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I wanted to create a thread on Buddhism here as I believe it's a good religion to end the suffering of the average wizard.

> What is Buddhism about

Buddhism is about ending your suffering in life and finding true happiness. It's about ending the cycle of rebirth and to free oneself from it. Buddhism is understanding reality as it truly is.

> What are the core teachings of Buddhism

The Four Noble Truths and The Noble Eightfold Path

> How can I start

I'd suggest to start with the books:
Then read:

> How can I trust Buddhism?

You don't. You can see for yourself and come to your own conclusion, as long as you approach it with an open mind. Buddhism is just a path like many leading to the top of a mountain, but it's a path that is easy to follow if one commits oneself to it.

> How can I learn to meditate

To learn to meditate effectively, I'd suggest the books:
The Mind Illuminated
Mindfulness in Plain English

Both can be found on the web, and they provide valuable insight for someone who wants to learn. The most important thing in meditation is that it's done consistently and not to give up and it. For a beginner the effects are often subtle and only show after a time. Don't get discouraged if a meditation session wasn't satisfying or "successful." Try various methods of meditation to find something that suits you. They can provide different kinds of effects, depending on the type of meditation.

> What are the common pitfalls for beginners

To not practice. Meditation is very important for understanding the deeper layers of Buddhism and it will make you be able to truly understand Buddhism.
To get lost in metaphysical debate.
To see things preconceived. One must approach Buddhist concepts with an open mind and not reject anything. Understanding goes through multiple layers of comprehension. Buddhism is about seeing things as they truly are, without adding anything or removing anything.

> Is Karma moralistic?

No, it isn't. The universe doesn't care what you do at the end, karma is just cause and effect. Karma seems inherently moralistic, but that's because karma is also caused by physical and mental actions. A person who behaves like an animal might slowly start to think like an animal. A person who's always angry might be getting more angrier over time, and people might act with aversion towards him.

> Are other religions wrong?

No they're not, but they're harder to understand for the average person, due to being very symbolic in nature. One needs to practice a lot to see what they're really about. They're like maps describing a territory, but they're not the territory itself. Some maps are better suited for different people in various situations.


I found Buddhism from 8chans r9k. He also posts here. Pretty based in my opinion.


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>in any way, shape or form


say no to nihilism.


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Everyone already knows about this, wiz. If someone is interested in Buddhism, they’ll look it up. There’s no need to shill. I think people like to feel like they’ve got all the answers, like they’ve got things figured out, and hand them to others in a neatly wrapped package. It’s ego.

Also, Buddhism will cure my depression but I have to read 100 books to get there, which I can’t do due to depression. Flawless logic.

Shill your reddit tier philosophy elsewhere.


Buddhism isn't nihilism. Buddhism says that things are impermanent and conditioned.


What's wrong with his ears?



Not the guy you were talking to but just want to point out that if I recall correctly Nietzche may of considered Buddhism a slightly better religion/philosophy for coping with life than Christ insanity but ultimately he also said that Buddhism was also still slightly nihilistic.

So I don't think he was saying it was or is a totally nihilistic religion/philosophy just that some of it can be interpreted as such.


Probably because he was a prince before he searched for enlightenment and he had to wear a lot of heavy jewellery.


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The Dhammapada is also a good place to start IMO since it's a collection of one-line sayings that are all fairly to the point.


Probably takes less than an hour to read.

I'm currently reading through pic related, which analyzes several schools of Buddhism and Hinduism. Admittedly I'm more interested in learning about the metaphysics than actually practicing.

Also I think wizards would enjoy this, from when Gautama Buddha denied the temptations of Mara.

