why does it matter if anime is mainstream
Profit dictates artistic direction. Anime will be made that in such a way that it is targeted at normalplebs.
has been since shonenshit started airing on tv.
for the west that is, most of anime has been normalfaggot in japan since its dawn.
the real issue you aren't considering is that the more expensive and profitable anime becomes the less creative space there is, because execs want to avoid risk at all cost.
doesn't matter that much since mangaka have a lot more freedom to do what they want, but it still is unfortunate.
if you stick to watching old stuff, sure.
modern mecha sucks hard.
There's watching anime, and then there's having a normie interest in anime. Most normie anime watchers today have only seen what is available on crunchyroll and only the most recent stuff. They will never watch something like Urusei Yatsura, although they'll probably watch the remake which pisses me off.
>>39023>has been since shonenshit started airing on tv
Oh so since anime's inception?
there are a number of barriers to entry for anime:
1. it's in a foreign language with alienating cultural norms (for normalfags)
2. decades of self-referential culture and internal humor is hard to overcome
3. the futurist aesthetic is too spicy for people who cry rivers when a tv advert offends them
4. it's youthful and experimental (are anime studios the youngest media industry in the world?) and all the innovation is done for free by hobbyists
5. japan isn't at liberty to lose its cultural grip because of its military situation (same with cars and semiconductors)
canada attempted to become a media powerhouse with tax incentives and it largely failed (a bunch of video game studios are headquartered there, but produce nothing of note because they are culturally impotent) what will be unrecognizable by the end of the decade is mainstream culture in the west, not anime
>idiot starts liking anime
>soon adopts anime as the main trait of his identity
>instead of enjoying the media wastes time finding other casuals talking about anime on social media
>suddenly realizes millions of other people like anime too
>angry about it because he realizes liking anime doesn't make him special
>arbitrarily pushes the date 'anime was good' back to match when he started liking anime
>conveniently ignores the fact anime is literally one of the biggest entertainment industries in the world for the past 30 years with billions of viewers
>can't cope with the fact anime is not a niche interest
>make this exact thread for the millionth time complaining how anime is bad now
>other casuals jump in because they're also idiots eager to echo chamber this shit
>still he can't cope
>becomes ironic weeb, growing ever more bitter and pathetic in the process
>eventually quits anime and move to something else
Every fucking casual.
Every fucking time.
That's how it goes with them. It's hilarious how OP fits the bill perfectly. It's like the internet is a clone factory for this type and the weak-minded falls prey of it. I've seen this too many times. It's hopeless for people like OP.
That's why we had one anime title as the highest-grossing movie worldwide recently, because the bar is so high this piece of entertainment is almost rocket science.
You moronic casuals come up with all this nonsense about anime in order to protect your fragile, ignorant inflated egos. You don't like anime, you just care about how it looks on you. It's pathetic. I can see through you, no point trying to wriggle your way out of this simple truth. It's too late for you anyway. You guys should just go ironic weebs already and crash and burn in some shit thread on 4chan, that's your destiny, just go.
Every fucking casual.
Every fucking time.
Every fucking casual.
Every fucking time.
It feels so good to genuinely like something, people like OP will never know. They just can't, it's over for them. No point even reading the responses itt honestly, I already know how it goes.
I don’t understand why you people have such a strong connection to the normalcattle who enjoy this stuff as well? This goes for other hobbies as well. If you enjoy it, you are enjoying it for a certain reason so you can expect other people to eventually find it. If you really want something that no one will go towards then find something esoteric that is difficult to take part in or really taboo (this is a stretch…)
really dont think he is talking about anime being mainstream in japan, but to the western audience
i think most kids grew up watching anime on tv. but as streaming became available and apps for smartphones were made, they were able to enjoy anime again as adults. that was certainly all it took to get me back into anime
any normie can watch the top 20 anime on Netflix now in a year or less which more or less killed off imageboard users interest in anime
if you're still watching anime you have to be a newfag since nothing decent came out for a decade
>>39029>conveniently ignores the fact anime is literally one of the biggest entertainment industries in the world for the past 30 years with billions of viewers
billions? i can't find anything suggesting there's more than 100 million anime fans worldwide, and the movie you later cite (demon slayer) has been seen by 20 million people globally
let's say 2 billion people did watch it however, if they watch it on its own terms that's fine, as what op is concerned with is the pernicious influence of normalfags making demands
if we go back to 2012 then the chans hadn't been around for 10 years yet either, so the interest of imageboard users (if we believe what you say) would have been even shorter
What OP means is that the barrier of entry has been lowered enough to effect the medium and the entire fanbase as a whole has to suffer for it. People who just want to discuss anime can't even do so anymore because of waifufags deliberately spamming any topic threads with constant fan art, adding nothing to discussion.
