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 No.28755[Last 50 Posts]

Want to start learning Japanese?
Here's some useful links to help you out.

-https://docs.google.com/document/d/1pKgBm8Aa58mjB1hYhbK-VOPZsRBTXBuPBzw8Xikm2ss/pub?embedded=true (A basic walkthrough of what to do first and what to expect)
-http://realkana.com/ (tool to learn the kana)
-http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar (grammar guide)
-http://pastebin.com/kXqhRbWi (setting up Anki)
-http://jisho.org/ (Japanese-English dictionary)
-http://dictionary.goo.ne.jp/ - (Actual Japanese dictionary for rare words and alternate definitions)
-https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/rikaichan/ (Popup dictionary definitions when you hover over a word, Chrome version is called Rikaikun)
http://rikaisama.sourceforge.net/ (alternative to rikaichan)

Last thread: >>25255

みんなさん、がんばって!

 No.28764

I've heard that imabi is worse than tae kim and genki, but I've read all of tae kim and skimmed through genki and now I've started imabi and its been helping me out the most. The way the information is presented is easier for me to understand and there are plenty of practice examples to ground the information in. I've heard imabi is bad because there is too much information, but I'm only half way through the beginner 1 section and it doesn't seem like that at all. Since I've already read all of tae kims grammar guide I may be getting through this faster than a complete beginner, but tae kims grammar guide did not have enough examples and I didn't understand all of the explanations of grammar rules well, so it was hard to remember the rules when I was using tae kims. I haven't had those problems since starting imabi. I don't like genki, its too easy and not enough explanation showns, though I only skimmed through it and didn't read it like I did with tae kims guide.

 No.28775

Has anyone made use of cloze cards on Anki or something besides Japanese on the front English on the back?

 No.28780

Yotsuba is becoming easier to read, I know most people prefer text without kanji but I would prefer yotsuba to have more kanji so it's easier to read.

 No.28784

>>28780
>I know most people prefer text without kanji
Only complete beginners and those who only pretend to learn languages. Kanji is a godsend for texts that contain a large number of 漢語.
Japs are pragmatic people and would've got rid of Kanji like Koreans did if they could objectively do without it.

 No.28797

>>28780
A lot of the words sound the same though. I haven't read yotsuba but I can't imagine why some think it's easier to read without kanji.

 No.28799

>>28797
A lot of kanji looks the same, too.
I imagine it depends on the brain. Some people remember the sound of the word better than the shape of the kanji and vice versa.

 No.28800

>>28799
Yeah, except in case of Japanese many Chinese-type words sound identical and thus require context. Kanji eliminate that problem, at least in written language.

 No.28802

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i am almost done with the first issue or volume

it's when they say long sentences that it becomes difficult. bubbles with only 2 or 3 words is easy

 No.28803

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why does 方 mean one here?

 No.28804

>>28803
it means "one that looks/acts in a certain way" in this context

 No.28809

https://www.japanpowered.com/anime-articles/manga-sound-effect-guide

i probably should have looked at this before reading manga

 No.28810

Is there a mobile app for studying like Duolingo, but better?

 No.28811

>>28810
There's Lingodeer. Most apps are the same and get you to the same level of very basic fluency. There's Memrise or Anki if you want a SRS.

 No.28812

I would read more manga if there was a way to look up words easily. Typing it out or having to put together kanji in a dictionary is just too time consuming. I don't see how people do it

 No.28813

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>>28812
I just quickly doodle 1-3 radicals and search the kanji that has them. The utility I use isn't in English though, but I'm sure there must be English equivalents using the same principal.


Btw if there are any other Russian-speaking wizzies here who also happen to learn Jap, I totally recommend Yarxi (although I bet you would already know about it).

 No.28814

>>28813
Can't help but ask, why do you have Windows XP on the screenshot?

 No.28815

>>28814
What made you think it's XP? I'm using 10 in fact.
The program's interface is kinda oldstyle though, yeah.

 No.28818

>>28817
I can read Yotsuba, the site I use works with Rikaikun so I can hover over unknown words easily and see a translation, but that's not an option on other sites with manga unfortunately. I agree clozemaster is good, nice layout and it's faster paced than Anki so you can get more words faster

 No.28831

>>28813
(はい、ここです))

 No.28834

>>28815
Blurry small font, and retro look of buttons and window title bars. All right, never mind then.

 No.28835

>>28834
The font appears blurry because the screenshot is jpeg.

 No.28836

chi's sweet home seems easier to read than yotsuba

 No.28837


 No.28847

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what does deke-na mean?

 No.28848

>>28847
Same as でかいね, only more informal and colloquial.

