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 No.229286[Last 50 Posts]

This thread is for the civil discussion of anything towards a political nature, especially political ideology and current affairs.

last thread >>227590

 No.229287

Whats this picture

 No.229288

>>229287
Anthony Scaramucci and Mike Huckabee in Israel with Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman. These guys are tied to Dmytro Firtash and Andrey Muraviev and other Russian mobsters. Also caught up in the current Ukraine scandal because they were working with Rudy to influence the Ukrainian prosecutors.

 No.229289

>>229288
oh, also they were arrested on campaign finance charges. Looks like they were funneling Russian mob money to GOP politicians. Trump knows both of them and has known Parnas since at least 2014. Despite this he has denied knowing them. Trump seems to know most Russian mobligarchs.

 No.229293

archive list whether you like it or not

https://lore.wizchan.org/index.php/Politics_Thread

 No.229294

>>229286
>>229293
Nope
#1: Politics Thread https://web.archive.org/web/20170404000746/http://wizchan.org/lounge/res/133215.html
Politics Thread #2: Wizlam Edition - https://web.archive.org/web/20170404000634/wizchan.org/lounge/res/135806.html
Politics Thread #4: Wizpilled Edition 5/12/2017 - https://archive.fo/3wlfT
Politics Thread #5: All So Tiresome Edition 7/3/2017 - https://archive.fo/QlRs1
Politics Thread #6: World on Fire Edition 8/18/2017 - https://archive.fo/6YxvY
Politics Thread #7: Temptations Intensify Edition 8/31/17 - https://archive.fo/Y0JQu
Politics Thread #8: Left and Right Edition 10/11/17 - https://archive.fo/H0llg
Politics Thread #9: Reading Anything Online Edition 11/7/17 - https://archive.fo/yxGrJ
Politics Thread #10: The Truth Will Set You Free Edition https://archive.fo/UrurS
Politics Thread #11: someone had to make it edition - https://archive.fo/y71b2
Politics Thread #12: Fuck the pastebin edition - https://archive.fo/wD4il
Politics Thread #13: Ironic Marxist Edition - https://archive.fo/xfWZY
Politics Thread #14: Civil Discussion Edition - https://archive.fo/Ck8Xe
Politics Thread #15: Over My Dead Body Edition - https://archive.fo/xdMoH
Politics Thread #16: Missile Strikes for Peace edition - https://archive.fo/PP3tS
Politics Thread #17: Anti-Meme Edition - https://archive.fo/YxJMy
Politics Thread #18: Quote Mine Edition - https://archive.fo/mi2ZU
Politics Thread #19: Lady Justice Edition - https://archive.fo/JQeyd
Politics Thread #20: France Edition - https://archive.fo/9d9op
Politics Thread #21: Anime Political Meme Edition - https://archive.fo/K8OvE
Politics Thread #22: Verified Hate Edition -https://archive.fo/AVoyW
Politics Thread #23: Hail to the Philosopher King Edition - https://archive.fo/ooZI4
Politics Thread #24: Supreme Edition - https://archive.fo/TvRnm
Politics Thread #25: The Final Judgment Edition - https://archive.fo/0MaGf
Politics Thread #26: Non-player Character Edition - https://archive.fo/IvRUj
Politics Thread #27: Birthright Edition - https://archive.fo/Fy4ox
Politics Thread #28: Shut It Down Edition - https://archive.fo/6l87I
Politics Thread #29: Brand New Current Year Edition - https://archive.fo/pGEPL
Politics Thread #30: It's Okay To Smirk Edition - https://archive.fo/5gv13
Politics Thread #31: It Begins Edition - https://archive.fo/eaSIz
Politics Thread #32: Free Choice Edition - https://archive.fo/TTGTC
Politics Thread #33: Accelerationism edition - https://archive.fo/eFfBY
Politics Thread #34: Clown World Edition - https://archive.fo/8AYmV
Politics Thread #35: Show Some Class Edition - https://archive.fo/KzuHY
Politics Thread #36: Proper Politics Thread Edition - https://archive.fo/TuUNL
Politics Thread #37: Political Manipulation Edition - https://archive.fo/GfoQg
Politics Thread #38: Epstein's Pedophile Sting Operation Edition - https://archive.fo/qXKJi
Politics Thread #39: Straight Shooter Edition - https://archive.fo/IOPeg
Politics Thread #40: This account has been terminated Edition - https://archive.fo/TXc37

 No.229295

If you don't want to make the thread right then don't make the thread.

 No.229314

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What do you know it looks like all of Trump and Guiliani's Ukrainian friends just keep getting caught trying to buy assets Yanukovich stole from Ukraine as he fled to Russia. What a strange "coincidence" indeed.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/10/exclusive-giuliani-associate-linked-yanukovych-stolen-cash-191010120733266.html

 No.229315


 No.229321

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Conservatives always lose because they never consolidate power by rewriting laws and the constitution when they have political power.

They need to make it illegal to teach leftism, in public and college schools, make it illegal to promote LGBT, make it illegal to demographically overwhelm the native population. The reason the left has become so powerful is because they literally ban their opposition, intimidate them, put them in jail and indoctrinate their children.

I want every leftist to be afraid of spouting their non-sense in the public sphere and I want them arrested for trying to subvert the nation and traditional values.

 No.229323

This is a bit funny.
>Millennials Are So Fragile Some Literally Are Begging The Government For Death, Seriously

Some succubus is somewhat awkward and no one came to her slumber party…So she wants the government to kill her in assisted suicide.

 No.229324

>>229323
Tim Pool is an annoying retard that has no real good takes. He's literally a hapa too.

I only tolerate him because he criticizes the left.

 No.229326

>>229314
oh hello there, ivan

 No.229327

>>229324
You are an annoying retard that has no real good takes.

I am not sure why I tolerate you.

 No.229330

>>229321
Conservatives always lose in the end because the very thing they are trying to halt is fundamentally unavoidable. That thing is change. The best they can do is slow things down and guide things in the proper direction informed with the wisdom of the past.

That said, you sound like a authoritarian tyrant and we don't need anymore of those.

 No.229332

>>229288
>>229289
Speaking of that
Biden's kid is still doing shady stuff.

 No.229333

>>229321
They want their cake and eat it too. You can't have conservative values and technological/economical progress simultaneously. Also conservatism is a bad ruling strategy (outside of certain context), the best is to demolish the hoi polloi.

 No.229335

>>229333
>You can't have conservative values and technological/economical progress simultaneously

Yes you can, it's called making it illegal to have retarded leftist views.

 No.229336

>>229335
>invent washing machine, indoor plumbing, AC, desktop computer, electrecity
Here, your conservatism and trad families are already fucked.

 No.229351

>>229333
You can, it's all relative.

 No.229381

Syria is moving north to push the Turks back it seems, we will see but this could develop into something interesting. Depending on what the agreement they made with the Kurds and what the Turk response will be the war may see an end in not long(I say not long but in the scale of things that will still most likely be more than a year at best).

https://thedefensepost.com/2019/10/14/syria-regime-tel-tamer-turkey-border/

 No.229382

>>229321
This picture is extremely shallow, materialistic and detrimental to your… “cause”.
>waaaah i wish it was still the fifties when every white man like me had a house in suburbia, a big car, a loving wife and two kids :(((((
(two is barely replacement level ironically)

traditional my ass, as if the fifties were perfect, try reading vance packard.

 No.229383

>>229382
Say what you like about the 50's but they at least didn't have gay marriage and legal marijuana.

 No.229384

>>229382
Lol butthurt

 No.229385

>>229384
At least im not butthurt over something as stupid as being born too late to be a boomer drone.

 No.229386

>>229321
A conservative is a fellow standing athwart history yelling "stop", but never actually undoing anything that was done. That's why "conservatives" are useless, and are merely the leftover of progressives of the past. There are no "conservatives" that want to go back to the 50's, because that would be racist, homophobic, and so on, let alone going back to a time before that.

Yes, american conservatism is self-defeating, but that misses the point. There is nothing a neocon wants to "conserve" that is worth conserving, they are the problem, and are merely progressives who are merely one step behind but still in lockstep.

 No.229389

>>229321
the left has zero power in the west, unless you're trying to say neoliberals are leftists but then the conservatives would actually be far more "leftist" by that metric than the so called left.

 No.229392

>>229386
If America was a conservative country it would have begun with tearing down the constitution, killing all free-masons and crypto-masons, sending jews back to EVROPA inside coffins, and burnt every philosophical, theological and political litteratures written since the 15th century.

 No.229393

>>229389
Any right-winger who talk about human rights, rights in general, democracy, will of the people, consent, freedom, property etc… demonstrates that he isn't a right-winger.

 No.229394

>>229392
You can't keep applying 15th century terms to the 21st century dude. Conservatives no longer want to abolish the constitution and implement a theocratic monarchy. Conservatives just want to do liberalism except without all those pesky social liberties and human rights. The only human right they really care about are property rights. Neoliberalism is mostly about how to make the government and indeed society at large subservient to the wealthy capitalists. Todays conservatives are far more fervent in their attempts to accomplish this than the left.

 No.229395

Y'all gonna need to define your terms because I have a feeling you guys mean radically different things when using the same words and applying your own definitions to what other people said why intentionally disregarding what they actually meant to score argument points.

 No.229396

>>229394
It's by defending merchant interest that they found themselves in this position in the first place. The conservative will support the capitalist to fight gommunism, and the capitalist will reward him by sending her wife in the workforce and giving her economic and political power over him. They're just bought controlled opposition. Anyway no genuine right wing movement can exist nowadays execpt as internet larping.

 No.229407

>>229392
The American constitution is only as good as it stops the progressive revolutionaries and, as such, it is not really very good, since they've been making vast and rapid reforms to the American society decade after decade anyway. There is no reason to believe that the American constitution makes that country more socially stable. So, yeah, American constitution worshipers are at best another strain of self-defeating "conservatives".

 No.229408

>>229393
That cant be, everything to the right of marx is nazi now apparently

 No.229410

>>229407
The constitution was written by progessive revolutionaries themselves. Hoping that it would prevent further revolution was delusional.

 No.229431

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Its only a matter of time before the Democrats become uncontested at the presidential level, the black-mestizoid coalition will usher in permanent leftist governance. Now don't get me wrong, the republicans are cucked and further the globalist agenda just like the democrats but they go at it much slower.

They often retard leftist progress and due to fears of losing elections the left often backs out of their most unpopular and radical proposals. However once the democrats become the singular ruling party there will be no such inhibitions. Presidential elections will become like elections in the south during the reconstruction era, an internal struggle between democrats.

The democratic primary will be the de facto national election and the radical left will increasingly push it left at an alarming pace plus now they will no fear of losing elections. Here are a list of things they will implement upon achieving permanent power:

​1. Abolition of gun rights
2. Hate speech legislation
3. making people eat insects
4. banning meat or making it too expensive for most people
5. making people live in pods and containers
6. carbon taxes that make owning automobiles impossible for normal people
7. Registration in order to have children
8. compulsory LGBT and transsexual indoctrination/grooming of children
9. Abolishing cash and ushering in digital currency
10. Creating full a surveillance state in collaboration with silicon valley
11. Decriminalizing the act of knowingly giving people STDs
12. Post birth abortion countrywide
13. Social credit system based on your internet search profile
14. Jail, fines or worse for antisemitism or anti zionism
15. Legalization of pedophilia de jure or de facto by lowering age of consent
16. Legalization of Bestiality
17. Reeducation camps(brainwashing) for thought criminals
18. Calling police on blacks illegal

The US will become a full totalitarian surveillance state where you can go to jail or worse for thought crimes. The US under democrats will make the old Soviet union look like a libertarian paradise. Let's hope the American people cuts loose or Russia-China helps American dissidents build up secession movements within because its going to become a terrifying place.

I wouldn't be surprised if they build walls to keep Americans in rather than Mexicans out.

 No.229432

did you copy that from stormfront or some larouchist forum? this is some high level of insanity right there

 No.229433

>>229432
All of those laws have either been attempted to be passed or successfully passed in California.

