinking about how no material laws would be broken if he accepted.

 No.51658

>>51651
I mostly skimmed through his obsession with the Normans, but its interesting a lot of Anglo-Americans through the 1800s did still talk about Whiggism as a conflict of saxons vs normans.

And the "Son Also Rises" has the Anglo-Normans as the most long-lasting historic elite, still over-represented at Oxbridge to this day

 No.51662

I just read a terrible book but I can't tell you the title, or you'll know my goodreads account. It was so fucking bad I went to goodreads and bashed the thing in a several paragraphs review. It was suppose to be a horror story but the author infested the pages with his dumb opinions about pop culture through monologues the protagonist keeps having. A murder just happened, but let me tell you all about why I like this movie and why you should like it too. Over and over again this keep happening while the actual plot doesn't go anywhere. Something imporant happens, the writer himself forgets about it a couple of pages later. What a fucking awful piece of text, Jesus Christ.

Then I check the data for the book and there's only 80 who read it, 15 reviews and mine is with one star and by far the longest. Worse, the author actually comments on people's reviews. I don't know if I should delete it now.

 No.51666

>>51658
It seemed like most of the book is him arguing that the last thousand years of English and American history has been a retelling of the Anglo-Norman conflict.

It was surprising to see how much important American figures referenced Normans. There's a section where he shows Thomas Payne trying to claim reparations and calculating the exact amount to be paid for the Norman Conquest like 600 hundred years later.

 No.51677

>>51666
yeah I think the book "The Cousin's War" popularized the idea of a Norman-Cavalier-Tory-Confederate vs Saxon-Roundhead-Whig-Yankee generational war

 No.51685

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Finished

>The Portrait of a Lady


Long novel about the experiences of a young American succubus in Europe and her rejections of several suitors before finally getting married, as well as what happens after. While the subject sounds boring the complexity of the characters and the good prose kept me reading. He's also very good at subtly fitting environments with the events that take place. Minor things that are part of the background like rain, the incense in a church, or even the shadows of trees foreshadow future events or symbolize the larger meaning of what seems to be a minor happening. The characters were some of the most realistically written I've seen but still remained interesting. It's hard to nail down a single theme but I was very engaged by long paragraphs about the inner thoughts of the protagonist towards the end.

>Spinoza: Practical Philosophy


A short biography and list of terms + descriptions expanding upon Spinoza's philosophy from the Ethics and other works. I had to reread many sections multiple times but it was a fairly rewarding experience and gave me some new insights on the Ethics. Will probably reread later when I've read Spinoza's other works that were referenced frequently.

>The Accursed Share: Volume 1


A book examining the idea of wasteful expenditure and its place throughout history, using it to develop the idea of a general economy that goes beyond simple utility on the level of individuals. It starts with some historical examples of sacrificial practices by the Aztecs, the custom of giving potlatches by Native Americans in North America, militant Muslim cultures, Tibetan monk traditions, etc. and then moves on to examining the situation between the Soviet Union, the U.S. and Europe at the time of writing. The central theme seems to be the inevitability of expending excess energy, either in growth or in waste. There are also criticisms of both capitalism and socialism in their treatment of "things" (abstract term I think he uses to describe mainly material objects and other things of consumption). Lots of other specifics I'm still grappling with, but it was a fascinating book and I'll definitely be looking into the other 2 volumes.

 No.51686

>>51685
First book sounds fun, I like stories about people being shocked of how the world doesn't revolve around them

 No.51690

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Finally read Michel Houellebecq's latest novel, "Serotonin." I enjoyed it, though this time I really didn't have much patience for a lot of the crude and pornographic imagery he likes so much. In this book he even includes bestiality and a graphic sexual scene between a middle-aged German birdwatcher and a 10-year-old succubus.

While this is a bleak book, he seems to affirm the power and importance of love in making life bearable, that love, especially romantic love, is one of the only things that truly matter. Maybe this will resonate most with waifu wizards. Like most wizards here (I assume…), I've never loved anyone in the romantic sense, and I frankly doubt that romantic love is even real, so the message was sort of uninteresting to me. (If romantic love is indeed real, I suspect it is perhaps fairly rare, a bit like those people who Ligotti argues in TCATHR achieved a type of enlightenment.) But I don't know, like a lot of aspies I have trouble understanding fiction beyond a very superficial level.

Also, he apparently wrote a short book on Schopenhauer in 2017. His HP Lovecraft book was great, so I intend to check this one out, too. (NB: There is no English translation yet.)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_présence_de_Schopenhauer

 No.51691

>>51690
It's a shame there's no translation of his Schopenhauer book, the Lovecraft one I agree was great.

Have you read Houellebecq's manifesto 'To Stay Alive'?

 No.51707

>>51691
>Have you read Houellebecq's manifesto 'To Stay Alive'?
I might've read it years ago. I used to find artists very interesting and considered them vital to society, but now I mostly view them as silly and self-important ego maniacs. But maybe I'm being too harsh. Did you like it, wiz? Overall, he's too life-affirming for me, still too much of a norman if you look closely.

Maybe I shouldn't care, but I also find it distasteful that he still cares about things like awards. I always really liked it that Cioran declined nearly all the honors they offered him.

But I guess MH is almost as good as it gets these days for fans of pessimism. The people who are darker than him have either committed suicide or are too depressed to complete a book or they perhaps just see no point in writing.

 No.51724

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Randomly thought of this novel I have read ten years ago and don't remember much about. Just checked my things and thankfully it's still here. I wonder if anyone here has read it?

 No.51725

Have any of you successfully managed to replace internet time with reading? I can pull it off for a day or two, but then I get an urge to check an imageboard or something, more out of a sense of loneliness than anything, and then spend the next several hours binging on Youtube. I'm probably addicted to the Internet.

I think the issue is that reading is draining and takes intellectual effort, whereas you can vegetate on the internet for hours in an unthinking haze. It's a great time-killer, but I'd like to transition to something else.

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have been reading this for weeks and wish I hadn't, it's too dry for me and I'm too dumb to appreciate it, but others in this thread might.

 No.51795

>>51791
Nah, books like that universally suck

 No.51819

Just finished reading the sixth and, I just decided, last book of living authors from my country (Brazil if you're curious). Mostly all of it was so fucking bad. I have the disadvantage here of having read the very best literature has to offer and these scribblers can't hold a candle to the greats I got use to over the years. I'll just go back reading something good for a change, In Search of Lost Time has been on my backlog forever, so I'll try and finish that now.