 No.28849

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>>28848

i thought so. the english manga translates it as "it's huge"

i thought maybe it had some connection to deka(which is used earlier in the manga)

 No.28851

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 No.28852

>>28851
Yeah, colloquial Japanese has various ways of contracting/omitting endings and such.

 No.28927

I've already learnt hiragana, and I'm curious about how long will it take to be able to read Yotsuba, or in other words, to reach the six step in that guide?

 No.28928

>>28927
It will largely depend on how much and how often studying you're doing. I can only tell you my personal experience. I was studying everyday for 2 to 3 hours and it took me about 6 months. That was the point there was some enjoyment to be had with the process. The truth is though I was trying to read it pretty much from the second month onwards. Every end of the month I would try reading a volume but before the 6 months mark it felt way more like deciphering than anything else. There was a lot of staring at sentences trying to figure things out. Not to mention practically every page there were words I didn't know or were contracted in a way that even if I knew them, still puzzled me. Then around 6 months in, things began to fall into place, though many longer sentences still needed close inspection and of course there was still constant visits to the dictionary, but it didn't feel like pure deciphering anymore. At that point it felt I was doing some reading along with the deciphering.

I think you should try to read it as soon as possible. Once you have the kana down, understand how particles work and some very basic vocabulary, you should try reading Yotsuba. Regardless of how much study you have, native material is going to look pretty frightening and difficult at first. The most important thing is not how soon but how long are you willing to persevere.

Now if by reading you mean just cracking up a volume and being able to go through without bumps, dictionary visits and at quick passe, that'll take a lot longer.

 No.28929

>>28928
thanks for answering my question.

 No.28933

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 No.28934

>>28933
no way jose doraemon

 No.28935

>>28933
She calls herself an otaku btw, lol.
But jokes aside, hers is probably the best Japanese teaching channel on youtube.

 No.28939

>>28933
Didn't bother watching the one linked, but I did watch a large portion of her transitive/intransitive verbs video and the info in it is sound. The format is awful though, with information constantly blinking in and out of the screen. For example she will constantly make comparisons with information that is no longer on screen or mentioning some other video she did (not even mentioning the title so you can look), you would use more time going through the video's list than studying. I wouldn't recommend this over text format to anyone. Maybe if you're using it as leisure after doing real studying it's alright.

>someone asks a simple question in the comments section

>nobody can answer it and the thing derails into idiotic jokes

Serves me right for scrolling down on a yt video.

>>28935
>best Japanese teaching channel on youtube
Let that be a warning then. Don't try to learn through youtube.

 No.28940

>>28939
I watched all of her grammar videos this summer. Really helped me to fill the gaps or misunderstandings that remained after reading the Manga Way and grammar guides.

She also gives some useful info on what words and phrases are outdated or used less or aren't polite enough, or on subtle differences in context and meaning between what might seem like synonyms.

Of course I wouldn't recommend using it (or any youtube channel like that) as the primary source of studying either. But as supplementary stuff it might work for some (for those who can tolerate a 3dpd succ face on screen, that is).

 No.28967


 No.28968


 No.28997

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オズミざんしき

i can't find this in the dictionary wtf is?

 No.28998

>>28997
It's ネズミ, not オズミ. オズミざんしき is not a word but ねずみ and 算式 are. ネズミ算式に増えちゃいます (the number of mice increase).

 No.28999

>>28998

oh

i can't read katakana very well. i haven't bothered to learn it

oh sanshiki. why does it say zanshiki?

 No.29000

>>28999
Hm, I glanced over the page and assumed it was 算式. You're right, it's actually ねずみ算, which means proliferation. Insterestingly enough, ねずみ算+式 or なずみ+算式 doesn't really chance the meaning of the sentence here.

>i haven't bothered to learn it

What? That's half the kana you're neglecting. Do bother to learn it.

 No.29001

>>29000

i know katakana but not by heart. sometimes i forget katakana due to not using it as often as hiragana

 No.29059

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2018 is almost over. Already it's been a year since I last asked you this question. How well did your studies go this year? Did you gave up on it? Kept going? What are your study plans for 2019?

For myself it went OK. Again I could've done better but at least I didn't skip a single day of it. This year consisted pretty much of watching every single netflix series that had Japanese subs to it several times. Some of the series I've watched every episode about for 8 times. Had nothing better to do. It helped a lot. For 5 months now I've also began to write down Kanji, something I didn't bother doing it when I first started but now I can really feel the difference between being able to recognize and being able to actually output it. It's a night and day difference, for me at least. Words seem a lot easier to remember now because of it, which got my Anki time way down. Other than that, read severals bits and pieces of novels you can find on DJT. Got pretty far on with トットちゃん, ended up dropping it 3/4 in.