 No.229440

When information access, processing and diffusion is assymetric, even truth is a lie, which is to say always.

 No.229444

>>229432
This is the standard fare product of republican propaganda brainwashing in the US. It doesn't matter how outlandish it is, they never bother to check into the issue for themselves, they just accept whatever the narrative is from the right. It's always apocalyptic. They think liberals are all some sort of satanic cultists. Fun fact: the majority of Americans believe Demonic possession is real. Americans will believe anything, especially in the anti-science bible belt. Until Obama came in and implemented some sort of education standards with common core, there was literally no consistency or standards anywhere, if the teacher wanted to teach the bible and that evolution was a lie of the devil, that's what you got. Now you at least get taught evolution, even if your teacher also tells you it's a lie of the devil. Of course right wingers spun common core as a plan to brainwash children into becoming transsexual prostitutes or something when in fact what they hate about it is that it implemented some science classes that also happen to teach critical thinking skills.

 No.229445

>>229444
>This is the standard fare product of republican propaganda brainwashing in the US.
Not really.
I would like you to cite a main stream republican source for your claim that such statements and positions are standard.

 No.229446

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>>229444
>>229432

k-12 Math Ethnic Studies Framework in Seattle - https://t.co/brkz4LHr7r?amp=1

LGBTQ history - https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/11/us/illinois-lgbtq-history-curriculum-trnd/index.html

Drag queens reading stories to children in libraries schools - https://www.dragqueenstoryhour.org/

California teaches children as young as kindergarten about gender identity issues and talks explicitly with high school students about every imaginable sex act - https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/he/cf/

CA Sex Ed book teaches children about "Body Fluid or Blood Play" and 'Bondage" - https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9njBaZTrCfSRnVWX3h0djhndGhWeC1sbGJpajY5U1lNS3Br/view

You're retarded and you need to go back to reddit. Most leftists I come across are just outright uninformed or just mentally handicapped

 No.229448

>>229446
>oh no, the libs are teaching kids that trannies exist and that people have sex! Clearly they're trying to make everyone gay pedo dogfuckers!

I actually agree that it's misguided to focus on trannies so much, but honestly who cares? if you're not a tranny, you're not gonna be a tranny. I wish they would just ignore gender roles altogether and tell people that there is nothing wrong with men acting girly or succubi acting manly. If you're a girly guy you shouldn't have to feel like you need to cut your dick off to fit in, but at least this is a start down that eventual path. Soon people will be used to the idea that there doesn't need to be a strict code of conduct for men and succubi and we can start treating people more equally, as individuals and who they really are without all this nonsense about how certain types of people "should" act.

 No.229449

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 No.229450

>>229333
>>229336
I don't think technology causes progressivism, but it certainly enables it. Humans are prone to degenerate to base instincts of self-indulgence and so forth, and that is what progressivism is, the abandonment of order and everything that it entails, because order is strict, sober, and it's easy to dismiss its ultimate necessity when technology easily fulfills your basic desires, especially as order appears downright cruel to those who think it is not necessary. The thing is, I don't think that technology will go away any time soon, short of a cataclysmic event. I disagree with Kaczynski's idea that it's possible to revert technology by willing human action, and that it's another self-defeating strategy. The only way for technology to go away without a meteor hitting earth or something like that is human civilization going through the full cycle and then reset after even technology cannot hold society together anymore. The question is whether we can find a system that allows for technological concessions without the decay of order, or if humanity is doomed to fall prey to progressivism and the inevitable destruction that it causes. Technology happens and then it exists and spreads, and that is ultimately impossible to consciously avoid, but is there a stable form of organization that can suppress the decay (progressivism) that it enables?

Of course, I wish to believe that it's possible to stop humanity in its progress towards the abyss, otherwise I wouldn't even be arguing about this.

 No.229452

>>229449
If you kept doing that it would have been fair game and nobody would have any grievances against you beside the fairly normal stuff like ancestral enemies you fight just because half a millenia ago your great-great-great-great grand father fought with yours. But no you had to be a bunch of retards and ruin everything for everybody this planet.

 No.229453

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 No.229459

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-whistleblower-firtash/indicted-giuliani-associate-worked-on-behalf-of-ukrainian-oligarch-firtash-idUSKBN1WQ2H5

Turns our Parnas and Fruman work for Dmytro Firtash.

Firtash works directly for Semyon Mogilovich who is the head of the Russian mob.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/dec/01/wikileaks-cables-russian-mafia-gas

So we have Donald Trump, the President of the United States secretly conspiring with Russian mobsters to smear Biden and clear Firtash's name in the process. How much more obvious do we need to make things people? Goddamn. He even fucking extorted Ukraine using the aid package, and he fired the ambassador who was just doing her job and trying to clean up corruption. How can anyone support this man? He is literally working for the Russian mob. LITERALLY.

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 No.229461

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>>229459
>So we have Donald Trump, the President of the United States secretly conspiring with Russian mobsters to smear Biden and clear Firtash's name in the process. How much more obvious do we need to make things people? Goddamn. He even fucking extorted Ukraine using the aid package, and he fired the ambassador who was just doing her job and trying to clean up corruption. How can anyone support this man? He is literally working for the Russian mob. LITERALLY.
He isn't trying to smear Biden. Biden and his son legitimately possibly committed a crime. The DoJ is required to go through with an investigation. Calling what information that was released is extortion is a stretch, especially if you actually look at the transcripts. Even if things were as hyperbolic as you're making them out to be, one would be correct to be skeptical given the years of russiarussiarussia that has been going on to no end after Mueller ended in a farce.

I don't know why I'm replying. You'll call me trolling, that I'm pulling the wool over my eyes, that Mueller actually did inculpate Trump, etc.. Pic related. When I see pics like yours, its begun to lose meaning, like I'm reading something that a bot or an AI has written. I'm starting to get really apathetic about it all.

 No.229463

Someone in America needs to kill the goy-in-chief blumpf to save wizanon mental state. Any wiz who wants to volunteer for martyrdom in the name of Allah?

 No.229467

>>229463
Fuck off glow nigger.

 No.229472

>>229460
That is upsetting.
Also fuck homework! Only succubi and asians like and care about homework. She don't look asian to me. Guess that means one thing, still a fucking succubus.

 No.229473

>>229463
*screen caps to get the whole site taken down like all the rest of the image boards that aren't shitchan*

 No.229474

CNN Whistleblower EXPOSES Hard Proof Of Networks Anti-Trump Bias
CNN Whistleblower EXPOSES Hard Proof Of Networks Anti-Trump Bias, Project Veritas Reports. James O'Keefe of Project Veritas has released a new expose this time on CNN. A whistleblower who has worked with the company for over two years agreed to secretly film in order to expose the bias against the President and conservatives.

In the expose we can see several employees discussing their disdain and concerns over CNN's political bias, violation of journalist integrity, and obsession with trump.

While many of us knew that CNN was biased for obvious reasons they continue to deny that they are anything but objective reporters. But in the video hard proof exposes Jeff Zucker, the president of CNN claiming that a legitimate report from Politico is fake news.

These outlets are consuming their own biased spin to the point of thinking their own actually reporting is fake news. This results in an even more twisted and broken world view.

Democrats and the far left, being more likely to trust media, end up with the same warped view of reality.
That is not to say republicans and conservatives don't end up believing fake news too, it just means that those who rely on large news institutions are increasingly being fed fake news.

In the end we see that CNN is not just driven by ratings but also the ideological drive and perhaps guilt of helping to create Trump by giving him non stop press. But sadly we see the result, the obsession continues much to the chagrin of CNN's own employees

 No.229476

>>229474
Wow, CNN is biased. Thank you beanie man for telling me that for the millionth time.

 No.229479

>>229461
>Biden and his son legitimately possibly committed a crime.

There is NO FUCKING EVIDENCE OF THIS. Jesus fucking christ, that's the whole fucking problem. There was never any evidence of a crime to start with. What the fuck is wrong with you people? How can you be so willfully stupid?

 No.229480

>>229479
I don't know, maybe for the same reason you followed russiagate for umpteen years and now just want to continue it in a different direction :|. Also, the whole point of an investigation is to see if there is evidence. Or maybe Mueller shouldn't have investigated because there was likewise no evidence beyond the pee folder made up by 4chan?

Btw, I noticed how you selectively chose what to respond to in that post. I find that interesting.

 No.229482

>>229474
every news source is biased, that’s why you don’t want to get all your info from one place

 No.229485

>>229479
Look at how selective you are when you suspect someone. If it was Trump's son in the same position you'd take it as another undeniable evidence of corruption.

 No.229486

>>229480
In case you're not a troll and are genuinely confused, I will attempt to explain once again.

It's a smear to say he committed a crime when there was no evidence of him committing a crime. An investigation is only opened once there is evidence of a crime, otherwise you're just harrassing random people for no reason. Not one single person on either the US or Ukrainian side has been able to find evidence a crime was committed. This is what the Ukrainian prosecutors repeatedly told both US officials and the media. This is why it is a smear to even try to open an investigation. An investigation can only be opened if there is some evidence of potential crimes, therefore opening an investigation into someone implies that they have committed crimes. Since there was never any evidence of any crimes to begin with the entire thing is fucking bullshit. Because Trump asked a foreign national to help him smear biden, it automatically becomes a crime. He took it one step further by using his official position to withold military aid to Ukraine until they did this which is clear extortion and so wildly corrupt it boggles my mind that I even have to explain that this is wrong to you people. I hope you are a troll for your sake, I really do.

 No.229494

>>229486
Replace Biden with Trump and Ukraine with Russia and you'd be very close to accurately defend Trump against the Russia conspiracy hitjob. Funny, right?

 No.229499

>>229494
This.
>>229485
By now there's been such a continued witch-hunt that I've lost faith in almost any investigation against Trump. It's turned into a boy-who-cried-wolf situation.

In any case, that shouldn't matter, since both Biden and Trump are being investigated, and haven't been convicted of anything yet.

 No.229505

>>229386
>>229407
will listen to these later, do you have any other interesting ones to share?

 No.229509

>>229476
>>229482
The problem is CNN actively fabricates things to suit their rather extreme agenda.
They don't report news, they make up propaganda and blatant lies.
Like that fake war footage that they put out recently while pushing the agenda that the US should go to war with Turkey.

They quite literally are fake news.
https://youtu.be/vTv0mMxAezE

 No.229519

>>229509
>that the US should go to war with Turkey
I know westerners hate Erdogan (pbuh), and Turks in general, but have they forgotten that Turkey is a key NATO allies. The Anglo-antlanticists fought and negotiated over 2 centuries for the control of the Bosphorus and the Black Sea and they want to throw it all away just to save a bunch of stupid ethnats retards, who by the way have commited ethnic cleansing, in case you think they are pure feminist Western angels in an abyss of Oriental backwardness.

 No.229528

https://www.thedailybeast.com/paul-manafort-sought-dollar850-million-deal-with-putin-ally-and-alleged-gangster

Good article about Paul Manafort's ties to Dmytro Firtash and Oleg Deripaska. Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman have been confirmed to work for Firtash. Rudy Admitted being paid 500k by Parnas's company Fraud Guarantee (lol). Firtash is wanted by the US for bribery and racketeering and has admitted his fortune is due to the patronage of the head of the Russian Mob, Semyon Mogilovich. Oleg Deripaska was who Manfort was giving regular briefings to on the Trump campaign's progress including polling data via Konstantin Kilimnik.

Now read this article and see who Firtash is using for his defense. Oh, the same lawyers Trump tried to hire for his defense. The same lawyers who were working with Guiliani earlier to smear Biden with Shokin, the corrupt former prosecutor who is now working for Firtash's defense. Oh and they're even using the same smear of Biden as part of their legal strategy. Small world.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2019/10/03/giuliani-claims-ukraine-corruption-case-firtash-dmytro-wanted-extradition-whistleblower-impeachment-biden/

If Trump is not removed and prosecuted along with every one of these traitors America is finished as a country.