 No.51820

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Finished

>Montaigne's Essays: Book One


A collection of essays on various topics, loaded with references to ancient philosophers and history. Doesn't deal too deeply with anything and instead touches a wide variety of topics while providing a lot of interesting and often entertaining anecdotes from ancient history. I don't agree with a lot of what he writes but all the essays are still enjoyable and engaging without being too straining. Perfect to read before bed.

>George Trakl - Poems and Prose


A collection of poems and prose by the Austrian poet Trakl. It's hard to gleam much meaning from a lot of it but I found his imagery very powerful, with frequent juxtapositions of tranquil nature with death and anxiety-inducing reflections on the vastness of nature. There was one poem that really struck me while reading but I forgot to mark it down, so I'll put a different one that's still pretty good here as a sample - "To Lucifer":

Unto this spirit lend your flame, glowing Melancholy;
Sighing the head rears up to midnight,
By fresh green springtime hill, where ages past
A gentle lamb once bled to death, endured
The deepest pain; and yet the man of darkness follows
The shade of Evil, or he uplifts his clammy wings
To the sun's golden disc and then a tolling bell
Shatters his pain-rent breast,
Wild hope; darkness in flaming fall.

Red faces devoured by Night,
Along the harsh wall
A childlike skeleton probes in the shade
Of the drunken man, broken laughter
In wine, glowing melancholy,
The spirit's torments - a stone grows mute
The angel's blue voice
In the ear of the sleeper. Derelict light.

>孤島の鬼


A detective novel heavily inspired by Poe's stories. I can't write much without spoiling it. It's very slow-paced and maybe a bit drawn out at times but the twists are still interesting and it all leads to a fairly satisfying conclusion. Towards the end it kind of lost its steam a little due to being too predictable and a little bit anticlimactic but it was still pretty good. The author never relied on supernatural elements despite teasing it a lot throughout the story and always maintaining a mysterious atmosphere though, which I appreciated.
As far as I know there's no translation into English, unfortunately.

 No.51869

>>51820
Can I ask: do you work full-time?

If so, what kind of reading schedule do you have?

 No.51874

>>51869
As of this month yes. Usually I leave early at around 5 in the morning to avoid traffic, get to my workplace early, and sit in my car reading for 40 minutes or so. At noon I have an hour paid lunch so I eat in my car and read another 40 minutes. I get home a little before 5 PM and spend the rest of the day reading books or visual novels, eating, browsing the internet, and taking care of housework in between, before going to bed at 11.
Weekends, I don't have a set schedule but usually spend most of the day reading as well.

I had a similar schedule when working a job earlier last year but with twice as long a commute, although half of it was spent commuting by train so I could read there.

I hate working and it has hindered my progress a little, but it's not too bad.

 No.51879

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I had a lot of fun working my way through this. There are many interesting, moving, and amusing passages throughout this big two-volume book.

M. O'C. Drury: When I was at Cambridge a friend of mine was studying for a doctorate in philosophy. After some period of research he decided that he had nothing new to say on his chosen subject, and that the only honest thing to do was not write a thesis. I remember how Wittgenstein's face lit up with pleasure when I told him of this decision. "For that action alone," he said, "they should give him his PhD." (1046)
>Portraits of Wittgenstein is a major collection of memoirs and reflections on one of the most influential and yet elusive personalities in the history of modern philosophy, Ludwig Wittgenstein. Featuring a wealth of illuminating and profound insights into Wittgenstein's extraordinary life, this unique collection reveals Wittgenstein's character and power of personality more vividly and comprehensively than ever before.

 No.51880

>>51874
I respect your dedication.

 No.51886

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Can anyone recommend a book like Ryu Murakami's Parasites, something about Hikky/shizos/not normie goes into insanity.

 No.51890

>>51874
Do you re-read passages? Do you read out loud? Any tips for someone looking to get into reading?

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>>51890
Not him but I read several hours a day. I personally reread passages constantly depending on how well I understood it if I was some difficult philosophy or if it was worded nice. I myself rarely read out loud but sometimes I'll notice how my tongue is moving to the words more or less. Reading CAN be like watching a movie where you're linearly moving through it if you can comprehend it, or it can be very interactive; I had an English teacher who said he heavily marked and wrote notes in every book he read like in pic related. I don't do this personally since I read digital pretty much exclusively, but I'd like to start. Think it would help for comprehension.

As far as getting into reading, you could go on goodreads or something, start with some book you want to read, and then you will likely discover more books stemming from it; I start one book then I feel the urge to see who was influenced by it, what influenced it, etc. The answer to the question is analogous to "How do I get into browsing imageboards and which boards do I browse?" You just sort of do it and eventually discover where you what to go.

 No.51912

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Recently finished this. It was a bit different than I expected. What I had heard about it in advance was that it advocated the acquisition of wealth by any means, but it seems that the author does consider some means of revenue to be illegitimate. It seems like she spent more time criticizing people that try to earn wealth via nepotism or by playing politics than freeloaders. There is a lot of (oh god there's so much) straw-manning in Atlas Shrugged, which gets old early on and stays old.
There were some parts that I wasn't sure if I was supposed to take seriously, for instance where certain characters claimed that charity was evil, or that Robin Hood was the greatest villain in history. I think the author was probably being hyperbolic, but it was written in a serious tone, so I'm not sure.
There are a number of romantic subplots that are frankly the most boring sections of the book. I somehow actually preferred when they were discussing industrial steel legislation.
It played with some interesting ideas. I definitely liked some of the characters and plot developments. Not to say that I fully agree with the premise of the book but I think some of its the bad rap is unmerited.

 No.51913

>>51912
On the shitty romantic subplots it is easy to explain why they are there.
Look at a picture of a young Ayn Rand, then remember how Daphne taggart is described.
Yes, all the romantic bullshit is Ayn's personal sexual/romantic fantasies with a self insert as the lead.

Atlas shrugged has a lot of issues but many of the ideas are interesting and it is a book I highly recommend myself. I (mostly) liked it, even if I was getting frustrated with the hours long slow motion train crash, for example.
Still frustrates me less than reading Stephen King. Replace over the top unrealistic monologues for chapter long descriptions of lighthouses in Maine or some other dumb shit that has nothing to do with the story and you have the #1 reason I can't stand his work.

With both once they actually get to the point things start getting good, but with both you have to put up with a lot of bullshit fluff before you get there.

 No.51924

Reading the iliad for the first time. It's pretty phenomenal, way better than the epic of gilgamesh.