 No.29090

>>29059
Mostly procrastination but the last 3 months have been very good. I've gotten halfway through RTK and moved on to sentence mining (The order I studied it was different so it covered more ground and was more useful, if I continue it's diminishing returns. I know how to make mnemonics now so learning new kanji isn't that difficult) and accumulated 630 cards. I've been able to immerse more recently, usually 3-5 hours a day which is great.

Progress has been very fast but there's still so much I have yet to learn which makes me want to give up but I know I shouldn't. My plan for 2019 is to keep doing this and keep a steady plan of 10-20 new words a day to avoid overwhelming myself. I might start mining anime since I've been putting it off.

 No.29107

>>29059
I reached a level where reading VNs is slow and I still need a text hooker but can be enjoyed. I need to work more on my grammar but am very happy with how my vocabulary and reading speed have come along. Another year of this kind of progress and I will be happy.

 No.29109

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what does da with shi added to it mean?

isshou dashi

 No.29110

>>29109
し connects parts of a sentence here, so it means "and". It's kinda informal.

 No.29111

>>29059
but at least I didn't skip a single day of it.
This is the main thing though and is an achievement in itself.

For me most of the year went pretty good but this last month has been awful and I've spent most of my free time watching youtube and browsing chans. I guess my reading speed/vocabulary has increased but I've been in this game for a long time and the need/motivation to improve has diminished greatly.

 No.29114

>>29109
>>29110
Actually not as much "and" but rather more like "since" in regards to the phrase it follows.

 No.29116

>>28939
>Don't try to learn through youtube
Unless it's a Japanese video intended for Japanese people and not a video about learning Japanese

 No.29122

>>29109

this manga must have come out recently because she has a smart phone

 No.29131

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what does わいから mean?

 No.29137

>>29131
私から

That creature speaks in the Kansai dialect.

 No.29139

http://www.kansaiben.com/1.Characteristics/index.html

i'll study this

i never knew meccha was kansai dialect

 No.29147

>>29137

is しといたろ kansai ben too?

 No.29154

I completed RTK but I'm forgetting kanji, especially the later ones in the book. Despite doing more reviews than new kanji per day and having strong mnemonics, I still forget some kanji like 連. Is that normal or should I change something? I know them during reviews but often coming across it in an actual word, I forget it

 No.29155

>>29154
Obviously you WILL forget kanji unless you encounter them in texts.

 No.29156

>>29154
>I know them during reviews but often coming across it in an actual word, I forget it

The only thing that solved for me was actually writing Kanji down. Everyday for 40 to 60 minutes I sit down and write some Kanji. Muscle memory goes such a long way you wouldn't believe it. I wish I had done that from the beginning, it would have saved me so much time in the long run.

Some people will tell you if you just read a lot it eventually gets into your brain and that's true to an extent. However I have about 3k accumulated hours of reading everything under the sun and would still get shaky on a bunch of Kanji if they were in words I didn't know. Writing it down solved this completely.

That's my personal experience with it, at least.

 No.29192

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 No.29193

>>29192
What were you reading to find that interesting word?

 No.29199

>>29193

i was watching good doctor(kento plays an autistic doctor) and someone mentioned kappa
i didn't know what that was, so i looked it up and i found this word

 No.29271

Just wanted to say that today for the very first time I was reading a book and the pleasure outweighed frustration by a considerable margin. It took me exactly 2 years, 7 months and 22 days of daily study to reach this point. There's still a long way to go but a weight has been lifted. Ever since dropping light novels to focus on more hefty text it has been what it seemed like an uphill battle and today it finally feels I'm not completely stupid. Finally! After relapses and going back to vns and manga I didn't even particularly care about, I can read some of the stuff I really want to read without feeling completely frustrated and dumb. I don't remember the last time I felt happy about something and specially I can't remember a time I felt happy over a result of my own effort and merit but today I can say I'm very happy. It was the hardest thing I've ever done in my life.

 No.29272

Do you wizzies have a goal for number of words you want to know? A decent minimum is probably 7.000, but 10.000 would be ideal though, for me at least. Right now it's all theoretical as to the general capabilities at each vocabulary level. Generally, the higher numbers would be better but there's a point where it's just useless since a word may be used once in an old text that no one reads.

 No.29281

>>29272

enough to understand japanese like native speaker

 No.29361

明けましておめでとう !

 No.29362

>>29361
明けましておめでとうございます!これからも一緒に頑張ろう。今年はn1レベルに目指している。

 No.29363

I admire you guys. I could not even learn english all I know is just repetition of words from games without knowing any rules.

