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 No.28499[View All]

It makes me sad that anime from the early 2000s have already faded into obscurity, and discussion has all but died off on imageboards and forums. I see maybe one short-lived thread per year about tsukihime on all the imageboards I lurk. Do younger fans of anime just not like the style of 2000s stories?
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 No.28631

It could've been a bittersweet thread where we talked about all the stuff we did like and it's mostly gone now but I guess all it takes for a thread to go downhill into shit is a couple of retards who can't agree with each other over a non-issue. Cool.

 No.28633

>>28631
Well, to be frank the thread itself is a non-issue. Why do you care if something you like and enjoy is trendy or not among normans?
It's not like that stuff is gone. It's not like there are no torrents nor enough enthusiasts seeding older titles, even obscure ones. What exactly is your/OPs problem? That an average 18yo casual with a dozen titles worth of experience doesn't know about your favorite anime from 2 decades ago?

 No.28637

>>28635
>you keep going on about how modern anime is so varied and fulfills any niche
For like 5th time: it's varied in comparison to how it used to be. The whole discussion started around the comparison of the 80s anime industry to the modern one, yet you keep speaking in absolutes.
And no, not literally any niche of course, but most - yes. If there is not enough of something you personally seek it means there is not enough demand for that, so either invest in it or consider shifting to a different medium.

Btw I don't watch ongoings until they're fully aired, so I can't tell you anything about the current season beyond what you yourself can see in the charts. There have however been lots of various scifi and cyberpunk titles appearing during last several years, and if we're speaking modern anime in general (since 2000) then outright tons (from GiTS to Psycho-Pass and beyond). Biopunk? I don't know - does stuff like Gargantia, Parasyte and Killing Bites count? Technically it should.

 No.28641

>>28635
Objection!
isekai and fantasy was popular back then too. It was just in a slightly different form for a slightly different demographic.
Surely you know of escaflonae and innuyasa (yes I know I spelled both wrong, fuck it you know what I mean). Of spirited away and .hack.

It is a old sub-genera with a new coat of paint.

 No.28644

>>28640
>most fall into the same few genres
More like around 10 genres, and in combinations that didn't exist decades ago.
>I'm asking you to give examples of how varied modern anime is
I've given you examples of how varied it is compared to the past. And you act as if I'm trying to prove it is varied in some absolute sense. Compare any season from the 80s with any present-day one and you'll see for yourself.
If you're burned up on anime or cannot find a show with some narrow set of themes you like, that's your problem, not the industries.
What's more, I bet you hardly even watched any of those 80s shows you glorify, otherwise you would bring examples of your own. But you cannot - the most people like you can muster is comparing some high-budget OVA or a Miyazaki movie to a random modern low-budget TV show.

>>28641
I wouldn't call early 2000s "back then".

 No.28697

>>28641
Yes, it existed- but it wasn't the only thing created in the fantasy genre. Literally every fantasy anime that comes out now is some variant of isekai or rpg simulator. Some are quite good, like Made in Abyss, but the stale quality of using this formula endlessly is tiresome. It's like Western super hero movies; it's just overdone.

 No.28698

>>28633
I come to imageboards to talk about my hobby. It is a problem if there is basically no one left who actually talks about it.
inb4 but you don't need to talk to people about your hobby
then why are you here

 No.28734

>>28579
This is the truth. They don't even put effort into animes anymore. Look at goblin slayer, it is an almost perfect 1.1 copy of the manga and this fucks up the show. Scenes that work in the manga don't work in the anime. The only good episode is number 2 thus far, and it also happens to deviate from the manga the most. It shows the director could make a proper adaptation, but just choses the easy way out, since no one cares if its good or not. It's just an ad for the manga/light novel.