 No.51926

>>51924
Apparently we have just a tiny part of Gilgamesh's adventures, but it's amazing we have anything at all from those very early days of civilization.

 No.51930

>>51892
Is there more writing analyzing the page than the original writing on the page?
>>51912
>There were some parts that I wasn't sure if I was supposed to take seriously, for instance where certain characters claimed that charity was evil, or that Robin Hood was the greatest villain in history.
No. That's really Ayn Rand's position. She despised altruism. Embed related.

 No.51943

>>51629
He'd probably say we're drowning in noise and only silence can save us or something to that effect.

 No.51982

>>51926
I agree, it must have been a real struggle to translate it.

 No.51983

>>51982
I'm pretty sure archeologists are good at translating sumerian. The problem is that the story was an oral tradition, and thus few people ever wrote it down and the story changed over time.

 No.51984

>>51930
>jew is greedy and will die before sharing
What else is new?

 No.51997

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>>50386
The fact that you're right here, right now, posting on /hob/ proves reincarnation exists. 100 years ago John Smith (or whatever your name is) did not exist. He had no brain, no mind, no body. Yet out of the infinity of time and space, out of dead, inanimate matter, HERE YOU ARE.

You factually came forth out of the raw elements of the universe once, and out of the infinity of time and space, it can and will happen again. If it happened once, it can and will happen again.

In addition to this, it's by definition impossible to experience unconsciousness, hence the word itself. Not a single second of oblivion will ever be experienced. The blackness of deep sleep is never experienced, only getting sleepy, dreams, and waking up.

Instantaneously when the light of consciousness exits your present body, it'll enter another. I don't how the process works though. Could be karma as Hindus and Buddhists believe, could simply be tied to normal physical laws and you'll enter the closet suitable vessel.

 No.52006

>>51997
This kind of reasoning makes no sense. Karma does not mean what you think it means, it’s a huge misconception born in the minds of western occultists in the 19th century, and so is the idea of reincarnation.

>Instantaneously when the light of consciousness exits your present body, it'll enter another.

How do you not see the absurdity of this proposition. That would mean there is and there has always been some sort of perfect balance between the numbers of people (let’s include every living creature on earth while we’re at it) dying and the ones being born. You might want to reply “oh maybe we’re in a limbo of some kind waiting for a ‘suitable vessel’ to pop up somewhere” but then that contradicts your initial argument that the process is somehow instantaneous… or perhaps not everyone-everything necessarily undergoes the process of reincarnation? but again this makes it all fall apart. When faced with such obvious contradictions all you can do is come up with exceptions and made up hypotheses that are oddly arbitrary and lead to other dead ends.

>He had no brain, no mind, no body. Yet out of the infinity of time and space, out of dead, inanimate matter, HERE YOU ARE.

What about the first humans then, how did they come to be?

 No.52007

>>52006
And yet against all odds, you still exist. And will exist again in some capacity.

 No.52009

>>52007
I don't even what you are trying to argue.

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>>52006
>That would mean there is and there has always been some sort of perfect balance between the numbers of people (let’s include every living creature on earth while we’re at it) dying and the ones being born
Or rather there's one single consciousness projected into what appears to be (but is not) a multitude of organisms. Like a single image perceived through a fractal, or a hologram.

>When faced with such obvious contradictions all you can do is come up with exceptions and made up hypotheses that are oddly arbitrary and lead to other dead ends.

It's a fact that you arose out of dead, inorganic matter. A (dead matter) to B (life). Your death is merely the inverse, B changing to A.

If A can change to B once, and it did, then it can and will happen again out of the infinity of time and space.

>What about the first humans then, how did they come to be?

How did you come to be?

 No.52020

Its trashy I know but I've been reading light novels lately, in particular Overlord. I used to love reading when I was in high school, would read everything from stephven king to tolstoy, but as I got older and became a computer freak I just kind of stopped. Lately light novels have been a way to ease myself back into reading for pleasure. Sure they can be written/translated poorly, but the ones I've chose have just been plain fun.

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>>52020
The more I read dense stuff from authors like Steven Erikson, Gene Wolfe, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, and Proust the more I appreciate a bite-sized light novel.

 No.52045

Does anyone have this book as a file or know where I can download it for free? If you have it, would you please share it with me?

The Shy Man Syndrome : Why Men Become Love Shy and How They Can Overcome It
Author: Brian G. Gilmartin
Year: 1989 Format: Hardcover 228 pages
ISBN 13: 9780819170095 (978-0-8191-7009-5)
ISBN: 0819170097 (0-8191-7009-7)

 No.52047

>>52045
Do you have a library card?
https://archive.org/details/shymansyndromewh0000gilm

Otherwise just use a search engine that isn't google with the terms download and/or pdf + the full title, and you should usually find it pretty fast.

 No.52048

>>52045
are you for real?

 No.52049

>>52047
I already tried. It can not be found that easily.

 No.52050

>>52048
Not him, but now I'm kinda curious. It's like when those reporters claim that wizchan is part of the alt-right army or something. I wanna know how others perceive "us".

 No.52090

>>52045
it's on archive.org; create a free account, you can virtually borrow it and read it

 No.52107

any novel similar to Kim (Kipling) you guys can recommend? it was the first 'fiction' book I have read in a loong time and also one of the best.

 No.52119

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Finished

>The Consumer Society


A book expanding on the idea of consumption posited by the author in The System of Objects. Of all Baudrillard's books this was probably the most straightforward and easiest to read. Everything in it is still relevant today IMO. I liked his discussions on the imperative to consume/enjoy and the commodification of time that's taken over.

>Correction


A novel about a man who goes insane with obsession over building a massive cone in the middle of a forest for his sister to live in. The story is narrated from the point of view of his closest friend who is trying to piece together the work and manuscripts he's left behind. Goes pretty deep into themes of suicide and dysfunctional families. Might be hard to read if you're not used to Bernhard's style but I really enjoyed it and the style lent to the insanity.

>The Society of the Spectacle


A book positing a theory about modern society being dominated by the "spectacle". I read this primarily because it was an influence on early Baudrillard. Many of the ideas apply to modern society but he wasn't as on point as Baudrillard was IMO. The core concept is interesting and accurate though.

 No.52269


 No.52270

>>50388
This might actually be reality, unfortunately.

 No.52283

>>52090
can you virtually borrow a book off this site… 'forever'?

 No.52284

>>52283
No, you can't add it to your big collection of digital books you will never get around to reading.
At least not through that site.

