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 No.228836

The last thread died a while ago, but I’m still interested in this topic. What do wizards think about castration as a wizardly body modification? I myself am castrated as of a year ago and for the most part I enjoy my new life as an eunuch. I’d also like to discuss penectomy and genital removal in general, if anyone is interested.

 No.228837

I don't think it's wizardly at all.

 No.228839

that's taking the cowards way out
like suicide

 No.228840

>>228839
Wizchad 2019

 No.228841

Imagine having so little self control that you need to mutilate yourself in order to cope with a simple stupid urge. No wonder depcrabs religiously preach determinism, it must help them rationalize how pathetic they are.

 No.228842

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i don't know. it's a dumb sexual fetish, mental illness, or just something a hopeless crab does. that is what i immediately think about it

i think all body modification is retarded, even common stuff like tattoos and ear piercings. it's barbaric. westerns can look in contempt at african tribesmen with their goat horn piercings sticking our of their lips and tattoos all over their bodies, yet everyone here does the same with stretched out plug piercings you can stick an oreo through, tattoos covering their entire fucking bodies, cosmetic surgeries, stupid haircuts

unless you had testicular cancer or something i don't see why you would bother getting rid of them

 No.228844

well, i wont deny that it can be uncomfortable trying to get my penis oriented correctly in my pants; it seems like mens pants (especially jeans) are designed to have a big fucking strip of cloth right where my penis wants to go. i dont understand why this isnt given more attention to solve. it can also make it harder when trying to sleep on my side. and i guess if i didnt feel the urge to masturbate, i would probably save a lot of aggregated time, and not have to deal with as many obtrusive thoughts.

thats all the benefits i can think of right now, but im not sure that its worth it. what were your reasons for getting castrated?

 No.228846

>>228844
> it seems like mens pants (especially jeans) are designed to have a big fucking strip of cloth right where my penis wants to go.
You mean underwear? Like briefs or boxer briefs?

 No.228847

>>228846
no, im talking about pants like jeans or khakis

 No.228848

>>228844
I don't have a problem with jeans as I don't wear them but boxers can be an issue, well boxers are problematic in general, it's hard to find loose, breathable and comfortable ones these days.

 No.228850

>>228847
And I am talking about the "big fucking strip of cloth" to keep your junk in the right place to stay comfortable.

 No.228851

>>228850
i dont get how restricting the movement of my penis is supposed to be comfortable. it forces me to shove the whole thing to either the left or right side, cramped, or else have this cloth pressing into me for the duration

 No.228853

>>228848
They aren't that hard to find but it is true that the vast majorty of male undies have moved away from boxers for some strange reason. Now boxer briefs seem to be the most popular in all the shops for some reason. They might have only 2 or 3 packs of comfortable boxers in the whole store, while having a whole display for boxer-briefs.

>i dont get how restricting the movement of my penis is supposed to be comfortable

It keeps your junk in one place, not moving around, or rubbing uncomfortably against things when you are moving around alot.

 No.228854

>>228853
i get what youre saying but let me put it this way, id rather have it moving around than crushed between my leg and a strip of fabric. the restriction of underwear is more than good enough to keep my testicles from bouncing into my legs, i dont need this s&m shit from my jeans

 No.228855


 No.228856

>>228854
Ok, I think I get what you are saying.

It is the same reason why I usually get "relaxed fit" or "active cut" when shopping for pants. Gives a little more space around the joints and junk so that movement is uninhibited.
I do it because I want the ability to kick a sucker in the head no matter what I am wearing, but it is also comfortable on my junk as well.

 No.228857

>>228856
>"relaxed fit" or "active cut"
neat, i didnt know this was a thing. thanks

 No.228858

>>228844
just wear loose pants and no underwear

jeans, tight fitting pants, and underwear in general are all testicular torture devices

 No.228859

>>228858
jeans are a part of my dress-code for my shitjob

believe me, when left to my own devices i would never inflict this shit on myself

 No.228860

I like how this thread more or lest turned into a clothing comfort advice thread.