 No.28744

>>28734
The way anime production works these days is basically load up on as much work as possible, then phone in on the stuff you don't like as a sort of silent protest meanwhile put all your serious work into the stuff you do like. This is why they do things like take multi-year deals with netflix for many shows instead of one show here or there. They want to work in the industry for the rest of their lives and it's a very discouraging work and always has been. The professionals these days know that no one will care about Goblin Slayer or Slime Tensei but they have to make it anyways because they always go where the audience wants them to no matter what in japan.
Notice that the seiyuus are very consistent in their performance on show to show basis. This is because they are unionized and have rankings, they are workhorses and function on output. The rest of the industry isn't much different, some shows are made like people make shirts, some shows are actually made for artistic purpose.
Through careful viewing you can see certain director's calling cards and personal flair here and there, but most of the time they really just want to maximize output.
If the japanese really like something, you get animation like One-Punch Man. They didn't have more budget, they just cared more, same with Mob Psycho 100.
If they really wanted to, they could cut the number of shows in half and double the production quality, but that isn't how they believe business should be done. It's the harmony aspect in play, and it's one of the reasons why we're able to get adaptations of series that normally would never see the light of day like Chio-chan's School Road and they get a lot of passion put into the animation.
Saying they don't put effort in is wrong by default, they have to work up to a standard. It's just that to exceed that standard, you either need to be in one of the more passionate studios like P.A Works/Trigger or simply not be doing a million projects like J.C staff does.
Since Cygames and Netflix entered the industry and demanded a bit more quality, the standards of every show grew higher along with the ability to acquire new technology, but that still doesn't inspire artists.
Look at Annoying Lolicon Maid this season. Lots of passion. Why? Because it's a story that speaks directly to anime fans. Meanwhile the worst show of the season is the sister anime, which has the worst quality standard I've seen on any TV anime in years. Perhaps on purpose, given that the LN art is so well done and the OP is stylish.

 No.28841

Maybe we could dedicate the thread to some of the underappreciated series of this era. I'm currently watching The Soultaker, a series directed by Akiyuki Shinbo, the guy who is now "famous" for directing pretty much every major Studio Shaft series. It's actually the second time I'm watching it as the first time I tried it out, I dropped it after 2 episodes or so due to its confusing nature. I've seen most of Shinbo's directorial works by now and I'd say that this is by far the trippiest and most surreal-looking of them all so I'd highly recommend it to people who like the visual direction of Shaft shows.
The series seems to be disliked by a lot of people online who do know of it and that might be attributed to aforementioned confusion but I'd say it's one of the more original and experimental anime I've watched in quite some time. That's the main appeal of early-to-mid 2000s anime for me; there were a lot of shows back then that dared to stray away from both conventional artstyles and story concepts that are common to the anime medium as a whole. They often tried out western-looking visual styles yet still used a type of fluid animation that you'd never see in western works. The visual style of the show seems to take some inspiration from that of the Hellboy comics for example.

 No.28843

>>28841
The Soultaker is definitely different. Still it was popular enough to get a spin-off Nurse Witch Komugi-chan which is comedy and a lot of fun, much easier to understand too.
Series like The Soultaker that are experimental are usually the director's ego going full throttle. I think Shinbo said that he regretted it. Artists when young can definitely make whacky stuff, but as they age and work professionally they tend to try to be more simple and focused. I have no doubt Shinbo could do something even more amazing and experimental these days, like even look at Nisekoi and how he made such a simple show have great visual appeal.
"Underappreciated" titles:
Thunderbolt Fantasy(puppets, but extremely tight direction and great writing by the urobutcher) is fantastic. I don't think I've seen a show that nailed a new medium from another country so well and so quickly, even though it's not 2D the conventions used are about the same. Very fun show to watch, season 2 is airing now too.
Sakura Quest or anything by P.A Works(except Glasslip) is excellent recently. Especially Kuromukuro, the choreography and mech design felt fresh to the genre even though the series itself is a kind of a mashup of every anime P.A Works has ever done(as it was their 20th anniversary project). Lacked focus, but I think that people who enjoy anime in general can appreciate it for what it tried to do.
There's Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight, which finished last season and is Utena with actors and less mystery. I think the director worked under the Utena guy, which explains why they feel so similar. The direction is a bit more clear to the viewer, I think the problem with Utena guys stuff like Yuri Kuma Arashi is that there this mystifying aura I've felt watching it, like the story half doesn't want you to understand whats going on and half does, that's a wonderful series too though for the execution of the concept.
I think Yuru Camp, Princess Principal, and Release the Spyce(so far) qualify as well, tight new shows that don't break conventions but had me thinking they were expanding it.
I feel like I should also mention Shoujo-tachi wa Kouya wo Mezasu/Sakurada Reset/Buta Yarou(this season. All of them have a similar more mature look back at high school, and all of them suffered from being adapted to anime yet still manage to be interesting visually maintain that literary quality.
I also thought about mentioning Island last season, but I think that's more decent than underappreciated.

