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New thread.
Discuss all weapons.
Keep your bad temper and normie posturing to yourself, please. This is not the martial arts thread.

Armor discussion welcome.

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."


I was rewatching the 1964 BBC WW1 documentary series, 'The Great War; recently and it contains of course a lot stock footage of artillery being operated. Watching the recoil on these heavy guns in that footage got me wondering, how many men got killed and injured just because they weren't paying attention and didn't move out of the way of the recoil? The back end is kicking back in some manner and your body if its in the way isn't going to stop it. I wonder how many shattered limbs and skulls just from bad luck and the recoil of their own heavy weapons.


what's a good self defense knife?


Anything that can fit in a pocket. The best defense is to not let the attacker know you're armed until you want her to.


just go to a gas station, and pick up a weapon.


wouldn't a better strategy be to be blatantly armed to dissuade people from instigating anything? You could still hide secret weapons in case they attack anyway and you want to be tricky.


concealing weapons is against the law anyway unless it's a handgun in a state with no-license carry, or it's an "ordinary pocket knife" (whatever that is) as the stupid laws call them

in my experience of seeing people open-carrying handguns these past 17 years, others in public tend to take a wide berth around them, although it's impossible to know what others are thinking I assume nobody wants to attack or try menacing a man with an obvious handgun in immediate reach

criminals and thugs are usually cowardly like that


I meant to add that I don't know if a knife (I think a large knife) open-carried would have the same intimidation factor but maybe, and you;d rather not get caught concealing that anyway


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34 was todays body count


Isn't that poaching? Or do you buy fly tags by the dozens?




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I quite like the poleaxe and would enjoy owning one or some had I an appropriate yard and the money for a high-quality reproduction or good condition antique.


what would you do with it?


I think it would be fun to swing around and get a feel for it and check out treatises and manuals people wrote through history, besides just displaying it somewhere in home of course. It would be fun I think to practice some proper forms with it, and then rig up some test cutting/striking.


Missile weapons are the first line of defense.


Maybe /dep/ can use this for their *totally real* suicide attempt


I only take exploding instructions from an experienced suicide bomber.


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I use FIST


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Check out his staff skills


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it's almost ten years since i bought one of those under-$20 cold steel fixed blade knives for everyday carry with the stainless steel, plastic handle and nylon sheath, it's been fun having a weather proof knife that i don't need to worry about rusting or how it looks but also know it's high quality

I would buy it all over again


Would benefit from even a minor guard I think, they resemble kitchen knives at first glance. But pretty cool for under 20 bucks and weather proof no nonsense is nice.


I wish they still made huge folding knives like over 7" blades like centuries ago in the OP pic, I started making one and got halfway until my mom's relentless bullshit fucked up my entire year

I thought about digging the parts out and finishing it, iirc the blade is 13" from a W2 nicholson file, I never made a folder before and figured why not go big

it would've been a badass EDC


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Is armor allowed here?


larp foam isn't armor


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the cold steel GI tanto seems to be an underrated knife, I've owned a lot of knives but this model is very hard hitting for its blade length, one time I used it to chop a big tree branch a storm knocked down

the blade isn't very long or thick (1/8th inch) but the width gives it a lot of sectional density to cleave deeply, it has always felt like a short bowie honestly, I paid $26 for it back in the day but last I looked they're still priced at around that, for a self defense knife it's a great bargain, like if you're a poor neet

I made mine a real sheath and rosewood handle because the old-model cord wrapped grip was useless, the new model has a full size grip though and zytel sheath iirc


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I just bought a 9mm Springfield XD-M 4.5" a week or so ago.
It's made in Croatia and can hold 20 rounds (19+1)

Haven't used it yet because I'm pretty sure I know how to use it after watching youtube videos.

idk, I'm sure if the time ever comes it'll be fine


Is that the actor that played Darth Maul in SW:E1?


>I'm sure if the time ever comes it'll be fine

The time ever comes for what?


for the things that happen while living in ghetto parts of the USA


go to a gun range


I wish it were possible to have a collapsible spring loaded steel staff that is not super heavy or a piece of shit, that'd be some goku power pole stuff

I always wanted the power pole

pinterest was running an ad at me for the "MAGIC BO" or whatever with fancy looking kung fool action of weebs waving around this 4' long "self defense" staff that collapses to the size of a small tylenol bottle, when I investigated the thing it showed a cutaway and the tubes must have been like 1/100th on an inch diameter, god, you might as well carry a wet paper towel tube for defense

iirc they were demanding $50 + shipping


It's not a weapon and it has long been a prop for magic tricks.
You would think a wizard would know that.

