People in the 2000s were very much aware that the 2000s sucked ass.
it was a bad time for me, but a good time compared to the current reality
almost everything looks good in retrospect
the 90s still sucked though, there's no nostalgia there
The only cool thing about the 00s was the internet.
The 2000s were a great time for gaming. Towards the end of 2010 is when EA starting buying up everything and made gaming suck ass. Also smartphones became popular which introduced lootboxes.
I suppose these things are regional. In the 2000's my area was still clean and nice. Now it's a shithole with massive state apartments housing the worst people in our country. Crime has gone up so much, also the older I become the more problems I have. So life seems better the further back I go
George Bush was funnier than Trump. I miss him.
Also, hi there schizo-wiz. Hope you're doing well despite things.
You're the NASA video guy too, right?
He had his wife looking at him even before spelling the word "con"
So you believe the official story (attached)?
War (or as i like to call it human sacrifice)
is the most profitable business in the history of civilisation, these people worship the left hand path
. You might believe it's all hogwash, they don't.
It should make its way into popular consciousness any day now. 90's nostalgia only started creeping up around 2011 or so. Just give it a little time.
It was where trends from the 90s went to die
i hated everything about the 90s. didnt have internet. had only snes for most of the decade with no new games bought. wasnt allowed to use the family computer to play games until around the end of the 90s. i thouhht this was a normal view of the 90s tho
00s were way better for me
Frame rate is far too smooth for a video of that supposed age.
Artefacts of film distortion are far too regular.
Typeface for the timer is also pretty slick for the intended time period.
I'm too fucking old. 00s and 10s aren't even that distinct to me.
What is there even to be nostalgic for in the 90s except early internet? 80s feels like it has its own style at least.
Because I was a kid in the 90s I have a soft spot for the cartoons and other media from that time.
Good observations. Please note ,that the video was made black and white, frames alteres and the time you see was also added using some video editing software. Original footage was altered and these things were added for some reason.
The alien still remains very real.
You can check in-depth analysis here:https://www.reddit.com/r/SkinnyBob/comments/eoyjfc/my_skinny_bob_and_ivan0135_video_series_analysis/
There are also 3 other clips released by same person. One of them is color version of aliens walking trough hallway.
The official story for 9/11 is that it was caused by a criminal conspiracy (aka organized plot) so why would this be notable in any way?
btw it's pretty clear the reason he changes off from using the world "conspiracy" is because he's doing a TV interview and the word is a legal term which normal people wouldn't understand so he uses simpler language. He's just dumbing it down here, not trying to hide something.
2000s felt like the last era that was real.
shit decade with shit culture and only nostalgized by people who were kids
compared to today the culture was great
>compared to today the culture was great
what's the difference
Trump makes him look like a genius
the only thing nostalgic about it is that's when I had my 80s nostalgia phase
on its own the "2000s" was shit at its best
I don't know much about you but 2000s was the peak in my third world shithole. Economy was great, extremism was low. We were both more free and more rich at the same time.
I thought it would go like that as always, surely we might have economic down turns here and there, but to see the regression happening not just economically but also socially and politicaly is depressing.
The 2000s was the last time the internet was really a wild west. Lots of small forums with lax moderation, controversial topics could be discussed without the thread getting locked or deleted, there was no cancel culture or deplatforming to speak of, and nobody really took the internet seriously except for a few cry babies who were laughed at by nearly everyone.
Now most forums are dead, most people use reddit, twitter or some other corporate shithole site, everyone feels the need to virtue signal, truly controversial topics are prohibited almost everywhere, everyone is paranoid of "trolls" or "toxic" users which contributes to the increase of censorship, and everyone treats the internet like it's a matter of life and death.
The 2000s was the last time the internet was mostly only used by social outcasts. Social outcasts are far more likely to have controversial opinions, believe in free speech and are much less likely to virtue signal. These days those types of people would be considered "neckbeards" by the masses.
They were very much considered neckbeards back then as well. The only difference is the people calling them that weren't sharing the internet with them yet.
Imageboards, naturally wizchan included, are relicts of 2000s.
