Younger fans watch what's relevant to them (newer stuff), and with time things you like eventually fade into obscurity.
Not old enough to be retro, not new enough to be relevant.
Post something fate related from modern times for comparison.
Man, so an entire era of anime is basically over and forgotten now? I remember being younger and thinking that period of anime was going to be remembered forever, like it was really important.
What is happening to that succubus?
She realized that she doesn't have free will and has been created with only one purpose: to be the food of which the solitary habit of thousands of otakus feeds off.
Most people nowadays watch anime just to be part of some online conversation and be relevant as >>28500
said. But it seems there are also people who are new to anime who just outright refuse to watch older stuff, be it from the 2000s or 90s because they're too used to how it looks and is written now.
It is pretty depressing to know that even major stuff like Lain and Eva (the original series) will be all but forgotten in maybe a decade or so.
It's inside his head.
So much stuff comes out each season now that a lot of people who weren't into anime culture during the early 00s never have the time to explore the time besides maybe a few of the most popular titles from that time.
You think it was important because you likely grew up watching it. Everyone thinks the media they grew up watching was. It's why 90s kids complaining about modern cartoons became a meme after a certain point.>>28513
Lain and Eva most certainly won't be forgotten. Lain is the poster child for "super weird and incomprehensible" anime and Eva is still getting shit made for it now (whether or not that shit is good is up to debate).
I guess that's not exactly what I meant. Really, I guess it seems strange that something that is so popular in a community to the point that everyone knows it and watches it would be forgotten in just a decade or so. A decade doesn't feel like long enough of a time for that. Do the tastes of young people really change so quickly?
It's less about people's taste changing but more so that most anime fans are prone to getting "hyped" over something new and again, wanting to be part of some sort of online conversation which is only really possible with newer shows as they haven't been discussed yet. As someone who does not care about being part of any sort of conversation, it does sadden me and I absolutely despise this habit of the majority of anime fans. Just look at how much of a big deal Haruhi was yet now there are lots of people who have never seen it and people seem to have forgotten about it altogether.
It's not even just an anime thing, it's media in general. How many games, songs, shows, etc have been hyped by the majority only to fall into obscurity once it's over and the next 'hype' thing replaces it?
I just don't really hear about any good shows from that time or I would watch them. If you have recommendations for me I'm all ears.
Do your own research
inb4 "do I really have to sift through hundreds and hundreds of titles?"
Yes you do
Popular anime doesn't matter, anime that matters to you matters. If you want social approval for what you like go make youtube videos masturbating about how Hyouka has excellent direction and pacing.
If I were you I'd just spend a couple hours on MAL using advanced search options for the years 2000-2010 and wiki whatever looks interesting
hell they even let you sort by user ratings if you wanna judge what's good based on what other people think
I just want someone to talk to about it. That's why I come to imageboards, after all.
That's because you're a lazy cunt who wants to be spoonfed shows when he can just find some in a few minutes by going to MAL or AniDB. You seriously imply that you've never seen people talk about shows such as Haibane Renmei or Kino's Journey online or instead, that they are bad?
In some sense anime is already dead. I don't miss so much the early 2000s; I think anime ended with the bust of the Japanese economic bubble in the early 90s. Because of the stagnation of the Japanese economy, the overall quality of the shows dropped visibly. In the 70s and 80s Japan had so much money they didn't know what to do with it; therefore they could take risks, they could do expensive things and they wouldn't go bust even if it didn't sell that well. In the 80s there were lots of OVAs being produced each year, mainly original works; nowadays anime studios just stick to popular Light Novels and manga because they rarely want to take the risk of producing something new and original.
I feel like anime nowadays have no "soul". Maybe it's just nostalgia glasses, but you just don't see something like Kiki's Delivery Service in this day and age. Kiki is anime movie basically about "nothing": nothing important really happens, no big bad guy to be defeated, no world to be saved; yet it managed to emanate such a magic atmosphere and sense of wonder. Nowadays we get slices of life where nothing happens and everything is boring anyway; there is no atmosphere and the digital animation is shit anyway.
Some time ago a movie claled "Mary and the Witch Flower" came out, made by former people of Ghibli. It wasn't as good as Kiki (a more conventional story with an antagonist) but it gave off a similar vibe. I'm glad someone is still trying to make anime movies like that, but I think the magic era of the 80s will never come back.>>28533>Just look at how much of a big deal Haruhi was yet now there are lots of people who have never seen it and people seem to have forgotten about it altogether.
Haruhi at least still has a moderately large fanbase. Not as much as Evangelion, but on other imageboards I see people still hoping for a new season of Haruhi.
Now that I think about it, do people obsess about a single show anymore? It seems like they're jumping from flavour of the month to the next one.
I liked Kemono Friends, but it's basically as dead old anime, because everyone moved to Konosuba, Kobayashi Dragon, and probably now everyone will talk about Goblin Slayer.
Do shows even get a following anymore?
>>28570>and the digital animation is shit anyway.
I can't wrap my head around this. Wasn't Japan supposed to be technologically advanced? How come their CGI seems to be stuck in the crappy music videos era?