 No.52287

>>52284
how witty! upvoted

 No.52291

>>52269
I just finished reading this book. I usually avoid those books with the "look at me I'm so cool to include fuck in my title" books but this was good. Quite too many information to digest and take it. Probably have to reread it again later.

 No.52292

>>52291

Can you summarise it?

 No.52293

>>52292
It's a collection of 30-40 random nihilistic/pessimistic thoughts about things like emotions, society and philosophy. Nothing new to wizards posting here.

>life is meaningless, no point in finding answers

>universe knows only one truth which is death and the rest are just human construct
>law of nature is violence and selfishness, people inherently hate everyone who tries to steal resources from them
>people who encourage you to grow up do it in return of a favor in future
>once you go up (life, achievements, pleasure) you can only go down (suffering, loss, despair)

 No.52295

>>52293
Thanks, i'm reading it now and that seems accurate

I wasn't lazyposting, just thought it had some form of synopsis that could prove helpful but yes, it appears to bullet-point itself in a readable fashion

 No.52298

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I'm reading Ego and Its Own because of the memetic nature of the book.
This seems to be a really tough book. I just finished the first chapter and I have really hard time trying to understand the grammatical composition of the sentences. The multi-layered meaning behind words like mind, spirit, cause is pretty confusing too.
Still, the book is really interesting and I have a feeling it's going to be life changing if I finish it and understand completely but I can't seem to find any reliable companion books or commentaries to accompany and help me with my reading experiences. Any help welcome.

 No.52307

William Peter Blatty - The Ninth Configuration

–This wasn't really good. I read it only because the same guy wrote The Exorcist which I loved.
The 9th Configuration is about a mansion where soldiers are sent who became crazy - well there is an astronaut too. A new psychiatrist arrives at the mansion who is determined to help everyone…This is it in a nutshell. The characters are forgettable, plot is really simple and kind of predictable, the plot twist/big reveal is so stupid you most likely won't expect it. On the upside it is short, 200 pages in the digital format I downloaded.
It deals with the questions of suffering, why God allows suffering, evil, etc. Nothing new and since I wasn't really interested in the philosophical/theological debates (I was more interested in the characters, plot and atmosphere which unfortunately let me down) this book is a 4/10 for me. I guess if you are a christian or you are interested in christianity this book will hold more value for you. The ending was rather enjoyable though especially when Kane went Rambo on the bikersbut that is about the only part I genuinely liked.

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>>52307
Interestingly enough, I just finished reading this exact book last night. An old paperback printing under the original title "Twinkle, Twinkle, Killer Kane".

I definitely liked it, I probably would have loved it in 1966 when it would have still been quite unique. Would recommend given that it's a short read, and as you mentioned to people given to theological/moral questions.

Maybe you read the screenplay from the 1980 film, because the biker scene wasn't in the book I read… This one was only 140 pages. I'm curious now…

 No.52311

>>52308
This book was published twice. First with the title "Twinkle, Twinkle, Killer Kane" then with the title "The Ninth Configuration". Supposedly the author felt that the first version was too simple and unfinished so he published an updated and corrected version, The 9th Configuration.

Wait, so how does your version end? I'm curious too what differences are there between the two versions. Anyway, it is really interesting that we finished the same book yesterday. Sounds like Foot's work!

By the way, another interesting fact: supposedly the astronaut Cutshaw is the same astronaut who appeared at the house party in The Exorcist, to whom Regan said "You are going to die up there" or something along those lines.

 No.52312

>>52311
Hidden for spoilers, though who knows if anyone besides us will read it.

Near the end of the book, Kane has the epiphany that indulging the men's insanity will cure them. After a few other happenings, Cutshaw insists on the Nazi/Great Escape psychodrama and they begin digging tunnels. Eventually after switching inmate/doctors clothing the castle is in total disarray with the appearance of the inmates literally running the asylum. Kane is in his room sleeping/hallucinating again like his earlier dream, but now has a diagnosis of Cutshaw's theological problem and they have their last conversation. The Senator arrives and is taken prisoner by the inmates who are in character as SS Men, and he is taken down into the tunnels eventually ending up in the secret chamber of Slovik's castle with Consuelo and a dummy of the late actor. The General arrives and is horrified by this state of affairs, Cutshaw goes to get Kane only to find he slashed his wrists and killed himself, carrying him down the stairs in his arms. The story ends with the place being shut down and the men returning to normal yet awkward lives, after visiting the priest Kane confessed to and remarking that he "was a lamb", two months later Cutshaw is back in space and seemingly cured.

That's how the '66 version ended.

 No.52345

>>52312
Wow. It is like we read two completely different books. "The Ninth Configuration" version goes like this…

The Nazi-game takes place but here Cutshaw and the inmates are the prisoners who are digging a tunnel to escape from the staff who are dressed in SS uniforms. Cutshaw asks Kane to take him to Mass. They go to church and Cutshaw seems to like it. When they arrive back at the mansion a new inmate has just arrived, named Gilman. It turns out he served under Kane in Vietnam and then it is revealed to the reader that the guy we know as Hudson Kane is actually Vincent Kane and that Doctor Fell is the actual Hudson Kane. Cutshaw somehow learns this fact too and he gets angry that the guy who preached to him about goodness and God turns out to be a killer. Cutshaw steals a motorcycle and goes into town. He goes to a tavern and gets drunk. A biker gang notices him and realizes that he is the "crazy astronaut". They start a fight with him, beat him up and humiliate him. Vincent Kane goes after him and finds him at the tavern. The gang then starts to bully them both, Kane and Cutshaw pretty much don't resist and do every shameful thing that is asked of them. Then Kane finally snaps when the gang leader takes out his dick and wants Cutshaw to suck it. Kane goes crazy and kills four of them. They somehow get away and get back to the asylum. Kane goes to his room and talks with Cutshaw for one last time. Then Cutshaw leaves but then realizes that Kane's blood is on his clothes/shoes can't remember exactly now. He goes back and finds that Kane stabbed himself in the stomach and killed himself. In the epilogue Cutshaw comes back to the now-closed asylum and remembers his friend. We get to know that Kane killed himself because he thought his death would trigger a curing shock in the inmates. Later in a dialogue it is revealed that Cutshaw has been to the Moon and is now a believer in God. Then the other inmates/minor characters are mentioned, what happened to them, etc.

 No.52409

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How do you think about the conversation between Gabriel and his wife in "The dead", about the boy who died for her long ago?