 No.28845

>>28843
When I said "this era" I referred to the early 2000s as that was what the thread was originally about. Not sure why you're bringing up all of these seasonal shows.

 No.28855

>>28843
>>28845
Also, most of the shows you mentioned are either mediocre or outright bad. Yuru Camp is one of the ugliest-looking anime I have seen in recent years. Visuals are often one of the major appealing factors of slice of life anime as it can either make or break the comfy atmosphere it's going for, good examples are Non Non Biyori and Mushishi which both have very nicely looking landscapes to match the slow pace. Another beautiful SOL series was Gochuumon Wa Usagi Desu Ka which is set in a town with tradional European architecture and if I recemember correctly, was actually based off a real existing town on the border of France and Germany.
I don't see why everyone has been praising it online as one of the comfiest anime ever made when pretty much every popular SOL series that came before it does everything YC does 10 times better. I seems to me, based on every online conversation I have with people who enjyo modern-day anime, that seasonal anime watchers just base their standards on how recently a show came out rather than its actual quality. People are not afraid to shittalk shows from the 90s like Eva and nitpick every single flaw it has yet when another one of these new shows that look like they were made on a shoestring budget like Yuru Camp come out, it gets "hyped up" by every normalfag online.

 No.28874

>>28855
Haven's watched YC yet, but I'd say people who sing praises to it probably started watching anime very recently and thus don't have much to compare it with.

 No.28875

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>>28855
What's ugly about Yuru Camp drawing? Can't address your critique of less detailed landscape, but I find the character design pleasantly sharper, bolder and fresh compared to the tidy but too rounded, glossy and typical early-2010s Non Non Biyori visuals that you mention.

 No.28876

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>>28875
I don't understand how anyone can think this looks good.

 No.28877

Can't really find anything wrong with the Yuru Camp visuals, but it was still one of the most forgettable anime I've seen.
>"We're gonna need a K-On, this time with camping"
>Coming right up
Presto, Yuru Camp.

 No.28878

>>28855
>Seasonal anime watchers.
I think that's literally it. Back in the day weebs were dedicated, now the hobby is popular enough that userbase is also seasonal. You hear praise from retards which haven't seen more than 10 series probably, then they drop the hobby, then you hear praise about something else that's airing right now by some other, new retards.

 No.28879

>>28875
>pleasantly sharper, bolder and fresh
You must prefer modern art over tradional painting as well. It looks like there's no love put into it, it looks gloomy and boring and as I already said, lacks detail. It's like they created a CG model and just drew over it.
>>28876
Is that supposed to be ironic? Because I still think that looks very mediocre compared to other anime who make use of natural landscape shots. I also hate it when the art of the character(s) doesn't match the background at all.

 No.28880

I have watched many anime with camping in it but never a anime that was actually specifically about camping.
As much as I personally like camping watching other people camp, including anime people, still comes off as boring unless there is something more to it that I am not getting.