 No.229533

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>>229528
It has been over for almost 5 decade. Energy return on energy invested will only go down, while consumption world wide will grow. Modernity is dead.

 No.229534

>>229528
>America is finished as a country.
I sure hope so, we need to file for divorce, irreconcilable differences would be an understatement.

 No.229541

>>229528
I swear you actually outdo any sort of right wing conspiracy nut out there by a long shot. You've spent hours every day in the last 3 years delving into this larp about Putin and Russia being this super mastermind, making the most strange connections between the most diverse characters, creating scenarios and so on. I wonder if this began as just a cope with "orange man is not really president" and snowballed into this or if you were already prone to this sort of stuff before that.

 No.229553

>>229541
More generally, I wonder how a psychological profile of the people who have completely bought into the Putin/Russia thing would look like. I would gather that your initial assessment is correct, that it began as a way to cope with dRuMPf and then snowballed into this.

 No.229568

>>229541
>>229553
You can ignore this as much as you want, it still doesn't change the fact that Trump is getting impeached over this. He is obstructing the investigation because he is guilty as hell. Same with Rudy who also missed the deadline for his subpoena. Of course that's nothing new with the Trump administration, they have just been ignoring the law when they feel it's inconvenient. The president is not a king, he is not above the law and he will be brought to justice in due time by the procedures the founding fathers put in place to safeguard our democracy from men like Trump who think they are above the law, men who put their own venal self interest above the well-being of the nation. Trump took an oath and he broke that oath and his perfidy will not go unpunished. The same goes for the other men who followed him blindly into the gutter.

 No.229569

>>229568
> it still doesn't change the fact that Trump is getting impeached over this
People have been trying to get him impeached since the start of his term. Here we are, nearing the end of his term, and he hasn't been impeached.

 No.229573

>>229568
Its all over for trump now! Just like the last time right? HAHAHA.

 No.229574

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Based Trump dabbing on sjws on twatter

 No.229579

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Trump is muslimin. He supports Hassan Nasrallah and the Hezbollah against the zionists and the kurds.

Inshallah

 No.229580

>>229519
I don't think the fake news media has though that far ahead and expect the average view to not understand the geopolitics of the area.
Something/someone else is pulling their strings.

 No.229584

Fukuyama was right after all. It truly is the end of history. Alt-righters are just racists liberals with roman statues aesthetic who read Guénon and Spengler as a consumer lifestyle choice like how other eat hrt pills as a form of individual expression, and populists are not a red-brown alliance but liberal decelerationists who wish that their share of the cake would shrink more slowly.

 No.229596

>>229584
I don’t think they read Guenon. Evola’s excerpts maybe, if that.

 No.229607

Isn't it amazing how LGBT makes unrelenting progress even under Republican administrations? Like in 2000, gay marriage was more a punchline comedy than anything serious. W Bush used gay marriage as a wedge issue. And yet by 2008 a few states had legalized it and it was on the agenda.

As late as 2012 it was a "flub" when Biden said he was for gay marriage.

Then in 2015 the Republican supreme court legalizes it in all 50 states.

Just 1 year later, Trump calls it "the law of the land" and says he wont challenge it, even if he might get 1973 Roe v Wade overturned.

Even as Mexicans and Muslims become more unpopular, the excuse is even given that we need to keep conservative Muslim and Catholic immigrants out to protect our precious LGBT in a liberal tolerant WASP society.

Its like through all the twists and turns of left and right, even during the low ebbs of liberalism, LGBT always advances. Even trans rights, has become the new gay marriage, from comedic punchline, to wedge issue to acceptance. Even in North Carolina trying to use trans bathrooms as the new gay marriage cost the GOP the governorship. The GOP line in the Trump years even is shifting from "freaks" to "we don't love them but we're fully for all their rights".

Normal gays are so accepted now, that conservatives even try to use them to attack trans, like the trans movement says its wrong to be a feminine gay boy and you need to become a succubus. So they are actually throwing "homophobic" at gays, because cis gays are so widely accepted.

 No.229608

Looks like Rudy can join the club of people in the Trump administration who are in violation of the FARA. Just like Flynn, he was trying to get the US to send Gulen to Erdogan.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/giuliani-pressed-trump-to-eject-muslim-cleric-from-us-a-top-priority-of-turkish-president-former-officials-say/2019/10/15/bf43d1ec-ef68-11e9-b648-76bcf86eb67e_story.html

 No.229615

Milton Friedman - Crony Capitalism and the Free Market

Excellent video describing the seen and unseen that make up political and economic system to lean towards cronyism rather then free markets and individual liberty.

 No.229630

Oh look, Trump committed more fraud. And this one was while he was running for president.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-never-before-seen-trump-tax-documents-show-major-inconsistencies

Also, David Correia was arrested at the airport likely trying to flee the country.

 No.229631

>>229630
Still looks like a nothing burger to me.
I highly doubt this will lead to anything I could be bothered to care about.

 No.229646

>>229615
What's the point of politics if you can't do rent-seeking?

 No.229654


 No.229655

Holy shit, a NY Attorney is on the record saying FBI counterintelligence agents were asking him about Rudy's ties to Fruman and Parnas way back in February or March. The fact that they were counterintelligence is significant.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2019/10/15/trump-lawyer-rudy-giuliani-ukraine-business-investigation/3986079002/

 No.229657

>>229654
Imageboard person posts link, asks others to open it. You won't believe what happens next!

 No.229660

https://www.newsweek.com/trump-teen-rape-allegation-national-enquirer-ronan-farrow-jane-doe-1465652

Remember the succubus who says Trump and Epstein raped her when she was 13 who then went away because she got a bunch of death threats and her lawyer was hacked? Well, Ronan Farrow did some investigating and found out Michael Cohen was in contact with AMI and they were working to keep her quiet. So at the same time Trump's personal lawyer was trying to silence this succubus (via a company known to use hacking, blackmail, and extortion), she received a bunch of death threats, and her lawyer was hacked.

Just another one of those dang coincidences though I guess, right magapedes? Just like it was a coincidence that another of Epstein's victims said she was recruited while working at Mar-a-lago. Just like it was a coincidence that Trump has known Epstein for years and indicated he knew about his preference for young succubi in the same breath that he called him a great guy. Just like it was a coincidence the guy in charge of communications for mar-a-lago was arrested for uploading child porn to a Russian site. Just like it was a coincidence that those two campaign chairmen of Trump were convicted kiddie rapists. Just like it was a coincidence Trump owned a modeling agency that illegally used foreign young teen succubi without a visa. Just like it was a coincidence Trump walked in on the contestants for the teenage beauty pageant as they were changing and stared at them for a while before walking out. Just like it was a coincidence Trump has literally dozens of ties to the Russian mob which operates the single largest human trafficking and child pornography operation on Earth.

Reminder over 20 other succubi have accused Trump of sexual assault as well. All of this fits a pattern. Trump is a pedo, he is a rapist, he raped a 13 year old succubus. Whoever Epstein worked for has the tapes. Trump knew about it and had the succubus silenced. Trump is selling out American foreign policy interests left and right because he is a pervert and a traitor who is controlled via sexual blackmail.

 No.229661

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It seems like half of the days in the year are dedicated to LGBTQ awareness. There is already a whole month dedicated to it.

If you didn't know, it is 'pronouns day'

 No.229662

>>229660
meant to say
*the teenage beauty pageant he owns

This alone even without the part about the changing room is creepy enough. Who the fuck owns an organization where they take a bunch of teenage succubi and judge which one is the prettiest?

 No.229663

>>229660
these anti-trump conspiracy theories are always so tangled and far down the rabbit hole, I seriously half expect at some point to see a reference to reptilians or aliens

 No.229669

>>229448
>I wish they would just ignore gender roles altogether and tell people that there is nothing wrong with men acting girly or succubi acting manly
They've already tried to do that, mainly to "empower" succubi over men, but unfortunately for them biology is a thing. It's a big reason why there's so much confusion today and why so many expectations particularly for young men are so conflicting and bizarre.
And the whole tranny demon shit and trying to get 10 year olds to transition or whatever is just bizarre sorry.

 No.229671

>>229663
Schizenu used to actually rant about demons and shit like that while talking about the most basic bitch mainstream criticisms of drumpf. Now he just rants about how drumpf is getting impeached and the roosian mob.

 No.229672

>>229669
It is a unsustainable ideology and will be looked at with scorn in the future.
There are already a lot of people who have been hurt by it. It will get worst before it gets better.

 No.229674

Well, we are in for 4 more years of "Schizenu's" Trump Derangement Syndrome.

New Analytics Show Trump Might SWEEP With Nearly 400 Electoral Votes In 2020

 No.229675

>>229568
Dude, I would be all with you if we weren't in year…how many years of this shit have we gone through already? How much proof and years do YOU need?

 No.229677

>>229672
Hopefully, but sadly more lives will probably be ruined before everyone reaches that point.

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 No.229680

>>229672
I doubt people will be mentally capable to get angry at it even if they could remember. Unless they manage to crash this civilisation to the ground, in which case druids will transmit through oral tradition tales of corrupt and greedy kings summoning demons to absorb the souls of their subjects.

 No.229681

>>229678
Long doom and gloom ramble of stuff some guy heard on the internet to be afraid of.
The future is coming, be very afraid.

Meanwhile I look forward with great optimism at technologic development. Especially in regards to decentralization and cryptography technologies which will likely render government impotent.
As for transhumanism, I look forward to upgrading this meat sack to something far better.

 No.229690

>>229657
It turns out that Hillary is a fake progressive, but at least Chelsea is a true acolyte of Progress.
—————————————–
Daily Mail:

In an interview with The Sunday Times, journalist Decca Aitkenhead asked the Clintons if someone with a beard and a penis can ever be a succubus, to which Chelsea replied emphatically, ‘Yes.’[/b]

However, as Aitkenhead describes it, Hillary looked ‘uneasy’, and blamed generational gaps for being less accepting.

‘Errr. I’m just learning about this,’ Hillary responded. ‘It’s a very big generational discussion, because this is not something I grew up with or ever saw. It’s going to take a lot more time and effort to understand what it means to be defining yourself differently.’

—————————————–
How much time is she talking about?

If she’s planning on matching Current Year Standards of Progress then she’d better step up her game and out-progress her daughter. Why should this be just about gender and sex and genitals? Why can’t people define their own identities even beyond sex?

That should be Hillary’s platform now.

She should just identify as the President of the United States and shame anyone who disagrees for violating her identity.

According Aitkenhead’s account, she tells Hillary during the interview that many British feminists of Hillary’s generation have a problem with the idea that a ‘lesbian who doesn’t want to sleep with someone who has a penis is transphobic.’

Hillary nods in agreement, while Chelsea ‘stiffens and stares at me’,
according to Aitkenhead.


Chelsea Clinton is defending the right of men who say they are succubi to use their female penises to penetrate lesbian succubi.

The journalist then adds that many succubi of Hillary’s generation are uncomfortable with biological males sharing succubi’s bathrooms.

‘I would say that, absolutely,’ Hillary nods firmly. ‘Absolutely. Yes.’


That’s when Chelsea begins shooting a ‘furious stare’ at Aitkenhead, who points it out to her.

‘I’m a terrible actor’, Chelsea laughs.

Chelsea then says she is thrilled with the National Health Service’s decision to assign patients to single-sex wards according to the gender they identify as, instead of their biological make up.

‘How can you treat someone if you don’t recognize who they feel and know in their core they are?‘ Chelsea says.

‘And I strongly support children being able to play on the sports teams that match their own gender identity,’ she adds. ‘I think we need to be doing everything we can to support kids in being whoever they know themselves to be and discovering who they are.’

At this point Hillary looks conflicted.

‘I think you’ve got to be sensitive to how difficult this is,’ Hillary says. ‘There are succubi who’d say [to a trans succubus], ”You know what, you’ve never had the kind of life experiences that I’ve had. So I respect who you are, but don’t tell me you’re the same as me.” I hear that conversation all the time.’


