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Want to start learning Japanese?
Here's some useful links to help you out.
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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true (A basic walkthrough of what to do first and what to expect)
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http://realkana.com/ (tool to learn the kana)
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http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar (grammar guide)
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http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi (setting up Anki)
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http://jisho.org/ (Japanese-English dictionary)
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http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ - (Actual Japanese dictionary for rare words and alternate definitions)
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https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rikaichan/ (Popup dictionary definitions when you hover over a word, Chrome version is called Rikaikun)
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/ (alternative to rikaichan)
Last thread: >>25255
みんなさん、がんばって！
No.33839
What is the most effective method to learn?
>>33836Consume non-anime Japanese media such as documentaries, news, programs, etc?
No.33851
>>33836all about particles.
dictionary of (basic/intermediate/advanced) japanese grammar.
No.34049
>>30675Watch Evangelion or Serial Experiments Lain, both very easy
No.34052
>>34049literally WTF those are very hard to understand even with english subs.
>>30675If you want something easy try some moe anime or things like that, I watched Gakkou Gurashi with JP subs and I could understand most of it.
No.34156
>>34154Are you learning Japanese or just want the translation? I'll put the Japanese sentences down just in case you want to figure them out by yourself.
君の知るテラノを遥かに凌ぐ強うさを期待してもらってもかまわない。
Something like "You can expect a far stronger one than the Terrano you know."
Then he says
君が彼らを ゲームオーバー 彼らさせてしまえばいい
If you let them "game over" them
勝利者が得る超S級奴隷を君にあげよう
I'll give you the super class S slaves that the winner get.
Or something like that, my Japanese is not up there yet, but I guess that's a serviceable translation.
No.34157
>>34156thanks!
terano is a character in the series,im glad he will appear again
No.34180
I'm going to try learning japanese again.
No.34189
For anyone looking for a free alternative to Tae Kim/Genki in a video format, I suggest watching Cure Dolly's Japanese from Scratch playlist:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLg9uYxuZf8x_A-vcqqyOFZu06WlhnypWjIt emphasizes the usage and importance of particles (especially the concept of が), how verbs work and how to "conjugate" them (Japanese has an extensive system of attaching auxiliary verbs to verb stems), and she uses Alice in Wonderland to illustrate how to parse Japanese sentences. See if her method works for you.
No.34190
>>34189Cure dolly is pretty good, helped me a lot more than Tae Kim with grammar
No.34473
Hey wizzies. I just found out Jae Raws actually release the close captions for many of the anime they share on nyaa. So I'm cleaning and syncing them for fun. This is a really good way to improve your Japanese. If you're somewhere on intermediate level and you can watch anime but need Japanese captions to understand some of the dialogue this is perfect for you. I'll be releasing the captions for Doraemon and Crayon Shin-chan, starting today.
Links to the raws:
https://nyaa.si/view/1279596https://nyaa.si/view/1279598http://www.mediafire.com/file/d71kncot37hfvsa/Crayon_Shin-chan_-_1048_SP.asshttp://www.mediafire.com/file/pkxnhqo4sogj8c6/fileI'm keeping the furigana as well as those can be quite helpful. I hope you enjoy it.
Remember they don't have seeds for a long time so try to get them as soon as it's released. I'll clean and sync the captions on the same day of release. Have fun!
No.34634
>>34473You're a good man, Charlie Brown.
No.34926
Been searching for this. Time to try again. Wish me luck, my fellow wizards.
No.35412
>>28813Looks like there is english version of this program called jishop.
I`m gonna stick to Russian version though.
No.35586
>>33702Care to share the grammar deck youre talking about?
No.35588
>>35587Thanks a lot anon! I'm gonna make you proud!.
Do you mind telling me how many new cards (6k/grammar) a day did you do when starting? Not sure how many should i do, since i have plenty of time cuz im a neet, but people say im gonna get burn out if i do +50 cards a day.