 No.228909

>>228844
I castrated myself to stop puberty, I figured that looking younger could only benefit me

 No.228935

>>228909
I did the same for similar reasons…5 years ago when I was 19 I started bicalutamide.
I like the lack of sex drive and that I look young/won't go bald or develop facial hair(I guess I have a bad case of arrested development).
My only fear is that I will run out of money for it since im running on cash from when I was working and I want to neet until I die.
There is a doctor nearby that does no-questions-asked orchi's and I have the money but it sucks that my family would probably not be okay with me doing that(I live with them).

 No.228942

>>228935
I bought some calcium chloride off of amazon and mixed it 50:50 with rubbing alcohol and injected 1cc into each testicle and they are dead now, it was super easy no blood and cheap, just lots of pain for a week or so, last T blood test a month ago came back and I’m still at castrate levels after a year

 No.228943

>>228935
ever thought of getting a penectomy?

 No.228948

Thinking about removing mine with my self defense sword

 No.228952

>>228943
Nope, just wanted to be castration since around the time I hit puberty.
Testosterone just feels like it was designed make you look/smell bad and give you urges that might lead to reproduction.
Nothing against having a penis.

>>228942
Sounds interesting, I will have to look into it.

 No.228954

>>228952
yea, I hate testosterone, I castrated when I was 20 and wish I’d done it earlier since it was so easy, I don’t want to be hairy and sweaty, luckily never grew facial hair

 No.228958

>>228954
Don't you get sweaty with some meds?

 No.228959

>>228958
My current depression meds cause me to sweat at night, but daytime no

 No.228960

I'll repost what I posted in the asexual thread
During the 2011 WPATH symposium in which the new Standard of Care (SoC) were released (meaning that the standards were already written), there was much discussion on people who do not want to transition completely, and who desire some part of it, such as removal of some genitalia or breasts or to look more androgynous. I know because I was there (I am a member of WPATH). The new version does recognize that people are not all gender binary, and indeed, even the new title of the SoC uses the term Gender-Nonconforming People.

Many caregivers at the symposium mentioned that they had patients that went part way and then disappeared. We know now that they portrayed themselves as MtF or FtM so that they can get part of the treatment (those that they wanted) because being honest could hurt them. We know that now. Often, some surgeries are refused due to the "first, do no harm" philosophy. But we did discuss the idea of "do least harm". If someone wishes to remove part of their body, and you refuse, then they do so anyway and have life-threatening effects, then which would be "least harm", providing the service and performing it safely, or the possible alternative?

One presentation, which was given by four separate presenters, discussed the male-to-not-male patient. I made sure to attend that. One of my main purposes in attending the symposium was to discuss non-binary people, and this was devoted to a part of the "gender-nonconforming" part of the gender spectrum about which I aim to educate people at conferences and elsewhere.

One presenter gave data to show that the male-to-not-male or MtN is actually not as rare as one might think, and nor is it new. He gave a history of such from ancient times to the present, and then gave an estimate to the present frequency. Another present had the main point that the present SoC do not adequately address MtN people, but that it should.

Another discussed a patient of his that wanted nullification (sometimes known as "the Ken effect"), but he could not write a letter for it under the older guidelines (version 6).

The newer version does not adequately address the issue, but there might possibly be treatment under it as GID-NOS, or Gender Identity Disorder, Not Otherwise Specified, rather than BIID (Body Integrity Identity Disorder, which is not covered in the SoC).

If and when the "letters" are written, there was a surgeon who does this type of surgery ("cosmetic SRS"). He was James Bellringer of Charing Cross in London. He resigned last year. There was also a doctor that performed castration on demand in the USA. He was Felix Spector. He is no longer alive (he was born about a century ago). I did have a chance to talk with him many years ago. He felt that this decision should be up to the patient.

