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Want to start learning Japanese?
Here's some useful links to help you out.

-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true (A basic walkthrough of what to do first and what to expect)
-http://realkana.com/ (tool to learn the kana)
-http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar (grammar guide)
-http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi (setting up Anki)
-http://jisho.org/ (Japanese-English dictionary)
-http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ - (Actual Japanese dictionary for rare words and alternate definitions)
-https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rikaichan/ (Popup dictionary definitions when you hover over a word, Chrome version is called Rikaikun)
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/ (alternative to rikaichan)

Last thread: >>25255

みんなさん、がんばって!
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 No.30556

anyone else here going over their japanese flash cards and you get like 95% of them correct but still feel like you're missing something? I feel like I wouldn't be able to read these kanji out in the wild

 No.30558

>>30556
I suppose this is because you only see them isolated on your flash cards when you are focusing on recalling whatever the answer side of your card may say. What you likely need imo is both reading practice and writing practice. The former can be real world japanese text or from a workbook depending on your progress and the latter will help you combine the two masses that are probably separate entities in your learning routine - grammar and vocabulary - into simultaneously available, connected information.

 No.30588

Does anyone know of any good news sites in japanese for reading practice? I heard reading news is a good way to practice but I have a hard time using the sites that I have found.

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 No.30590

>>30589
Oh, that is awesome! Way more than I expected. Thanks!

 No.30618

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>>30589
JP news with furigana over the kanji? Nice.

 No.30636

Im "recruiting" japanese speackers to start an alliance with the hikkis from 2 chan.
i consider the japanese neets advanced wizards,and we would benefits from their interacion and advice.
>also anyone have that image of cirno smoking in an abandoned building?
I talked with a korean guy trough an app before,asian people are interesting,i want to talk to them about life and school

 No.30637

>>30636
Why would you want such a disgusting image? degenerate.

 No.30639

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>>30637
I like it for its ironic value

 No.30640

is it worth it learning to read japanese just to read manga?
there are many raw manga which arent translated and will never be,i think id need about 100 volumes of raw manga to motivate me to start.
how long does it take to learn to read,starting from zero?
im already bilingual and now i have free time.

 No.30644

>>30640
May or may not be worth it depending on how badly you want to read the manga. Besides commissioning people to translate it for you it is probably the only way you will ever be able to read a lot of the old untranslated stuff.

As for how long it takes to begin reading it probably depends on what you want to read. If it is targeted at grade or middle schoolers then it is much easier to "read" because it will have hiragana above the kanji that makes it far easier to look up words. If it doesn't have that then it will be much much harder until later on.

You can probably start "reading" the simple stuff after a month or two of diligent study. By reading I mean looking up most of the words online and only having a loose grasp of what any sentence means until you get a better grasp of the grammer.

The good news is that if you are really passionate about reading like this then you are lucky because reading is the best way to learn the language besides maybe moving to Japan.

 No.30675

Does anyone know a good simple japanese cartoon to watch for beginners in the language? I've been studying about an hour every day for a bit over a month, I watched some kid shows recently and I could hardly piece together sentences, just picked up a few words every now and then, sometimes even I heard words that didn't seem to make sense in the context, like in one show a cashier asked the main character if he knew how much of something he was gonna buy and he replied ”きたない”, which as far as I know means "dirty" or something like that, is there like a slang dictionary somewhere I can use?

 No.30680

>>30675
Sounds like you misheard what they were saying. There's also the problem of slang and how the sounds are mushed together when normal people speak so it's hard to understand.
Personally I recommend reading kids books first. It gives you time to digest a sentence and piece together its meaning, and you won't mishear it since it's written. Eventually you get faster at getting meaning out of sentences and then can transition to spoken form.

 No.30688

>>29602
How do you have a mining deck that has words on "due"?

 No.30689

>>30556
>>30558
Or it is just a case of active and inactive vocabulary.
Inactive works better when you read it in sentence.

 No.30690

>>30688
You review seen cards in a mining deck just like any other.

 No.30698

>>30675
Not sure how to obtain it, but maybe you could acquire anime with Japanese subtitles for the hard of hearing?

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>>30698
That's the original purpose of subtitles, right?

<MUSIC PLAYS> <LOUD NOISE>

 No.30950

>>30675
>>30698
This site has subtitle files for a large number of shows, including most (maybe all, not sure) currently airing shows.

http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

 No.30951

>>30950
should've clarified - Japanese subtitle files

 No.30974

reading tae kim. only 100 pages in or so, so i'm not sure if this is covered later, but i was told only nouns can come before が? so one way to turn a verb clause into a gerund to make it a valid topic/subject is to add こと? anyone know if this is true/if there are other ways to turn verb clauses into gerunds?

 No.31085

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Help me please wizzies I'm at this part in tae kim's.

This part is so damn confusing,first it says that いけない/ならない conjugate like i adjectives (even when they're not adjectives) then it uses them like verbs in ます/ありません form…that's not how adjectives should be used!