Also, the grammar deck is very good. Tho, online reference links doesn't work, you know any workaround? Is the online reference something that's not in the card? (I'm using the media version).
Anyway, thanks a lot for sharing such useful deck :)
No.35589
>>35588If I recall I started with 20 or so but I don't remember exactly how many. It takes a couple of weeks for the deck to really start to give you a lot of reviews to do. 50 might not seem like a lot if you have plenty of time but you have to remember that after a month or so the amount of reviewing you'll have to go through with 50 a day can get scary. Do the 50 if you really want to and once you start to get a lot of reviews just reduce the amount of new cards coming in. Nothing is set in stone with anki, you can change those numbers at any moment. Just don't let it get too out of hand with the amount of cards, avoid burnout and keep doing it everyday.
>online reference links doesn't workoh, I'm sorry about that, I don't have a work around that. Those cards are pretty complete in themselves though, you have a lot of examples and clear explanations for every grammar point, memorize the info in those cards alone and I'm pretty sure you'll be fine.
No.35667
>>35665Animelon Japanese subs are perfect.
They basically take it from kitsunekko (
https://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F) and sync it with the raws you find on Nyaa. Very convenient indeed. I think I've watched over 600 hours of anime in there, very useful resource. Sometimes you'll find out of sync or broken episodes but it's a rather rare occurrence.
If you want to download Japanese subbed anime from Nyaa, Doraemon is released every week and it's perfect for beginners since it's a show for children. Very easy to understand. Grab them quickly because after a short while seeds dries out.
Here's the link for last week's ep, if you're interested:
https://nyaa.si/view/1345756>>35591Thanks, I try to keep this thread useful to all wiz out there.
No.35669
>>35667Nice, i was just searching subs after my last post and just found kitsunekko before reading your post. It's a very nice resource, just what i was looking for. Now, im gonna watch some anime even if i don't fully understand it, just for the inmersion.
No.35755
Do any of you wizzies that know japanese go onto japanese imageboards and are they worth learning japanese to be able to to use?
I am fed up with how normalfag the western websites are so seriously considering learning japanese to talk with japanese people on jap websites.
No.35756
>>35755You are thoroughly deluded if you think there aren't normalfags in japan or on the japanese internet.
No.35757
>>35756I know there are normalfags but due to how many hikikomori there are I thought there may be more active imageboards for losers to talk in.
I get a feeing that there are pro suicide websites allowed to stay online in nippon also that could be good to talk with people.
No.35766
>>35755Learn Japanese for like a week or two to know the basics, then go to Japanese imageboards and try to parse the text with google translate and dictionary. That's what it took for me to realize that Japanese imageboards is just as if not more retarded than English ones. But I didn't hang out long and made my judgement quickly so maybe I am wrong.
No.35767
>>35766Don't ordainary people in japan use imageboards because they value anonymity meaning that the imageboards would be similar to a anonymous reddit with a Japanese culture that is anonymous so more open to sharing their true thoughts without worrying about being downvoted but still essentially normalfags?
I imagine there would be all types of chans in japan including many for losers because people are more open to using a IB in the first place.
No.35769
>>35767I kind of regretted acting know-it-all because I realized I know fuck all about Japanese or Japanese internet but I still think that my method is good to see if it's really suitable for you. Learn the basics of Japanese (the barest basics won't take too long), look for boards that seem loser-like, put the original and machine translated page side by side, get a pop-up or other kind of dictionary and then start working through it like you're some kind of ancient language scholar. The surest way is to see for yourself.
No.35771
>>35755Japanese imageboards are very frivolous and pretty inactive. If you wanted to actually have a discussion, you'd go to a textboard. The big one is 5ch. It can be decent entertainment but it's largely unmoderated and full of trolls and all kinds of repulsive malicious cretins. It's not generally dominated by normalfags, though there are some and otaku certainly love to shit on themselves.