I am not sure who does these nowadays. The Eunuch Archive forum that I linked above may have newer information. There may be a replacement for Bellringer by now. Be safe and see if there is. There were and likely still are surgeons who do this in Thailand, too.

https://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/114671-one-of-these-days-im-going-to-cut-my-dick-off-trigger-warning-tmi/?tab=comments#comment-1061108786

 No.228962

>>228959
my new one or changing mixing with old one is making me sweat a lot especially in my face for some reason

 No.229086

>>228935
did the bica make you grow breasts?

 No.229087

BASED

 No.229097

>castration thread
>dog hate thread
Fucking hell, every schizo has his own thread now. What's next, neverland thread? Mod discord clique thread?

 No.229100

>>229097
There is actually alot of overlap.
The few crazies we have are also the most prolific and attention whorish posters.

 No.229104

>>229100
castration isn’t crazy, I recommend it for any wiz that just wants a simple life. I’m already castrated myself but lately I’ve been thinking of getting rid of my penis, but I’m not too sure yet.

 No.229105

>>229097
The eunuchs, vegans, dog haters, anarchists, anti-nihilists and secondaries are all the same people I feel.

 No.229106

>>229104
Yes, it is indeed very crazy. It is on the far off the deep end of crazy.

 No.229107

>>229105
I am pretty sure most of the antinatalist post are just memes at this point. Very few care about that dead horse of a topic since it doesn't even matter on a practical/functional level to most of the users on this site.
It isn't even a reason people choose not to have sex here.

I also pretty sure there are more then one dog hater. I do think that the one who makes edgy post about killing dogs for barking is the same dude on /b/ that makes threads complaining about noise almost every day.

 No.229109

>>229097
Lol mod, how does it feel that you cant delete this thread?

 No.229110

>>229106
So you can cut your dog's nuts off for a measly sum of cash, BUT if you are a human who doesn't want his then it's thousands of dollars and some gender dysfunction diagnoses and letter, or do it yourself in your bedroom. This world is insane, not me, I should have been able to go in for castration at 13.

 No.229112

>>229110
Why not both?
Both you and the world are crazy. It isn't mutually exclusive.

 No.229113

>>229112
Men have undergone castration for thousands of years, it's basically a human right, or it should be, I don't see how it makes me crazy.

 No.229114

>>229113
>I don't see how it makes me crazy
Because you are crazy.

 No.229115

>>229114
Give me one reasonable argument on why you think castration is crazy, so far you are just ad homing not proving anything.

 No.229116

>>229115
He just feeels like it lol

 No.229118

>>229113
I'm not sure if you are aware or not but the people getting castrated were not doing so voluntarily.

 No.229119


 No.229122

>>229118
some were though, I've read that in roman times boys would be castrated so that they could marry the emperor and become one of his wives

 No.229123

>>229122
I think you are thinking of Sporus. Firstly that was a one off, secondly Nero was the one that had him castrated, he didn't do it of his own accord and thirdly it's likely the whole thing was made up(it's possibly that much of what is written about Nero and other members of his family was just propaganda).

 No.229124

>>229113
So is killing succs tbh

 No.229127

>>229123
I also remember there was some cult that would castrate themselves and dress like women, but all of this I read years ago so I hardly recall

 No.229129

>>229127
>some cult does some crazy shit
You are not helping your case dude.

 No.229130

>>229129
I consider wizchan a sort of nu-cult

 No.229131

>>229130
You would be wrong in most meanings of the word cult. Even if you stuck a retarded and meaningless "nu" in front of the word.

 No.229132

What about wizards who don't identify with men, but want to wholly remove themselves from this sex-controlled society by removing their genitals and things signifying puberty, effectively becoming genderless aliens.

 No.229133

>>229132
You don't need to identify with anything to be classified as a male, it's a genetic description is all. I don't care for a lot of the cultural things usually associated with males, but that doesn't change my genes. You're not going to be genderless no matter what you do. You just become a mutilated male in that case. I think it's easier to stop identifying your penis as a male characteristic than to cutting it off. Those people always say their bodies doesn't define their gender, well then, then just redefine how you identify your body parts. I guess transgenders just lack imagination is all.

 No.229134

>>229132
It doesnt matter what you "identify" with jesus is this place really full of reddit zoomers now?

