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Want to start learning Japanese?
Here's some useful links to help you out.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true (A basic walkthrough of what to do first and what to expect)
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http://realkana.com/ (tool to learn the kana)
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http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar (grammar guide)
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http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi (setting up Anki)
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http://jisho.org/ (Japanese-English dictionary)
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http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ - (Actual Japanese dictionary for rare words and alternate definitions)
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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rikaichan/ (Popup dictionary definitions when you hover over a word, Chrome version is called Rikaikun)
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/ (alternative to rikaichan)
Last thread: >>25255
みんなさん、がんばって！
No.33131
I want to learn Japanese.
No.33132
>>33114I would read more of Yotsuba or maybe more of another manga. I think back when I was a complete beginner I did all of Yotsuba, then Ika Musume and To-Love Ru and Darkness.
An eroge might be a little bit of a big jump at your current level. Flyable Heart itself is OK, not amazing.
No.33137
>>33130残念ながら国を多様性から守るために必要不可欠だ。
No.33684
Ive been going to japanese twitch channels with nobody watching and trying to communicate with the streamer. Its a really easy way to find someone to talk to and they seem to be really nice usually. I still am really bad at Japanese but a good 上手! or こにちわ can really brighten somebodies day.
No.33685
How the fuck do I learn vocab? I tried doing a core deck on anki,but after a couple of really easy words it keeps getting harder to recognize and learn the words.
So how people do it? Everyone seems to have an extremely easy time learning this shit except me,maybe I'm just retarded.
No.33686
>>33685anki can be frustrating but it will work eventually if you persist.
No.33688
>>33685The deck I tried started me off with a bunch of numbers and dates and shit and it was super annoying because they were extra hard to learn. Why can't you just give me some happy little nouns and verbs and shit to start it off? It's like the guys who designed the deck are trying to discourage people.
No.33689
>>33685>>33688You can try using textbooks instead. They can get interesting much faster than flashcards. There are quite a few you can download.
No.33692
>>33688I think you are talking about 2k6k and I completely agree. It doesn't have a useful progression it seems mostly random with sometimes different words using the same kanji cumpled together.
No.33696
Not really learning Japanese, just curious. Do Japanese really say thank you for being born (生まれてきてくれてありがとう)? Is it a regularly used expression?
No.33697
>>33696I've read hundreds of manga vols and watched maybe thousands of anime shit and I've never heard anyone expressing that. I don't read people saying that on chans either, nor in movies. Maybe irl? But then again irl speech leaks to media almost a 100%, so I don't think so.
Where did you saw that?
No.33698
>>33697vtubers birthday streams, also I am pretty sure I've seen it in manga and anime too although rarely.
No.33699
>>33698Have you? Well I honestly don't remember seeing it but then again, I'm not a native and I don't think shonen plots really have moments where people would say that to each other. Also on birthdays people will say お誕生日おめでとう, not thank you for being born. If this was a common enough expression I would have found on jisho but there's nothing in there. Anyway, now we at least know it exists.
No.33700
idk if i should continue with genki or just go for tae kim. ive only managed to get to chapter 2 of genki but then again im quite lazy. is there much difference between the two?
No.33701
>>33700Tae Kim teaches much better methodology that will give you good learning habits and carry you all the way to fluency in the long term. Genki can't do that.
No.33702
>>33701Don't go around fooling that guy. Tae Kin, Genki and Anki are all extreme entry level stuff and he should be able to finish any of them with minimum perseverance.
>>33700At least you recognize you're lazy wiz. There's nothing wrong with those anki cards, you should be able to learn basic vocabulary through then like thousands of people have done it before, including myself. There's also nothing wrong with Genji, not Tae Kim. Of course this stuff is hard to you, you just started. Learning Japanese is not easy, doesn't matter what method you pick, actually sticking to it and practicing every day for at least a couple of hours is key and no method will give you "learning habits" like that guy said, imo. You need to have those habits beforehand, which is pretty much just biting the bullet and study every day for as long as you can.
There's no magic tricks behind any method, work hard and everything will be easier as you make progress.
Here's what I did when I started
-grinded all 6k anki cards
-grinded a grammar deck
-read Yotsuba about 5x each volume
-progressed to read every Doraemon vol (45 books)
-proceeded to get the shonen jump magazine every week on nyaa and read through it without skipping a single page (each magazine is about 500 pages)
-watch netflix series with the japanese subs on
-watch every ghibli film with jp subs on
That was the first couple of years I think, I'm 4 years in and doing prety decently, if I may toot my own horn.
No.33704
>>33702thanks for the advice. ill admit ive been pretty slow so far (been about a year and a half since i first got into self studying) but i did manage to learn hiragana katakana and some kanji. i think its about time i got some kind of routine going though
No.33711
>>33702How people get the time for this? everyone says that to be fluent in 4 years you have to spend like 7 hours every day studying or immersing in Japanese,is everyone who eventually made it a NEET or something? how can an adult with a job get the time?
No.33714
>>33711I wasn't a NEET for the first couple of years of learning Japanese. This is obvious advice but you have to work with whatever time you have and most importantly, find a way to have fun and continue making progress at whatever level you find yourself in.