 No.29376

>>29363
Ya, I don't know if I will ever get this. I get a few words from listening to anime/games with Jap audio, but the kana is crucial to learning, and I can't seem to get it down at all.

 No.29549

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wtf is だいりょう?

 No.29550

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>>29549

ah it means big catch

 No.29551

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 No.29588

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Last year I began learning Japanese and had to drop it after some 6-8 months and now I want to get back to it. I had finished core2k and Tae Kim when I stopped practising, should I start again from zero? It seems like beginning the core anki decks once again would be an unbearable pain for me, do you wizards think it's worth it?

 No.29594

>>29588
Continue doing the reviews from where you left it, no reason to reset the whole thing. And start reading Yotsuba.

 No.29595

>>29588
Just start sentence mining and reading/watching things like yotsuba or some slice of life anime. If you can bear it, maybe pick up an RTK deck

 No.29601

>>29594
I'm kind of scared of what doing that'll get me. I might have more than 2k reviews just waiting for me to open anki.

>>29595
I'll definetly do this though. Do you have any advice about how to begin my own deck though? I used to just send my mined words to anki using Yomichan but I was never quite satisfied with the resulting cards.

 No.29602

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>>29601
A long way to go…

 No.29678

>>29601
I can describe what I do but it might be better to describe some guidelines I follow of what to add and how:

1. It should be i+1. There's more info about the concept online but basically there's only one unknown word/grammar point in a sentence or clause. That simplifies the process of reviewing and makes it easier to retain

2. It has to be real Japanese. I only mine from anime with japanese subtitles, manga, comments written by japanese people, etc. nothing artificial except:

3. If I cannot find an i+1 sentence then I might check Tatoeba or Weblio for an example sentence that's i+1

4. I don't add a lot then burn out and add nothing for days or weeks. I make sure to add a smaller amount that's maintainable even if it changes, being consistent is better than pushing yourself until you crash. That may be 5 new cards a day or it may be 30 but having a maintainable amount is important.

5. Personally in cards, I usually add the meaning of the kanji, it just makes it easier to remember them if I forgot or don't rememeber the meaning clearly

6. Only use sentences or clauses, never single words and only go from japanese to english. Pretty basic and common sense but 99% of premade decks I see either go from english to japanese or use single words instead of a sentence.

7. Audio is good. I made a mistake and used audio on the front of cards for a while but a few months ago I realised doing that only helps reading and listening partially. Now I mix either audio on the front with the sentence on the back or sentence on the front with the furigana and/or audio on the back. That way I test the skills separately and can at least get benefit in one more so than half assing both which is almost useless when you come across that word again but can only vaguely recall its meaning

8. I usually limit the amount of cards from one source at a time to maybe 5 at most. It just makes reviewing tedious if it's all from one source, at least for me. But reusing sources is nice since it obviously makes that content more comprehensible.

9. This is only a very recent thing that I'm still getting used to but after you have a good base and can understand things, start using simple monolingual definitions instead of translations. I have a deck with the most common 5000 words with relatively simple definitions on the front with the word on the back. I have a goal of being able to use a monolingual dictionary so if that's a goal then I highly recommend the deck or at least using simple definitions you can understand more and more along with translations for words that have an overly complex monolingual definition.

Link to the deck for future reference https://mega.nz/#!p5EAEaz

10. I delete a lot of cards if the word isn't sticking or if it just doesn't make sense or for whatever reason. Maybe just bad formatting. I have a goal of 10000 cards but it's not about having that number, it's more about having a general relatively high-ish number of understandable cards. I've gone through many thousands of flashcards but just because you see them or memorise the card doesn't mean you will actually retain the information. Just to make the reviewing process easier and actually useful, I just delete bad cards I made.

Hopefully that gave a little bit of of a guide of how to start a sentence mining deck. It's both a direct answer as well as hopefully a useful future reference if this thread is looked at in a few months or something by some lurker

 No.29684

>>29678
>Only use sentences or clauses, never single words and only go from japanese to english. Pretty basic and common sense but 99% of premade decks I see either go from english to japanese or use single words instead of a sentence.

The point is to learn the reading and basic meaning to speed up the process of actually acquiring the word from native content. For me, vocabulary cards work at least as well for that purpose as sentence cards. They can also be created and reviewed in less time. That saved time can be used to do more cards or consume native content. You cannot fully learn a word from a single flashcard anyway.

 No.30083

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Anyone else sad when coming across a perfectly fine kanji that has been almost entirely replaced by kana?

 No.30092

>>30083
Is that suppose to be りんご anon? Because that would be 林檎, not 木檎.