 No.229135

>>229133
Well I specifically said men because I was talking about "man culture", stuff like machoism and what not, of course you would still be male, but you would be dropping out of the sex race.

 No.229137

>>229135
Wiz I'm out of sex race right now and I didn't need to cut off any part of my body.

 No.229138

>>229137
I'm saying leaving it both physically and mentally

 No.229139

>>229138
and he is saying he is doing both physically and mentally without cutting is junk off.

You can just choose not to have sex nor have anything to do with sexual aspects of the culture at large without the need for self mutilation.

 No.229144

>>229086
probably a bit?
It's not very noticeable though.
>>229097
wizchan is comfy because you can talk about fringe stuff and there are a lot of open minded people here, I don't see that as a bad thing.

 No.229145

>>229144
*Wizchan WAS comfy

 No.229151

>>229144
I also grew a little breasts screwing around with those medications as a teen, I plan to get them removed if I ever get a job and make money

 No.229152

Mana is absorbed trough the testicles.

 No.229158


 No.229589

i feel i have a lot of relevant ideas and experiences to share in this thread, considering im castrated myself, but theres so much constricting rules here and i simply cant express my myself without getting banned

which is really unfortunate because i do think i have relevant ideas to express and insights into the subject, and arguments to make from both sides of the coin, but again, i simply cannot make them without breaking the rules. this is the reason why i largely stay away from posting here actually. its really sad but i simply cannot express my opinion without getting my post deleted or getting banned. shame!

 No.229599

>>229113
>Men have undergone castration for thousands of years
>Men
you mean literal faggots? eunuchs only exist to perform the tasks that men dont want to do, they are almost like slaves. why the fuck would you want to associate with those people?

 No.229600

>>229589
I want to hear them wiz

 No.229602

>>229113
Animals are still castrated everywhere as well. Far more common for domesticated animals to be castrated than not. Human culture makes no sense, we are domesticated as well

 No.229606

>>229599
The Bible said its an honor to become a eunuch for God and Origen followed

 No.229616

>>229606
Not saying a biblical argument is even remotely valid, but I don't recall the bible saying that.
Where in the bible (book, chapter, and verse) and what is the context?

 No.229619


 No.229621

>>229619
to prempt any objections, that its not saying to become a Eunuch literally, we should look at the most direct translations from the Greek, and not translators trying to put the more acceptable meaning they want into it


English Standard Version
For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

Berean Literal Bible
For there are eunuchs who were born thus from their mother's womb, and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of the heavens. The one being able to receive it, let him receive it."

Aramaic Bible in Plain English
“For there are eunuchs who were born so from their mother's womb and there are eunuchs who became eunuchs by men and there are those who have made themselves eunuchs for the cause of the Kingdom of Heaven. Whoever can receive it let him receive it.”

Young's Literal Translation
for there are eunuchs who from the mother's womb were so born; and there are eunuchs who were made eunuchs by men; and there are eunuchs who kept themselves eunuchs because of the reign of the heavens: he who is able to receive it – let him receive.'

 No.229623

>>229621
Go see the Greek yourself

MAKE YOURSELF A EUNUCH.

Not a volcel, not like a eunuch, not similar to a eunuch, not staying single

It says make yourself a Eunuch.

Origen who was famous for his allegorical interpretations of the Bible, took this part literally as it couldn't be more direct and clear. Only deliberate obscuration could ignore it. Its a direct command. If you ignore it, the rest of the Bible means nothing. Then words have no meaning, and can mean whatever you feel like.

https://biblehub.com/text/matthew/19-12.htm

 No.229624

>>229619
>>229621
What that passage is saying is that eunics can be Christians too and not to turn them away.
It does not say "its an honor to become a eunuch for God and Origen followed".
It is a continuation of the message of accepting everybody into Christianity.

 No.229625

>>229624
No its not saying they just happen to be eunuchs. Its saying they did it FOR the Kingdom of God. So if you want to reach the highest level of Christian you have to εὐνούχισαν

 No.229626

>>229624
>It does not say "its an honor to become a eunuch for God and Origen followed".