Funny how I member 2000s though. 4chan was one of the MANY webpages, not only one. Nowadays I'm amazed how many people only browse imageboards or even one image board.
I know, I just meant on the internet. Back then the internet and "real life" were completely detached. This started to change in the late 2000s but by the 2010s it was completely gentrified by normalfags.
Also before the 2010s, nothing that happened on the internet had any real world consequences unless child porn was involved. These days it's pretty much commonplace for people to get fired for saying something offensive on the internet.
I have two theories as to why the internet changed the way it did. For one, the types of people who inhabited the internet in the 90s and 2000s were generally the types who were outcasts and were bullied a lot. This gave us thicker skin. If you were bullied or even beaten up in high school, someone calling you a faggot or retard on the internet seemed like nothing. Normalfags on the other hand always fit in and were used to being surrounded by people who had the same opinions, so when they went online and got insulted or saw an offensive opinion it came as a shock to them. Then the normalfags became a majority and the current state of the internet is just a reflection of what normalfags do when they have power. But secondly and perhaps even more importantly is the fact that there are proportionately far more succubi on the internet than there were in the 2000s and before that. succubi are, of course, more easily offended and less likely to have opinions outside of the mainstream. What compounds that problem is the fact that male normalfags instinctively want to protect succubi so when a succubus is offended by something and lets it be known it's pretty much a guarantee that some mod will go full white knight and ban the guy who said something m'lady didn't like. Not to mention most virtue signaling on the internet is ultimately male normalfags seeking the approval of any succubi who might read what they wrote. The old guard realized the effect succubi have on communities, which is why this site was always male only and why the 4chan of the 2000s had a "tits or gtfo" attitude towards female posters who advertised their gender.
>>239778>For one, the types of people who inhabited the internet in the 90s and 2000s were generally the types who were outcasts and were bullied a lot. This gave us thicker skin. If you were bullied or even beaten up in high school, someone calling you a faggot or retard on the internet seemed like nothing. Normalfags on the other hand always fit in and were used to being surrounded by people who had the same opinions, so when they went online and got insulted or saw an offensive opinion it came as a shock to them.
I really like this, I can't believe i've never thought about it from this angle before.
I would also like to point out that the kind of people who get offended easily are usually gonna be using the internet as an extension of their real life which is completely opposite to the way people like us carry themselves online. They have much thinner skin as a result too.
>>239590>there was no cancel culture or deplatforming to speak of
mostly because there were no nazi fag wannabes back then calling for genocide. These nazi fags are such snowflakes. They say all sorts of terrible shit then when the guy who owns the website they're posting on tells them to fuck off because they don't want that sort of shit there they whine and whine and get other media outlets to cover them obsessively because now they're being "oppressed" by teh evil medias. The whole thing is just so pathetic.
Yeah because not wanting to live in a crime infested shithole is equivalent to genocide…
LMAO eat shit whiny projecting faggot
Stop falling for obvious bait.
It only encourages them.
>>239807>I would also like to point out that the kind of people who get offended easily are usually gonna be using the internet as an extension of their real life which is completely opposite to the way people like us carry themselves online.
This is a great point. I still use the Internet, and I'm guessing this is true for many wizards, as if it were still 2004: no social media, nothing in my personal name, taking some basic privacy measures (browser extensions, VPN, etc.) and browsing mostly fringe content (15 years ago, the entire Internet was fringe content). The average normalfag is NOT like this. For the average normalfag, the Internet is basically Facebook, Google and YouTube and Amazon, along with some other minor social networks, which they browse on an unsecured browser from their phones, with accounts linked to their real identities, while swallowing up targeted ads.
The two experiences could not be more different, to the point where I would claim that wizards and normalfags are practically browsing different internets. It's ultimately a question of psychology, as normalfags use the Internet as an extension of their real-life social connections, while wizards, judging by the posts made here over the years, still perceive the internet as an alternative or escape from the real world, and tailor their experience accordingly, while lamenting that this is becoming increasingly difficult as the internet is saturated with normalfags.