Anime being in decline is real. Constant polls and charts on anime databases have been done about the users and there is a steady decline with random spike of interests from 2015 and on. Newer fans are consuming content way too fast because of it being readily available. Older fans are not watching new anime being put out unless it's tasteless moetrash.
>>39035>We all know the consequences that come with any hobby becoming popular among normgroid NPCs, they start pushing their shitty status-quo bs on it. I'm honestly convinced that by the end of this decade Anime will never have that same feeling as it always did, it'll just become another soulless mainstream form of entertainment to appeal to normalfags. Start expecting chad and his succubi gf to start bragging about going to watch an anime to their NPC social sphere like they do with their shitty MCU movies along with whores cosplaying as your waifu to sell her nudes on the internet to some orbiters (which is already happening to a certain extent).
how did you manage to conflate waifufags with what op said about normalfags?
low status men, npcs, treat us like dogshit 24/7
why are you crabbing about foreign luxury dude? typing norman slogans n shiet, no respect for the site.
>>39029>idiot starts liking anime
ok>soon adopts anime as the main trait of his identity
Anime is just one of the hobbies I enjoy on the side, I don't base my entire personality around it >angry about it because he realizes liking anime doesn't make him special
No one who browses here thinks they're "special".
I'm just some dude who enjoys it and hate that that the culture around anime is changing from low-status men to becoming popular among western NPCs which I think will start degrading anime at some point as demand changes.>make this exact thread for the millionth time complaining how anime is bad now
I still think anime is good in general though, when did I ever say it's the entirety of it is bad? >becomes ironic weeb, growing ever more bitter and pathetic in the process eventually quits anime and move to something else
I don't ever think I'll quit anime because it's something I'll always enjoy >You moronic casuals come up with all this nonsense about anime in order to protect your fragile, ignorant inflated egos. You don't like anime, you just care about how it looks on you.
Imagine thinking that anyone who browses here has enough self-esteem to even have a inflated ego. As I said earlier, I'll alaways enjoy anime even if normal cucks ruin it to such an extent. I'm simply pointing out that Anime as a whole soaring in popularity will start degrading the content at some point> I can see through you, no point trying to wriggle your way out of this simple truth. It's too late for you anyway. You guys should just go ironic weebs already and crash and burn in some shit thread on 4chan, that's your destiny, just go.
I mean, everyone here has more than likely accepted that it's over for them or they wouldn't posting here in the first place, and the last sentence sounds like projection, there's no difference between rotting on a thread here or on 4cuck.>It feels so good to genuinely like something, people like OP will never know. They just can't, it's over for them. No point even reading the responses itt honestly, I already know how it goes
Oh I know you'll read them anyways, I genuinely enjoy anime and always will as I grew up with it, but you'll probably sperg out about vague reason x,y,z on how I don't though.
Waifufags are the main demographic of anime watching normalfags and just turn every place into an image dump of their fotm waifu.
Do you think moe, isekai, CGDCT, school slice of life, and generic shonen were any better? Anime has sucked for over a decade.
I always hated anime and I still do hate it. Childish, cringy shit and I have no idea how people watch that stupid nonsense and before you say about netflix or any other shitty trash, I don’t watch those either. I only watch gameplay videos of Dark Souls, Elden Ring, Total War and AoE2 tournaments on youtube everything else gives me cringe and make me disgust.
To be fair those genres always got backlash from anime fans, but now they are the majority.>>39027
The age of discover of anime is over. The average watcher is a groid who just saw his YouTuber mention some wacky early 2000s show and now they have to watch it to be retro. They then go Netflix/crunchy it and watch dubbed and talk about it openly in school next day.
>>39046>To be fair those genres always got backlash from anime fans, but now they are the majority.
since when? All the anime fans I've ever met would go on and on about how k-on was high art. I mean they were being sarcastic but they clearly still liked the show.
if you started watching when k-on was airing it's already over for you
i'm sorry would you have preferred i said lucky star?
For me, it's watching honey and clover out of sheer depressed desperation for falling asleep at night and then having to admit that I wound up secretly liking it a lot.
I'd go even further. I think you can truly enjoy it only when it's inside the creators mind and not yet brought to real world.
I started watching anime in the 90s so if you started a decade or two later I can see why you would still enjoy anime.