>[Magandiya offers his daughter to the Buddha, who replies:] On seeing [the daughters of Mara] — Discontent, Craving, & Passion — there wasn't even the desire for sex. So what would I want with this, filled with urine & excrement? I wouldn't want to touch it even with my foot

> Haven't I in many ways advocated abandoning sensual pleasures, comprehending sensual perceptions, subduing sensual thirst, destroying sensual thoughts, calming sensual fevers? Worthless man, it would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a poisonous snake than into a succubus's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into the mouth of a black viper than into a succubus's vagina. It would be better that your penis be stuck into a pit of burning embers, blazing and glowing, than into a succubus's vagina. Why is that? For that reason you would undergo death or death-like suffering, but you would not on that account, at the break-up of the body, after death, fall into deprivation, the bad destination, the abyss, hell…"



why are western buddhists such annoying shills, I have never seen a genuine eastern buddhist guilty of proselytism but with westerners they almost inevitably wear their beliefs on their sleeves, generally with a heavy dose of saccharine and feelgood crap


Well actually there are a few eastern “monks” or pseudo-scholars who moved to the west and funded schools (or cults…), gave lectures and so forth, but most of them were dubious unorthodox crooks and charlatans with no recognition in their home countries


Just like with other religions converting and preaching to others is considered a good deed. You still see Muslim shills from time to time but with Christianity people are probably already aware of how annoying it is for people and most people who are not atheists on imageboards are Christians anyway. It may take some time for other religions to catch up to the jadedness. OP isn't really shilling though. He is just making a thread about a religion just like how we used to have a Christianity thread although that one went to shit because of atheistic and sectarian arguments.


Wow, you're so cool with your esoteric words/images and your easy-to-swallow "noble truths".

Nice LARP. If you really want to help out wizard, use our language and consider the context. Lots of people come here roleplaying as ascetic monks, but most wizards are hedonists. Completely out of touch.


Buddhism is in itself technically hedonist. You give up earthly pleasures, but only to save you the pain of desire and bring you peace for your soul. It’s all about removing pain on the inside in exchange for pain on the outside.


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The eastern mindset is different from how religions developed in the west. People want to have some identity in the west. In general people in secular Buddhism reject everything paranormal and reduce Buddhism to purely psychological phenomena. The idea of rebirth is essential to understanding Buddhism. Buddhism concepts are often layered, one might understand rebirth as psychological phenomena or understand that rebirth or realms are more than psychological. For one to truly understand Buddhism one needs to approach it with an open mind and not reject anything at first. To see things and experience things is to understand them.

I've included an infochart of how one might study Buddhism more close to it's early form.

I just thought "why not." It might even help some to overcome some of their problems.

Personally I think wizards has good conditions actually for understanding Buddhism, there's both pleasure and pain in most wizards. For example wizards might watch anime, jerk off to porn do other things that seem fun or exciting. And they also have a lot of painful experiences. What separates wizards from normal people is that they don't have strong commitments to things like having a wife, having children, being attached to family (some are, but not all) and often they have "nothing to lose." These things are much harder to abandon than just games or porn. Some wizards might truly approach Buddhism from the "nothing to lose perspective." (And that's ideal.)


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To get to the end one abandons peace and Buddhism itself.

The screenshot is from the Alagaddupama Sutta: The Water-Snake Simile (https://www.accesstoinsight.org/tipitaka/mn/mn.022.than.html).


>And entertainingly enough this type of culture lets normalfags blend in easily as well while bragging about it. Best example of this was the buddhafaggot. This guy posted on wizchan frequently for a year or so, almost always to proselytize other wizards to his retarded religion, or to occasionally give details on his exciting career of pizza delivery and his time in jail after killing his grandmother. And he would give "advice" to depressed wizards like to stop consuming media completely and to come back to reality, pretty much borderline insults insinuating they were losers.

>Well this guy was a hyper normalfaggot. He was a poster on 8ch's 4chon board and was constantly blogging about fucking his Tinder matches (in between his usual proselytizing, of course). I discovered this like a month or two after I was able to identify his posts of wizchan (not hard, he cycled though the same several anime succubus pictures in his posts) but I never called him out here, just dropped a few subtle hints now and then to let him know that I, at least, knew who he was .

>Eventually he got fed up with posting here and left because he thought people here were too negative and didn't want to help themselves. Later on some retard finally realized who this guy was and posted a /meta/ thread (or maybe it was another board, I don't remember). But it didn't even matter because he'd already stopped posting. No one else called him out on his shit before that; there were even people responding to him letting him know what a "truwiz" they thought he was, and how much they enjoyed his posts.