Anyway they have bo that kinda work like the police batons if you want some that can actually hit stuff. They are still pretty big but the go from jo size to bo size. It's as close as you are getting to what you want.


it was being advertised as a weapon
>You would think a wizard would know that.
not sure how being a male virgin means I should know about vegas stage magic


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I wanted a bullpup that accepted stanag magazines for a while and settled on the Type 97 NSR Gen 3 as the cheapest option. There's whispers that Norinco is phasing off selling rifles to us so better now than never. The Type 81 I bought last year was apparently the last batch and has already doubled in price on the used market so if I don't beat this up too bad it might be a return investment. Should be here by Thursday.


I was just thinking about norinco yesterday, that's weird. Specifically their clones of other companies' stuff. Are they as good as (I used to hear) people say? I haven't been a gun person in 20 years.


tl;dr: Their clones range from bad BUT cheap to good AND cheap, but in the last decade there has been an emergence of European cloners that make a better product for occasionally cheaper prices.

Norinco is big in Canada precisely for their clones. I have their M305 (M14 SOCOM clone) and it's great. It was made with the original US tooling. It's quite literally rough around the edges though. There's residual milling spurs and some of their own magazines are tight fitting, but it's a solid accurate shooter. It was $600 new. The next cheapest M14 on the market was I think a Springfield Armoury version that cost near $2,000.

From Norinco I have a 12" sxs coach gun, an 11.5" 1887 sawed-down clone. and an SKS from them too. They're all crap, the store selling me them even said they were crap and reviews by other owners say the same.

The SXS got stuck closed on me twice due to poor milling of the extractor. The foregrip/takedown mechanism is wiggly. The cocking portion of the hammers is thin and smooth while the chamber edges are that distinct Chinese milling sharp. There's a concerning amount of headspace between the chambers and back plate too. A 12" SXS is something that idiotss like me would want but couldn't make themselves because >laws, so Norinco answered by making one and pricing it fairly for what it is. They make a full length version that's somehow $20 cheaper.

The SKS gas tube cover and locking mechanism popped off the first shot and won't stay down, and has a few millimeters of play when locked in place. The stock was cracked from factory. This was milsurp though so it was a diceroll. They offer A-Grade and even Honour Gaurd versions but a good Russian SKS is still the same price.

The 1887 is, again, sharp like a knife on contact points and despite being designated the "T" model (for "Terminator") they package it with the standard lever design that breaks your fingers if you try to cock it with one hand, which is also made of edges sharp enough to tear flesh. It too was 1/3rd the price of American reproductions of the same gun+configuration.

The Type 81 is a crap gun no matter who made it. It's only a discussion piece because there's just 20 in the whole US. Norinco imported it to Canada under their poorly reputed Polytech subsidiary for some reason. It looks like an AK from a distance which is why it's hot shit up here and admittedly why I bought it, and while on paper it is more advanced and modern than a standard AK-47, the machining on the things lack any refinement. The barrels are ALL bent at the receiver by up to a whole degree, the sight adjustment is sticky and painful, anything that needs to be operated with fingers is small and sharp beyond usability with gloves or in the cold, the folding stock is rattly, the standard stock has no cheekage, and they left the grenade launcher on despite no grenades ever being produced for it. It begs to be cleaned after every outing because there's no dust cover safety like on the AK, and it's possible to sort of softlock the whole firing mechanism when attempting to dryfire it safely by guiding the bolt forward with the trigger pulled, preventing operation or takedown until you shove a punch down the action to reset the hammer. That might be the case for a lot of guns though.

I've also shot much a Norinco 1911 clone and a Remington 870 clone. They were both good across the board, but there are nicer clones of either model everywhere by Eastern Euro manufacturers. Norinco offered a retro AR-15 CQC package that was also priced at around $600 CAD that was well reviewed. They just came out with a Winchester M1897 clone that is also selling out at a third of the price for an American reproduction, and actually maintains the distinctive barrel shroud that Western MFGs charge a bit for.

Much of this is likely irrelevant to what you hear about them though. Norinco notoriety in the West came from their absurdly affordable models of RPG-7s and assorted HMGs that they were (legally) selling to civilians. Whether it was in the name of safety and quality regulation or due to pressure from US manufacturers, the US wasn't going to take that shit from China so they shut them out. Canada on the other hand seems to be owned by China for the most part, so Chinese active service battle rifles like my Type 81 and 97 were silently exempt from the long ban list of "military" guns such as antique single-shot .50 cals and "evil" looking long pistols like the CZ Scorpion EVO.


you own a sawed-off? those are illegal
wait don't I remember there's an ATF exemption for pre-1900s shotgun designs even if they're breechloaders? is that the deal?

big if true


In Canada, SBS are legal and non-registered so long as they're 26" OAL. In the case of the coach gun and the lever action, their OAL exceeds 26" despite their short barrel length. The quirk about this though is that the barrel has to be made short from the factory. If you have a 35" OAL with a 20" barrel and saw even 1" off the barrel, that becomes an illegal barrel despite the OAL being legal. If you saw the stock off completely and have just a barreled action that still exceeds a 26" OAL, then that is fine. Buying a barrel that was made short from the start - as in no modification to the length after it left the factory - you can replace the longer barrel on a shotgun with this factory short version legally, again so long as it meets OAL requirements. If you want to go deep, a licensed gunsmith may shorten, test, and safety approve a barrel and sell it, or if in doing so he lowers the OAL of his gun below 26", he may register the whole package as a restricted firearm and sell it to a restricted license holder.