 No.30093

>>30092
It's a single kanji: 檎.

 No.30094

>>30093
You're right. I realized as soon as I posted but didn't delete it to punish myself for being to eager to correct others.

 No.30097

Anyone tried going to japan to study japanese 1~2 years? It seems expensive

 No.30365

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkdmU8hGK4Fg3LghTVtKltQ/videos

been listening to these videos along with using a couple apps on my phone for reading and writing japanese, I think they're nice and the person explains japanese grammar well

I started with
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSvH9vH60Ig
this video, just wondering if there's any wizzies here who know japanese well, opinions?

 No.30366

>>30365
Been studying Japanese for 3 years now. Whatever method that keeps you going and putting as much hours as possible every day is worth it. The important thing is to do every day for as long as possible. That's really the only important thing. For me was Anki, writting sentences by hand sometimes and sweating through manga. I did every single day and now I can at least most manga and games without much trouble. It wasn't any particular method, it was me putting literally thousands of hours into it. On the other hand, no matter what method you pick, if you go on for 3 months and then stop, it won't do any good.

 No.30401

Is there any hope in actually learning Japanese as somebody who just wants to learn the language as a hobby? I don't really have any goals at all with Japanese. I don't have a particularly strong desire to consume anime, manga, games, VNs, or television in Japanese. Though I certainly would do so in order to help me learn the language and also occasionally for fun if I ever did manage to get good enough at Japanese to do so. I also don't really want to go to japan or necessarily talk to Japanese people at any point.

I am just a really bored person who thinks they may have a knack for language learning. I had always tested very well in reading comprehension, and writing to a lesser degree. I am not sure how much of that ability would transfer into learning another language however.

I have been doing anki flashcards for over a week now. At first it was a little bit frustrating, but I have kind of gotten into a groove now and look forward to spending an hour or two on it every day. I now know many of the commonly used hirangana by sight which is helping out a lot in remembering the words for some reason. I downloaded the Japanese version of "Yotsuba" and am beginning to try to decipher it using various online tools, not sure if thats useful or recommended or not. Maybe I wont actually get anywhere and give up at some point but it has been fun so far.

 No.30402

>>30401
Sure, I'm 3 years in and do it simply as hobby. I do have a strong interest in Japanese literature though, so I have a goal of sorts with the language. It's not what carried me through it though, discipline and routine did.

I've learned English simply as hobby as well and let me asure you, Japanese is fucking hard if you're coming from a Western language, for obvious reasons. I remember by the third year of English study I could understand science fiction movies and fairly complicated books. With Japanese I still struggle to watch kids stuff, sometimes even with Japanese subtitles on.

If you're not serious about it, and it seems you're not (2 hours is not enough imo, I would put 6 everyday and for the past 6 months I will read Japanese for 8+ hours and I still suck at it to be honest) I advise maybe trying a Western language instead. My sister did French for like 2 years and she could read literary classics like The 3 Musketeers fairly well at that point. Something unthinkable if you pick Chinese or Japanese.

Not trying to discourage you in any way but in order to learn a language as different from English as Japanese or Chinese, you have to be committed for a very long time and put long hours per day into it. If you're doing out of boredom and only a couple of hours per day, it might be a better idea to pick a language closer to your mother tongue that you could master in 3 or 4 years. Sometimes I check Italian or German articles on Wikipedia and it's amazing how much I can understand of those without ever putting a second of learning into it. I would go with French myself, giving all the literature and Belgian comic books I could read.

 No.30403

>>30402
Ah thanks for the response. I kind of figure I will give up well before I was able to learn any language so maybe it doesn't matter what language I learn. I am not a super weeb or anything, but I am still a lot more interested in Japanese than I would be in any other language.

I'm not necessarily opposed to doing it more every day though. I am a neet so I probably could. I am not sure if I could keep it up without burning out but I could try. I don't know what I would do though. Just do more anki flashcards? Or read about grammar and stuff? What would you do for 6 hours a day if you had to restart from scratch?

 No.30404

>>30403
Reading about grammar is no way to learn it. You need to apply the grammar you try to learn often and continuously. To do that efficiently you need a workbook to basically give you homework and the solutions to it to correct it yourself.

 No.30405

>>30403
I think you're doing pretty much what I did. In the morning I would get up and spend 1h or so doing the Core 10k on Anki. Then I would go and read Japanese the Manga Way (http://gen.lib.rus.ec/book/index.php?md5=55684D7AC08A4A16355A5E94344C5A3B) doing notes and going over the examples, after that I would just try to make sense out of Yotsuba and write down words, just to get that muscle memory for Kanji going. Whatever material you find interesting and helps you to keep going is good enough. Remember the important thing is to keep going no matter what. It's not a sprint race, it's going to take a long time and it can get very frustrating. Stick in there long enough and you'll improve.