>These are the types of users you let in with this sort of culture and it's asinine volcel worship. I checked /4chon/ again a few days ago and sure enough, he's still posting there. Right on the front page, a webm of him grabbing some whore's ass with '4chon' written on it in sharpie. This guy was posting here for several months at least - probably more, he could've been posting here for years for all I know. Let that fucking sink in.



prove it


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I made that metaburger post but that's kind of a bullshit charge to bring against OP honestly. 4chon buddhafaggot didn't contain himself to one thread, but spread out over many, even going so far as to post in /games/ telling people to stop using escapism. He also frequently avatarfagged with the same several anime succubus images. Even in the /hob/ threads he was generally talking down to people.
Several of his posts are still up from last year; if you want to examine the writing style here are a few.


OP on the other hand is containing himself to 1 thread he created specifically for the topic, putting effort into enumerating resources for beginners, and does not strike me as very condescending. I can go through this site and count more posts in the past year shilling for Christianity (several posters talking their typical "love Jesus, love makes everything right" crap) than I can for Buddhism, which is contained almost entirely to that meditation thread.

The problem here isn't Buddhism or proselytization, it's juvenile shitposters making 1 line posts like they're on /b/ and /dep/ crabs crawling out of their hole to condemn people for actually trying something. Meanwhile mods decide to completely ignore this, despite it being on the front page (inb4 "report it bro", they have time to bully and stalk people on /meta/ front page by locking their threads and posting butthurt images but not the time to perform basic cleanup of threads on the main boards? Come on now).

Anyways back to 4chon buddhafaggot, I don't know how he reconciled his base lifestyle of fucking Tinder whores in between pizza deliveries (he once posted about hiding in a closet to escape being found by the boyfriend of the succubus he was fucking). Buddhism and Hinduism seem to have had a lot of fucked up people, by conventional morals at least, and I'm not sure if that's the result of their doctrines allowing many interpretations or something else. Because Gautama Buddha, from what little I've read of him, obviously encouraged celibacy.

For Hinduism there's this video of a cannibalistic sect, the Aghori
Some of the comments from Hindus are justifying him by saying he eats flesh to show that's ultimately know difference.

Buddhism, I don't know much about the history in China, India, and other countries it spread to, but I do know that in Japan there were a lot of Buddhists who were pretty hedonistic or violent. i.e. during the Sengoku era of Japan


There were also accounts of monks raping local villagers and generally just exploiting people and engaging in hedonism.
Also reading about Shinto in Japan there are quite a few stories of violence between them and Buddhist sects (mainly Shingon IIRC), where due to the government supporting Buddhism the Buddhist monks kind of strongarmed Shinto priests out of their positions and took over their shrines.

This was in fiction but in Mishima's "The Temple of the Golden Pavilion" the protagonist becomes an acolyte of a Buddhist temple and the head there is generally depicted as quite hedonistic, as the main character catches him with a geisha (basically a prostitute with skills in art and music) and, later, the head overlooks the protagonist stomping on a prostitute's stomach and causing her to miscarriage (which he did because an American soldier gave him some money or cigarettes or something). Mishima generally researched very well before writing so I'm guessing cases like these were probably present at the time too.

I don't really have a point with this post but I just find it interesting how people can follow these religions and yet act in ways that seem so out of accord with them. But like I said I guess there are many interpretations, and to be fair I'm sure you can find many cases like these in Western religions as well.


Not really a fan of the idea of being turned into a drone.


Can lead a horse to water but if it's an angry horse he'll probably just yell at you about why he can't drink it.


Ugh… You again. French Buddhist…


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I've recently got into Buddhism after listening to Alan Watts while on psychedelics and reading 'The Book On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are' … could someone elaborate on the differences between Zen and the other forms of Buddhism? Any other teachers of Zen that you would recommend? I've been agnostic for several years, I was raised Christian. Buddhism gives me a glimmer of hope that my existence is something far more then I initially have thought it would be and it makes me feel very content.


