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Want to start learning Japanese?
Here's some useful links to help you out.

-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true (A basic walkthrough of what to do first and what to expect)
-http://realkana.com/ (tool to learn the kana)
-http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar (grammar guide)
-http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi (setting up Anki)
-http://jisho.org/ (Japanese-English dictionary)
-http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ - (Actual Japanese dictionary for rare words and alternate definitions)
-https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rikaichan/ (Popup dictionary definitions when you hover over a word, Chrome version is called Rikaikun)
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/ (alternative to rikaichan)

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>saging the thread on top

Why not just use anki?
I didn't know memrise was still relevant in anyway. Being bad and all.


anki is just flash cards, memrise has typing exercises which I like a lot, also I don’t know how you think memrise is bad, it has a whole bunch of great user created stuff


>Oyasumi is one of about a dozen words that you’ll definitely want to know by heart if you ever plan on travelling to Japan, or even just want to make nice with your ex-pat neighbor. The meaning of oyasumi (and the meaning of oyasuminasai) is deceptively simple.

just thought it was interesting


>user created
That is the problem. There is outright wrong info, and otherwise bad content. If you want to actually learn Japanese, I recommend Tae Kim's book and 日本語の森 for grammar. The latter may be hard for beginners, because they only speak Japanese.


>doesn't learn from telling once
Thanks for outing yourself. You can go back to 4chan now.


>Thanks for outing yourself. You can go back to 4chan now.

Really ironic that you are on a /jp/ board and yet have such a minimal understanding of what sage is and in a thread about learning Japanese no less, have you ever even been on Japanese imageboards?


Now you are just making things up. But please, tell me what sage means in your opinion so I can laugh.
Also here is a word of the day for you: 懲りない


Ugh… Sage is a feature that enables a user not to bump a thread. The reason why this was made was so that if a user felt that his post was not worth bumping the thread(because it wasn't a good post, it was not relevant to the thread or for whatever reason) he would not have to, the point of sage was not to be rude, it was the opposite of that. Infact I am being rude now by not saging as this is an example of the use sage was made for, we are not talking about something relevant to the thread so we would both use sage so as not to bump this thread up to the front page with irrelevant posts.


Yeah, but it is also meaningless to sage thread that is on top. That is basic. Well, at least you knew half of it.


Ahh I should also add, in addition to this it may seem pointless that one should sage a thread that is on top anyway but part of the point of sage and why it is visible is because it shows that you the poster acknowledge that it is not relevant or worth bumping. Also indecently here is another use of sage, to correct a post that one has just made.


I wish I had begun doing the kangxi radicals anki deck before starting the core 2k/6k deck. It has become actually surprisingly easy to give names to these shapes and it makes recognizing and differentiating new character way easier. The only problem is that I am having to relearn words I had previously memorized. I now see the individual shapes of each character in a new light but have to again reassociate them to a word. I am only about 200 words deep into the 2k/5k deck though so I am glad I am doing it now instead of later.


anyone else here going over their japanese flash cards and you get like 95% of them correct but still feel like you're missing something? I feel like I wouldn't be able to read these kanji out in the wild


I suppose this is because you only see them isolated on your flash cards when you are focusing on recalling whatever the answer side of your card may say. What you likely need imo is both reading practice and writing practice. The former can be real world japanese text or from a workbook depending on your progress and the latter will help you combine the two masses that are probably separate entities in your learning routine - grammar and vocabulary - into simultaneously available, connected information.


Does anyone know of any good news sites in japanese for reading practice? I heard reading news is a good way to practice but I have a hard time using the sites that I have found.



Oh, that is awesome! Way more than I expected. Thanks!


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JP news with furigana over the kanji? Nice.


Im "recruiting" japanese speackers to start an alliance with the hikkis from 2 chan.
i consider the japanese neets advanced wizards,and we would benefits from their interacion and advice.
>also anyone have that image of cirno smoking in an abandoned building?
I talked with a korean guy trough an app before,asian people are interesting,i want to talk to them about life and school


Why would you want such a disgusting image? degenerate.


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I like it for its ironic value


is it worth it learning to read japanese just to read manga?
there are many raw manga which arent translated and will never be,i think id need about 100 volumes of raw manga to motivate me to start.
how long does it take to learn to read,starting from zero?
im already bilingual and now i have free time.


May or may not be worth it depending on how badly you want to read the manga. Besides commissioning people to translate it for you it is probably the only way you will ever be able to read a lot of the old untranslated stuff.

As for how long it takes to begin reading it probably depends on what you want to read. If it is targeted at grade or middle schoolers then it is much easier to "read" because it will have hiragana above the kanji that makes it far easier to look up words. If it doesn't have that then it will be much much harder until later on.