I hate digital art and what cancer zoomies is "high quality" off-model porn artist spam on Twitter means being an otaku these days
all trannime get some taste
Anime is pretty cool. It tends to have power fantasy/fantasy elements which are lacking from tv series that have real actors. Then theres always pretty succubi with big boobs. With television shows you run into problems of finding gorgeous succubi that are willing to flaunt their bodies. Anime is just honest stupid fun. Doesnt have to be 10/10 groundbreaking, if it just has hot succubi and some action I'm down for that
>>39018>Normgroids enjoy it which means they will ruin it for me
Time will tell. Stop letting your obsession with normalfag avoidance ruin your hobbies. Just because Twatter is full of terminally online 14 year olds who have meltdowns over drawings of fictional characters doesn't mean the normgroid crowd does too. Those guys just watch Naruto and Seven Deadly Sins ad nauseum and gush over the same 12 characters. Mark my words - Western groids will never poison a medium whose core fanbase is Japanese aniota outcasts. Anime gets boring after you turn 25 or so anyway. Virtual youtubers are where it's at, especially for actual wizards. Did it piss you off when hololiveEN formed and vtubers got big in the West too? As long as the loli characters don't alienate the lolicons among their fans over muh moralz, I see no issue here.>>39050
Nice Mao. It took me 30 minutes, but I found my old "Anime succubi Drinking Tea" folder on an old desktop and fukken saved this.
>>39056>a medium whose core fanbase is Japanese aniota outcasts
Please spare me such delusions. Anime is not some hardcore thing in japan either. I'm not gonna claim that everyone there watches kodomo no jikan in their spare time but everyone will know the currently airing anime.>Virtual youtubers are where it's at, especially for actual wizards
Oh fuck off.>Anime gets boring after you turn 25 or so anyway
I agree on this point though.
I think the breaking point for me was when visual novels started popping out in steam in 2012 or so, before that visual novels were these obscure things that you had to find in japanese websites and patch them yourself or download some frankenstein shit from fuwanovel.
After that the gates were fully open, anime is so normalfag now that even gaming in much more niche and wizard friendly.
You can't really "gatekeep" animation. The only thing I'm worried about is the Japanese underground circles eventually getting screwed over. Sites that help doujin artists make money are already screwing people over due to western influence, I think DLsite recently tried to fuck over loli artists due to wanting to appeal to the western market.
video games can be made on a much lower budget than animation though. One guy can make a decent game by himself, so it's easy to find a game you like even if all the mainstream ones you hate. The same is not true for anime. Manga is much easier to self publish at least, but anime needs budget so if all the popular ones are trash it's not enjoyable.
vtubers are not anime, they are not interesting, they are cancer and I hate them. They are as unwizard as it gets and I don't care that older beta orbiters care about them.
Did you read or post in the "End of the Wizards" threads on /dep/ OP? They sort of touch upon your….pain of normalfags invading and colonising something they had no interest in initially or even had outright disdain but once it became popular they jumped straight on the bandwagon. I'm going to make another one, might be the final one, you're welcome to join.
>I know this has been talked about many times since 2016
2014. 2014 I think personally was the end of everything geek. Gatekeepers were dead at this point.
>Mark my words, Anime will be completely unrecognizable around by the end of this decade.
You can rip the soul out of something while it's body remains intact. No, what will happen instead are strange things. Strange things like….the aheago face becoming recognisable to normalfags to the point that you see normalfag whores doing it in social media (and onlyfans), which fucking insane when you think about it. An aheago face is the cum face (presumably) drawn by unsexed japanese nerds who've never seen a cum face IRL and now people are *emulating a fake cum face* in real porn. It's like we've entered Baudrillard territory.
Or you'll see normalfags try re-writing or re-contextualising (geek) history. The NES wasn't all that popular in the UK (and probably europe) because over here people were still playing on home computers like amstrads, commodore 64s, etc and you could pirate the games on those pretty easily. The market was bad enough for Nintendo that SEGA was ahead for both the 8-bit and 16-bit console wars in the UK (and probably europe). HOWEVER, when people look back now with Nintendo being hot shit for normalfags and retro being cool, there's a false narrative that the NES was super popular in the UK and somehow was the first videogames console that most older people had.
>>39068>I just hope there is a new wave of problematic ecchi or whatever in tv anime and filters every norman alive imaginable.
I don't think you realise what era we're in.
I'm constantly wondering if all the formerly "loser" hobbies are now the cool kids' property, what do the losers of today have?
Sex transition, not even kidding.
Are things that bad?