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Sure, let me elaborate. There are certain main branches of Buddhism, like Theravada and Mahayana.

Theravada: The goal is to get enlightened and to reach nirvana for yourself, it's one of the oldest forms of Buddhism. The main texts are the Pali Canon. It's often thought that it's more faithful to early Buddhist teachings. Personally if you're more going into a direction of early Buddhism I'd suggest looking at the Thai Forest Tradition, especially Ṭhānissaro Bhikkhu's books, which you can find on https://www.dhammatalks.org/ebook_index.html

Mahayana: It focuses more on bringing people closer to enlightenment and usually focuses a bit more on compassion for others aspect and helping people in various situations. Additionally to the Pali Canon, it also has a lot of texts specific to Mahayana, called Mahayana Sutras and various other texts. There's many advanced teachings in Mahayana that don't get taught in Theravada, due to various reasons like not being too important for attaining enlightenment and usually people who gain enlightenment do understand these Mahayana teachings intuitively, so it might not be that relevant. The reason is they're more centered on bringing others closer to enlightenment: the so called Bodhisattva path in Mahayana.
>In Mahayana Buddhism, a bodhisattva refers to anyone who has generated bodhicitta, a spontaneous wish and compassionate mind to attain Buddhahood for the benefit of all sentient beings

Zen: Zen is based on Mahayana, so they implicitly have absorbed a lot of the Mahayana teachings, but they have their own unique and vibrant culture. Most westerners probably think of it as "minimal Buddhism" because how it teaches is quite unique compared to other forms of Buddhism. It might be said that it's stripped down. It has a strong focus on the present moment, practicing without any special environment and a strong focus on meditation (and other practices in general). I personally wouldn't recommend Zen to anyone without exceptionally strong will, because it's kind of hard to progress in the beginning and the Zen teachers act in a way that makes it hard to grasp their teachings for someone new to Buddhism. They have the "Zen mindset" living in the present mostly. Look at the screenshot I've attached, I think it portrays the Zen mindset quite well (Source: http://truecenterpublishing.com/zenstory/isthatso.html)

The practices of Zen are quite easy to pick up though. The main practices are Zazen and meditating on Koans, but I don't have too much experience with Zen, so take it with a grain of Salt. Personally I can attest that Zazen can be easy for a beginner, like counting the breath. Although there seem to be various forms of Zazen. I'm not sure if it's advisable to do Zen without a teacher really. The teacher usually can pick up the understanding of the pupil.

I think a good book about Zen Buddhism might be The Eight Gates of Zen: A Program of Zen Training (https://b-ok.cc/book/5233536/c2b9fa). But personally I'd suggest starting with something else.

If you have more questions just ask, I'm happy to answer them.


Stoicism is much better in my opinion. It's more practical, less mysticism and weird eastern terms.


How about Vajrayana?


I'd recommend against it. The practices in it aren't bad, but more often than not they require a proper teacher. I think it's quite easy to get lost when trying to do Vajrayana Buddhism alone.


what happened to the thread?
it was just getting interesting .


Well, I'm here to respond if you have questions. It seems that most wizards aren't really interested in it (understandable somehow).

I could talk a bit about my personal experiences I guess. When I started with it I wasn't aware of some aspects which are actually quite important. I think there was a time where I considered Buddhism more neutral, but now I think it encourages doing good. It's actually quite important, because with a neutral mindset you don't really see a need to do anything (although that is in itself a perception already).

Also, it's pretty straightforward to follow Buddhism really, it's more like a plain and boring path. It's not too hard to follow, but most people are going to walk off the path.

One aspect of Buddhism that's often ignored is that it's more about transcending the material world than just nihilism, as often commonly said. Things like desires doesn't really exist in higher worlds BTW. For example in higher deva worlds there's a point where they just feel bliss and not much desire. And if you'd go higher then that also would drop away in the formless worlds where you're basically just "aware" and perceiving in a specific perception and don't really think. Buddhism is about transcending the form and formless to something that is truly free from a truly conceptual understanding. That's why one can't really say, exists, doesn't exist. Because these things only exist in relation. If you'd say for example "That's big," "That's large," "That's small" then one needs a point of reference, in regards to what is it small. And for existence and non-existence it is the same. These things only exist in relation to other things.