 No.30406

>>30405
Is it really important to write down Kanji by hand if all I really want to do is read Kanji? I think it might be kind of fun to do in and of itself but is it worth spending the time doing it? I imagine it might help you tell the differences between similar looking characters wont it.

 No.30407

>>30406
It's not necessary, but retaining them long-term and yes, distinguishing very similar ones, becomes infinitely more easier when you learn to write them and also learn how they are constructed.

 No.30408

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 No.30411

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watching dramas is the best way to learn japanese

 No.30435

anyone using human japanese? I'm going through it now, it's fun, and explains grammar well so far. It did cost money ($20) but luckily my mom is happy to buy me books and academic things like that

I'm trying to convince my mom to learn japanese with me, I want her to take me to okinawa so we can tour together

also trying to work up to be able to understand this stuff
https://www3.nhk.or.jp/news/easy/
so far I can almost decipher headlines with lots of back and forth with the dictionary, but most of the time I cant make sense

 No.30438

>>30411
>3dpd

>>30435
>human japanese
What is that?

 No.30440

>>30438
>3dpd
lol crabhurt

>What is that?

https://www.humanjapanese.com

 No.30441

>>30435
it's a little ebook program that has quizzes built in and stuff, there is a nice deck on memrise to study the content as well that I've been using

 No.30442

>>30440
>saging the thread on top
Retard

>>30441
Why not just use anki?
I didn't know memrise was still relevant in anyway. Being bad and all.

 No.30450

>>30442
anki is just flash cards, memrise has typing exercises which I like a lot, also I don’t know how you think memrise is bad, it has a whole bunch of great user created stuff

 No.30452

https://linguaholic.com/linguablog/oyasumi/
>Oyasumi is one of about a dozen words that you’ll definitely want to know by heart if you ever plan on travelling to Japan, or even just want to make nice with your ex-pat neighbor. The meaning of oyasumi (and the meaning of oyasuminasai) is deceptively simple.

just thought it was interesting

 No.30459

>>30450
>user created
That is the problem. There is outright wrong info, and otherwise bad content. If you want to actually learn Japanese, I recommend Tae Kim's book and 日本語の森 for grammar. The latter may be hard for beginners, because they only speak Japanese.

>>30449

>>30453
>doesn't learn from telling once
Thanks for outing yourself. You can go back to 4chan now.

 No.30462

>>30459
>Thanks for outing yourself. You can go back to 4chan now.

Really ironic that you are on a /jp/ board and yet have such a minimal understanding of what sage is and in a thread about learning Japanese no less, have you ever even been on Japanese imageboards?

 No.30463

>>30462
Now you are just making things up. But please, tell me what sage means in your opinion so I can laugh.
Also here is a word of the day for you: 懲りない

 No.30464

>>30463
Ugh… Sage is a feature that enables a user not to bump a thread. The reason why this was made was so that if a user felt that his post was not worth bumping the thread(because it wasn't a good post, it was not relevant to the thread or for whatever reason) he would not have to, the point of sage was not to be rude, it was the opposite of that. Infact I am being rude now by not saging as this is an example of the use sage was made for, we are not talking about something relevant to the thread so we would both use sage so as not to bump this thread up to the front page with irrelevant posts.

 No.30465

>>30464
Yeah, but it is also meaningless to sage thread that is on top. That is basic. Well, at least you knew half of it.

 No.30466

>>30464
Ahh I should also add, in addition to this it may seem pointless that one should sage a thread that is on top anyway but part of the point of sage and why it is visible is because it shows that you the poster acknowledge that it is not relevant or worth bumping. Also indecently here is another use of sage, to correct a post that one has just made.

 No.30468

I wish I had begun doing the kangxi radicals anki deck before starting the core 2k/6k deck. It has become actually surprisingly easy to give names to these shapes and it makes recognizing and differentiating new character way easier. The only problem is that I am having to relearn words I had previously memorized. I now see the individual shapes of each character in a new light but have to again reassociate them to a word. I am only about 200 words deep into the 2k/5k deck though so I am glad I am doing it now instead of later.

 No.30556

anyone else here going over their japanese flash cards and you get like 95% of them correct but still feel like you're missing something? I feel like I wouldn't be able to read these kanji out in the wild

 No.30558

>>30556
I suppose this is because you only see them isolated on your flash cards when you are focusing on recalling whatever the answer side of your card may say. What you likely need imo is both reading practice and writing practice. The former can be real world japanese text or from a workbook depending on your progress and the latter will help you combine the two masses that are probably separate entities in your learning routine - grammar and vocabulary - into simultaneously available, connected information.