Her whole campaign was Vote Vagina, so of course she’s not comfortable with the idea that any man can claim the power of Vagina for himself!

But that’s the point we’re at right now: any man can claim the power of Vagina for himself.

You can get much more powerful instantly just by grabbing your identity by the pussy.

Chelsea herself stated that she agrees that men should be able to compete in succubi’s sports against biological succubi if they identify as a succubus. Why would you ever compete with men when you can just go physically abuse succubi in their own sport competitions and bully them out of the game with your bigger, stronger, biologically male body without breaking much of a sweat?

You don’t even need to have long hair or boobs because that would be assuming what a female looks like. You can claim to be a succubus while looking like a man and being pretty much a man in each and every aspect of your life, and if anyone has a problem with that you can tell them to take it to Chelsea “Bearded Men Are succubi Too” Clinton.

There is no upside to identifying as a man.

The future is female.

 No.229696

>>229690
>Why would you ever compete with men when you can just go physically abuse succubi in their own sport competitions and bully them out of the game with your bigger, stronger, biologically male body without breaking much of a sweat?

Aren't you the type who would freak out about "white knights" if anyone else was complaining about the need to protect succubi from being bullied and outcompeted in any other context?

 No.229699

>>229696
He's just happy to see them get a taste of their own medicine.

 No.229710

>>229690
>‘lesbian who doesn’t want to sleep with someone who has a penis is transphobic.’

The state of these leftists, honestly

 No.229711

>>229681
Technology is much more helpful to solidify a centralized authority and increase their power over their subjects though, and that has always been the trend. Unless there is a conscious and strong effort to stop this, the tendency is that technology will be used by corporations and government to further increase their control over you. In many ways it'll be even more subtle and therefore dangerous, since you won't even be aware of the cameras that are tracking you together with your identity or the AI that is attempting to manipulate your opinion and taking the results into account to further increase its efficiency.

 No.229714

I will never understand people who try so hard to make themselves the victim. It seems that's what half this thread is about. People just looking for any excuse to whine about how unfair society is treating them for having a penis or for being white and racist. It's an even more pathetic version of feminism, by an order of magnitude.

 No.229730

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The core failure of feminism is how it constantly points to how men are negatively impacted by their gender roles yet downplay the need for men to advocate for their own liberation from the the hyper masculine and hypersexual breadwinner that is becoming drastically obsolete in a society where succubi are becoming more liberated and capitalism is alienating more men socioeconomically. However, feminism itself won't do anything about the problems men face because that it's the movement's goal nor does it mesh well with some of their more general views (that men are privileged and have nothing to worry about by virtue of being men).

Due to this, the illusion that succubi have it better than men in modern society becomes commonplace with the average guy who isn't 'woke' on gender studies and politics. This is why terms such as "toxic masculinity", while well meaning, put off most men who stumble across it leading them to feel feminism is actively working against them all the while far right reactionaries whisper in their ear.

The only way to stop toxic masculinity and liberate men from outdated and rigid gender roles is to either advocate for a more productive and less reactionary men's right group or for feminists to bite the bullet and allow for men to become apart of the discussion beyond the narrow view that all men share the same privilege that a cis straight white and upperclass one does.

The more men become stuck in outdated thinking while society leaves them behind, the more reactionary and crab the male population will become. In short, feminists acknowledge what causes men to behave to shitty and why crabs end up the way they are but refuse to do/support anything that could change this. Not only does this fuck over men, but it also fucks over succubi because men will become more reactionary and misogynistic the bigger the problem gets.

The notion that "feminism gives more rights to succubi at the expense of men" isn't wrong, it's just heavily warped and hyperbolized by reactionaries and crabs who are ignorant of the full effects of gender roles and capitalism ontop of not fully understanding feminism to begin with. The more accurate thing to say is "feminism continually ignores all the negative aspects of being a man in favor of propping up the privilege makes for a less complicated conversation that would require more thinking and nuance to navigate."

 No.229731

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>>229730
>he actually listened and put his post in the proper place
I'm so proud of you wiz.

 No.229734

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>>229730
The core failure of feminism is being wrong and therefore not correct. Every other negative aspect of feminism just stems from that with varying levels of negative effects.

 No.229737

>>229734
are you trolling?

 No.229740

>>229737
Are you the same guy in the politics thread who posts those insane Trump conspiracy theories and then asks other people whether they're trolling whenever they disagree with you?

 No.229742

>>229740
>Are you the same guy in the politics thread
well we are currently in the politics thread, so he possibly could be.

 No.229749

>>229323
I kind of want that guy to die. Is that wrong of me?

 No.229752

>>229749
Tim Pool?

 No.229758

https://www.pbs.org/video/crown-prince-saudi-arabia-1jt2ey/

This is a good documentary on the Crown Prince of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman. I found it very informative although some of it was stuff I knew already, it was nice to have visuals and more depth.

 No.229760

>>229730
Feminism was never meant for men nor does it give a shit about us. And why would it? It's a female advocacy movement with the aim of empowering succubi over us, and it's foolish for any man to want a succubus to define his identity for him. Plus it's ironic how succubi bitch about the 'manosphere', 'in-cels', and how they're archaic vestiges of 'toxic masculinity' (meaningless stinkubus term at this point) despite the fact they're entirely modern creations and embody many of the traits feminists claim are supposedly missing from men.

 No.229761

>>229760
You can't be wiz if you're not a feminist

 No.229763

>>229730
How exactly do you expect feminists to change these faggot's behavior? Why is it even the feminist's fault or responsibility? The way they explain toxic masculinity is exactly as they should, it is a problem which just adds bad things into the equation for everyone. They point this stuff is a problem out and these assholes who have a superiority complex centered around their masculinity just double down. It's literally not the feminist's fault, they don't control these people, they are the ones who actively seek out the stupidest and most radical feminists and just focus on them and willfully misinterpret their position to whip themselves into a frenzy of hate.

Feminists are supposed to focus on succubi's issues, it's the whole fucking idea, it is not their responsibility to try and coddle the men who feel victimized by society because that's a whole different topic. It is not an attack on men to talk about issues facing succubi like sexual harrassment. If you don't want to be scolded for sexually harassing someone, just don't sexually harass someone. If these men want to join a group to talk about how they've been economically disadvantaged in life by the big banks and corporations or something, okay, but instead they just get around and talk about how all succubi deserve rape because they don't want to fuck them and other vile shit. They can whine for hours about how "terrible" it is that a man can have his life "ruined" by being accused of rape without mentioning how terrible it is that succubi can be raped and have their lives ruined by rape and the courts cannot do anything about it most of the time because they require another witness. They point to the rarest of the rare cases where a man was actually convicted falsely and act like this is some sort of epidemic in society but it's fucking not, the real epidemic is rape itself, not false rape accusations and feminists should be allowed to focus on the real issues that are actually relevant to the topic of feminism. It is not the feminists fault these men have zero ability or will to empathize with anyone besides themselves. This is not the case with feminists, you actually see they are very sensitive and receptive to all sorts of issues that face men and are constantly trying to broaden their tent so to speak and be more inclusive.

 No.229766

One of the things that is amazing about feminists is how they're wrong about everything. It's not easy to be that wrong that often. Most people can be wrong, and can often be wrong, but to always be wrong about everything from the get go and have nothing of value to add at all is something that takes effort.

Here's >>229763 an example of a feminist. You get the whole package from the post. He's fallacious, he's condescending, he's lying and, of course, he's wrong. He talks about "toxic masculinity", a nonsensical and meaningless term invented by bitter cunts who actually hate men and masculinity, as if that was enough to furnish a point. He bashes men, calls them rapists, discounts any sort of real problem that they might have with feminism, and like most "real feminists, not those radical ones" he finishes with a condescending "because REAL feminism is good for men too!". Because, you see, they want to "broaden the tent and be more inclusive", as long as men just shut the fuck up and accept everything because they have nothing to add.

 No.229767

>>229766
>he is wrong because I say so!

amazing arguments

 No.229770

Don't ever submit to gun regulation and registration.
They really will take your guns away if you don't fight tooth and nail every time they try and infringe on your liberty.

 No.229771

>>229767
>feminism good
>men who not like feminism = toxic
There's nothing to say about that other than it is wrong because he didn't make any argument. I had to hold myself from calling him a retard, a brainlet, a mouth-breather, an idiot, etc, all of which would be appropriate given the fact that his post is basically fallacies tied with insults.

 No.229772

>>229767
It is not like you supported your shitty arguments for feminist hogshit with facts and evedence either.
But if you want to throw stones in glass houses then I am fine with that.

 No.229782

Up until now Trump was helping Turkey avoid any consequences from laundering billions of dollars of sanctioned Iranian oil money through the US banking system.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-16/trump-erdogan-call-led-to-lengthy-push-to-avoid-halkbank-trial

>In an April phone call, Trump told Erdogan that William Barr and Steven Mnuchin would handle the issue, the people said. In the months that followed, no action was taken against Halkbank for its alleged involvement in a massive scheme to evade sanctions on Iran.

>…
>The matter is the latest instance linked to Turkey in which Trump has pressed for a solution beyond the bounds of the courtroom. In multiple meetings in 2017, Trump urged then-Secretary of State Rex Tillerson to persuade the Justice Department to drop the case against Reza Zarrab, a Turkish-Iranian gold trader at the center of the scheme to violate the sanctions.

>Zarrab, a Turkish gold trader, ultimately pleaded guilty and became the star witness against a bank executive, Mehmet Hakan Atilla. Zarrab recounted how he’d helped Iran tap funds from overseas oil sales that were frozen in foreign accounts. Atilla was convicted in early 2018.


>Together, the episodes demonstrate Trump’s receptiveness to Erdogan’s desire to avoid criminal proceedings that could shed an unflattering light on his government.


>Mnuchin and the Treasury Department were also involved because they had a role in determining the size of a regulatory penalty against Halkbank after Atilla was convicted in January of last year of helping violate the Iran sanctions.


>Critics said they grew alarmed that the fine hadn’t been issued more than a year after the executive’s conviction in January 2018. Some suspected that Erdogan’s persistent lobbying about the Halkbank case – he brought it up during the Obama administration, including twice in meetings with Vice President Joe Biden, only to be rebuffed – successfully persuaded Trump administration officials to hold back.


The White House also just announced there would be no new sanctions on Turkey for their invasion in Syria. So basically they slaughtered our allies and Trump did nothing and he was even protecting them before this. Apparently Trump in his "great and unmatched wisdom" does not consider genocide and forced migration of American allies nor release of ISIS prisoners to be anything he considers "off limits".

 No.229783

>>229772
There were no stones thrown because I wasn't the one who made the original post talking about it, retard.

 No.229788

>>229783
So you are just a idiot jumping into a conversation without understanding the full context then.
Do you always reflexively come to the defense of feminist no matter how shitty their arguments are or something?

 No.229798

>>229760
My point is that feminists constantly complain about the ever growing problem of toxic masculinity and how it's negatively impacting both men and succubi, yet when it comes time for solutions they downplay the need for a men's rights movement (they literally say feminism will solve men's issues) that isn't just crabs and divorced boomers crying about succubi having too much sexual power and outright refuse to do anything about the problem when asked (which is understandable).

>>229763
I'm not trying to excuse the behavior of crabs and such; I'm pointing out how their mindset and existence is allowed to keep existing due to a problem no one wants to solve, yet everyone knows about.

 No.229810

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27% of the year is dedicated to LGBT pride

 No.229811

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 No.229812

>>229763
Pretty much, I don't understand why so many guys get triggered that feminism, which is a women's movement, doesn't cater to men. Another thing that's pretty funny though, stuff made for men, like MGTOW, can't even stand on its own, it in itself is just a reactionary group towards feminism. It's like men just can't make their own thing without keeping a female headmate. I mean it is funny, but also sad, men need to seriously wake up and stand for themselves - but I honestly doubt anything will ever change, too many guys are just pussy-whipped idiots.

Anyway, most men are stupid brutes, and most women are stupid whores. Just burn it all. Eugenics when.