There are other sites with better moderation. I browse one on shitaraba.com about a niche otaku interest, which is decent. There are boards specifically for hikki but I haven't looked closely at them. Here's the 5ch one:
https://matsuri.5ch.net/hikky/At least on the boards I've read, Japanese people are very cold to each other. There's no sense of community. It's mostly people flinging jokes and brief impressions back and forth. But if your only concern is escaping western-style normalfags, you might like that. Just don't expect to find people you actually like.
No.35772
>>35771On second thought, 5ch *is* dominated by normalfags – people who either adhere to the norms of their society or at least believe those norms are correct. But in my opinion, the norms of Japanese society are a bit less disgusting than the West's. They're still pretty bad though, and sometimes bad in ways that western norms aren't.
No.36795
>>34180I failed. I completly lost motivation again. Why is this stupid language learning curve so steepy
No.36796
>>36795Because japanese is one of the languages furthest from english.
No.36797
>>36796I'm not even an english speaker..
No.36798
>>36797But you likely have a native language closer to english than japanese.
No.36996
I've finally started, myself. Doing the usual. About two weeks in. I'll try to remember to check in once I've gotten somewhere. Merry Christmas.
No.37043
I've been studying about an hour a day for nearly a year, mostly by doing anki on the ride to/from work, along with a bit of grammar/reading whenever I have time. I've not studied kanji alone, I prefer to study them as I learn vocab, but I have the most common radicals down. Overall I've certainly made progress but at a snails pace. In comparison I studied French for a year in college and could do way way more with it than I now can with Japanese. But here is what I've figured out from the little experience I have.
Kanji for me is sometimes hard sometimes easy. When it has a small number of basic radicals, and is easy to make a mnemonic out of, I can remember it the first time seeing it. For example the kanji in 晴れる (hareru) which means to clear up/become sunny, is easy because the radicals are literally the sun next to blue, like a sunny sky. But many kanji it seems like someone just closed their eyes and randomly threw together some radicals, even worse when there are so many it turns into a clusterfuck. For these I've had to just memorize through brute force, I'm sure they're easier if one is very creative with mnemonics.
But aside from that, to remember readings/meanings I find it best to form a reference of some kind, any kind. A common one is to associate a word with either an opposite-like (対, tai) or same-like (同じ, onaji) word. For example to remember 閉じる (tojiru, to close), I associate it with 開ける (akeru, to open). And for same-like words, it is also useful as long as you remember what sets the words apart. So to remember 貰う (morau, to receive) I remember that it's the same meaning as kureru, except kureru is only ever used by the person receiving.
Also since there are many homophones and similar-sounding words, I can easily remember a word by knowing that it's the homophone of another word or close enough that I often confuse it. Like if I forget the reading of 紙 (kami, paper), I remember it's the same as 神 (kami, god) and 髪 (kami, hair). Or I would always mix up 起きる (okiru, to get up) with 置く (oku, to place) and especially 起こる and 起くる (to happen, to send) as all three share a kanji and sound very similar. But now I easily remember all of them by remembering the words I used to confuse them with. So effectively you can remember a word by forming a mental map of words they have similar sound/kanji/meanings to.
No.37422
Recently started learning japanese again the past month, I started a couple years ago but I gave up after a few months, still hiragana and katakana stuck with me, also remember a few kanji.
>>30950thank you, I know it's been 2 years(wow) but I'm finally gonna get on this
>>37043I have been trying to study radicals but they aren't sticking with me at all, I see the symbol and I know what it means in english but I have a lot of trouble remembering how to read them, I've been having a lot more luck in just learning words by seeing them used in sentences, I've been doing a few words every week, constant reviewing for a minimum of an hour a day, but usually 2-3
>In comparison I studied French for a year in college and could do way way more with it than I now can with JapaneseYes, same thing with german for me, japanese is like an alien language
No.37529
one month in, anyone wanna join in? I feel this is a good use of neet time
No.37816
>>37529OK I'll join in. I started again a bit a couple week ago. I studied the radicals and now I see them in characters. It doesn't look so random now.