No they aren't, because those losers have state mandated acceptance and protection. The real losers are still the same people, virgins and asocial people, who admittedly overlap with the trannies quite a bit. There just aren't "loser exclusive" hobbies now.
It's been popular all over asia forever. The problem is it going mainstream in the states. It's funny how bad/inaccurate dubbing or translating happened because it used to be considered trash that no one cares about and now it happens because "we can fix this and make it better". The more things change the more they stay the same i guess. The future for the medium doesn't look too bright but whats really upsetting is old anime,manga and games getting translated by losers who think putting twitter lingo in is acceptable.
That….sounds pretty bad.
That's an incredibly optimistic, nay, *delusional* viewpoint to have.
>>39127>dumbest shit I've ever read
Do zoomers get bullied anymore? Like if they were they'd understand bullies never return things they stole or if they do, it's always returned broken.
This is probably heresy to say on /jp/ but I’ve lost most of the respect I once had for otakus. Most of them aren’t like weaboos that used to post on imageboards, they are the kind of consuming cattle that most here despise today.
Everything you have mentioned has been happening on mass since the mid 2010s, the chad thing, waifu nudes thing, souless mainstrimization, I can tell you because ive been lurking in normie media for a time and it makes me want to sui, but I just couldn't ignore the truth.
i think it's not gonna affect that much since a huge majority of anime is still made with japs in mind on the positives they show more anime movies on theaters now i don't really know you can stick to more obscure shows and communities but yeah i hate to see normalfags coming anywhere and gatekeep
My viewpoint is based on daily interactions with normies because of my job in eastern europe, majority don't like anime and frown upon it, the ones that had some interest watch a couple of popular shows and once the novelty wears off they go back to their normie media. It's a bit of a stretch to claim anime is mainstream at least in my post soviet shithole, internet tends to warp your perception on how thing really are.
My point is to just continue enjoying your favorite shows and support them if you can because normie's interest in anime does not persist for too long.>>39130>kind of consuming cattle that most here despise today
The otakus that you are calling 'consuming cattle' are the people that supports financially all these wonderful and niche anime shows, why complain that anime will focus towards normies if non of you did shit to prevent that
naïve pearl clutching morons.
You think anime was ever niche or made for "losers" in the first place? Like you are special for liking moving pictures?
Do you think japs assembled a team of directors, animators, musicians, programmers, voice actors and more just for you? It's been funny watching dumbasses construct a identity of consuming media thinking of yourselves as special.
They will watch old anime and obscure anime they will know more about it than you and they will also find more enjoyment in the medium than you.
Shouldn't have made consumerism a part of your identity, fool.
Maybe try birdwatching if you want to feel special?
>>39136>It's a bit of a stretch to claim anime is mainstream at least in my post soviet shithole, internet tends to warp your perception on how thing really are.
Maybe in your specific shithole country anime isn't mainstream, but here it's is as mainstream as fuck.
>My point is to just continue enjoying your favorite shows and support them if you can because normie's interest in anime does not persist for too long.
Like I said delusional. I would be fucking over the moon if anime fell out of popularity but it won't.
Anime isn't mainstream. There are two or three shows that casuals watch by the trends. But talk about anything outside of that and you will be looked like a weirdo.
You're the one being delusional.
That's like saying video games aren't mainstream because you can't find a copy of gal gun at your local game store.
I wonder what it's like to be a bullied outcast zoomer. I mean, in the old days you could hide in the library reading "stupid" manga books or go home and watch "dumb" anime and forget yourself.
Your hobbies might have been "dumb" and "stupid" but at they were yours.
*but at least they were yours.
More like saying jap games are not popular, or even that rail shooters aren't. It's common to see people siding anime with Avatar and Castlevania and such.
does it turn people to jesus christus?
turned them away?
theres your consequences
What are you trying to say?
It does elevate us to a higher vibrational dimension of thought and existence taking us closer to the Logos. But seeping into mainstream it is weaponized by the Archons and their manifestations to maintain humanity enslaved to matter, with dire consequences ie trannies, a misunderstanding of the ideas of the syzygy and the anima/Sophia. That's even further descent.
What the fuck are you guys talking about? Can these be reported for being completely off-topic?
>Some oldfags may argue that Anime declined long time ago, and while that's debatable I will say that Anime still retains a very unique feeling to it that is void in the majority of other watchable entertainment and low-status men are the ones that keep and preserve it that way. Mark my words, Anime will be completely unrecognizable around by the end of this decade. Maybe someone can articulate this better than I can but that's the best way I can put it.