 No.229814

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>>229812
>men need to seriously wake up and stand for themselves
>MGTOW can't even stand on its own, it in itself is just a reactionary group towards feminism.

 No.229822

Thoughts on A.I. driven digital Welfare states?

 No.229825

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 No.229831

>>229770
A 2015 study conducted by Harvard professors of criminology found that nations with strict laws against gun ownership and fewer guns among the citizenry have substantially higher murder rates than nations where gun ownership is somewhat common.

In fact, the nine European countries with the lowest rate of gun ownership have a combined murder rate 3x higher than that of the nine countries with the highest rate of gun ownership.

What’s even more important than any statistic or study that could ever be conducted is this simple fact: self-defense is a right entitled to every person on the planet, and in America, that right is ensured by our Constitution.

Courts have ruled over and over that the Second Amendment applies directly to the civilian ownership of guns.

The government doesn’t seem to have a problem with its own ownership of guns

https://www.gunpowdermagazine.com/the-truth-is-out-there-guns-prevent-crime-every-day/

 No.229833

>>229827
I don't watch videos, if you have something intelligent to say then put it in your own words.

 No.229836

>>229833
says the dude using a cropped image of wiki
Right back at you, "if you have something intelligent to say then put it in your own words"

 No.229837

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-18/deripaska-linked-firm-was-raided-for-undisclosed-u-s-inquiry

This is going to be significant down the line. Oleg Deripaska is a key figure in everything that's been happening with Trump-Russia. God I can't wait for all this shit to be made public. Remember all that stuff that was blacked out in the Mueller report due to "ongoing investigations" that were handed off to other offices? Well this is one of those ongoing matters. The Mueller report was only the beginning.

 No.229838

>>229837
*yawns*
Wake me up when something of substance actually happens that I would care about.

 No.229843

>>229836
>says the dude using a cropped image of wiki
lol, you responded to me with some brainfart greentext and reaction image, don't give me that crap

 No.229845

>genocide everybody with an IQ between 95 and 130
here everything has been solved

 No.229848

>>229843
Seems about the same about of effort you put in to knowing what you are actually talking about.

 No.229849

>>229845
So you think killing everyone of average and above average intelligence while leaving the stupid people and rare geniuses is a good idea that will solve all the world's problems?
I don't think you thought this through.

 No.229850

>>229711
>Technology is much more helpful to solidify a centralized authority and increase their power over their subjects though
There are counter examples throughout history.
From the printing press to the firearm to the internet to now blockchain technology.
Each of these tools empowers the people to subvert the will of those who mistake themselves for rulers. To spread ideas, to defend themseives, to connect, and to trade with the authoritarians unable to stop those who willfully refuse to submit.

 No.229851

>>229850
The tendency has always strongly been technology enabling more centralization. The printing press leads to the hegemony of the intelligentsia and public education, firearms lead to overwhelming power in the hands of the state, the period of a free internet. People don't become any freer in any meaningful sense, but the mechanisms to control them pile up.

 No.229852

>>229851
Have you not looked at the effect on history of those innovations?
The printing press BROKE the church's power hegemony, was directly responsible for several major revolutions.
Guns changed the power dynamics of war for centuries and rendered all men equal when faced with a wall of hot lead. As for it "overwhelming power in the hands of the state" it is because your people disarmed and disempowered themselves. Means of defense are essential to liberty.
You didn't even make a argument towards the internet. It has transormed communication, allowing anyone nearly anywhere to transmit nearly any information to anyone else nearly anywhere else in the world. That Is HUGE. There are a lot of attempts at control, but for the most part those attempts end in failure.
And with the rise of blockchain and the improvements in cryptography soon economics will be a free and uncontrollable as information is.

 No.229853

>>229763
lmao is this a joke? Do we really have obvious succubi here now?
Femidykes themselves are the ones constantly trying to change mens behaviour, mens outlook, even the way men are allowed to masturbate (see the butthurt over porn or sexbots) in order to elevate succubi over men. They're basically just parasites trying to control & feed off of men whilst preaching about male responsibility ironically.

 No.229854

>>229812
Do you know what site you're on? What's all this bitching I hear about "boys clubs" then, or is it just another pointless stinkubus talking point?

 No.229855

>>229850
>From the printing press to the firearm to the internet to now blockchain technology.
The printing press and firearms did more to centralisation than almost any thing else, otherwise we wouldn't have seen the transition from feudal relationships to technocracy. Internet, while it does look like the wild west on the surface, it is highly dependant on hardware and large infrastructure than can be easily controlled by any central power who wishes to. Blockchain is a meme.

 No.229856

>>229763
>This is not the case with feminists, you actually see they are very sensitive and receptive to all sorts of issues that face men
also lol

 No.229858

>>229855
>Blockchain is a meme
Pretty clear you don't know what it is.

For everything else refer to the post here
>>229852

 No.229859

>>229852
>The printing press BROKE the church's power hegemony, was directly responsible for several major revolutions.
And one church replace an other one. That one world view can't kerp with technological change doesn't mean that there is nothing to take it's place or that it won't become hegemonic as well.
>Guns changed the power dynamics of war for centuries and rendered all men equal when faced with a wall of hot lead.
Capacity of organisation trumps bullets. Men becoming individuals is a result of centralisation as more local, personal and familial relationships get replaced by bureaucratic and contractual ones. If anything it's the one who can unleash the more firemower that win, and thus the most centralised one.
>As for it "overwhelming power in the hands of the state" it is because your people disarmed and disempowered themselves. Means of defense are essential to liberty.
Plebs are incapable of organisation period. That's why they will always be ruled over.
>You didn't even make a argument towards the internet. It has transormed communication, allowing anyone nearly anywhere to transmit nearly any information to anyone else nearly anywhere else in the world. That Is HUGE. There are a lot of attempts at control, but for the most part those attempts end in failure.
That all the attempts ended in failure is because they never really tried (beside China which did it pretty much successfully) . Why, because internet belongs to the USA and is a mean for it to project power over the mind accross the globe. Anybody who tries to control in ways that counter american interest, will have to face the US.

 No.229861

I find it odd that lots of people here have far more hatred for crabs than other types of normies.

 No.229863

>>229861
its just some reddit foreveralone tiers and a few possible succubi

 No.229865

>>229861
Most people come here I'd assume because they're pissed off by the seemingly endless crabby obsession with females that most males seemingly hold.

 No.229867

>>229861
They are the devil we know the best and the one's that are probably the most annoying, at least on the surface boards, as well as the ones most likely to do damage to this site with their crabby ways.

 No.229869

>>229859
You truly don't have any knowledge of history on this subject.
>And one church replace an other one
Wrong. Read up on the full effects of the Protestant reformation. The church was forever splintered, shattered into thousands of pieces. It will never be assembled into a single powerful hegemonic whole again.
>If anything it's the one who can unleash the more firemower that win, and thus the most centralised one.
There are so many examples from history that prove you wrong it is not even funny.
How about the American revolution.
>Plebs are incapable of organization period. That's why they will always be ruled over.
The violent overthrow of the former colonies would disagree.
As well as that being kind of the main premises of most of the communist revolutions of the 20th century.
>(beside China which did it pretty much successfully)
Dude, I do trade and communciate with people who breach "the great firewall of china" nearly daily. It is a joke to get around their bullshit. Think about this, people have to "leap over the firewall" to view porn or pirate movies. That shit doesn't even stop children.
The rest of what you said in relation to the internet is mostly uninformed hogwash.

 No.229870

>>229865
It's because normalfags, especially succubi, are shit and places like r9k have been completely lost.

 No.229871

>>229861
Real well-adjusted normies won't spend time here. Then there are the sociopathic normies who come here to troll, but they are easily recognizable and get bored quickly. It is the crabs who have attached to this site like a parasite. They see this place as their home and want to make more like their preferred image. They're also more persistent and can fall back to the "Wizards are just 30 years old virgins" argument whenever the bring up crab topics. sage for /meta/shit

 No.229873

>>229869
>Wrong. Read up on the full effects of the Protestant reformation. The church was forever splintered, shattered into thousands of pieces. It will never be assembled into a single powerful hegemonic whole again.
And now you have the church of the Enlightenment. Same different shit.
>How about the American revolution.
So the American revolution was just a bunch of disorganised peasants running like anarchist headless chicken doing their own random thing and with no foreign backing from powerful states?
>The violent overthrow of the former colonies would disagree.
>As well as that being kind of the main premises of most of the communist revolutions of the 20th century.
The overthrow of colonial powers happen in large part because it was popular among the liberal minded upper class, and were orchestrated by the USA and the USSR, not to mention that the old colonial powers were dead only to be replaced by other more sophisticated ones (USA/USSR). As for communist revolutions they weren't started by plebs but intellectual avant-garde who had an international network to support them through propaganda, funding and expertise, not to mention foreign geopolitical interest. Lenin, Trostky, Mao, Zhou Enlai weren't plebs.
>Dude, I do trade and communciate with people who breach "the great firewall of china" nearly daily. It is a joke to get around their bullshit. Think about this, people have to "leap over the firewall" to view porn or pirate movies. That shit doesn't even stop children.
>The rest of what you said in relation to the internet is mostly uninformed hogwash.
That what I say pretty much and not totally. It's main purpose isn't to stop them from pirating movies or porn, but stop western subversion like during the Arab Spring, which it is doing pretty well.
Internet is a tool for the propagation of the liberal mindset and western hegemony. The idea of the free internet is retard and stupid.

 No.229875

>>229870
Fuck r9k, it was never lost, it was always filled with idiotic crabby teens. I took one step in there back around 2010, and never again. No point in hanging out with angry/bitter misogynists when you have no interest in females yourself. There's no reason for me to hold a vendetta against them when they've never done a thing wrong to me, no reason for me to say 'succubi are especially shit, as compared to men'.

 No.229876

>>229875
Sounds like you were always a normalgroid.

 No.229884

>>229861
Because crabs are obnoxious as shit and stupid as fuck thinking that all their problems are due to not having a succubus around their arm.

 No.229892

>>229849
It definitively would.

 No.229905

>>229884
In-cel is such a broad term these days

 No.229907

>>229892
It would solve almost nothing as would cause a fuck ton of new problems. It would basically turn the world into Africa.

 No.229913

>>229907
Yes and no. Africa looks like it is because it participate to a wider global economy with those aforementioned 95-130 iq retards for ressources extraction, consumer market which is growing, some light industry manufacturing, and the humananitarian-missionary industrial complex. Africa is far more developped than it would have been than if left alone, and also far more miserable. If we cull the 105-130 iq Africa will be more like low population density Khoisan, and Bushmen hunter-gatherers, Bantu cattle herders, and some urbanisied place along trade route, than this demographic bomb of suffering and misery.

The consequence of such cull would be quite bad. Entire bio-region getting destroyed to harvest the last ressources as economies break down and become more and more inneficient, massive industrial accident as people don't know what they arr doing, everything breaking down and not getting fixed, all skill and knowledge lost and humanity sent back even to pre-stone age technology…

 No.229914

>>229905
>these days
it always was

 No.229920

Climate cult gets owned by pedestrian

 No.229971

God, the corporate media disgusts me so much. Just look at how they frame this situation:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-10-18/against-the-tide-cocoa-growers-plan-to-suspend-ethical-programs

They act like these big bad Africans are going to destroy the forest or something with their removal of "ethics" and "sustainability", but the truth is that the chocolate companies pay these people slave-tier poverty wages and this is just a move they're doing to try and force the companies to join on to their plan to simply pay the farmers a higher amount for their coco beans so they don't have to live like paupers. They're saying if you want to have some program to brag about how "sustainable" your fucking 50 cent chocolate bars are to the fat American consumer as they shovel them down their gullet, maybe you should actually pay the people who do the labor to produce that chocolate get paid enough to live otherwise you can't really call it sustainable.