>pre-1900s shotgun designs

Not sure how it is in the states but up here, (most) guns with a manufacture date before 1898 is considered an antique firearm which puts it on the same legal level as an airsoft gun from the hardware store. If it's a reproduction like the 1887 I have that was made in china 3 years ago, then it's not technically an antique. Unless it's a flintlock or wheellock black powder firearms in which case replicas of models preceding 1897 are often considered non-firearms.

If i sawed off my barrels illegally of course I wouldn't rush to FBIchan 2020 to blog about it



every time I look a new "tactical" sword comes out and it's spring tempered and they make it a big selling point, about how it's so soft you can bend it into a U shape, you might as well get a $10 machete then

they do make some nice looking and affordable designs these days
but the extreme softness sucks


Wait, are they saying "you can force it into a U shape and it will return to true" or "it can easily be bent into a U it's so flexible"? Spring temper is about it being able to flex under stress and return to true instead of getting a set bend or snapping, it's not supposed to be about it being soft.


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>"you can force it into a U shape and it will return to true"
they're saying that part, the thing is though that's necessarily soft, like 45HRC soft, the level of hardness that springs get tempered down to, or a good flexible wood saw, they're obviously thicker/stiffer than a wooden hand saw but just as soft, that means poor edge holding


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this is a hand -and-a-half short sword (23" blade) and scabbard I made, even though swords are pretty weak weapons, I wanted to do something more complicated than usual, and some parts like distal tapering the blade after it was hardened were nasty work, I made a sling so it hangs vertically in front of my shoulder and wore it around my house the last couple days but I felt like an idiot so now it's just gonna sit in my room and collect dust, if trouble ever comes knocking I'll just grab my hammer or bat or something

blunt weapons are really great and underappreciated, everyone thinks swords are superior somehow but it doesn't take cutting a person to stop an attack when a broken arm/leg will do that, and without getting STD infected blood on you, and swords generally can't cut through most clothes anyway

I always wanted a miniature tetsubo, I think those are called kanabo iirc, if it were light enough and about 30-36" you couldn't ask for any better large weapon and it'd be practically indestructible


Wow very nice.
Your sword should be extremely effective against anyone without medieval armor, wiz. Just don't cut, stab. Stabbing someone center of mass will stop their attack far better than a club. The problem with a blunt weapon is that it requires speed and that generally means you'll need space, and winding your weapon will give them a chance to avoid your attack. A quick succession of jabs with a sword is probably difficult to avoid or counterattack unless they were already expecting to fight a medieval knight. Even then, most people will be to afraid to press closer if you are wielding a sword, whereas a club won't be as intimidating.


Just drawing a sword requires space, so in whatever situation where there's limited space and would hinder a large blunt weapon, it would hinder a sword …. it's a non-issue. On avoiding a swing by anything, it may be possible if your opponent's weapon is so long or heavy that it takes "winding" and telegraphs the direction that he'll swing it in. That's another non-issue with light, short weapons. Generally weapons in the 20"-36" range and 1 to 2 1/2 lbs in the hands of a man of average strength can be swung faster than normal human reflexes can respond to. This is physics and has nothing to do with martial arts by the way.

A person can continue functioning for up to 30 seconds even if his heart is stabbed or shot through and stops beating, it doesn't guarantee stopping an attack. Also, stabbing a wild normie is just another way to get splashed with gonorrhea and herpes blood. You're seriously better off with bear mace than any object where the plan is to stab a would-be attacker.


Stabbing a wild norp in the heart/lung will stop them faster than breaking their arm, that much is guaranteed.
>That's another non-issue with light, short weapons. Generally weapons in the 20"-36" range and 1 to 2 1/2 lbs in the hands of a man of average strength can be swung faster than normal human reflexes can respond to.
Yes, strikes can be done so quickly enough and with little enough telegraphing that it would be unavoidable if you didn't expect it, but most people will predict attacks based on other smaller telegraphs that happen before the swing itself. I'm sure you've been watching Skallagrim/Lindybeige et al since you know about strike telegraphing, and I'm sure you've heard them explain that it's not possible to have no telegraphing but it is possible to minimize it.
In any case, I just said that a stab with a sword would be better than swinging a mace for a close quarters home invasion situation in which there likely wouldn't be enough room to safely use typical slicing strikes.
>You're seriously better off with bear mace than any object where the plan is to stab a would-be attacker.
Probably, I don't know enough about how quickly it can disable an enraged norp.


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Can anybody identify what type of sword this is exactly? It resembles Oakeshott type XIIIa to me but I am not totally educated on swords.


Irish hand and half? The pommel looks round enough

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