 No.52454

Robert Bloch - Psycho
PLOT: Mary Crane wants to get married with her boyfriend but said boyfriend has money troubles. One day Mary steals money from the place where she works at to help out her boyfriend, Sam. She thinks that with the stolen money all of Sam's debts can be paid off and nothing will stand in the way of their love. However, on her way towards Sam, Mary gets lost and stays for a night at a motel run by a recluse called Norman Bates…

Take note everyone, this is how you write a good horror/thriller properly. No unnecessary details or parts which add nothing to the story /I am looking at you, Stephen King/ Psycho focuses on the subject all the time and doesn't get derailed. The characters are sympathetic and do what their roles demand of them well. Let's mention the main character for a sec, Norman Bates - the book literally starts with his mother insulting him for being a hermit and a loser who never had a real job - aside from working at the family motel, who never had a gf, who never had friends, who always lived with his Mom all his life. The mother also mentions how he hates other people generally and we get to know that Norman basically spends all his free time reading. Quite wizardly and I could identify with him very well, I think most people here can relate to him. Also, unlike in the movie version, in the original book Norman is older, 40 years old, he is also fat, wears glasses and he is balding. Guess they had to change that for the movie because normals can't identify with ugly people. Funnily enough, he literally is a wizard, he is interested in occultism and such. So yes, the character of Bates is definitely one of the biggest sources of enjoyment while reading Psycho. The plot is simple, yet not at the same time. God, I wish I hadn't watched the movie before reading this gem. Knowing the plot twist ahead kind of took away the fun I would have been part of if I didn't know it. But anyway, I still loved Psycho. It is also relatively short, around 250 pages in digital format. I heavily recommend this to everyone who likes a good thriller/horror. Oh almost forgot to mention that the writing is very good. I don't know when was the last time I enjoyed reading a book so much, the author is just so…fluent? He writes very smoothly and naturally. Or maybe we just think similarly. Anyways, 10/10 book.

 No.52461

>>52454
Cool review. I've stuck to short stories lately but I think I'll dip into novels again to try this one.

 No.52465

How do you decide what to read next? I have too many choices

 No.52470

>>52465
Only limited time left and too many books to read. Just read something you absolutely WANT to read.

 No.52478

Has anyone read the book 'Die Nachtkinder'?

It's quite a rare find, and i can't get it online, wondering if anybody has a PDF

I don't know the author, but apparently is was about a wiz-like guy who was working a mundane job and would fantasising about being free from his slavery by being a kid on adventures, thanks

 No.52479

Lovecraft is my favorite writer

 No.52481

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Read this in an attempt to get into the habit of reading again. I postponed it because a review of it made it sound like it was all about some poor vs rich allegory or something. While the book has some of that, wich really tried to kill my interest, there is more interesting things to draw from the story.
The whole "humanity ends up as retarded, almost genderless, pussies" was okay but the way it was presented made me interested in reading about biology or anthropology. The idea that the destruction of the family, social roles, and civilization in general can come in such a natural way as they came is something that was in my mind but never really gave it any profound thought. So, anyone can recommend some books to start in human evolution, or some must read biology/anthropology/sociology books?

 No.52485

>>52481
http://libgen.is/fiction/6224F31CBAF17BF98EFEC1203BEBF115
>Man After Man is an ambitious attempt to view the future as far distant from us as those ramapithecine creatures whose fragmentary remains turn up in African fossil beds. What is our future? Will the human race exist in 1,000 years time? In 10,000 years? In 100,000 years time? If so, what will we look like and how will we behave? How will we have developed or adapted, and why? What will be the effect of that change on other animals? Man After Man is an illustrated anthropology of the future. It shows how the human race might evolve naturally or be adapted to face life under the sea or in space. And how the descendants of Homo sapiens might meet the harsh challenge of a new ice age or the adverse conditions imposed by the greenhouse effect, ozone depletion or magnetic reversal.

 No.52516

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Finished

>The Castle of Otranto


The first gothic novel. Does a good job of keeping supernatural elements mostly hidden until later in the book, maintaining the suspense. Not amazing but it was a short read that didn't overstay its welcome.

>Beyond the Pleasure Principle (Freud)


A fairly short essay trying to move beyond just pleasure as the driving force for human behavior. This was apparently his introduction of the death drive (in writing at least). It's not as developed as it was in Civilization and Its Discontents but it will still a good read containing some interesting explanations for things like repetition and masochism/sadism.

>Philosophical Grammar (Wittgenstein)


Collection of some of his notebooks. This came before Philosophical Investigations but it feels like it clarifies quite a few ideas from that. There's also a large section dedicated to his thoughts on mathematics, which weren't present as much in PI. A lot of them felt like "no shit" type observations (maybe just because I was already pretty familiar with his thought) but quite a few got me thinking. Would recommend if you read and enjoyed PI. Planning to check out the Blue and Brown books next, though the epub edition online has shit formatting so I'll probably end up ordering it online.

>The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious (Jung)


A collection of writings by Jung explaining and giving examples of archetypes and the collective unconscious. I usually thought of Jung as a woo woo bullshitter because of how he was presented on imageboards, but they were either talking out of their ass or that came later in his career. Neither of the concepts were the mystic bullshit I'd assumed them to be, and all his ideas were reasonable. To be honest I even enjoyed reading him more than Freud.

>Parerga and Paralipomena Vol. 1 (Schopenhauer)


A collection of essays, dealing with topics like the history of philosophy, spirits, and general advice on life. Considering how Schopenhauer always gets portrayed on imageboards, I was surprised at how good his sense of humor was. I was laughing out loud at he parts where he ripped on the Jewish and Christian religions and bashed Hegel and other university philosophers of his day. All the essays were great but "Aphorisms on the Wisdom of Life" was the most enjoyable to read because of how similar it was to my own thinking. Probably a better source of self-help than the shit advice given in modern self-help books or by youtube charlatans - for wizards, at least. And everyone who's ever labeled this guy as a whiner is full of shit because he explicitly recommends against lamenting over trivial things in one section.

>Critique of Pure Reason (Kant)


I went in expecting this to be incomprehensible because of how it's portrayed on the internet but, possibly because I had already read Descarte, Spinoza, and Hume, most of his ideas were actually pretty intuitive. I reread some sections a few times just to get down the subtleties but it didn't feel nearly as hard as I'd been led to believe. But apart from difficulty, it did make me start thinking in a new way. I won't claim I'm reborn or stupid shit like that but it really opened up my mind. Guess that sounds kind of superficial but I don't want to get too deep into it writing an essay or something.