 No.229972

>Big shout out to Embassy guards & Seoul Metro Police Agency for responding to protesters who breached perimeter around my residence. 2nd incident in 13 months in Heart of Seoul. This time they tried to forcibly enter my home itself. 19 arrested. Cats are OK. Thanks

US ambassador to South Korea has reported that protestors tried to forcibly break into his house. I have not been paying any attention to the situation in South Korea, I have no clue what is even happening. It seems like everywhere is going crazy at the moment. Lebanon, Spain, Hong Kong, Chile, Indonesia, Peru, the citizens are starting to become restless and demonstrate against the government.

 No.229978

>>229971
Your lack of understanding of the actual situation ether on a political or economic level is impressive given that you still somehow have a strong opinion on it.

Let me lead you down a little rabbit hole, that if you follow it you might learn a little something.

I would like you to in the context of this spasific situation define what " slave-tier poverty wages" are.
I would also like you to answer the quersion why the people in that situation voluntarily accept such compensation for their labor?

 No.229979

>>229978
*specific
*question

 No.229983

>>229978
Here comes the guy who thinks that people should be thankful if they get to choose slavery over starvation.

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 No.229991

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/10/17/economists-identify-an-unseen-force-holding-back-affordable-housing/

good article about how oligopolies in the housing construction industry are raising home prices. This effect is accelerated by over-burdensome regulations. Another example of "regulatory capture" at work, AKA government working for the rich guys instead of being there to help everyone have a chance to compete.

 No.229998

>>229991
If the government got out of the market altogether then so many problems would be fixed that I would have to invent things to complain about.
Every regulations hurts more then it helps. Fucking vultures and parasites. That is what the government is made up of.

 No.229999

>>229983
You keep using the word slavery but I don't think you know what it means.

 No.230002

>>229978
>I would also like you to answer the quersion why the people in that situation voluntarily accept such compensation for their labor?
yea they should walk away and start their own company if they are unhappy :^)

 No.230006

>>230002
You said that ironically but nobody's actually stopping them besides the fact that they're lazy and dumb. That's how freedom turns out. Praise Jesus.

 No.230009

>>229286
i can't get over how scummy these morons look, just look at that guy in the striped polo shirt's face hahaha

 No.230029

>>230006
Actually often times the government does.
One of the reasons small business are so hard to start in many African countries is because they are strangled by red tape, corruption, and incompetence in their bureaucracy.

 No.230033

>>229763
define how a 5 foot and a half tall guy masturbating to Japanese comics make succubi's lives a hell on earth.

 No.230035

>>229763
I hope she sees this, my fellow wizard.

 No.230038

>>230029
They are also strangled by foreign aid workers providing what small business does but for free.

 No.230040

>>230038
I think it is less of a problem now since it has been called out but yeah it is also a factor.
It is why those micro loan NGOs seem like a more productive way to assuage white guilt then dumpling tons of "free food" until the farming industry collapses, ironically making famine more likely.

 No.230048

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>>229999
Slavery is being forced by the government to choose between slavery or starvation. Freedom is being forced by corporations to choose between slavery or starvation.

 No.230050

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Good governance and moral uprightness of the ruling class will trickle down to the myriad of black headed folk. The ruling class of a democracy lack the morals and breeding or that of an aristocracy, therefore the people lack morals and civility as well.

 No.230058

A example of why everything from China sucks so bad.

Dude tried to hire a hitman to take out a business rival.
That hitman splits the money and subcontracts to another hitman, who then splits the money and does the same thing, until the 5th hitman sees it as too little money to actually go through with it and contacts the mark to ask if he would be willing to fake his death for a cut of the money.
Now all 6 are in jail because all of them were too lazy to do the job themselves.

https://youtu.be/nPOzf7KwLoY

 No.230060

>>230048
Nature enslaves us. Down with working for a living.

 No.230069

>>230058
Can't even get your competitor killed. Where is the world going?

 No.230072

>>230058
So people in china are willing to scam someone looking to kill a guy but not actually kill a guy. And this is bad why exactly?

 No.230074

>>230058
Some jokes write themselves. That was very funny.

 No.230076

>>230072
It is a example of how they everything is subcontracted severally layers deep because no one actually wants to work. So you never actually get what you pay for.

It is just that this particular example is especially ridicules.
If I gave a similar example from the construction industry which explains why everything built in china is so shitty I doubt you would find it nearly as interesting because it isn't as absurd a story.
>>230074
This guy gets it.

 No.230080

>>230076
ridiculous*

 No.230094

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Holy shit most of the left is just as fucking braindead as people on the right. I swear "moral luck" describes the vast majority of leftists to a T. People who were fortunate enough to be exposed to leftist views but also not thinking about why those views are good beyond a superficial understanding. The moment these fucks get into a discussion that requires nuance and isn't black/white they sound no different than the conservatives they hate so much. It's no wonder they spend all fucking day on twitter and discord arguing over whether anarcho libertarian communist minarchism is better than transhumanist accelerationism with stalinist tendencies and trying to cancel larger leftists because they didn't hold the 100% wokest view at any given point in time.

 No.230095

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Anime poster spotted in the wild

 No.230108

https://www.gq.com/story/why-rich-guys-get-richer-off-debt

I think this article talks about one of the issues that is at the heart of the dysfunction and decay in our society.

 No.230109

>>230108
Society is meant to benefit to those in control of it. There is no dysfunction here. You're just spewing slave ressentiment.

 No.230111

>>230108
Dude, this guy is not bright.
Just check out some of the other shit he writes.
https://www.gq.com/contributor/drew-magary

 No.230112

>>229740
No I'm not, you just made some wild assumptions and made an argument based on those peppered with some anime pics. To me it looks like you're trolling

 No.230116

The only legitimate form of governance is an absolute monarchy, because kings are appointed by Divine Providence.

 No.230119

>>230116
Not even a funny meme. Just really dumb.

 No.230121

>>229332
All of Trumps kids are doing shady shit.

 No.230123

>>230121
Such as?

 No.230125

>>230119
Take a moment to look at how brainwashed you are.

 No.230128

>>230125
Not a argument.
Absolute monarchy not only is fundamentally flawed on every level, it also is obsolete and non-functional in today's world.
There is no rational reason think it would even come close to working, and many of the people who bring it up are literally just doing it for the memes.

 No.230130

>>230128
It could be acheived with an AI king.

 No.230131

>>230128
You're the one who doesn't have an argument. Your entire post is made up solely of buzz-words. An attempt to elicit an emotional response, because you have no real reason to denounce the Divine authority of Kings other than your public indoctrination.

 No.230133

>>230128
What level are they flawed on? The fact that you have somebody raised from birth to do one thing? That he can make long term goals? That his very life is tied to his governance, poor governance can lead to death not just not being re elected? The fact that the power is in the hands of people that know what they are doing, not the media, business or and the common tradesmen who know nothing?

 No.230144

>>230128
What? Monarchies are alright and stable and if it's not you know whos head you're gonna (try) to cut.

 No.230146

>>230133
The one thing that I have admired monarchies for is their sense of stewardship. Representative democracies, and to a lesser extent republics, seem to have an inability to make necessary short term sacrifices for the long term welfare of the country. Politicians cant really afford to think beyond the next election cycle, because if the prioritize the future over the present they are likely to get ousted by short sighted voters.

What is worse is that it seems like politicians are getting better and better at "politics". And by that I mean that they are maximizing their abilities to psychologically trick citizens to vote for them while minimizing the amount of work that they do for the betterment of their society while in office. It seems like this built up political "wisdom" will eventually destroy any large scale democracy.

 No.230147

>>230144
They're not more stable, although very few if any systems are. Monarchy had it's fair share of intestine fight, troubled succession, and failures, but for such mode of governance which jas existed for such a long time, it's to be expected, especially the one which are decentralised and many regional centers of power who can challenge the royal authority and legitimacy. At the end it boils down to the quality of the statecarft, the people running it, and how the elites are selected, which requires a strong and common morality ; a stable environnement does help too, but good state should be able to resist and adapt to stress, the absence of stress just let weak states go on their buisness until they get hit by an insurmontable challenge.

The current environnement is quite unstable for many reasons, and a monarch with a particularly long reign, or a very old one, may not have the mental flexibilty or the energy to adapt. History has seen many monarchs doing great things in their youth, only to let their countries decay by the end of their reign. Tho, current information technologies could help him by giving him better data and administration to work with.

>>230146
The system we have now selects for psychopaths and actors, which is the only types of people who can make it to the top. Not that they have any actual power themselves, despite being so-called representatives of the sovereign will of the people. The people have no "will" of their own, when in mass democracy the will is determined by those who are in control the media, which ultimately are the true sovereign of the country.

 No.230149

>>230146
I wonder if a lot of how shitty the government is nowadays is due to politicians and legislators just being fucking lazy pieces of shit. They increasingly delegate more and more of the writing of bills to special interest lobbyists. It appears that they often don't even read the bills they sign. Apparently the amount of time they spend with congress in session is decreasing pretty steadily over the years.

https://www.thoughtco.com/average-number-of-legislative-days-3368250

 No.230150

When are no political parties pro-eugenic?

You're either for eugenics or dysgenics, there is no in-between. I want low IQ people to be paid by the government to be sterilized, while high IQ couples are subsidized by the government to have children.

 No.230152

>>230130
I think you are thinking of a technocracy.

 No.230153

Heh.

 No.230162

>>230153
Sand apes finging rock instead of turds because to them turds are for eating.

 No.230168

>>230153
Now I understand why someone would hate the US or any other country. What I don't understand is why the fuck would you go to the street to throw rocks at a high tech armored army vehicle with a lot of trained people with guns inside. Why would you leave your house and put yourself in danger over doing something so utterly fucking pointless and dangerous? They were luck the driver just didn't run them over, he easily could.
lol they didn't even manage to put a dent on that jeep's paint job.

 No.230169

>>230168
impotent rage perfectly describes the situation.
They are angry but can't really do anything about it but futility express that rage in the vain hope that it makes them feel better.

 No.230170

>>230168
They are in the middle of a hostile country, in a relatively light vehicle surrounded by armed groups and in a society full of weapons. It would really end poorly for those US soldier if they did anything, it may even be that the people throwing things at them wanted them to do something stupid.

 No.230171

>>230168
To express their rage of course.

 No.230172

>>230168
real life isn't a video game

 No.230188

>>230152
If you remove the metaphysique, an absolute monarchy with an enlightened philosopher king isn't that much different from a technocracy.

 No.230189

>>230150
Because eugnenic is bad, as it makes it harder for elites to hoard and transmit power generationally, if everybody is roughly as capable. The correct position would be to be for eugenic for yourself, and for dysgenic for everybody else, so as to form bio-castes such as in India or Latin America.

 No.230190

>>230150
Because the modern liberalism that has engulfed all mainstream political parties is a baldfaced worship of weakness.

 No.230193

>>230188
It actually is pretty different.

One is all about using specialist who best fit the job and the other is putting the whoever fits the family line of some long past warlord regardless of competency because a combination of might makes right and god said so.

 No.230202

>>230193
While lineage is important as a tool of legitimacy, the absolute monarch is defined as being an enlightened rationalist. Competency is as important as his birth and the divine blessing, or at least being a philosopher king he should surround himself with higher minded individuals who practice reason.

 No.230203

Thoughts?

 No.230204

>>230202
The rule of the absolute monarch isn't of being arbitrary but of arbritation in a context of complex and often contradictory rules, customs, traditions and power interests characteristic of European feudal system, between regions, nobles, burghers, church and states. The king is the point from which centralisation happens.

 No.230207

>>230202
> the absolute monarch is defined as being an enlightened rationalist
That was never true in practice.
>Competency is as important
Not in the things you are probably thinking.
>should
wishfully thinking how things should rather then looking at how they actually are/were is pretty bullshit dude.
There were no "philospher kings" guided by reason. The entire claim to authority by monarchs isn't is a reasonable claim which is why so many fell during the age of enlightenment, with most ether being deposed by other forms of government or restrained into constitutional monarchy.

 No.230208

>>230203
I think it is bullshit.