 No.30588

Does anyone know of any good news sites in japanese for reading practice? I heard reading news is a good way to practice but I have a hard time using the sites that I have found.

 No.30589


 No.30590

>>30589
Oh, that is awesome! Way more than I expected. Thanks!

 No.30618

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>>30589
JP news with furigana over the kanji? Nice.

 No.30636

Im "recruiting" japanese speackers to start an alliance with the hikkis from 2 chan.
i consider the japanese neets advanced wizards,and we would benefits from their interacion and advice.
>also anyone have that image of cirno smoking in an abandoned building?
I talked with a korean guy trough an app before,asian people are interesting,i want to talk to them about life and school

 No.30637

>>30636
Why would you want such a disgusting image? degenerate.

 No.30639

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>>30637
I like it for its ironic value

 No.30640

is it worth it learning to read japanese just to read manga?
there are many raw manga which arent translated and will never be,i think id need about 100 volumes of raw manga to motivate me to start.
how long does it take to learn to read,starting from zero?
im already bilingual and now i have free time.

 No.30644

>>30640
May or may not be worth it depending on how badly you want to read the manga. Besides commissioning people to translate it for you it is probably the only way you will ever be able to read a lot of the old untranslated stuff.

As for how long it takes to begin reading it probably depends on what you want to read. If it is targeted at grade or middle schoolers then it is much easier to "read" because it will have hiragana above the kanji that makes it far easier to look up words. If it doesn't have that then it will be much much harder until later on.

You can probably start "reading" the simple stuff after a month or two of diligent study. By reading I mean looking up most of the words online and only having a loose grasp of what any sentence means until you get a better grasp of the grammer.

The good news is that if you are really passionate about reading like this then you are lucky because reading is the best way to learn the language besides maybe moving to Japan.

 No.30675

Does anyone know a good simple japanese cartoon to watch for beginners in the language? I've been studying about an hour every day for a bit over a month, I watched some kid shows recently and I could hardly piece together sentences, just picked up a few words every now and then, sometimes even I heard words that didn't seem to make sense in the context, like in one show a cashier asked the main character if he knew how much of something he was gonna buy and he replied ”きたない”, which as far as I know means "dirty" or something like that, is there like a slang dictionary somewhere I can use?

 No.30680

>>30675
Sounds like you misheard what they were saying. There's also the problem of slang and how the sounds are mushed together when normal people speak so it's hard to understand.
Personally I recommend reading kids books first. It gives you time to digest a sentence and piece together its meaning, and you won't mishear it since it's written. Eventually you get faster at getting meaning out of sentences and then can transition to spoken form.

 No.30688

>>29602
How do you have a mining deck that has words on "due"?

 No.30689

>>30556
>>30558
Or it is just a case of active and inactive vocabulary.
Inactive works better when you read it in sentence.

 No.30690

>>30688
You review seen cards in a mining deck just like any other.

 No.30698

>>30675
Not sure how to obtain it, but maybe you could acquire anime with Japanese subtitles for the hard of hearing?

 No.30949

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>>30698
That's the original purpose of subtitles, right?

<MUSIC PLAYS> <LOUD NOISE>

 No.30950

>>30675
>>30698
This site has subtitle files for a large number of shows, including most (maybe all, not sure) currently airing shows.

http://kitsunekko.net/dirlist.php?dir=subtitles%2Fjapanese%2F

 No.30951

>>30950
should've clarified - Japanese subtitle files

 No.30974

reading tae kim. only 100 pages in or so, so i'm not sure if this is covered later, but i was told only nouns can come before が? so one way to turn a verb clause into a gerund to make it a valid topic/subject is to add こと? anyone know if this is true/if there are other ways to turn verb clauses into gerunds?

 No.31085

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Help me please wizzies I'm at this part in tae kim's.

This part is so damn confusing,first it says that いけない/ならない conjugate like i adjectives (even when they're not adjectives) then it uses them like verbs in ます/ありません form…that's not how adjectives should be used!

Anyone can help me with this? いけない/ならない are supposed to be conugated like i adjectives or verbs? also they're the same as in いけない = negative form of 行く and ならない negative form of なる or something completely different.

 No.31086

Is becoming fluent in Japanese (enough to watch anime without subtitles) feasible for a /dep/ wizard? I’ve given up on everything I’ve ever started. I hear it takes 8 years to become fluent in Japanese.