>Antony and Cleopatra

>The Winter's Tale
>As You Like It

Not much to say since I don't want to ramble, all were enjoyable. Antony and Cleopatra was my favorite of three, followed by As You Like It. Winter's Tale was good but it was kind of an odd mix between a tragedy and a comedy - not as emotionally moving as Antony and Cleopatra and not as funny as As You Like It.

>Persians (Aeschylus)


Maybe hard to understand the valuefrom a modern perspective (and without the performance) but I still enjoyed it. The introduction by the translator put it into context and made it a little more moving.

 No.52517

>>52516
Do you actually remember any of the books you read? How much of it would you say that you assimilate in the long-term?

 No.52523

>>52516
With regards to the first critique's section the "refutation of idealism", how does one reconcile the alleged successive objective states in space with the notion that space is imply a pure form of the intuition, so things that would be persisting in space would just be the representation of them or the way they appear to us and not how they actually are and not objective, and if they are only the way they appear to us then how is this a refutation of idealism at all?
>>52516

 No.52536

>>52119
>Everything in it is still relevant today IMO. I liked his discussions on the imperative to consume/enjoy and the commodification of time that's taken over.
it is certainly, but how do you stomach this pedantic and pretentious style, likewise with debord. it's like these authors make a conscious effort to be as unnecessarily verbose as they can. just ranting as im done with the consumer society.

 No.52631

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I really liked "Kleist: A Biography" by Joachim Maass. Heinrich von Kleist was a German Romantic-era writer who famously committed suicide with his friend, Henriette Vogel, at the age of 34. The author suspects he may have died a virgin, but I don't consider him to be a wizard since he was engaged to be married at one point. Here are a few things from my reading notes:

>…The very essence of Kleist: on the one hand Romantic madness; on the other, the rigid bearing of a Prussian officer, an almost unbearable tension that would've destroyed a man of weaker will.


>…His constant struggle to hold a balance between depression and euphoria, to oppose every drive with a contrary drive–a battle of opposites he carried over into his dramatic work.


>His friend Müller: "Kleist loved death as the spice of an insipid life."


>Those who wish to outlive the joys of youth must learn to make peace with the world, and of that Kleist was incapable… in short, everything that has characterized man and the world through the ages filled him with nausea. Over the years his skin, instead of growing thicker, had grown thinner, more irritable, too irritable to bear the thousand pinpricks and insect bites of day-to-day life.


>"Ah, how empty and bleak and sad it must be to outlive one's heart." That was just what had happened to him. He was still active, but his heart was no longer in anything he was doing, he had ceased to love his art, and they were vegetating together in a kind of ruined marriage.


>"… his rectitude, honesty, and integrity were such as to fill me with a horror of all dissembling, all boasting, all calculated behavior."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinrich_von_Kleist

 No.52720

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this is slightly off-topic
does anyone have the habit of taking notes when reading?
I use e-books to read and I don't read for long hours, mostly just a hour or a hour and a half and I can't seem to remember the things that I had read a few days back
this gets really worse when reading aphoristic texts or non fiction because unlike fiction that has a linked flow between chapters they end up being segmented and easy to forget
I am thinking of making notes and I started taking notes for the book I am reading now
after completing my reading session I just realized I've copied sentences word by word and instead of being a short and easy to recollect text I just ended up almost writing the whole book down
overall this was a total waste of time
so anyone here who take notes when reading give any advice on how to properly take notes

 No.52731

>>52720
No. The only way to read books is to be fully absorbed in them.

 No.52739

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Jim Butcher is finally releasing the next book in The Dresden Files this year. This is my favorite fiction series so I'm looking forward to it. What's more is he's putting out another book in September of this year. I suppose he's had a long time to write them but still it's pretty weird that he's putting them out this close to each other all of a sudden.

 No.52740

>>52720
No, but I feel like I should start. I basically do the same thing with visual media but with screencaps.
>>52731
What about non-fiction? Like wanting to fact check a history book.

 No.52755

>>52631
Thanks, this was a comfy read

>The thousand pin-pricks of daily life


Anymore like this?

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>>52755
>Anymore like this?
Just to be clear, that part you quote is written by his biographer, not von Kleist himself. I see writing like this in a lot of biographies from the early to mid twentieth century. You might like, for example, Emil Ludwig, who wrote many popular biographies.

Here are a few more things from my notes that you might like:
>One of the first literary moderns, he consistently violated the established values of his age by rendering life as he found it–unsettled, unsettling, and inexplicably absurd.

>[A]ltogether, he wasn't cut out for society; in him there was a "sad clarity," which, unasked, revealed to him "the thought behind each look, the meaning behind each word, the motive behind each action," which, in short, showed him everything, even his own nature, in all its wretched nakedness.


>"My sole and highest goal has vanished; now I have none." He sensed that neither honors, riches, or knowledge could ever really satisfy him.


>…what tempted him most was death. For his innermost feeling told him that the evil which poisoned his life would end only with his life, because it was inside him: "For this forever tormented heart gives me nothing but pain."

 No.52785

Hi guys, haven't posted here in a while but I hope you're all doing well. I'll copy >>52516's formatting because I find him inspiring.


>Plainsong by Kent Haruf


Novel set in a fictional town in Colorado, based apparently on Yuma, Colorado. The author believed that small town life offered as much worthy of observation and literary interest as cities, and this book focuses on the lives of several people in this small town, most of whom cross paths in some way. The central focus of the book is a teenage succubus who gets pregnant and ends up moving in with two elderly farmer brothers, both bachelors, at their farm outside of town. I enjoyed his clean, plain style of writing, the witty and realistic working class dialogue, the sensitivity towards the characters. One thing Kent was praised for was writing "unsentimental" books, however I'm now halfway through the second book in the trilogy of novels set in Holt, and I would say they are quite sentimental at times, with many characters crying on pretty regular basis. It sometimes reminds me of what Americans call "Hallmark" movies, although his assertiveness and insight into the details of how various aspects of the town function (e.g., cattle sales, social services, skinning a horse, local plants) is reassuring and interesting.


>In The Sanctuary of Outcasts by Neil White


Non-fiction story of an editor in the early 1990s who gets convicted of "kiting" checks (can't recall what this exactly means), and is offered a deal whereby he spends his sentence in a lepers colony in Louisiana. He turns up pretty ego-centric and materialistic, but gradually gets acquainted with the lepers living there, hearing their tragic life stories (abandonment, ostracism etc). There is a brief history of leprosy, the nature of the condition, and a few people become especially friendly with the author. An interesting read, quite straightforward.