No.33725
>>33711The less time you spend on it the longer it would take. Hell you could probably practice 30 minutes a day and get somewhat decent eventually, but it would drastically increase how long it would take. Basically you just have to make it your hobby and keep at it and you will gradually improve(hopefully).
No.33739
Japanese inflection is such a piece of shit.
No.33839
What is the most effective method to learn?
>>33836Consume non-anime Japanese media such as documentaries, news, programs, etc?
No.33851
>>33836all about particles.
dictionary of (basic/intermediate/advanced) japanese grammar.
No.34049
>>30675Watch Evangelion or Serial Experiments Lain, both very easy
No.34052
>>34049literally WTF those are very hard to understand even with english subs.
>>30675If you want something easy try some moe anime or things like that, I watched Gakkou Gurashi with JP subs and I could understand most of it.
No.34156
>>34154Are you learning Japanese or just want the translation? I'll put the Japanese sentences down just in case you want to figure them out by yourself.
君の知るテラノを遥かに凌ぐ強うさを期待してもらってもかまわない。
Something like "You can expect a far stronger one than the Terrano you know."
Then he says
君が彼らを ゲームオーバー 彼らさせてしまえばいい
If you let them "game over" them
勝利者が得る超S級奴隷を君にあげよう
I'll give you the super class S slaves that the winner get.
Or something like that, my Japanese is not up there yet, but I guess that's a serviceable translation.
No.34157
>>34156thanks!
terano is a character in the series,im glad he will appear again
No.34180
I'm going to try learning japanese again.
No.34189
For anyone looking for a free alternative to Tae Kim/Genki in a video format, I suggest watching Cure Dolly's Japanese from Scratch playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWjIt emphasizes the usage and importance of particles (especially the concept of が), how verbs work and how to "conjugate" them (Japanese has an extensive system of attaching auxiliary verbs to verb stems), and she uses Alice in Wonderland to illustrate how to parse Japanese sentences. See if her method works for you.
No.34190
>>34189Cure dolly is pretty good, helped me a lot more than Tae Kim with grammar
No.34473
Hey wizzies. I just found out Jae Raws actually release the close captions for many of the anime they share on nyaa. So I'm cleaning and syncing them for fun. This is a really good way to improve your Japanese. If you're somewhere on intermediate level and you can watch anime but need Japanese captions to understand some of the dialogue this is perfect for you. I'll be releasing the captions for Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan, starting today.
Links to the raws:
https://nyaa.si/view/1279596https://nyaa.si/view/1279598http://www.mediafire.com/file/d71kncot37hfvsa/Crayon_Shin-chan_-_1048_SP.asshttp://www.mediafire.com/file/pkxnhqo4sogj8c6/fileI'm keeping the furigana as well as those can be quite helpful. I hope you enjoy it.
Remember they don't have seeds for a long time so try to get them as soon as it's released. I'll clean and sync the captions on the same day of release. Have fun!
No.34634
>>34473You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
No.34926
Been searching for this. Time to try again. Wish me luck, my fellow wizards.
No.35412
>>28813Looks like there is english version of this program called jishop.
I`m gonna stick to Russian version though.
No.35586
>>33702Care to share the grammar deck youre talking about?
No.35588
>>35587Thanks a lot anon! I'm gonna make you proud!.
Do you mind telling me how many new cards (6k/grammar) a day did you do when starting? Not sure how many should i do, since i have plenty of time cuz im a neet, but people say im gonna get burn out if i do +50 cards a day.
Also, the grammar deck is very good. Tho, online reference links doesn't work, you know any workaround? Is the online reference something that's not in the card? (I'm using the media version).
Anyway, thanks a lot for sharing such useful deck :)
No.35589
>>35588If I recall I started with 20 or so but I don't remember exactly how many. It takes a couple of weeks for the deck to really start to give you a lot of reviews to do. 50 might not seem like a lot if you have plenty of time but you have to remember that after a month or so the amount of reviewing you'll have to go through with 50 a day can get scary. Do the 50 if you really want to and once you start to get a lot of reviews just reduce the amount of new cards coming in. Nothing is set in stone with anki, you can change those numbers at any moment. Just don't let it get too out of hand with the amount of cards, avoid burnout and keep doing it everyday.
>online reference links doesn't workoh, I'm sorry about that, I don't have a work around that. Those cards are pretty complete in themselves though, you have a lot of examples and clear explanations for every grammar point, memorize the info in those cards alone and I'm pretty sure you'll be fine.
No.35667
>>35665Animelon Japanese subs are perfect.
They basically take it from kitsunekko (
https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F) and sync it with the raws you find on Nyaa. Very convenient indeed. I think I've watched over 600 hours of anime in there, very useful resource. Sometimes you'll find out of sync or broken episodes but it's a rather rare occurrence.
If you want to download Japanese subbed anime from Nyaa, Doraemon is released every week and it's perfect for beginners since it's a show for children. Very easy to understand. Grab them quickly because after a short while seeds dries out.
Here's the link for last week's ep, if you're interested:
https://nyaa.si/view/1345756>>35591Thanks, I try to keep this thread useful to all wiz out there.
No.35669
>>35667Nice, i was just searching subs after my last post and just found kitsunekko before reading your post. It's a very nice resource, just what i was looking for. Now, im gonna watch some anime even if i don't fully understand it, just for the inmersion.