You've got bad CGI in shows like succubi' Last Tour
and REALLY bad CGI in shows like Berserk.
Pop Team Epic was the only CGI show that was pleasent to look at, but probably because of how simplistic it was. The show was trash too.
Yeah, I've been saying this for a long time on any place where anime is discussed but people just call me an elist or whatever. I've stopped watching anime from this decade (and what will come onwards) completely, I just rewatch my old favourites and stuff from the previous eras I haven't seen yet. I can't bear to watch the same style of LN adaption over and over again. What I don't get though is how the Japanese themselves are okay with it, are there people over there who realise the decline in quality and talk about the good ol' days online and such? It always seemed to me that Japanese anime fans are even more naive and prone to throwing money at anything that remotely resembles anime than their western counterparts. How can they look at the sheer beauty of Ghibli's and old Gainax's animation and still think that today's anime is better?>>28571
No, it doesn't seem like it. Anime are made at such a quick pace and there's so much of it that shows are just being drowned out in a sea of mindless entertainment. We don't get those kind of shows like Haruhi or Lucky Star which people talk about and obsess over for years on end for that reason. I remember when Re;Zero was airing, it was the main subject of all anime discussion online, now it seems like no one even remembers that show. Not that I think it really deserved to be discussed further but the low attention-span of the average anime fan really ticks me off.>>28572>You've got bad CGI in shows like succubi' Last Tour
Yeah, I remember trying it out once because it was talked about so much online as a fantastic series but I dropped it the moment the first episode started with a bunch of ugly CG versions of the main characters, the people behind these series just don't give a fuck about making their shows look presentable in the slightest. I had the same frustation with that remake of Kino's Journey; the original series which was from the early 2000s looks ten times BETTER than a series made 10+ years later. Again, why the fuck do Japanese anime fans let them get away with this?
Yeah, Re;Zero was also something I noticed, but before I would get around to watching it, it was already gone.
And for good reason, those shows really lack quality. They get maybe a 2-3 good episodes, and then they fall flat. Attack on Titan was probably the first show that was a big FoTM. Then One Punch Man, now people move on to next big thing halfway through the season.
It looks so shittily out of place, West and east are pretty similiar in that regard. The Walking Dead has the same quality to following ratio.
Anime is just glorified advertising for existing properties nowadays. Most shows only exist to get people to buy the LN,manga,game,merch,etc. >>28577
TWD's shitty quality is thanks to AMC firing the original producer from the first season, dropping the budget, and hiring someone else who didn't give a fuck iirc. So with that you get nothing but shitty formulaic writing every season and quality like this.
Give it a few years and people will start revisiting 00's anime and younger people will be more introduced to it. At least if the pattern that 80's and 90's anime resurgence in popularity(Is it big as I perceive it to be? Not sure) had continues.
I think there's something awkward about early-mid 00's anime that's a bit too hard for me to revisit, even though I have the most nostalgia for the time period.
Like it was mentioned before, the economics of Japan greatly influences anime. It's why the 80's had the OVA boom.
>>28581>Give it a few years and people will start revisiting 00's anime and younger people will be more introduced to it. At least if the pattern that 80's and 90's anime resurgence in popularity(Is it big as I perceive it to be? Not sure) had continues.
I don't think it's that simple. I don't think that the passing of time will necessarily lead to a resurgence of early 2000s anime. There was never a noticeable resurgence of 70s anime, for example; the anime from the 80s are just objectively better, it's not just nostalgia. It's quite likely that most shows from the early 2000s will simply be forgotten for good.>>28574>I remember when Re;Zero was airing, it was the main subject of all anime discussion online, now it seems like no one even remembers that show.
I think the problem with Re:Zero is of a more fundamental nature; it's not just that anime fans nowadays have a short attention span. Re:Zero started off with a fairly interesting premise; to a certain extent it really deserved the attention it got at the beginning. It was a rather twisted isekai fantasy (maybe too edgy for some people, but whatever) and the concept of "reset" and time travel was used to show off a certain moral relativism: depending on circumstances, people can be either good guys or bad guys. It wasn't bad. The issue is that halfway through Re:Zero became a generic harem anime: threads simply became filled with waifu-wars among Remfags and Emiliafags; the plot went to shit, with Subaru acting like Elliot Rodger (which led to the series being nicknamed "Reee:Zero" in honor of /r9k/) expecting attention from Emilia and anyone else with a pussy between her legs.
People stopped caring about Re:Zero BEFORE the series even ended. Only waifufags remained; all the smart people left early on when Subaru took his crab behavior to the next level.
>>28583>the anime from the 80s are just objectively better
Because the budgets the creators got were astronomically higher back then and competition was way less harsh, allowing for more creative freedom.
Still, the themes were quite limited - mostly mecha/scifi stuff. So, when someone praises 80s anime he is either likes those things, or is a Miyazaki fan.
Afaik the VN is still discussed in Type-Moon fan threads and communities. The adaptation though was hated by most core enthusiasts even back when it aired, so no wonder.