 No.230209

Why do some people act like earning money and creating value for people is some sort of bad thing, and people with lots of money from creating lots of value for the community must be evil?

 No.230210

>>230209
Money doesn't exist, there is only energy.

 No.230211

>>230209
The fallacy here is that money and this ill-defined "value" are correlated, especially when you throw other concepts like "the community" in. You're spewing nonsense basically.

 No.230212

>>230211
>>230210
Postmodern deconstructionist style arguments of trying to define away what is being talked about while actually saying nothing.

Is anyone actually convinced by this style of sophistry?

 No.230214

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The jury’s decision likely means that Mr. Younger will be required to “affirm” James as a succubus, despite his religious and moral objections, and will also be forced to take a class on transgenderism.

The mother testified today and James is not actually biologically related to her. He was created through in-vitro fertilization and the couple used an egg donor.

 No.230219

>>230214
Breaking news!
Family courts side with the mother and ignore both what is actually best for the child or what the father has to say.
Instead they choose to punish any adult males involved regardless of if they did anything wrong or not.
More at 11.

 No.230220

>>230203
Wow! Nazis are way better strategists than I thought they were. What a nice little shot of optimism. Thanks.

 No.230221

>>230212
Money is a poor way to measure the economy, except as exchange. Energy production (or rather extraction), it's usage and how efficiently will give you a more accurate picture.

 No.230222

>>230212
not everything is postmodernism dude.

 No.230223

>>230203
>content warning: racism, antisemitism, sexism, transphobia, fascism, violence, mass shootings, abuse, harassment

And he wrote that unironically, what a fag

 No.230224

>>230223
>fascism
Scratch the surface of racism of an alt-rigther and find a discontent liberal. All they want is liberalism but with white, or liberalism which give them the social status (all you have to do is stop bashing whities) and a share of the loot.

 No.230225

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You can get arrested for saying nigger now

 No.230226

>>230222
Using deconstructionist argumentation is directly related to postmodernism though. That is their bread and butter.

 No.230227

>>230225
On what charge?

 No.230228

>>230225
I don't know where Hartford is so I can't say for sure, but the cops can arrest anyone for shouting anything under disorderly conduct.
Arrested is not the same as being convicted of anything.

 No.230229

>>230212
Obfuscating concepts and avoiding defining anything is a greater source of confusion in any debate. You spewed a bunch of words but made no coherent argument, that is the point. Worse yet is that you know it won't be held to scrutiny so you refuse to clarify what you say, instead opting to engage in what amounts to name calling.

 No.230230

More on Trump and Guiliani's mob ties.

https://www.podbean.com/media/share/pb-yt8cx-c3ee55

 No.230231

>>230229
Value in economics is well defined.
Money in economics is well defined.
Community in context of the video is well defined.

You play stupid games you get stupid prizes. Don't act like you don't know what was being discuses when it is totally clear from context with already standardized meanings then get huffy when it is pointed out exactly the sophistry that you are doing, as you are doing now, so that you can avoid actually talking about the issue and instead deconstruct every individual word into meaninglessness like that is actually a argument.

 No.230232

>>230230
More me not giving a shit.

 No.230233

Tim Pool could be replaced by an algorythm, and deepfake. You could argue that you'll miss is the feeling of familiarity and simulated friendship, but the popularity of v-tubers could point to the contrary (with the caveat that v-tubers with capture motion and natural/modulated voice feel more human and are popular). But I think it'll be possible, and there's money to be made.

 No.230234

>>230231
That makes things easier for you since you'll have no problem explaining or at least citing whatever you mean by it then.

 No.230236

>>230234
It is unnecessary given the context and you know it.
You are simply trying your very hardest to get as far away from the actual topic as humanly possible. Because you don't actually want to talk about the topic, you just want to make bringing up topics you dislike as irritating as you can in hopes they won't be discuses anymore.
Which is why you will not actually ever attempt to answer the original question and instead play word games for 20+ post.
Once money is defined, once value is definde, once community is definded
What is to stop you from complaining about any other word in the sentence next, or complaining about the words used to define the words, then the words used to define the words used to define, and so on.

Again, I already pointed out the game you are playing. It is a form of sophistry and I ain't playing along.

 No.230247

I just found out today that the Bank of Japan owned 75% of the country's ETF market as of June of last year and it's probably only gotten worse since then. Holy shit I had no idea things were that bad. I've heard about Japan's negative rates for a long time and always wondered how it was sustainable. Looks like it's not, the BOJ just started gobbling up equities to keep the shit show going. How are their citizens okay with this shit? That's illegal in the US as it should be. Eventually the central banks will own everything if they continue down this course. Bonds are one thing, but equities come with corporate governance. Who cares if it's stable (which it won't be) if they end up owning everything?

 No.230248

>>230209
the people who create the most value do it with other people's work. No one creates the amount of value to society to justify the amount of money a billionaire earns. Creating an efficient system of slavery should not be rewarded just because the system of slaves is useful to people. There is no way to be wealthy without being evil because you decide to pay your slaves who actually produce the value less and take more for yourself for merely organizing the slaves into a company which is easier and less dangerous than any of the other jobs. That job is only allowed to the people who have the money to buy the capital the slaves need to produce the value, there's nothing special about these people other than their ability to buy and control capital. They are stealing money from the workers.

 No.230249

>>230248
Also I should note that many of these rich guys don't even bother to do the work of organizing the company. As long as they have the cash for the capital, they own the company and get to divide up the money as they want. They can just hire other people to do all the work. It's literally just slavery, these people do nothing except own things and own people('s labor).

 No.230250

>>230247
People go along with it because at this point they don't really have a realistic choice but to go along with it if they want to try and maintain their standard of living.

 No.230252

>>230247
Asians countries (and most especially the Chinese) seem to have a really naive view of economics. Not that the west is all that much better.

 No.230253

>>230248
>slavery
Oh, you again. Still don't know what that word means I see. Or how entirely voluntary mutually beneficial exchange of goods and or services work. Nor do you understand what theft means ether.

Your fundamental premise that any time someone pays another person for their labor some how makes the person that agrees to take that payment for their labor is some how a slave and being stolen from is completely ridicules.

>>230249
>running a profitable business is just about throwing money at everything and that magically makes things go in your favor
You are stupid beyond words if you unironically think that is how business or economics works.


I wounder how your narrative would explain self-made million and billionaires who didn't start off with huge amounts of money or capital?
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/05/10/wealthx-billionaire-census-majority-of-worlds-billionaires-self-made.html

 No.230254

>>230252
It isn't so much naive as a different mentality.

They seek more stability and security in their investments/savings while in the west the mentality is generally closer to growing wreath and getting rich preferably quickly.

So different types of problems and scams come about due to the difference in cultures around savings and investing.

 No.230256

>>230254
I'm mostly talking about macro scale economic policy. China in particular seems to think that none of the western-derived economic theories and laws seem to apply to China because China is just different somehow.

 No.230257

>>230256
Oh, I misunderstood.

On the macro scale there is a lot of political and historical baggage behind the scenes, and in china's case, way too much sort term thinking by people thinking only of getting whatever they can and hoping they can get out and leave someone else holding the bag to take the blame, if you know what I mean.
It is one of the things that rotted Russia from the inside out during the second half of the 20th century, and why many African countries never can get all that far despite having more resources then they know what to do with.
The economic problems of asia are diverse though. Each country seems to have pretty different issues with at times radically different approaches to those problems. It is actually quite interesting (at least to me).

 No.230260

>>230257
It is quite interesting. Though the more I study economics the more I am beginning to think that it is just an exercise in futility. Its like everything that we learn from economic disasters are just post-hock rationalization and attribution errors.

 No.230263

If it is inconvenient to my political agenda it must be destroyed
-leftist

 No.230266

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 No.230267

>>230266
You brought this up in the news thread too.

Still feel the same way.
Not surprised, it is current year after all.

 No.230283

notice how quickly those impeachment faggots found a Plan B when the mueller probe washed out

I can't even be arsed to follow this ukriane shit

 No.230285

File: 1571729967915.jpg (28.68 KB, 404x404, 1:1, onion.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

Trudeau won again

 No.230286

>>230285
Canadians have no one to blame but themselves for being the worlds biggest punchline. Enjoy becoming just as bad a shithole as California.

 No.230296

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>>230236
You're obtuse and pedantic on top of being wrong. Even visiting the wikipedia article of "Value (economics)" shows that there are as many theories of value as there are economic theories. Your original post is an example of a nonargument. A small string of words that reference different concepts in a form of a question. It doesn't add anything, it doesn't argue for anything, it doesn't explain anything, it requires anyone reading it to assume basically everything if they want to create some sense of what you're saying. When asked to explain what do you mean by something, you refuse to clarify or develop anything, as if the few words that you used to talk about a very extensive topic were enough to nail an entire discussion that is raging for centuries.

There is no place for you in a serious political discussion because you are not interested in one.

 No.230297

>>230266
Man this society really needs to burn. Not just cut the tree to the root but burn the fucking thing from the ground up. At this point im glad immigrants are gonna replace ous i just hope they dont embrace western culture for their sake and the future of humankind

 No.230298

I found a true wiz philosopher

 No.230300

>>230253
>you can just choose to starve to death bro, it's not slavery!

 No.230308

>>230296
>implying you have any interest in the topic
>implying you actually want to argue the point and not just semantics as you have been doing and continue to do
>implying anything about the questions were beyond comprehension or unclear

Basically another non-answer. Even resorting to reaction images. I wonder how long before the smug anime succubi start getting posted.
Predictable

 No.230309

>>230300
Now you are just shitposting at this point.

 No.230311

>>229972
yep lot of tension it would seem in latin america, is it really spontaneous though?
meanwhile maduro's still in power lol

 No.230313

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/10/22/uconn-video-white-students-arrested-yelling-n-word/

>2 guys talking about niggers with each other

>criminally charged for hate speech
There are Americans who actually think that their country is any freer than the rest of the world.

 No.230314

>>230308
You're right, I don't want to talk to you. That is clearly a waste of time and I should've guessed as much when you posted a loaded and meaningless question as a topic starter.

 No.230321

>>230313
The US doesn't have hate speech laws and they most certainly were not criminally charged for hate speech. They were most likely arrested for disorderly conduct, which is almost always dropped in a day or two. Something cops can charge anyone yelling anything with if they so please.

 No.230322

>>230314
>wah, he isn't falling for my tricks or taking my bait
God you are so full of shit.

 No.230325

>>230321
Read the article. They were arrested for hate speech. There are no federal laws, but there are state hate speech laws that they are being persecuted on.

 No.230326

>>230325
The law would get thrown out as being blatantly unconstitutional and as well as ignoring over a hundred years of case law if they are dumb enough to actually bring it to court.
The supreme court has already ruled over and over again that "hate speech" is protected speech, and that states can't overrule the Constitution.

 No.230329

>>230326
Someday the american supreme court will decide that hate speech is not free speech, but long before that happens it'll already be impossible to deviate from progressive orthodoxy without having your life destroyed by corporations and other organizations.

 No.230340

>>230313
More people get shot by dogs in the US than get arrested for saying nigger.

 No.230342

>>230325
>arrested
so not charged?

 No.230343

>>230309
No, I'm really not, and because you insist on being so obtuse I will attempt to explain it to you with a little historical context. When the slaves were freed in America they were told, congrats, you're no longer a slave. You now own nothing and have nowhere to live and have no job. What do you think most of them ended up doing? They just got jobs working for the old slave masters. Yes, now they could go somewhere else if they were mistreated, but since they owned no land or donkeys or plows or other tools they had to become laborers or sharecroppers for the white men who did. Their lives were little changed in practice although they were technically "free" they were still forced to do the same things through economic conditions. Then, once new forms of capital were invented like tractors and columbine harvesters, the plantation owners no longer needed them so they were set adrift again. Desperate, and with no way to feed their families they had no choice but to move to industrial centers and hope to sell their labor to the owner of a factory in exchange for the wage they needed to live. These jobs were extremely dangerous and degrading and paid barely enough to survive, but they had literally no other option.