Anyone can help me with this? いけない/ならない are supposed to be conugated like i adjectives or verbs? also they're the same as in いけない = negative form of 行く and ならない negative form of なる or something completely different.

 No.31086

Is becoming fluent in Japanese (enough to watch anime without subtitles) feasible for a /dep/ wizard? I’ve given up on everything I’ve ever started. I hear it takes 8 years to become fluent in Japanese.

 No.31087

>>31086
I started learning japanese for a few months, got hit with a wave of depression and haven't touched it in a month, hardly remember anything, probably a waste of time

 No.31088

>>31086
8 years seems like way too long. I have heard 4-5 years, but I think that includes being able to speak it very well and write very well too. If you don't care about speaking it and writing characters (typing is much easier anyway) then you can probably do it faster.

 No.31094

>>31086
You can probably start watching raws in less than a year if you put enough time in each day. First few months are the hardest because it's a lot of "classic" studying like reading grammar guides and grinding vocab cards. Once you can start consuming native material it becomes fun.

If your only purpose in learning is for raw anime I don't know if there's really a point though, because other than some older obscure anime I think most of it is already subbed.

Also discipline > motivation

 No.31095

Soo…no one can help me with this >>31085?

 No.31109

>>31085
いけない and ならない are the negative forms of いける and なる. All verbs with -ない attached conjugate in the same way as -i adjectives. -ません is an alternative negative form that conjugates differently.

 No.31118

I have a condition and sadly cannot write or make precise strokes. Is there a way to learn Japanese despite this?

 No.31119

>>31118
Just type?

 No.31140

>>31119
OK ty fren. Should I get jap keyboard or can I make it with my shitty Microsoft one

 No.31143

>>31140
You don’t need a Japanese keyboard to type. You can just enter the romaji and then hit space until you get what you want. You’ll have to set your language to Japanese though, so that depends on your OS.

 No.31157

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Could someone please translate?
(it was on an image, can't copypaste)

 No.31158

>>31157
鬼神

 No.31159

>>31158
thanks!

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>>31157
Wizards lacking the comprehension of a given kanji character may try looking up the radicals at jisho.org .
I realize it's much faster and reliable than OCR once you start figuring out which radicals mean what.

 No.31175

>>31168
gooogle translate also has a good handwriting-to-kanji reader that i use to identify kanji i haven't seen before. of course, it helps more if you know general stroke order of kanji

 No.31179

>>31168
I find radical lookup easier and I don't know what the radicals mean

 No.31204

Difference between 見ため and 外観? I am still a beginner on anki decks learning vocab. Trying to master at least some vocab before I move onto grammar and reading beginner manga.

 No.31205

>>31204
You can't master the nuance of words without lots of reading and listening. Just learn the general sense. For one, plenty of words are exact synonyms with no real difference.
In this case, though, 見た目 is more likely to be used to describe people and sounds more casual, while 外観 is more likely to be used for objects and sounds more technical. This follows the general pattern of Japanese (kun) origin words being more everyday speech, while Chinese-origin (on) words sound more academic (for the same reason Latin-origin words often sound technical in English – Chinese was the language scientific documents were written in).

 No.31274

How long should somebody spend a day learning this?

 No.31275

>>31274
I spent about 4 hours a day when I first started learning and was going through kanji, grammar, and vocab. When I started reading I think I was doing 10-12 hours a day but that's kind of extreme.

I don't think you should stress too much about time though, better to focus on consistent progress like learning a certain number of new kanji and vocab words each day, going through a certain number of grammar lessons, or reading a certain number of chapters of manga. Maybe try 2 hours to start if you really want a set schedule.

 No.31276

The Tae Kim link doesn't work any more, did he close his website?

 No.31288

>>31276
its up

 No.31394

A while back I watched a Chinese anime and it seemed like I had less time to read the subtitles than usual. Idk why I waited until now to google it, but I was wondering if Chinese had a higher information density or something today so I did google it and I came across this interesting article:
https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/why-do-japanese-people-talk-so-fast/

It seems Chinese does in fact have a much higher information density and also information rate than Japanese although the information rate of Chinese is pretty comparable to most European languages so perhaps I would have noticed the same thing going from Japanese to any other language since it looks like Japanese is the odd one out, being much slower in information rate and much less information dense and spoken faster to compensate. It also makes sense that they omit words that can be understood via context to save time because their language is so much less information dense.

This has interesting implications for wizards who have a slower mental tempo. If they can learn to keep up with the words coming out of their mouth, it will actually allow them more time to think in Japanese compared to other languages.

 No.31420

>>31394
I actually like that anime has them pronounce every syllable after trying out live-action j-dramas.

 No.31442

>>28933
kill me honestly. I remember watching this and hearing that and just thinking to myself how much I dislike living.

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 No.31446

>>31445
Not sure if this is the site that you are talking about. But the tae kim guide is here as well.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/taekim.html

 No.31447

>>31445
I insist the site is up and the pdf of the book too
http://www.guidetojapanese.org


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