>>28584>Because the budgets the creators got were astronomically higher back then and competition was way less harsh
Budgets surely are important, but they might not be the only issue. Cel animation is no longer a thing; even if you had a lot of money, you wouldn't find a single decent animator who can pull off traditional animation; everyhting is done digitally nowadays, and traditional animation has become mostly a lost art: nobody studies how to do it anymore. We must acknowledge that, so far as anime are concerned, we live in a decadent era nowadays. The Romans knew how to make concrete taht was even better and more durable than modern concrete, but their knowledge was lost after the fall of the Western Roman Empire; by the same token, traditional animation is slowly becoming a lost art that might very well become nearly forgotten in a few decades. We are living in the Middle Ages of anime.
>Still, the themes were quite limited - mostly mecha/scifi stuff.
And the themes nowadays aren't limited? Nearly every anime nowadays is either an isekai fantasy or a battle harem; there isn't much variation. It's a sign of the times: in the 80s people still believed in technology; sci-fi was big because people still dreamed of a better future. Nowadays people just want to escape: that's why isekai fantasy is a popular genre; because it's the epitome of escapism. Anime about virtual reality are similar: technology in that case is used as a means to escape reality, rather than making it better.
>>28587>Cel animation is no longer a thing; even if you had a lot of money, you wouldn't find a single decent animator who can pull off traditional animation; everyhting is done digitally nowadays
When they want to pull off that "100 shade levels" thingy some people apparently have a boner to, they can do it (semi-)digitally just as well. Look at One Punch Man, for example.
>And the themes nowadays aren't limited? Nearly every anime nowadays is either an isekai fantasy or a battle harem; there isn't much variation.
If you pretend to not notice the absolute multitude of genres and niches in modern anime then you are either trolling or don't even check ongoings beyond what's the talk among casuals in the west.
Nothing wrong with escapist themes btw. If anything, they made anime much better. And there are still plenty mecha/scifi/cyberpunk shows being made so it's not like that trend was completely abandoned either, if that's what you're into.
Most succesful shows do try to appear to the waifu crowd, tho. Was it like that back in the day? Did Gundam and shit try that? Because nowadays even Gundam themed anime have waifus
I'm fucking tired of 2D succubi, brahs.
>>28589>Was it like that back in the day?
Kinda. Waifus became a thing since at least Urusei Yatsura (early 80s) when ecchi as a genre was created by Nagai Go.>Did Gundam and shit try that?
Gundam's female characters have quite a lot of erotic fan art for a reason.>I'm fucking tired of 2D succubi
Your problem. There are still lots of shows to accommodate your taste tho, both new and old. Spare some effort to look for them instead of just grabbing what's trendy and then complaining.
>>28588>When they want to pull off that "100 shade levels" thingy some people apparently have a boner to, they can do it (semi-)digitally just as well. Look at One Punch Man, for example.
If you think that is as good as traditional animation, you're delusional. Even a mediocre OVA from the 80s still looked better than that flat digitally colored anime.
>If you pretend to not notice the absolute multitude of genres and niches in modern anime then you are either trolling or don't even check ongoings beyond what's the talk among casuals in the west.
"Multitude" is a bit of a stretch. I'll admit that I was exaggerating when I said everyhting is either isekai or battle harem, but do we really have a multitude of genres? Sure, we have lolicon anime and anime with cow tits, but except for bust size where is the variety you speak of? Let's not pretend that anime nowadays offer anything except what is safe and acceptable. The West is infiltrating the anime industry more and more, and soon enough anime will be as stale and uninspired as Western shows. They're already trying to curb lolicon: the anime of To Love-Ru Darkness never showed Mikan's nipples; in the past, showing the nipples of a prepubescent succubus was never an issue in anime, but now the Japs are espousing Western standards of "decency".
>Nothing wrong with escapist themes btw. If anything, they made anime much better.
Indeed, now we have such masterpieces as Overlord, Isekai Maou, Deathmarch, and all those other power fantasies where the Japs can jerk off thinking about how wonderful it would be to become the most powerful man in the universe, colonize a fantasy world, and have sex with foreign-looking young succubi. I am sure these immortal works of fiction will be remembered for ages to come.
>And there are still plenty mecha/scifi/cyberpunk shows being made so it's not like that trend was completely abandoned either
Who cares about rehashed, unispired crap digitally animated by Vietnamese and Indonesians?
>>28591>but except for bust size where is the variety you speak of?
I was speaking of genres, not fetishes (although that counts too). And there are indeed a lot, some catering to specific niches, others more mainstream-oriented. Even lots of hybridized and meta stuff.
Once again: you either stopped watching new anime a long time ago and just regurgitate stale memes, or judge only by handful titles that are "it" among casuals.>The West is infiltrating the anime industry more and more, and soon enough anime will be as stale and uninspired as Western shows.
Unlikely. It's the Jap government that has been pressuring the anime industry for ages already, and not because of some Western agenda but entirely due to conservatives' concern about demographics and morals. And it's not really about anime or manga itself, rather than what is considered acceptable to show on TV.