(The specific realms can be felt by attaining a specific meditative state.) Some other states that don't require meditation per se, are probably the hell and animal realm. If you're always feeling angry then you already got an idea what hell feels like, although what you feel as that state would be very weak. It would be like feeling it to 1%. I guess you could feel the animal realm by acting like an animal. Although one that acts like an animal would be in general to dumb to discern that he acts like an animal.

An observation about meditation in general. Don't try to expect anything, that's going to hinder you to meditate, because it generates a subtle feeling of wanting and you won't be able to relax like that.


but it is so simple, just find a quiet place, relax and let yourself go free.
There is no mantra, or any other religious bs to deal with.
the truth of our reality is always there…
pure logic can defeat all desires.
Lust is the easiest of all these to defeat.
greed, envy, overweening pride, self centeredness; all these things can vanish in a moment of clarity…
the thing that keeps us from the truth is the greed and lust of those who would influence and rule over us.


You're going to have to let go of logic as well. It is of reality and therefore unreal.



I think one thing that's worth studying is dreams. They're almost an essential part of understanding reality. For example in a dream also people think "I exist" but it's just the experience itself, there's no true you in the dream, only things created by thoughts before the dream. And they can feel as vivid as your normal life, there are thoughts, there are emotions, there are sensations.

It's also a good way of understanding time. For example a dream might feel much longer than real time. It can feel like 3 hours, while in reality you dreamed only 10 minutes. It's not just that the sense of time in the dream might be warped, but more so that our sense of time in reality is also warped.

That's a good way of understanding karma, I think. Dreams aren't a judgement of god, but something that is created by how we perceived the world, how we felt, how we thought. It seems the thoughts before the dream play an important role in what kind of dream gets created.


but it is logic that will get you to that point.


I tried meditating for a month and there were no benefits.

The whole see for yourself stuff is bullshit too, everytime I'd ask about the paranormal elements they'd all say you have to be some master meditator to get the powers. Then even if you became a master meditator yourself and got no powers then they would just move the goal post and say you must not be doing it right.


the same old religious BS, have faith, if 0 happens you didn't have enough faith!
or pray hard enough or eat the right kind blessed pig/cow/horse shit.
or breathe right facing in the correct direction at the exact time after farting all the verses of the koran in perfect pitch, there is always a bullshit excuse to put the failure on YOU!


This is why psychedelics are amazing. Contrary to religious nonsense, they actually deliver what their promise, no faith required.


wtf school of meditation says crazy things like that?

Meditation has helped me a lot but I never had such "paranormal"


I've never heard that advertised and don't see how that would even happen anyway.


What were you doing, no-mind? If you succeeded at that you must have some benefit even if it's just a quick way to fall asleep at night.


Is it safe for someone with a mental illness to do psychedelic drugs?


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Just breathe, bro.


>Is it safe for someone with a mental illness to do psychedelic drugs?
Depends on your level of "mental illness". If you're a diagnosed schizophrenic, it's probably not safe. If you have self-diagnosed moderate anxiety or depression or something (like 60%+ of people these days), then it's very safe.

Here are a couple of links you may want to check out:




You're failing because you expect anything paranormal to happen. Meditation isn't about powers or paranormal events. If you're going to have any expectations when meditating then you're doing it wrong.

It's mostly your mindset.


I'm buddhist myself (I am thai) and I don't believe in karma, it's just bullshit to manipulate people. There are even monks or even abbots in Thailand who will openly say that the hell realm is just to scare the masses and make them behave


All religions are about control. At the very least buddhism tries to levy some control to the self and not unwavering blind belief in some higher holy man.


But isn't the self a illusion?


Only because by this advocation of self they become easier to control, the end goal is for a people that are meek and willing to suffer hardships. Christianity does this too but to a lesser degree.


>Christianity does this too but to a lesser degree.
You mean the religion that is built from the ground up with slave morality and sees the highest holy act within the religion as the ultimate act of self sacrifice in the name of the religion?