If you can somehow miss the second clause of a single sentence, either it is deliberate obscuration or you missed it because you can't bare the truth

> there are those who have made themselves eunuchs for the cause of the Kingdom of Heaven.

 No.229627

>>228960
>We’re seeing alot of men wanting to mutilate themselves
>So we should help them do it!
Why is this the immediate response? Why do they not think their might be some macro level issues at play here that causes men to feel this way. Yes, I know this site supports wizdom and doesn’t view it negatively like crabs. However, wanting to chop your balls off is fundamentally separate from wizdom, as others in this thread have stated, and does indicate a serious problem. The fact that supposed “professionals” encourage people to chop off body parts to feel better should be proof enough of the decline of the west.
Inb4 muh historical anecdote. You’d be hard pressed to find instances of men wanting to castrate themselves to remove sexual desire. Even if you can find examples, that doesn’t mean they or their society wasn’t fucked up.

 No.229628

>>229623
>>229625
You are ignoring the full passage as well as the context of the passage.
Look up what the passage means according to experts if you don't believe me.
It is saying that eunichs are to be exempt from having to marry but they can still be good Christians.
Matthew 19:12. For there are some eunuchs, &c. — Our Lord here shows that the fore-mentioned gift of continence is given to three sorts of persons: 1st, To some by natural constitution, without their choice. 2d, To some by the violence of men, against their choice: and, 3d, To others by grace, with their choice; who steadily withstand their natural inclinations, that they may wait upon God without distraction, and may glorify him in a single life, judging it to be a state more free from worldly cares, and more friendly to devotion, than that of marriage. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it — He that has this gift, in any of these ways, whether by natural constitution and disposition; or by the injury of human force used upon him, rendering him incapable of the matrimonial union; or by an ardent desire of promoting the interests of religion, animating him to subdue his natural appetite, and enabling him to live in voluntary chastity, unencumbered with secular concerns; such a person will not sin though, he leads a single life. The words, however, let him receive it, must not be referred to the clauses immediately preceding them, as if our Lord had meant to say, He that is able to become a eunuch by any of the ways I have mentioned, let him become one; for the second way, namely, through violence offered to men’s bodies, is absolutely unlawful: but they must be referred to Matthew 19:11, as is plain from the words themselves; and the meaning of them is, He that can receive the saying there mentioned, and live chastely without marriage, may receive it; and, as many commentators understand the words, ought to receive it. “They who have the gift of continency,” says Henry, “and are not under any necessity of marrying, do best if they continue single, 1 Corinthians 7:1; for they that are unmarried have opportunity, if they have but a heart, to care more for the things of the Lord, how they may please the Lord, 1 Corinthians 7:32; 1 Corinthians 7:34, being less encumbered with the cares of this life, and having greater vacancy of thoughts, and time to mind better things.” The word eunuchs, from the Greek ευνουχοι, eunouchoi, means having the care of the bed, or bed-chamber, (from ευνην εχειν,) this being the principal employment of eunuchs in the eastern countries, that is, of such as our Lord says were made eunuchs by men, merely for the purpose of attending in the apartments of queens and princesses.

https://biblehub.com/commentaries/benson/matthew/19.htm

 No.229639

>>229628
This isn't context, this is some 20th century American guy named Benson from The Regular Show trying to sophistry his way around a clear command.

Eunuchs are superior to normies. They become eunuchs for the sake of the Lord. They do it voluntarily to serve God better.

Its not saying normies please don't be too judgemental towards eunuchs. But if you want to be the best Christian you can be- become a eunuch.

 No.229641

>>229639
>god makes you in his own image
>respond by chopping off parts of his image
>to be the best christain you can be

christain logic, man…
it never fails

 No.229644

>>229641
sexual desire is a result of original sin and the fall

 No.229647

>>229644
So Adam had no balls initially?

 No.229649

>>229647
Or rather, did god have a dick? Or did Adam and Eve grow sex characteristics after eating the forbidden fruit?