>now we have such masterpieces as Overlord, Isekai Maou, Deathmarch
Very different shows in terms of quality.>power fantasies where the Japs can jerk off thinking about how wonderful it would be to become the most powerful man in the universe, colonize a fantasy world, and have sex with foreign-looking young succubi
Literally nothing wrong with that as part of entertainment media or even fantasy genre in particular.>these immortal works of fiction will be remembered for ages to come
Why are you even bothered about something being (not) remembered a long time in the future?
>Who cares about
Many people do apparently, otherwise it wouldn't keep being made.>rehashed, unispired
Very subjective categories.>digitally animated by Vietnamese and Indonesians
Don't get me wrong tho: it's totally fine if you like old shit. However no one's going to stop liking what you don't like, so high time you came to terms with that.
>>28592>I was speaking of genres, not fetishes (although that counts too). And there are indeed a lot, some catering to specific niches, others more mainstream-oriented. Even lots of hybridized and meta stuff.
If you say so. They all look the same to me with just some minor variations. Every isekai fantasy has some gimmick to make it look "unique" and different from the rest; same goes for other genres.
>Unlikely. It's the Jap government that has been pressuring the anime industry for ages already, and not because of some Western agenda but entirely due to conservatives' concern about demographics and morals.
You're crazy if you think the West isn't trying its damn best to influence Japanese culture. They have been at it for years; the UN was even trying to push a ban on lolicon manga claiming that lolicon is harmful for succubi and children but they were countered by female manga artists who claimed that manga are a good way for succubi to have a career and they don't want other people to limit their artistic freedom. For now the Japs may be resisting against the Western agenda, but I doubt it will last. Sure, there are probably many Japs worried about demographics and morals like you claim (as if banning lolicon will magically boost birth rates or curb crime) but they never managed to accomplish much so long as Japanese sub-culture remained relatively isolated from the West. As Otaku culture has started to spread more and more in the West (mainly thanks to the internet) the Japs have started to feel outside pressure. In the pre-internet era the Japs were much more open-minded and tolerant of otaku so long as they kept to their own. Japanese culture draws a clear distinction between your public image and your private hobbies; the idea that we must all be saints is the result of the crypto-calvinism of Protestant Anglo-Saxon societies. Even in the West, non-Protestants have a much more relaxed attitude towards lolicon and similar issues. (In Catholic countries victimless crimes are considered much less seriously than in Protestant countries.)
In later years the Japs have become more sensible to Western expectations because of their shrinking domestic market. Back in the day they didn't give a shit about the opinions of Westerners because otaku culture was first and foremost for the domestic market.
So you never noticed that, as the years went by, the names of the animators in the ending credits of most anime went from Japanese to Korean to Vietanmese to Indonesian?
>However no one's going to stop liking what you don't like
That's just fine. I already said somewhere else in this thread that we live in the Middle Ages of anime. Most people who lived in the Middle Ages never realized that they were living in a period of steady decadence until it was too late. People can keep telling themselves that they have it good and that they watch good shows, it's none of my business. I was merely voicing my opinion about the issue on a niche imageboard populated by a few individuals who may share my view (as the very existence of this thread seems to hint).
>>28581>At least if the pattern that 80's and 90's anime resurgence in popularity(Is it big as I perceive it to be? Not sure) had
Are you implying that that is currently happening? Because I'm not really noticing that. The only shows from the 90s that are still frequently being talked about and celebrated online are Cowboy Bebop and Serial Experiments Lain but that's most likely because the former was just always that popular due to it introducting many westerners to anime and the latter tends to attracts fans of cyberpunk media. But I don't really see people talk about more obscure stuff like Lodoss tou Senki or something.>>28584
I'd rather watch mecha shows with well-animated action sequences than more of these boring harem romcoms where characters just stand around talking every episode like we've got now. You're delusional if you think we have diverse themes nowadays, the modern anime industry is making parodies of parodies. Every fucking season we have romcom isekais, highschool romcoms and maybe another Madoka Magica copycat for the edgelords.
Not him but yeah, I'm a faggot so I notice that waifu garbage really easily and it pisses me off (reminds me of annoying normals from school that wouldn't stfu about succubi), I just can't stop rolling my eyes every time it happens and honestly, it has ruined animes that would have been perfect without it. It's actually really hard to find anime that doesn't have waifu pandering, new or old, but I know I've watched some shoujo stuff that basically didn't feature females whatsoever or the females are actually just normal people which was refreshing
You might want to look into Josei manga while you're at it. For the last couple of years I've been going through a bunch of stories published by Cocohana and now wonder why I neglect it for so long. It really has completely different sensibilities.
>>28593>the West isn't trying its damn best to influence Japanese culture
Oh it is trying of course, but so far Japan doesn't give any significant fucks about it, especially when there's no money to be made. Sure: if, say, a huge (like, VERY huge) number of SJWs/feminazis decided to invest into some studio to make a show catering to their ideas and it would make profit, then yeah. But we all know that's not gonna happen - those people can only virtue-signal but they never care about the target medium and thus never intend to spend their own money on the end result (which is demonstrated by SJW Marvel comicbooks failing miserably and getting cancelled). The difference is that western media are apparently more susceptible to this bullshit and ventures whereas jap ones would never risk something that is not guaranteed to bring profit and can turn away already existing fans to boot.