 No.28882

>>28880
As with most anime it's highly niche and the main reason you'd get into the series is to see the succubi being cute and the japanese voice acting.
I think in a few seasons we'll be talking about Yuru Camp like we talk about Non non biyori, but I don't think most wizards will understand why. It's good anime, that's why, notable title and well-executed like Two Car. It's sad how many people don't care about Two Car, I feel bad for Announcer and her partner with the sex voice.
>>28845
because
>underappreciated series of this era
>>28855
Yuru Camp is highly similar to Usagi in many respects, Usagi had better comedy and character but it was also done by Kinema Citrus who is simply much more experienced with Kirara titles so the comparison is unfair. Yuru Camp had excellent detail and direction, it's sad that wizards here are dismissing it as if it is something popular. It's still undoubtedly amazing work, though of course because new watchers to anime have never seen something quality before they will immediately rave about it as they are 13 years old or immature.
>most of the shows you mentioned are mediocre or outright bad

Your list of notable works then? I fully expect something right out of MAL. Do you even like anime, or are you watching it so you can shit on it and feel superior?

 No.28885

>>28879
I prefer 2000s. Yuru character shapes remind more of traditional Japanese paintings btw.

 No.28953

Early 2000s is my personal favourite era of Japanese animation. I've made it a vow to go back and visit all those titles that have been seemingly forgotten, these days it's all that I go to in between the seasonal stuff. I really enjoy the aesthetic of the early 2000 stuff. To me, there is something special about the blurry, low DVD definition early digital animation. In addition to this during that time period works had a melancholic feeling to them, perhaps as a result of the economic crash that took place a few years before then that was mentioned in this thread? A great example of what I'm referring to would be all the 'ABe' anime, such as Niea_7, Texhnolyze, Haibane Renmei, SEL too, of course. However that one was still made on the cel technology, I think it still has the cheap, flat look but quite more defined. The aesthetic, and the 'melancholic' feeling is still there.

I think being able to appreciate this forgotten media is kind of great. Of course, it hasn't been that long since then and there's a lot more things that have just straight up vanished throughout history but the trend has moved on. It's kind of like going into a convenience store really late at night and being the only person there. It's a good feeling

 No.28959

I've accepted it. These are only mediums for entertainment, and now, "seasonal anime" is a thing. It's not really being treated as an artform, but as an anime, as it is. You watch it, you like or hate it, then you forget it. These anime are no more special than each other for most people, so they're just forgotten.

I think people want new things and don't want to dwell on old things. Anime from 2000 is very old.

 No.28974

>>28841
i've been meaning to watch soultaker since i really enjoyed nurse witch komugi-chan. that being said, the idea that shinbo actually directs at shaft is a misconception, he hasn't directed anything in more than a decade. he's pretty much just the "face" of shaft, if you want to know who the actual directors of a shaft show are, look for the series director. shinbo is closer to a supervisor.

 No.28975

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>>28959
anime from 2000 was seasonal, "seasonal anime" has been a thing since the 80s. sure, there's more 1-cour shows now, but that's more a result of the industry being proportionally bigger.

 No.28976

>>28975

ah, I see. So this normie thing has been a problem since the 1980s…

aha, just kidding. Maybe seasonal anime isn't too bad after all. Honestly, I just think treating anime or shows like seasonal things is kinda silly. Still, you probably on't see masterpieces or shows that impact you in a meaningful way very much.

These shows are meant to make money and tell a story. I don't think they're meant to stay around for a long time.

It's still good to get something happy for once though. I don't mind being wrong when the news is happy.

Also generating this post on zero hours of sleep. Sorry if it's incoherent.

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 No.28979

>>28976
Problem with long running anime is they're even less likely to be meaningful. Mainly due to source material - Manga are ran until people stop reading them enough. Same with LNs. So the story just goes on and on until it becomes unpopular enough to have an ending made for it. You can have meaningful stories in them but they tend to not wrap up at all since the characters are what keeps people reading. This is the vast majority and would happen to long running original anime too.