 No.229650

>>229589
how do you feel about penis removal

 No.229665

>>229639
Now you are just being facetious at this point.

 No.229670

Making yourself closer to succubi (evil) is pathetic and should be bannable in most contexts.

 No.229676

>>229628
>basing your beliefs off of an ancient tome meant to further enslave peasants and also proclaims a system of transcendental metaphysics
lel

 No.229682

>>229676
All in the koolaid and don't know the flavor

 No.230725

>>229606
as a guy who castrated himself because of that particular bible verse, i kinda regret it. its actually not the worse thing in the world as i just get testosterone injections and everything works fine more or less, but i do regret it

please understand, i VERY STRONGLY beleive in god, i just dont believe in the bible. the most i learned about the bible the more i lost any belief in it. i strongly recommend listening to bart ehrman or robert eisenman, do a good job understanding the origin of the bible, without any religious influence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8tBkuLftDA&list=PLIAom8LXSjhLIY5SsBSqgRlu3bZWmuZN2&index=1

i strongly believe that god is evil in making us, in the same way that humans are evil for bringing cows, pigs, chickens and dogs into existence

for example, we enslave and kill millions of cows pigs and chickens a year for our amusement, and i think this is evil. we kill hundrends of thousands of dogs in animal shelters and abandon an equal amount, and i think this is evil, we also enslave dogs and i think this is evil. in the same way, i think god is evil, and i dont believe there is justice in this world, neither here or in the afterlife, which i dont believe in

just because i believe in god doesnt mean i think god is good or i believe in the bible. i used to, but i stopped. we all make mistakes, lol

do what you want, but i advise understanding the bible more thoroughly before making such a decision

and you are right. in the original greek, it was eunuch. the modern translations are shit. infact, in the gospel of the ebionites, which the gospel of matthew is based on, had the verse in it as well. from my understanding is a genuine verse, but i simply dont believe in the bible

 No.230730

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Castration is one of the most unwizardly things you can do.

Despite the fact that it's an active rejection of the modern societal context, it fails to transcend it in any real way. It's firstly a physical act that likely will not have any real effect on your perception of sexuality, you will still be horny and sex-obsessed, just with less ability for satisfaction. This obviously leads to more frustration, not less.

Secondly, it fails to transcend the context and modern spheres of meaning because it's reactionary. If wizardry is anything, it's learning about how to detach from everyday context and embody yourself in a meta-context that serves you instead of the other way around. This can only be done through knowledge gained through experience or meditation, insight into the structures of your mind and mechanical processes which form your perception of reality.

Essentially, your current reality is too narrow, it's caught up in a specific world with specific rules under which you cannot possibly win. The solution to a nightmare is to awake from it, which is done by moving your consciousness to a meta-level outside of its bounds and everything on the lower level dissolves. Anything else you do is simply falling for the illusion, like fighting the monsters or letting them devour you or trying to escape them.

While playing a video game, you temporarily put yourself in a specific mental context but you have no trouble quitting the game and moving on from it because you have the knowledge of the meta-context in which the game resides. From this you can understand that anything you do inside the game is meaningless outside of its narrow context and you have no trouble letting go whatever happens. There is indeed a meta-context under which sexuality dissolves and many spiritual masters have attained it through knowledge. Of course, not your garden variety wikipedia factoids but real, experiential knowledge that cannot be verbalized or transferred and must be earned.

 No.230748

>>228836

IF YOU CANT TAKE THE CRABS PINCHES THEN CASTRATE YOURSELF YOU MOTHERFUCKING VOLCEL

 No.230749

>>230730
Are you sure you know what castration is? Seems like you're talking about something completely different.

 No.230750

>>230749
He's right, becoming a crypto-succubus is unwizardly.

 No.230763

>>229123
nero was one of the better emperors but he had no real head for politics/management.
his mom was batshit crazy, most of his family would have been better off aborted.

 No.230764

>>229105
not so…
i H8 dogs, but the other classes do not apply to me…

 No.230773

>>230749
I'm talking about cutting off your balls, my dude. Can you even read?



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