>So you never noticed that, as the years went by, the names of the animators in the ending credits of most anime went from Japanese to Korean to Vietanmese to Indonesian?
I do in fact read the credits (mostly for kanji practice) - Koreans and some Chinese are indeed in business (more menial tasks are outsourced to them afaik), but seriously thinking that everything is drawn/animated by them is sheer lunacy.
>people who lived in the Middle Ages never realized that they were living in a period of steady decadence until it was too late. People can keep telling themselves that they have it good and that they watch good shows, it's none of my business. I was merely voicing my opinion about the issue on a niche imageboard populated by a few individuals who may share my view
If you really think ranting about "muh golden 80s" is something rare or unique or "non-normalfag", you are indeed delusional. Comparing the most successful and budget-heavy works from the 80s to random modern stuff and making conclusions about modern anime being shit has been a favorite pastime of groid "reviewers" and trolls for at least a decade already. Just because your normalfag "friends" on social networks (or whatever you kids use these days) are fans of some trendy shows doesn't mean the cynical hipsterish show-offs on the other side of the fandom are somehow less norman.
Yeah, how about you actually take a look at the currently airing shows. All of them, not just the first several.https://www.livechart.me/fall-2018/tv>>28598>I'm a faggot
Thanks for being honest.
I din't say a word about "unique and amazing". All I said is there are currently way more genres and niches than it used to be. Which is clearly obvious if one cares to actually look instead of being a memelord.
I understand your attention span is likely barely existent but come on - the link I've given you even has the genres listed for each show.
From this season alone you can see that in addtions to fantasy, shounen and SoL shows that you hate there are some mecha ones, some "non-moe" stuff (Golden Kamuy and Kaiji spin-off), sports, shoujo, romcoms, drama, etc.
It's as if you're just too lazy to even look for stuff to watch and would rather justify it by shitting on the industry as a whole. But whatever - your loss, as far as I'm concerned. It's not like I'll be watching less after someone on the internet tells me "le anime is le shit" for like a 1000th time.
hol'up my good man. What?
OP here, I didn't know they made an adaptation. When did it come out?
You were talking about anime in the OP.
Once again: my point was the is more genre and thematic variety that modern anime offers in compared to how to used to be decades ago. Partially due to the fact that there is way more being aired per season to begin with. So literally take a random season chart from the 80s and from present day and see for yourself.
Anyway, keep not being able to enjoy things. Probably sucks.
SoLs became a thing in early 2000s.
Many genre combinations also appeared relatively recently.
All in all, current anime industry has more to offer and is able to attend to more personal tastes than it used to be back then.
>I see I struck a nerve.
Says someone willingly wasting time in a thread about something he doesn't like.
Oh yeah, I guess I was
Probably should have made a broader statement like VNs and manga and video games and such, fuck. Can't believe I went and called a VN an anime.
I've provided you with enough examples, which you brush off based on your personal dislike of almost everything. It is obvious that even in the current season (to say nothing of the modern anime in general) one can find nearly any genre, art style and niche present. And just because you don't like the constituents of this new variety doesn't mean there is no variety to speak off.
>The rest were already genres that existed since forever.
There was a noticeable lack of fantasy which started appearing only in the 90s and never became a large trend until around 2010.
"Horror" began emerging only in obscure OVAs, and mostly in the 90s.
Romance crap was more "realistic" and less comedic.
Fetish-oriented titles (yuri, yaoi, etc) was not a thing before 2000s.
Ecchi was a bit different (harem stuff wasn't figured out until later).
Again: if you don't like anything in the genre spectrum it doesn't mean the spectrum doesn't exist.
>give me a cosmic horror anime, hard scifi anime, and biopunk anime
Stop, are you implying there were more of these in the 80s? And in TV format no less?
It could've been a bittersweet thread where we talked about all the stuff we did like and it's mostly gone now but I guess all it takes for a thread to go downhill into shit is a couple of retards who can't agree with each other over a non-issue. Cool.
Well, to be frank the thread itself is a non-issue. Why do you care if something you like and enjoy is trendy or not among normans?
It's not like that stuff is gone. It's not like there are no torrents nor enough enthusiasts seeding older titles, even obscure ones. What exactly is your/OPs problem? That an average 18yo casual with a dozen titles worth of experience doesn't know about your favorite anime from 2 decades ago?
>you keep going on about how modern anime is so varied and fulfills any niche
For like 5th time: it's varied in comparison to how it used to be. The whole discussion started around the comparison of the 80s anime industry to the modern one, yet you keep speaking in absolutes.
And no, not literally any niche of course, but most - yes. If there is not enough of something you personally seek it means there is not enough demand for that, so either invest in it or consider shifting to a different medium.
Btw I don't watch ongoings until they're fully aired, so I can't tell you anything about the current season beyond what you yourself can see in the charts. There have however been lots of various scifi and cyberpunk titles appearing during last several years, and if we're speaking modern anime in general (since 2000) then outright tons (from GiTS to Psycho-Pass and beyond). Biopunk? I don't know - does stuff like Gargantia, Parasyte and Killing Bites count? Technically it should.
isekai and fantasy was popular back then too. It was just in a slightly different form for a slightly different demographic.