>Wagner and Philosophy by Bryan Magee (still reading)


Fascinating book about Wagner's relationship with philosophy throughout his life, but really it focuses on other things like his depression, political involvement, relationships etc. I knew that he had been poor prior to his success, but this book portrays him more as a kind of angry bohemian, who spends his time discussing the destruction of society with leading anarchists, gets involved in street battles with the police, writes newspaper articles promoting anarchism, sleeps with the wives of men who offer him financial support, and is convinced from a young age that he is destined for greatness. The book also provides interesting insights into French and German society and politics at the time (mid-18th century).
Quote: "Until his fifties not a year of his adult life went by in which he did not seriously contemplate suicide" (p.19)

 No.52790

Dennis Lehane - Darkness, Take My Hand
Plot: Patrick Kenzie and Angela Gennaro private investigators are back, this time they are entrusted with the duty of protecting a psychiatrist's son but they soon realize this case is much more complex and deeper than it seems like…

Wow, what a disturbing book. I'm used to reading dark stuff because I mainly read horror or thriller but this one was pretty sick. Much more darker than the previous book "A Drink Before The War", that one had a melancholic feeling too but dealt with gang-wars and race issues while this book is about catching the incarnation of pure evil, a freaking psychopath. Many gore in it, too - much more bloodier than the previous book. What can I say? Suspenseful, thrilling, the characters are sometimes annoying but bearable, there are some nice plot twists in it though the identity of the killer is very, very obvious from around halfway on. Also felt like the writer was HEAVILY influenced by the works of Thomas Harris - Red Dragon and The Silence of The Lambs. This is a good crime fiction. 7/10. Better than the previous book.

 No.52949

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Everyone read The Little Prince
It’s available at thelittleprince.online
Very wizardly book

 No.53135

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Just finished Neurologic by Timothy Leary (1973). I felt like reading something trippy and I have Leary's complete works on a hard drive, so I thought why not, and picked something at random.

This book is written in a sleek, modernist spaceship font, so it’s a time capsule in a lot of ways. It’s formatted like a pamphlet or essay, and very readable at only 40 pages or so.

It probably best classified with the drug literature of the 70’s and is filled with clichés about space travel, forgotten acronyms (G-Pill, PSY PHI) and overblown claims about LSD, with some good bits of humor thrown in.

The book is a manifesto of sorts presenting Leary’s eight-circuit theory of consciousness, and there are some interesting speculations about human development and evolution. The content itself is somewhat of a trip, and some sections were clearly inspired by an acid trip. Apparently Leary wrote it when he was in and out of various prisons.

Leary is a fun writer, and I enjoyed reading this. I’m somewhat biased because I already agree with most of what he says, but I can see how someone could roll their eyes at this type of stuff if they’re not already on the same page.

This book belongs in the same category as Huxley’s Doors of Perception. Huxley was more poetic, while Leary comes at it from the perspective of science fiction and psychology; it’s an ode to LSD and a relic of the counterculture of the time, but still worth reading if you’re into that sort of thing.

 No.53140

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>>53135
Finished Psychedelics and Religious Experience by Alan Watts (1968), continuing with my binge on psychedelic literature. This one is even shorter than Leary’s book, at under 20 pages, originally published in a law journal. I discovered Alan Watts a long time ago through the pop-spirituality videos on YouTube (he died in 1973), but I never looked into his writings before, so I was pleasantly surprised to find that he’s a fairly good writer. Once again I picked this out at random.

This is basically an argument for the legalization of psychedelics, so it won’t have much to offer you if you’re heard it all before. The state shouldn’t interfere with religion, and psychedelics induce religious experiences, therefore the state shouldn’t interfere with psychedelics. What keeps it interesting is Watts himself, who has a flowing and unpretentious style and knows how to explain complex philosophical and religious ideas in a straightforward way. As a student of the psychology of religion, Watts describes his own experiments with LSD-25 and other drugs, is careful to point out that he did it when it was still legal, and makes his case in an engaging and relatable way. Again, I’m biased because I already agree with him, so your perspective may be different.

This statement hasn’t aged well:

>To us, [fruit flies] all look alike and seem to have no personality-as do the Chinese when we have not lived among them. Yet fruit flies must see just as many subtle distinctions among themselves as we among ourselves.


But I don’t blame him for not being sufficiently “woke” by 2020 standards.

You can read it here for free: http://psychedelic-library.org/watts.htm

 No.53220

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I'll be reading this tonight.

 No.53224

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This definitely isn’t a deep or intellectual read, but it’s pretty funny. It just came out last month, I actually found it on 4chan /lit/. It’s only available as an ebook though, which is kinda inconvenient.

 No.53225

>>53224
please gub summary of the works

 No.53231

>>53140
It’s a bullshit excuse to get intoxicated. There’s nothing religious or spiritual about frying your brain with psychedelic drugs. The degenerates and stoners will claim that shamans in some remote american regions used to do mushrooms and mind altering plants but the context is completely different, these men were “trained” and they wouldn’t abuse this stuff just for the sake of experimenting or having fun. It’s like comparing the consumption of coca leaves by south american tribes to the modern use of cocaine, or thinking that indulging in alcoholism is fine because the catholics use wine in a ritual. This is to make a parody of genuine religious practices to justify hedonist behaviour.

 No.53232

>>53224
What happen to your other thread?

 No.53245

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>>50386
What's good, Wizzies?

Here's what I've been reading

 No.53256

>>53231
Amen, this man is right, please stop this harmful pseudo-history to justify your stoner tendencies. It's cool if you do drugs, just don't make it seem like they're actually good for you.

 No.53257

>>53256
I hate linking to a twitter thread, but this is spot on : https://twitter.com/owenbroadcast/status/1260919688063746048

 No.53263

>>53231
>>53256
>>53257
“LSD is a psychedelic drug which occasionally causes psychotic behavior in people who have not taken it.” -Timothy Leary

 No.53267

>>53263
Watts, Leary… who’s next, Huxley, Ginsberg? it’s amazing that after all that’s been written on the subject for dozens of years stoners still take these new age gurus and spooks at face value. If you want to do drugs fine, but don’t try to pretend you’re on some deep spiritual quest or what not while you’re just experimenting and having fun. This is a bullshit excuse that’s even less credible now than it was back then.

 No.53273

>>53267
If some people want to explore their spirituality using psychedelics, what difference does it make for you? They're not forcing you to participate. Nothing is stopping you from hiding the posts if you disagree with them so much.