I love having shit like Hisomaso, Sakura quest, Shirobako, Himote house, and the anime originals that come out every season. They're great. Even if they aren't they at least make an attempt at a whole story rather than 'see you next week oh wait we got cancelled'. Let's not forget Ping Pong the animation.

There are exceptions of course, like Kaiba which told a complete story while being an adaptation, and so on, but having shorter anime seasons means that anime are kept tight and to the point, even if there's a lot of similarity.

 No.28983

>>28976
It isn't so much about treating it as a seasonal thing as it is just convenient period for industry to just start new shows at certain point of the year. Especially now that most anime is just 12 episodes.

 No.29387

Sorry I didn't really know where to posts this but I found this cool video with 30 minutes of anime trailers from VHS

 No.31784

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>>29387
Will 2020 anime have nostalgia value in the future?

 No.31785

>>29387
How is it possible to have this much soul? It's like it was made by real humans instead of fake humans today.

 No.31786

>>31785
because it's all done by hand and has character, and a style you grew up with, but make no mistake in 30 years people will say the same about current anime

 No.31799

>>29387
I just happened to watch his latest video which was about a piece of lost media that a fan of him owned and send to him. It's weird to think of these kind of pieces of media that are lost in time and will probably never be seen by people in the west or by people from this era in general.

 No.31817

Video succubus Ai doesn't make sense anymore in a world where VHS is dead.

 No.32152

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Animation should sell the action

 No.32192

>>31817
It's one of the best piece of animation I've ever watched.

 No.32219

>>31799
sure they can, hell outside of japan no one knew that shadow skill 1999 existed, no info on the net or anything

 No.32268

>>32219
I tried my hardest to find it back in the early 2000s but gave up.
Heard about it on old obscure forums.
So I knew it existed, just also knew I would never get to see it (at the time). When I finally did see it I was more then a little disappointed that it was a short comedy OVA.

 No.34404

>>32152
SF3 RYU's Joudan Sokutogeri

 No.34411

Unfortunately op-pic has spoiled tsukihime for me as I have only recently finished arcueid routes. Can't see much appeal in his works to be honest, I've even read 3 KNK before starting and it was hit-or-miss. Maybe one day, when memories of when they cry start to fade, I'll finish this doujin work. Some songs they remade for tsukihime made me cry, but not any emotional peaks or words, sadly. Anyways, hope to enjoy it one day.

 No.34416

Yeah, I prefer anime from the 90s the most and I know what you mean. The people who watched it years ago and discussed it on forums have all but gotten tired of discussing it (when they still may love it) and a lot of younger people are just watching new anime to be "multicultural" or "staying with the trends" not that they actually enjoy the medium itself or they actually value japanese culture and people. There are literally thousands of better anime out there than the shit thats been coming out and they end up watching garbage.

 No.34420

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>>34416
what are some of the most obscure must see shows from the 90s for you? feel like I've seen everything that looks interesting to me, and it's honestly hard to get some good recommendations in the sea of choices

 No.34422

>>34420
Well, I don't know about very "obscure" anime but shit that wasn't very popular. The irresponsible captain tylor, record of lodoss war, requim from the darkness, Battle Angel Alita, and dirty pair flash were in my opinion pretty good. I once have watched this one youtube channel with an old man reviewing anime on youtube and can't for the life of me remember what it was called and youtubes algorithm is so shit I may never be able to find it again. Anyway, I hope I was helpful

 No.34423

>>34422
Was it Grumpy Jii san? If so, then I'm sorry to say that he's probably passed away by now.

 No.34425

>>34423
Yup that's it. Thanks bro

 No.34444

>>34422
I really liked Alita and the Dirty Pair movie, I will check out the rest, thank you!

 No.34445

>>34444
You are welcome. Here's torrents for the complete series for all of them
https://nyaa.si/view/1243294
https://nyaa.si/view/1240004
https://nyaa.si/view/1153528

 No.34446

>>28875
Totally lackluster


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