Surely you know of escaflonae and innuyasa (yes I know I spelled both wrong, fuck it you know what I mean). Of spirited away and .hack.
It is a old sub-genera with a new coat of paint.
>>28640>most fall into the same few genres
More like around 10 genres, and in combinations that didn't exist decades ago.>I'm asking you to give examples of how varied modern anime is
I've given you examples of how varied it is compared to the past. And you act as if I'm trying to prove it is varied in some absolute sense. Compare any season from the 80s with any present-day one and you'll see for yourself.
If you're burned up on anime or cannot find a show with some narrow set of themes you like, that's your problem, not the industries.
What's more, I bet you hardly even watched any of those 80s shows you glorify, otherwise you would bring examples of your own. But you cannot - the most people like you can muster is comparing some high-budget OVA or a Miyazaki movie to a random modern low-budget TV show.>>28641
I wouldn't call early 2000s "back then".
Yes, it existed- but it wasn't the only thing created in the fantasy genre. Literally every fantasy anime that comes out now is some variant of isekai or rpg simulator. Some are quite good, like Made in Abyss, but the stale quality of using this formula endlessly is tiresome. It's like Western super hero movies; it's just overdone.
I come to imageboards to talk about my hobby. It is a problem if there is basically no one left who actually talks about it.
inb4 but you don't need to talk to people about your hobby
then why are you here
This is the truth. They don't even put effort into animes anymore. Look at goblin slayer, it is an almost perfect 1.1 copy of the manga and this fucks up the show. Scenes that work in the manga don't work in the anime. The only good episode is number 2 thus far, and it also happens to deviate from the manga the most. It shows the director could make a proper adaptation, but just choses the easy way out, since no one cares if its good or not. It's just an ad for the manga/light novel.
The way anime production works these days is basically load up on as much work as possible, then phone in on the stuff you don't like as a sort of silent protest meanwhile put all your serious work into the stuff you do like. This is why they do things like take multi-year deals with netflix for many shows instead of one show here or there. They want to work in the industry for the rest of their lives and it's a very discouraging work and always has been. The professionals these days know that no one will care about Goblin Slayer or Slime Tensei but they have to make it anyways because they always go where the audience wants them to no matter what in japan.
Notice that the seiyuus are very consistent in their performance on show to show basis. This is because they are unionized and have rankings, they are workhorses and function on output. The rest of the industry isn't much different, some shows are made like people make shirts, some shows are actually made for artistic purpose.
Through careful viewing you can see certain director's calling cards and personal flair here and there, but most of the time they really just want to maximize output.
If the japanese really like something, you get animation like One-Punch Man. They didn't have more budget, they just cared more, same with Mob Psycho 100.
If they really wanted to, they could cut the number of shows in half and double the production quality, but that isn't how they believe business should be done. It's the harmony aspect in play, and it's one of the reasons why we're able to get adaptations of series that normally would never see the light of day like Chio-chan's School Road and they get a lot of passion put into the animation.
Saying they don't put effort in is wrong by default, they have to work up to a standard. It's just that to exceed that standard, you either need to be in one of the more passionate studios like P.A Works/Trigger or simply not be doing a million projects like J.C staff does.
Since Cygames and Netflix entered the industry and demanded a bit more quality, the standards of every show grew higher along with the ability to acquire new technology, but that still doesn't inspire artists.
Look at Annoying Lolicon Maid this season. Lots of passion. Why? Because it's a story that speaks directly to anime fans. Meanwhile the worst show of the season is the sister anime, which has the worst quality standard I've seen on any TV anime in years. Perhaps on purpose, given that the LN art is so well done and the OP is stylish.
Maybe we could dedicate the thread to some of the underappreciated series of this era. I'm currently watching The Soultaker, a series directed by Akiyuki Shinbo, the guy who is now "famous" for directing pretty much every major Studio Shaft series. It's actually the second time I'm watching it as the first time I tried it out, I dropped it after 2 episodes or so due to its confusing nature. I've seen most of Shinbo's directorial works by now and I'd say that this is by far the trippiest and most surreal-looking of them all so I'd highly recommend it to people who like the visual direction of Shaft shows.
The series seems to be disliked by a lot of people online who do know of it and that might be attributed to aforementioned confusion but I'd say it's one of the more original and experimental anime I've watched in quite some time. That's the main appeal of early-to-mid 2000s anime for me; there were a lot of shows back then that dared to stray away from both conventional artstyles and story concepts that are common to the anime medium as a whole. They often tried out western-looking visual styles yet still used a type of fluid animation that you'd never see in western works. The visual style of the show seems to take some inspiration from that of the Hellboy comics for example.
The Soultaker is definitely different. Still it was popular enough to get a spin-off Nurse Witch Komugi-chan which is comedy and a lot of fun, much easier to understand too.