You can probably start "reading" the simple stuff after a month or two of diligent study. By reading I mean looking up most of the words online and only having a loose grasp of what any sentence means until you get a better grasp of the grammer.

The good news is that if you are really passionate about reading like this then you are lucky because reading is the best way to learn the language besides maybe moving to Japan.


Does anyone know a good simple japanese cartoon to watch for beginners in the language? I've been studying about an hour every day for a bit over a month, I watched some kid shows recently and I could hardly piece together sentences, just picked up a few words every now and then, sometimes even I heard words that didn't seem to make sense in the context, like in one show a cashier asked the main character if he knew how much of something he was gonna buy and he replied ”きたない”, which as far as I know means "dirty" or something like that, is there like a slang dictionary somewhere I can use?


Sounds like you misheard what they were saying. There's also the problem of slang and how the sounds are mushed together when normal people speak so it's hard to understand.
Personally I recommend reading kids books first. It gives you time to digest a sentence and piece together its meaning, and you won't mishear it since it's written. Eventually you get faster at getting meaning out of sentences and then can transition to spoken form.


How do you have a mining deck that has words on "due"?


Or it is just a case of active and inactive vocabulary.
Inactive works better when you read it in sentence.


You review seen cards in a mining deck just like any other.


Not sure how to obtain it, but maybe you could acquire anime with Japanese subtitles for the hard of hearing?


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That's the original purpose of subtitles, right?



This site has subtitle files for a large number of shows, including most (maybe all, not sure) currently airing shows.



should've clarified - Japanese subtitle files


reading tae kim. only 100 pages in or so, so i'm not sure if this is covered later, but i was told only nouns can come before が? so one way to turn a verb clause into a gerund to make it a valid topic/subject is to add こと? anyone know if this is true/if there are other ways to turn verb clauses into gerunds?


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Help me please wizzies I'm at this part in tae kim's.

This part is so damn confusing,first it says that いけない/ならない conjugate like i adjectives (even when they're not adjectives) then it uses them like verbs in ます/ありません form…that's not how adjectives should be used!

Anyone can help me with this? いけない/ならない are supposed to be conugated like i adjectives or verbs? also they're the same as in いけない = negative form of 行く and ならない negative form of なる or something completely different.


Is becoming fluent in Japanese (enough to watch anime without subtitles) feasible for a /dep/ wizard? I’ve given up on everything I’ve ever started. I hear it takes 8 years to become fluent in Japanese.


I started learning japanese for a few months, got hit with a wave of depression and haven't touched it in a month, hardly remember anything, probably a waste of time


8 years seems like way too long. I have heard 4-5 years, but I think that includes being able to speak it very well and write very well too. If you don't care about speaking it and writing characters (typing is much easier anyway) then you can probably do it faster.


You can probably start watching raws in less than a year if you put enough time in each day. First few months are the hardest because it's a lot of "classic" studying like reading grammar guides and grinding vocab cards. Once you can start consuming native material it becomes fun.

If your only purpose in learning is for raw anime I don't know if there's really a point though, because other than some older obscure anime I think most of it is already subbed.

Also discipline > motivation


Soo…no one can help me with this >>31085?


いけない and ならない are the negative forms of いける and なる. All verbs with -ない attached conjugate in the same way as -i adjectives. -ません is an alternative negative form that conjugates differently.


I have a condition and sadly cannot write or make precise strokes. Is there a way to learn Japanese despite this?


Just type?


OK ty fren. Should I get jap keyboard or can I make it with my shitty Microsoft one


You don’t need a Japanese keyboard to type. You can just enter the romaji and then hit space until you get what you want. You’ll have to set your language to Japanese though, so that depends on your OS.


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Could someone please translate?
(it was on an image, can't copypaste)






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Wizards lacking the comprehension of a given kanji character may try looking up the radicals at jisho.org .
I realize it's much faster and reliable than OCR once you start figuring out which radicals mean what.


gooogle translate also has a good handwriting-to-kanji reader that i use to identify kanji i haven't seen before. of course, it helps more if you know general stroke order of kanji


I find radical lookup easier and I don't know what the radicals mean


Difference between 見ため and 外観? I am still a beginner on anki decks learning vocab. Trying to master at least some vocab before I move onto grammar and reading beginner manga.


You can't master the nuance of words without lots of reading and listening. Just learn the general sense. For one, plenty of words are exact synonyms with no real difference.
In this case, though, 見た目 is more likely to be used to describe people and sounds more casual, while 外観 is more likely to be used for objects and sounds more technical. This follows the general pattern of Japanese (kun) origin words being more everyday speech, while Chinese-origin (on) words sound more academic (for the same reason Latin-origin words often sound technical in English – Chinese was the language scientific documents were written in).

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