 No.31087

>>31086
I started learning japanese for a few months, got hit with a wave of depression and haven't touched it in a month, hardly remember anything, probably a waste of time

 No.31088

>>31086
8 years seems like way too long. I have heard 4-5 years, but I think that includes being able to speak it very well and write very well too. If you don't care about speaking it and writing characters (typing is much easier anyway) then you can probably do it faster.

 No.31094

>>31086
You can probably start watching raws in less than a year if you put enough time in each day. First few months are the hardest because it's a lot of "classic" studying like reading grammar guides and grinding vocab cards. Once you can start consuming native material it becomes fun.

If your only purpose in learning is for raw anime I don't know if there's really a point though, because other than some older obscure anime I think most of it is already subbed.

Also discipline > motivation

 No.31095

Soo…no one can help me with this >>31085?

 No.31109

>>31085
いけない and ならない are the negative forms of いける and なる. All verbs with -ない attached conjugate in the same way as -i adjectives. -ません is an alternative negative form that conjugates differently.

 No.31118

I have a condition and sadly cannot write or make precise strokes. Is there a way to learn Japanese despite this?

 No.31119

>>31118
Just type?

 No.31140

>>31119
OK ty fren. Should I get jap keyboard or can I make it with my shitty Microsoft one

 No.31143

>>31140
You don’t need a Japanese keyboard to type. You can just enter the romaji and then hit space until you get what you want. You’ll have to set your language to Japanese though, so that depends on your OS.

 No.31157

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Could someone please translate?
(it was on an image, can't copypaste)

 No.31158

>>31157
鬼神

 No.31159

>>31158
thanks!

 No.31168

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>>31157
Wizards lacking the comprehension of a given kanji character may try looking up the radicals at jisho.org .
I realize it's much faster and reliable than OCR once you start figuring out which radicals mean what.

 No.31175

>>31168
gooogle translate also has a good handwriting-to-kanji reader that i use to identify kanji i haven't seen before. of course, it helps more if you know general stroke order of kanji

 No.31179

>>31168
I find radical lookup easier and I don't know what the radicals mean

 No.31204

Difference between 見ため and 外観? I am still a beginner on anki decks learning vocab. Trying to master at least some vocab before I move onto grammar and reading beginner manga.

 No.31205

>>31204
You can't master the nuance of words without lots of reading and listening. Just learn the general sense. For one, plenty of words are exact synonyms with no real difference.
In this case, though, 見た目 is more likely to be used to describe people and sounds more casual, while 外観 is more likely to be used for objects and sounds more technical. This follows the general pattern of Japanese (kun) origin words being more everyday speech, while Chinese-origin (on) words sound more academic (for the same reason Latin-origin words often sound technical in English – Chinese was the language scientific documents were written in).

 No.31274

How long should somebody spend a day learning this?

 No.31275

>>31274
I spent about 4 hours a day when I first started learning and was going through kanji, grammar, and vocab. When I started reading I think I was doing 10-12 hours a day but that's kind of extreme.

I don't think you should stress too much about time though, better to focus on consistent progress like learning a certain number of new kanji and vocab words each day, going through a certain number of grammar lessons, or reading a certain number of chapters of manga. Maybe try 2 hours to start if you really want a set schedule.

 No.31276

The Tae Kim link doesn't work any more, did he close his website?

 No.31288

>>31276
its up

 No.31394

A while back I watched a Chinese anime and it seemed like I had less time to read the subtitles than usual. Idk why I waited until now to google it, but I was wondering if Chinese had a higher information density or something today so I did google it and I came across this interesting article:
https://www.tofugu.com/japanese/why-do-japanese-people-talk-so-fast/

It seems Chinese does in fact have a much higher information density and also information rate than Japanese although the information rate of Chinese is pretty comparable to most European languages so perhaps I would have noticed the same thing going from Japanese to any other language since it looks like Japanese is the odd one out, being much slower in information rate and much less information dense and spoken faster to compensate. It also makes sense that they omit words that can be understood via context to save time because their language is so much less information dense.

This has interesting implications for wizards who have a slower mental tempo. If they can learn to keep up with the words coming out of their mouth, it will actually allow them more time to think in Japanese compared to other languages.

 No.31420

>>31394
I actually like that anime has them pronounce every syllable after trying out live-action j-dramas.

 No.31442

>>28933
kill me honestly. I remember watching this and hearing that and just thinking to myself how much I dislike living.

 No.31445


 No.31446

>>31445
Not sure if this is the site that you are talking about. But the tae kim guide is here as well.
https://itazuraneko.neocities.org/grammar/taekim.html

 No.31447

>>31445
I insist the site is up and the pdf of the book too
http://www.guidetojapanese.org


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