It's around this time that even if you weren't a slave and owned a small family farm, you could no longer get enough money to buy the basics of life from what you produced on your farm because the large plantation owners with their fancy technology could produce what you did for a fraction of the price, thus pushing the prices down and making what you could get for your crop not enough to live on. Small scale home manufacturing which was also a common way for families to make money was being pushed out by the factories which produced the same goods again at a fraction of the price. This left many with no choice but to sell their labor to the factories. When you sell your labor, you have to do everything your boss tells you to do. This is the same as the master-slave relationship of old except that in the past if you didn't do what your boss told you to do, you would be punished, usually with some sort of corporal punishment like a beating or whipping.

If you don't do what your boss tells you to, you will no longer have a chance to earn a wage from that person in the future (you are fired). Now at first glance the punishment in traditional slavery might seem much more barbaric, but consider that no matter how badly these slaves got whipped, they still had a place to stay, they still got fed. Not so for the wage slaves, for them, everything was taken, so people actually had less freedom and ended up working more hours and much more vigorously. The perfect form of slavery had finally been invented. Instead of beating them, you just take literally everything from them, including the respect of their peers. This coup was accomplished with endless brainwashing where people's sense of self esteem was connected to their ability to make money for their masters. The masters would reward their best slaves and give them enough money to start living with some of the same sort of luxuries as they themselves enjoyed, it was the same tactic they use to make the house niggers feel superior to the slave niggers. No matter how many luxuries you get to experience, the fact remains that you are a slave.

I could continue but I imagine it would be wasted on you.

 No.230346

>>230285
lol, what else did you expect?

 No.230347

>U.S. envoy says he was told release of Ukraine aid was contingent on public declaration to investigate Bidens, 2016 election
https://www.washingtonpost.com/powerpost/diplomat-who-raised-alarm-about-withholding-aid-to-ukraine-testifies-in-impeachment-probe/2019/10/22/086fb850-f436-11e9-8cf0-4cc99f74d127_story.html

>The senior U.S. diplomat in Ukraine said Tuesday he was told release of military aid was contingent on public declarations from Ukraine that it would investigate the Bidens and the 2016 election, contradicting President Trump’s denial that he used the money as leverage for political gain.


>Acting ambassador William B. Taylor Jr. testified behind closed doors in the House impeachment probe of Trump that he stands by his characterization that it was “crazy” to make the assistance contingent on investigations he found troubling.


>Upon arriving in Kyiv last spring he became alarmed by secondary diplomatic channels involving U.S. officials that he called “weird,” Taylor said, according to a copy of his lengthy opening statement obtained by The Washington Post.


>Taylor walked lawmakers through a series of conversations he had with other U.S. diplomats who were trying to obtain what one called the “deliverable” of Ukrainian help investigating Trump’s political rivals.


>Taylor said he spoke to Ambassador Gordon Sondland, the U.S. envoy to the European Union.


>“During that phone call, Amb. Sondland told me that President Trump had told him that he wants President [Volodymyr] Zelensky to state publicly that Ukraine will investigate Burisma and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 election,” Taylor said in the statement.

>…
>“Amb. Sondland also told me that he now recognized that he had made a mistake by earlier telling the Ukrainian officials to whom he spoke that a White House meeting with President Zelensky was dependent on a public announcement of investigations — in fact, Amb. Sondland said, ‘everything’ was dependent on such an announcement, including security assistance,’” Taylor told House investigators.

>“He said that President Trump wanted President Zelensky ‘in a public box’ by making a public statement about ordering such investigations.’

>…
>An official working on the impeachment inquiry said Tuesday that Taylor is testifying under subpoena after the State Department attempted to block his appearance.
>…
>Taylor took the job on temporary assignment earlier this year after the sitting ambassador was removed, in what she told the committees was political retaliation by the Trump administration.

>Taylor, a retired former ambassador to Ukraine and a foreign policy elder statesman, had exchanged text messages with two other diplomats in which he called it “crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign” and a “nightmare scenario.”

>…
>Hours before Taylor arrived, Trump called the impeachment inquiry a “lynching,” drawing swift condemnation from Democrats. Some accused the president of using race to attempt to distract from what Taylor may say.

>Taylor agreed to go to Kyiv as a placeholder ambassador because he thought the U.S.-Ukraine relationship was at a critical moment following Zelensky’s election last spring, other diplomats said.


>Taylor wanted to reinforce U.S. support for Zelensky’s anti-corruption agenda and his independence from Russia, people who know Taylor said.


>He also told friends he worried that the relationship would drift after the forced recall of former ambassador Marie Yovanovitch, and he made it clear within the State Department that he objected to her treatment, current and former administration officials said.

>On July 21, four days before Trump and Zelensky had a phone call in which Trump asked Zelensky to conduct those investigations, Taylor exchanged text messages with Sondland.

>Zelensky wants Ukraine to be “taken seriously” and not just serve as “an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics,” Taylor told Sondland, a key player in the effort to draw Ukraine into the election-related investigations.


>And on Sept. 1, the day Vice President Pence was set to meet with Zelensky, Taylor again texted Sondland.


>“Are we now saying that security assistance and WH meeting are conditioned on investigations?” Taylor asked.


>“Call me,” Sondland replied, in what Democrats have said is probably an effort to prevent a paper trail.


>On Sept. 8, Taylor and Sondland tried to get on the phone with Kurt Volker, then the special U.S. envoy for Ukraine, but Volker couldn’t hear the conversation.


>“Gordon and I just spoke,” Taylor texted Volker. “I can brief you if you and Gordon don’t connect.” Taylor continued: “The nightmare is they give the interview and don’t get the security assistance. The Russians love it. (And I quit.)”

>…
>“The message to the Ukrainians (and Russians) we send with the decision on security assistance is key,” Taylor texted the next day. “With the hold, we have already shaken their faith in us. Thus my nightmare scenario.”

>Sondland replied, saying that “we have identified the best pathway forward.”


>“As I said on the phone,” Taylor replied, “I think it’s crazy to withhold security assistance for help with a political campaign.”


>Five hours went by before Sondland replied. Sondland later testified that he was relaying only what Trump had told him in an intervening phone call.


>“Bill, I believe you are incorrect about President Trump’s intentions,” he wrote. “The President has been crystal clear no quid pro quo’s of any kind. The President is trying to evaluate whether Ukraine is truly going to adopt the transparency and reforms that President Zelensky promised during his campaign.”


>Democrats have pointed to that message, which differs in tone and detail from the chatty earlier exchanges, as an effort to establish a cover story.


Apologies for copying so much of the article but I feel this is important enough a story to warrant it. This is the crime and the coverup all in one. Trump is finished, no way republicans can spin this effectively enough that at least some of their base will figure out what's really going on.

 No.230348

>>230285
Best outcome. That idiot is somehow better than the other candidate, including Crybaby Maxy

 No.230349

>>230347
Relevant laws violated:
52 USC 30121: Contributions and donations by foreign nationals
https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?req=(title:52%20section:30121%20edition:prelim)

U.S. Code § 201. Bribery of public officials and witnesses
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/201

The second one, Bribery, is clearly stated as one of the offenses that shall result in impeachment and removal from office in the constitution.

>“The President, Vice President and all Civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from Office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.”

— U.S. Constitution, Article II, section 4

 No.230355

russia taking over while the evil empire sinks into irrelevance and SJWism
———————————————————-
Russia offers African leaders no-strings-attached business and protection from Western pressure
https://www.rt.com/news/471550-russia-africa-summit-sochi/

“We have something to offer our African friends. This, in particular, will be discussed at the upcoming summit. And of course, we aim, together with our African partners, to uphold common economic interests and protect them from unilateral sanctions, including by reducing the share of the dollar and switching to other currencies in mutual settlements,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said

 No.230356

>>230348
How so? What is one thing he has dine to better the country or our lives as single males?

 No.230357

>>230347
mm yes it'll pan out this time for sure

 No.230358

>>230343
Long story short you are a idiot that is seriously trying to make the absurd argument that anyone ever working for anyone else is the equivalent to slavery.


Let me ask you this.
What work do you think is not slavery?

 No.230359

>>230340
>More people get shot by dogs in the US than get arrested for saying nigger.
>More people get shot by dogs in the US
>shot by dogs
Wat?

 No.230361

>>230359
Yeah, we love guns so much we have guns for our pets too.

 No.230365

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>>230347
>Trump is finished
Can't tell if serious or elaborate mockery

 No.230386

>>230365
He has been at it for a long while. Yeah he is actually serious, and yeah it is both sad and annoying at this point.

 No.230390

>>230365
Every couple weeks I read that it's the beginning of the end for trump. For the last 4 fucking years.

 No.230392

>>230390
The way things are going, we are in for 4 more years of this bullshit.

 No.230401

https://dailystormer.name/two-proud-boys-sentenced-to-four-years-in-prison-for-getting-attacked-by-antifa/

And it is the real life equivalent of “a private company can silence you on the internet, because it’s not the government doing it.”

It’s: “a private gang can silence you on the street, because it’s not the cops doing it.”

When you combine antifa street mobs with the kind of civil lawsuits that they’re using to silence people – suing people for hurting feelings, or for accusing a Jew of lying – and then combine it with the censorship by tech monopolies, we have less freedom of speech then pretty much any country that has ever existed.

Certainly, this is a whole lot worse than the alleged censorship of the alleged “dictatorships” of China or Russia.

It’s much worse than the Soviet Union.

And somehow, these kikes have the nerve to make the claim that America is a free country that needs to go to war with other countries to bring them freedoms.

 No.230407

>>230401
kill yourself

 No.230416

>>230407
lol rude

 No.230420

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>https://www.thepostmillennial.com/breaking-the-lawyer-who-took-down-jessica-yaniv-explains-the-case/
Remember the tranny who wanted to his balls waxxed by a muslim f*male massager. Well it happens that he is a white nationalist.

 No.230421

Reminder that story about a mom "forcing" her child to be trans is fake, like most of what reactionaries peddle.

 No.230422

>>230420
trans people being reactionaries is nothing new, there's a ton of fash ones on 4chan's /lgbt/

 No.230425

>>230420
>Well it happens that he is a white nationalist.
That's not what it says. It just so happens that brown people especially of recent migration background are not as progressive as white urbanites, and even when they are not full progressive whites tend to be cowards and just submit.

This like the whole "muslims are right about succubi" thing. In the end, the truth is that the left hates Whites, straight people, males, and above all straight white males, so when there's a clash between 2 victim classes it becomes hard for them to decide which one is the "real victim". If the tranny was brown and the massager was some white bloke it would be a no brainer for them.

 No.230427

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vUI__sxL_fgzy5JYqaxB9cysOHwwQSE4/view

Full text of Ambassador Taylor's opening statement.

 No.230432


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 No.230517

>>230343
> When the slaves were freed in America they were told, congrats, you're no longer a slave. You now own nothing and have nowhere to live and have no job. What do you think most of them ended up doing? They just got jobs working for the old slave masters.
When serfdom ended in Europe, ex-serfs were given little to no land, yet most people still managed to get land, a trade, a standard of living above their old one, fairly quickly. More clever people quickly rose above in this free environment, the next generation of ex-peasants was already getting into higher education and important positions.
>more commie bullshit blah blah blah I want gibs
Getting fired ultimately doesn't matter if you don't have a family, and if you do, you should've been planning/counting on getting fired a long time ago. You can live off of <=$500 in most free western countries as long as you aren't a retard(eg. living in a big city, buying dumb crap), and you can get a job that pays more than twice that tommorow. It is also very easy to get out of this 'wage-slave system' if your brain is even slightly wrinkled. You have infinite information at your hands, you could become completely self-reliant in a couple of months of reading, if you're clever enough you can literally become a millionaire out of your room esp. if you live in the US. Also nobody gives a shit if you get fired and there is no stigma around it, and even if there was you're a faggot for caring what people think. Realistically the only system in place that actually exists and can keep you down if it wants to, and you can't really escape it nowadays, is the government itself.


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