Series like The Soultaker that are experimental are usually the director's ego going full throttle. I think Shinbo said that he regretted it. Artists when young can definitely make whacky stuff, but as they age and work professionally they tend to try to be more simple and focused. I have no doubt Shinbo could do something even more amazing and experimental these days, like even look at Nisekoi and how he made such a simple show have great visual appeal.
Thunderbolt Fantasy(puppets, but extremely tight direction and great writing by the urobutcher) is fantastic. I don't think I've seen a show that nailed a new medium from another country so well and so quickly, even though it's not 2D the conventions used are about the same. Very fun show to watch, season 2 is airing now too.
Sakura Quest or anything by P.A Works(except Glasslip) is excellent recently. Especially Kuromukuro, the choreography and mech design felt fresh to the genre even though the series itself is a kind of a mashup of every anime P.A Works has ever done(as it was their 20th anniversary project). Lacked focus, but I think that people who enjoy anime in general can appreciate it for what it tried to do.
There's Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight, which finished last season and is Utena with actors and less mystery. I think the director worked under the Utena guy, which explains why they feel so similar. The direction is a bit more clear to the viewer, I think the problem with Utena guys stuff like Yuri Kuma Arashi is that there this mystifying aura I've felt watching it, like the story half doesn't want you to understand whats going on and half does, that's a wonderful series too though for the execution of the concept.
I think Yuru Camp, Princess Principal, and Release the Spyce(so far) qualify as well, tight new shows that don't break conventions but had me thinking they were expanding it.
I feel like I should also mention Shoujo-tachi wa Kouya wo Mezasu/Sakurada Reset/Buta Yarou(this season. All of them have a similar more mature look back at high school, and all of them suffered from being adapted to anime yet still manage to be interesting visually maintain that literary quality.
I also thought about mentioning Island last season, but I think that's more decent than underappreciated.
When I said "this era" I referred to the early 2000s as that was what the thread was originally about. Not sure why you're bringing up all of these seasonal shows.
Also, most of the shows you mentioned are either mediocre or outright bad. Yuru Camp is one of the ugliest-looking anime I have seen in recent years. Visuals are often one of the major appealing factors of slice of life anime as it can either make or break the comfy atmosphere it's going for, good examples are Non Non Biyori and Mushishi which both have very nicely looking landscapes to match the slow pace. Another beautiful SOL series was Gochuumon Wa Usagi Desu Ka which is set in a town with tradional European architecture and if I recemember correctly, was actually based off a real existing town on the border of France and Germany.
I don't see why everyone has been praising it online as one of the comfiest anime ever made when pretty much every popular SOL series that came before it does everything YC does 10 times better. I seems to me, based on every online conversation I have with people who enjyo modern-day anime, that seasonal anime watchers just base their standards on how recently a show came out rather than its actual quality. People are not afraid to shittalk shows from the 90s like Eva and nitpick every single flaw it has yet when another one of these new shows that look like they were made on a shoestring budget like Yuru Camp come out, it gets "hyped up" by every normalfag online.
Haven's watched YC yet, but I'd say people who sing praises to it probably started watching anime very recently and thus don't have much to compare it with.
Can't really find anything wrong with the Yuru Camp visuals, but it was still one of the most forgettable anime I've seen.
>"We're gonna need a K-On, this time with camping"
>Coming right up
Presto, Yuru Camp.
>>28855>Seasonal anime watchers.
I think that's literally it. Back in the day weebs were dedicated, now the hobby is popular enough that userbase is also seasonal. You hear praise from retards which haven't seen more than 10 series probably, then they drop the hobby, then you hear praise about something else that's airing right now by some other, new retards.
>>28875>pleasantly sharper, bolder and fresh
You must prefer modern art over tradional painting as well. It looks like there's no love put into it, it looks gloomy and boring and as I already said, lacks detail. It's like they created a CG model and just drew over it. >>28876
Is that supposed to be ironic? Because I still think that looks very mediocre compared to other anime who make use of natural landscape shots. I also hate it when the art of the character(s) doesn't match the background at all.
I have watched many anime with camping in it but never a anime that was actually specifically about camping.
As much as I personally like camping watching other people camp, including anime people, still comes off as boring unless there is something more to it that I am not getting.
As with most anime it's highly niche and the main reason you'd get into the series is to see the succubi being cute and the japanese voice acting.
I think in a few seasons we'll be talking about Yuru Camp like we talk about Non non biyori, but I don't think most wizards will understand why. It's good anime, that's why, notable title and well-executed like Two Car. It's sad how many people don't care about Two Car, I feel bad for Announcer and her partner with the sex voice.>>28845
because>underappreciated series of this era>>28855
Yuru Camp is highly similar to Usagi in many respects, Usagi had better comedy and character but it was also done by Kinema Citrus who is simply much more experienced with Kirara titles so the comparison is unfair. Yuru Camp had excellent detail and direction, it's sad that wizards here are dismissing it as if it is something popular. It's still undoubtedly amazing work, though of course because new watchers to anime have never seen something quality before they will immediately rave about it as they are 13 years old or immature.>most of the shows you mentioned are mediocre or outright bad
Your list of notable works then? I fully expect something right out of MAL. Do you even like anime, or are you watching it so you can shit on it and feel superior?