I always tend to forget that most normal people aren't even using actual computers anymore on the internet. I'm overwhelmed by the amount of mental noise if I just have to go into a browser without blocking anything, imagining all that on a social network on a phone where they actually watch all these multi million view video channels on youtube while going back and forth between social media apps is something that I could imagine driving anyone mad with numerous things. Minimize your noise, maximize your peace.
Everything is also expected to be extremely fast paced and always connected even when your not on a device adding to the madness. You make a post and seconds later people all around you are having unthinking knee jerk reactions to it fueled by the cycle of all the rest it's just another part of.
Here's something else interesting, technically the people using the internet wholly as an extension of real life were also born into this ironically diluted hyper connected internet of things environment but the further back you go the more people had lives mostly separate from it all and the internet was a more diverse compilation of users that always took something from it unavoidably but when they were there they didn't want to let it bleed out too much. When I was younger on the internet I thought the idea of being able to share things from life on the internet with others was cool but I saw all these communities as isolated networks. I also was amused by local networks, anything could have one and while it's not just the physical it's its own space where you could play a game with a couple friends over a short range or a store communicating among itself or others nearby on their own networks. It was an obsession for some reason and now that dream is dead, it's all one giant monolith of connections between everything ever now.
Compared to Trump, I like Bush more
If I may chime in.
Internet, online stuff etc, didn't change that much until 2010s. Or rather changes were not that great. Changes in 2007-2012 were greater compare to 1985-2005.
For most of the years, internet was reserved for a group of people, discussing,playing, "doing" things on some small communities. Be it an university network in 80s, alt boards on 90s or some php forums or image boards in 2000s. You would be more or less anonymous, have a small community and had to get your ass in front of some machine to participate. Penetration of internet was also not that great, even in 1st world (imho).
I don't think I have to tell you how smart phones and social media changed all that. I bet most old farts here still browse this place in front of the a pc/laptop. I know I do, still find mobilebrowsing/posting weird.
but I guess I'm a product of a bygone age, there is no internet for old men.
>>244050> I bet most old farts here still browse this place in front of the a pc/laptop. I know I do, still find mobilebrowsing/posting weird.
I do both, but I'm on my PC more often. Phones are nice for lurking when you just don't want to sit up, but I don't get how people can only mobilepost. It's such a pain.
Given most of the images are from early 2000s, with very few mid 2000s. The youngest person who can relate to this is probably 25-26.
I guess everyone feels like a genius farting out obvious "smartphones popularity" theory.
well, I'm 28 and believe it or not, I can't relate to 90% of what is shown in that webm
I mean most of the stuff there is targetted for teens not kids. You have to be a teenager in 2000s to relate to most.
But yes you might related to few things that are directed to <10 year age.
I would say that webm is more or less directed to people born around 86/87.
I saw a few eps of that one too, recall jew guy claiming to have black ancestors or something like that.>>237334
Same, it might also be that I quit keeping up with all the new stuff at some point. Had to get a new computer monitor the other day and ended up asking a little about connecting scart or rgb to the new monitor and the store owner called it "retro", in my head scart was still pretty new stuff and it would at least take a few bnc connectors before I'd say retro.
Yeah, before he shipped off to WWII he screwed a black succubus and was ashamed of it but then found out he had a son and was always going around talking to the black teachers that he can relate because "I have an African-American Negro son you know"
I had internet young. And on the internet everyone's a teenager.
>>239590>Lots of small forums with lax moderation, controversial topics could be discussed without the thread getting locked or deleted, there was no cancel culture or deplatforming to speak of, and nobody really took the internet seriously
What the hell are you talking about You wouldn't believe how many forums had stupid vetting systems and hierarchies. And before you say "its because they didn't want newfags around!", one retro game forum I joined in particular put succubi that didn't know jackshit about anything other than "playing a few old sonic and mario games" on a pedestal and denied lots of real retro game enthusiasts from joining in. Tons of forums had banned or denied people from registering on forums because of past petty dramas or even in some cases, because someone preferred an old design of a video character or preferred western cartoons over anime
Pretty much every forum I visited banned religion and politics from the main boards because it turned in to flame wars. Many had dedicated containment boards or banned it on all the site. SomethingAwful/4chan were exceptions not the rule to 2000s tolerance of "free speech" on forums I think.