Animes has ever been norm-tier, it's broadcasted in TV to kids at Japan. Mangas kinda are free of normies, only novels (web, light, visual) has future.
The anime that is popular among the Japanese is different from the ones popular in Western fandom, and even Japanese otaku. If you look at any list of "best anime ever" voted by the Japanese themselves, they are always mostly composed of family-friendly situational comedy, such as Sazae-san and Chibi Maruko-chan, children oriented series, like as Anpanman and Doraemon, and some popular shounen, this one being the only one in common with Western normies. If you look at lists made by, say, 5ch, it's much different.
It's curious what you say about novels. Take >>39170's Lucky Star image. Only Konata, an otaku, had a big knowledge of anime, but she didn't read LN, like Kagami, a normal succubus, did, and everybody read manga. I also remember this passage where only the fujoshi character recognized a Full Metal Alchemist reference, which may be among the most popular anime/manga series ever in the West.
>>39171> If you look at any list of "best anime ever" voted by the Japanese themselves, they are always mostly composed of family-friendly situational comedy
I think that's just because it's something they all watched as kids and thus is close to their heart. Like asking Americans what their favorite cartoon is and I bet most would respond with looney toons or spongebob just for the nostalgia factor.
for me it is courage and ed boys
There's obviously a difference between prime slot airing anime and shit that airs at late night. Its not hard to tell which anime is meant for japanese normals and which one is aimed to a more specific niche audience.
I think that in the west its harder to perceive this difference because here we either just pirate everything or stream through places like crunchyroll, so even shows that are clearly meant for an otaku audience gain certain normalfag recognition (see mushoku tensei or many isekai in general).>>39169>Mangas kinda are free of normies
manga has way more normalfag appeal than anime, everybody reads manga in japan because you have something for everyone.
>>39183>sidesteps the wiz's question
So it's either anime isn't mainstream or don't watch mainstream anime, the latter being a moot point since niche anime *is* being watch by normalfags, so which is it?
The point here is stop being a weak minded person that gets affected so much by what other people think of your hobby. The only thing you should care if is your hobby is catering you.
I don't care who or who doesn't watch anime. I hardly do myself anymore. I'm just saying it's definitely popular enough to be labeled mainstream. I'm pretty sure that demon slayer movie just out sold fucking spirited away
>>39197>sidesteps the whole point of the thread
Just enjoy your anime and manga while you still can then.
Like I said earlier, you can rip the soul out of something while it's body remains intact.
There's no sidesteping here. You're being controlled by what normies think. Maybe normies deep down recognize superiority and that's why they can't stop following us where we go. But our main concern if that things we like appeal to us. And with that you can make gatekeeping or whatever other thing you want.
If you really cared you would start watching and playing things that actually appeal to you (while ditching everything else). While at the same time contributing to the community. But people like >>39198
admits that they don't even watch anime. So left this to the people who actually care.
Enjoy while you still can. >>39198
is probably represenative of many 30+ outcasts, when people berate you for your hobbies and then decades later claim themselves God Kings of *your* hobbies, it WILL demoralize you.
anime golden age was 1995-2011, imo it ended because the founding inspiration of the emergence of it (eva) dwindled from people's memory and tropes it popularized became overdone. nothing about it can be done, and the easiest way to deal with it is to recommend pre-decline anime series.
easiest way to deal with normies is just to keep gatekeeping with increasingly obscure messageboards.
Please elaborate>all the innovation is done for free by hobbyists
Are you referring to doujinshi culture? Please elaborate
who cares because there are 1000s of good animes already made, this is a symptom of the need to constantly have to have novelty and new shows. Well, the best shows have already been made, so enjoy them and escape hedonism, as a wizard, this is paramount. PLeasure is disgusting and leads to sex and rape. What is beautiful is building things, and self improvement.
That was a long time ago.
It's been mainstream for the past 3 or 4 years now, probably beginning with succubi on instagram making themselves look like anime succubi for attention. I can't pinpoint who or what made it mainstream honestly. Probably just like with old video games/media, someone started liking it ironically and then it took off with the general public. The majority of anime that is popular now is shounen-shit or isekai garbage. I know that shounen has been popular here since the 90s, but you could find halfway decent hidden gems. Also keep in mind that the target demographic for anime has been for Japanese teens and some adults, not American basement dwelling virgins. But now the hidden gems like Urusei Yatsura and other early Rumiko works have been unearthed and destroyed by normalfags too thanks to the internet. It's too late, there's nothing we can do. Unfortunately with a niche hobby, the lower the barrier to entry, the more people will eventually discover it.