>new age gurus and spooks

Do you have any substantive criticism or are you just going to shout "spooks" over and over until we stop replying? Your emphasis on calling people who use psychedelics "degenerates and stoners" makes it pretty clear that you have some kind of axe to grind and are not interested in having a rational discussion.

>If you want to do drugs fine

'Doing drugs' is a politically loaded expression, and you know it.

>don’t try to pretend you’re on some deep spiritual quest or what not while you’re just experimenting and having fun

Is experimenting and having fun incompatible with a deep spiritual quest?

 No.53274

>>53273
But there is nothing spiritual or even mystical about taking drugs, natural or synthetic. It is different in some cultures but the context matters, the substances are more of a support than something you experiment recreationally with just for the sake of it, without any kind of guidance.
Some people will experience "altered states of consciousness" and see pink elephants and think they are some sort of sages or saints. Of course they would rather believe they are "ascending" than descending, which is what really inevitably happens as they further fry their brains with anything they can get their hands on.

>Do you have any substantive criticism or are you just going to shout "spooks" over and over until we stop replying?

There is ample research on the history of psychedelic drugs and their proponents over the last eighty or so years, and it does not paint a kind picture. That's just how it is.

>Is experimenting and having fun incompatible with a deep spiritual quest?

Yes.

 No.53276

>>53274
Quick question: have you actually tried any psychedelics? If so, what substance and dosage, what was your set and setting, and did you have a sitter present?

 No.53277

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>>53274
I hate "enlightenment from drugs" fags as much as anyone, particularly gurus like Leary. I agree, tripping on LSD and the likes is not inherently spiritual.

BUT
the experience can be so profound, so incomprehensible, so unimagineable-impossible and utterly humiliating in a way that it's extremely tough not to return with some insights on what matters in life. What's your purpose. What it really means to be.

I the end you were just tripping on acid or shrooms dude lol. You were just frying your brain with an extremely potent psychedelic drug. Duh! But it doesn't really invalidate your own, very personal lessons you've learned from it - no matter how pretentious they may sound.

Sometimes tripping can just be recreational, relaxing, hilarious, loads of good fun. That's fine too, even better arguably. Don't need to mystify this shit. Shit doesn't need to be deeply philosophical but if it ends up being philosophical anyway that's cool. Just don't think you're Buddha now because you ate a bunch of shrooms.
I can also see why pychedelicsfags love to rant about and shill their drugs, making them a part of their identity. A trip is something the vast majority of people, and talking about it to someone who's never tripped is like explaining colors to the blind. It puts you into a small group of people who """understand""". That's why lots of communities surrounding these drugs are fairly obnoxious (leddit).

>It’s a bullshit excuse to get intoxicated

It really is but then again, an excuse shouldn't be required in the first place. If you want to do drugs, feel free to.

Pic very much related; it was me on 40g sclerotia. It's sad that I will never explore the drill tunnel again. But I've made my peace with it.

 No.53278

>>53277
*something the vast majority of people will never experience.

 No.53279

>>53277
I respect the fact that drugs have opened people's eyes but it is a gamble not only in what kind of lesson you'll learn but how you'll learn. There are some hard lessons we may not have to learn if we only act prudently and not gamble our minds and bodies in pursuit of godhead, mere dreams, and escape.

 No.53280

>>53277
I respect the fact that drugs have opened people's minds but it is always a gamble, not only in what kind of lesson you'll learn but how you'll learn it too. There are some hard lessons we may not have otherwise had to learn if we only acted prudently and not wagered our minds and bodies for empty dreams, escape, and oblivion.

 No.53281

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>>50386
Y'all wizzies read Pushkin?

 No.53344

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>>53278
Did you consider the majority of wizzies might experience awakenings?

 No.53350

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Gaskins was born on March 13, 1933 in Florence County, South Carolina to Eulea Parrott, the last in a string of illegitimate children. He was small for his age and immediately gained the nickname "Pee Wee". As an adult, he was 5' 4"-5' 5" (163-165 cm) and weighed approximately 130 lbs.

Gaskin's early life was characterized by a great deal of neglect. When he was one year old, Gaskins drank a bottle of kerosene, which caused him to have convulsions until he was three years old. His mother apparently took so little interest in him that the first time he learned his given name—Donald—was when it was read out in his first court appearance, for a crime spree Gaskins committed along with a group of fellow delinquents which included robberies, assaults and the gang rape of one of the delinquents 11 year old sister. Gaskins described the motive for the gang rape as the need for young, tight and fresh pussy, as the boys were bored of the older loose used skanks that they were accustomed to. Gaskins licked every crack of the 11 year old succubus, savoring every second of the gang rape.

Following his conviction for his role in the crime spree, Gaskins was sent to reform school. There, he was regularly raped by his fellow inmates. After escaping from the school, getting married and voluntarily returning to complete his sentence, he was released in 1951, at the age of 18. Gaskins briefly worked on a tobacco plantation until his 1953 arrest, after he attacked a teenage succubus with a hammer for an alleged insult. Gaskins was sentenced to six years' imprisonment at the South Carolina Penitentiary.

After being raped and "owned" in prison, he earned his fellow prisoners' respect by killing the most feared man in the prison, Hazel Brazell. As a result, Gaskins received an extra three years in prison, but from that point on he was considered one of the prison's powermen, as he gained respect from the other powermen in prison. He escaped from prison in 1955 by hiding in the back of a garbage truck and fled to Florida, where he took employment with a traveling carnival. He was re-arrested, remanded to custody, and paroled in August 1961.

Following the years after prison, he committed various sadistic murders, torturing his victims with various tools, such as a 12 inch knife he called "toothpick" and home improvement tools. His preferred method of getting rid of the bodies and belongings of the people he killed was weighing down their bodies and possessions with chains and sinking them to the bottom of the bogs and swamps of South Carolina. Most of the time, his victims were still alive when he weighed them down and sunk them. He especially felt gratified when he seen the last moments of his victim's lives when their last breath of oxygen came back up as a series of bubbles after sinking them.

Final Truth by Donald "Pee Wee" Gaskins pdf - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B73DHKayVcpmX2ZMdVBXQjVyNVk/view

Angry Grandpa: Friends With a Serial Killer - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vWuhbiB2Px8

 No.53351

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>>53350
>only autobiography of a serial killer ever published

There's a few out there, Panzram's is pretty interesting too.

 No.53426

>>53351
carl assram

 No.53468

>>53351
Can you link to a pdf/ePub of Panzram?
I haven't been able to find it online

 No.53469

>>53468
No, sorry, I read a hard copy years ago.


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