>religion thread
>it's all people attacking the religion
It's almost as if we don't have multiple precedence to predict this outcome.


Bipolar with occasional psychosis.


And it's almost as if proselytizers proselytize regardless of the response.


There is only one sentence in OP that could arguably be considered proselytizing and it's just a neutral and weak suggestion that some may find it useful. The rest is links to resources and FAQ. It's almost as if anti-theists have a knee-jerk reaction to spirituality and have to interject every mention of religion with their unasked opinion. It's considered bad practices to go into the movie thread an prattle about how you believe it is a bad medium. Likewise for religion threads.


Could it be that maybe OP just finds the subject interesting and wants to discus it?


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Hey, it's true that I found Buddhism very interesting. I think an other reason was that I thought it might genuinely help some people, to even just improve a bit their lives.

On a personal note, when I was younger I researched a lot of religions and I know that most religions aren't really suitable for people. Religions need to be seen in a certain light and analyzed with a certain understanding, one that doesn't reject other religions but more to see what other religions might also teach us, where they converge and what their method is.

For example if one were to start with Christianity, there would be a point where he would get frustrated at it most likely, because first Christianity is in many regards very symbolic, hard to approach and sometimes contradicting itself. But there are still some truths in it. Even very faithful Christian priests usually fall into that trap. They do understand certain aspects very well, know that it makes sense. But they don't see it in a bigger scheme.

Something that isn't too dogmatic, that allows for seeing things oneself is needed. One that includes a very big practical aspect. Otherwise followers of a religion will remain on a "devotional level" only while never gaining any true understanding of things.

So, these kind of religions actually expect that a person who gets in contact with them has the right view on things, otherwise they can't work. (Or maybe they were mostly watered-down for the masses.) To be fair, Christianity has prayers, but I don't think it (prayer) has all the qualities that are needed.

There are some things in-between which might imply how early Christianity could have looked like, things like Hermeticism for example. They're more like a middle thing, because they still expect you to have a lot of understanding of things, but still say some more practical things that aren't "too symbolic." To be fair, people weren't probably that ultra-materialistic like nowadays, so they might have had an easier time understanding things.

I was very glad when I found religions that focus more on the practical aspect and ignore the other things that are hard to grasp for people without any or much spiritual experiences. Something that almost anyone can practice if they're diligent and are having a strong will (or faith, which generates a strong will).

Again, what differentiates religions from philosophies is usually that religions have an aspect which at first requires faith. But these things, if they are true, can be experienced with experience. A religion that preaches something which can't be experienced is necessarily useless and should be abandoned.

The aspect of karma and rebirth can be very easily understood on many intellectual levels. At first maybe only in thought, and then later expanding to other things.

Anyways, I wrote that down so that it might help people who read it. People who got burned by religion before, and people who lost faith in religions. Faith is important if one starts, and then one should try to have an open-mind and experience things directly, then one knows directly what is truth and what isn't. At the end the function of religions isn't to create followers, but more so to point the people in the right direction. If a religion doesn't have this guiding principle, then it's useless and should be abandoned.


amen, it has no pros'n evident in it…


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It's the dictionary definition of proselytizing.


Using that definition all discourse can be thought of as proselytization.


There's nothing meek at all in buddhism


yes, and that would be accurate

everything is just trying to get you to come around to "my way of thinking" whether you intend it that way or not, it's the whole point of this "communication" thing is to manipulate people into agreeing with you


What makes you think that?


You're probably talking about the Pure Land school and the sub sects when you talk about hedonism in Japan. The Pure Land school basically argues that Human Nature is fucked and people will commit sins. In order to be saved you must practice the Nembutsu and take Amida Buddha as the true god. After death you'll get transported to the pure land. You can choose to either train to be a bodisattva and go back to earth helping people or stay in the Pure Land. The sub sects disagree in how to recite the Nembutsu with Jodo Shu saying you must recite ten times while the Shin sect argues once is good enough.


Basically the buddhist version of protestantism


i speak the truth i do not lie, my spirit is borne witness by the creator…

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