I prefer 2000s. Yuru character shapes remind more of traditional Japanese paintings btw.
Early 2000s is my personal favourite era of Japanese animation. I've made it a vow to go back and visit all those titles that have been seemingly forgotten, these days it's all that I go to in between the seasonal stuff. I really enjoy the aesthetic of the early 2000 stuff. To me, there is something special about the blurry, low DVD definition early digital animation. In addition to this during that time period works had a melancholic feeling to them, perhaps as a result of the economic crash that took place a few years before then that was mentioned in this thread? A great example of what I'm referring to would be all the 'ABe' anime, such as Niea_7, Texhnolyze, Haibane Renmei, SEL too, of course. However that one was still made on the cel technology, I think it still has the cheap, flat look but quite more defined. The aesthetic, and the 'melancholic' feeling is still there.
I think being able to appreciate this forgotten media is kind of great. Of course, it hasn't been that long since then and there's a lot more things that have just straight up vanished throughout history but the trend has moved on. It's kind of like going into a convenience store really late at night and being the only person there. It's a good feeling
I've accepted it. These are only mediums for entertainment, and now, "seasonal anime" is a thing. It's not really being treated as an artform, but as an anime, as it is. You watch it, you like or hate it, then you forget it. These anime are no more special than each other for most people, so they're just forgotten.
I think people want new things and don't want to dwell on old things. Anime from 2000 is very old.
i've been meaning to watch soultaker since i really enjoyed nurse witch komugi-chan. that being said, the idea that shinbo actually directs at shaft is a misconception, he hasn't directed anything in more than a decade. he's pretty much just the "face" of shaft, if you want to know who the actual directors of a shaft show are, look for the series director. shinbo is closer to a supervisor.
ah, I see. So this normie thing has been a problem since the 1980s…
aha, just kidding. Maybe seasonal anime isn't too bad after all. Honestly, I just think treating anime or shows like seasonal things is kinda silly. Still, you probably on't see masterpieces or shows that impact you in a meaningful way very much.
These shows are meant to make money and tell a story. I don't think they're meant to stay around for a long time.
It's still good to get something happy for once though. I don't mind being wrong when the news is happy.
Also generating this post on zero hours of sleep. Sorry if it's incoherent.
Problem with long running anime is they're even less likely to be meaningful. Mainly due to source material - Manga are ran until people stop reading them enough. Same with LNs. So the story just goes on and on until it becomes unpopular enough to have an ending made for it. You can have meaningful stories in them but they tend to not wrap up at all since the characters are what keeps people reading. This is the vast majority and would happen to long running original anime too.
I love having shit like Hisomaso, Sakura quest, Shirobako, Himote house, and the anime originals that come out every season. They're great. Even if they aren't they at least make an attempt at a whole story rather than 'see you next week oh wait we got cancelled'. Let's not forget Ping Pong the animation.
There are exceptions of course, like Kaiba which told a complete story while being an adaptation, and so on, but having shorter anime seasons means that anime are kept tight and to the point, even if there's a lot of similarity.
It isn't so much about treating it as a seasonal thing as it is just convenient period for industry to just start new shows at certain point of the year. Especially now that most anime is just 12 episodes.
How is it possible to have this much soul? It's like it was made by real humans instead of fake humans today.
because it's all done by hand and has character, and a style you grew up with, but make no mistake in 30 years people will say the same about current anime
sure they can, hell outside of japan no one knew that shadow skill 1999 existed, no info on the net or anything
I tried my hardest to find it back in the early 2000s but gave up.
Heard about it on old obscure forums.
So I knew it existed, just also knew I would never get to see it (at the time). When I finally did see it I was more then a little disappointed that it was a short comedy OVA.
Unfortunately op-pic has spoiled tsukihime for me as I have only recently finished arcueid routes. Can't see much appeal in his works to be honest, I've even read 3 KNK before starting and it was hit-or-miss. Maybe one day, when memories of when they cry start to fade, I'll finish this doujin work. Some songs they remade for tsukihime made me cry, but not any emotional peaks or words, sadly. Anyways, hope to enjoy it one day.
Yeah, I prefer anime from the 90s the most and I know what you mean. The people who watched it years ago and discussed it on forums have all but gotten tired of discussing it (when they still may love it) and a lot of younger people are just watching new anime to be "multicultural" or "staying with the trends" not that they actually enjoy the medium itself or they actually value japanese culture and people. There are literally thousands of better anime out there than the shit thats been coming out and they end up watching garbage.
Well, I don't know about very "obscure" anime but shit that wasn't very popular. The irresponsible captain tylor, record of lodoss war, requim from the darkness, Battle Angel Alita, and dirty pair flash were in my opinion pretty good. I once have watched this one youtube channel with an old man reviewing anime on youtube and can't for the life of me remember what it was called and youtubes algorithm is so shit I may never be able to find it again. Anyway, I hope I was helpful
Yup that's it. Thanks bro
I really liked Alita and the Dirty Pair movie, I will check out the rest, thank you!
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