I remember people posting 20 paragraph long replies on forums quoting every element of a post. People took things more seriously then I'd argue because of people treating forums like a small community. It was a time when people would only visit a couple of forums, so people would invest in one instead of visiting 50+ pseudo-anonymous communities like these days. People today treat their shitposting and low effort replies seriously I guess, since they've given up on seriously arguing with anons. Everything is about "controlling the narrative" in a sense today with people just trying to convince and control the imagined crowd/frontpage/etc, be it through dumbed down propaganda or controlling content.
Trolling meant something different then because you were actually trolling a meaningful community who had friends and felt like their forum was their home. So it felt more amusing to troll them in to long replies, to fuck around, to burn stuff down - either maliciously or amusingly; and others in the forum would tell people not to feed them. Now trolling is just being hyper-aggressive, abusive, and mocking. The old forum system I'd argue was built on a meaningful community that struggles to exist in the public internet sphere now.
That was my experience with forums anyway.
Early 2000's were great, but 9/11 changed a lot of things for the worse. There are some things I liked better in the 2000's than the 90's, but I generally preferred the 90's. Late 2000's were kind of bad though, not as bad as today, but we were getting there with the rise of social media.
You're not wrong, it was hit and miss, but we had way more options than today in pretty much every aspect of the internet.
I'm on desktop now, but phones are actually really convenient when you're too lazy to get out of bed.
who made that piece of fucking shit the OP pic for a nostalgia thread
>>244112>remember people used to rag on Dubya pretty badly during his presidency>he was somehow better than Trump, despite being a mediocre at best pres
Is it weird i have a nostalgia for shitting on Bush
A lot of good anime and games came out in early 2000's. 2006 especially seems like a magical year. Unfortunately for me personally it was the year everything became worse. 07 was the last hurrah, and 08 marked the beginning of the era where I would get burnt and disfranchised by the state of things.
>>244125>better than trump
because launching infinity war and extreme orwellianism was better than a do-nothing fuck like trump
Yeah, things were pretty great until around 2008 or 2009.
Mid 2000s were the era when corporate entertainment dominated everywhere. Gaming included. Games began to be extremely costly to made and appeal to cnsoles had began. If you wanted to sell a game you had to sell in on 2-3 platforms, Being a medium sized developer was a challange let alone indie. Steam was still obscure and most games still relied on physical copis, therefore you had to consider distribution and also traditional marketing. Gone were the days of a small studio making a good game with minimal cost.
Thankfully all of this is gone thanks to the kickstarter renaissance. I really love how 2010s opened the path to many small time developers publishers of games rpgs boardgames etc.>>244068
As a non american I felt that show to be very realistic, like really really down to earth and showing America as it is. Which is something very common today but in the days of 2000s tv I think that was something different.
Maybe there were other shows like Boston Public but oh well.
The one thing that's most pervasive throughout a particular decade is the president who presided over most of it and the related politics, like for example 9/11. I could have put some other piece of 2000's media that I was a fan of but it won't universally resonate with people the way a sitting president will.
Not really what I was thinking when I selected it, but my justification reflecting on it.
I think 1995-2005 (or any other close variation) is the sweet spot for gaming/internet/entertainment quality. I see various people declaring something close to this year range to be the best time for them, and I think it's accurate.
I think entertainment is too broad a category for that. Gaming and internet is fair, but movies, music, literature etc. all had different peaks.
Usually most people and probably that guy included, equals the media coming out during his childhood and early teen years to be the "best quality". Pure nostalgia glasses. It's curious most people simply fail to realize that for whatever reason. I used to be part of a Pokemon community years ago and it turned out most users there just happened to think the generation that came out when they were kids to be the best gen.
My brother is 6 years younger than me and has a huge bias towards ps2 era games, while I think it's shit lol. Chances are you'll like whatever trash you watched/played during the best years of your life and later on your brain does that connection. If you don't force through it (I was forced to come into terms with my own nostalgia because NEET consuming media 24/7) it's likely you'll forever believe your nostalgia to be true and racionalize it.
Yes childhood is always memorable, and youth is cherrished but it doesn't mean that your childhood=best years of your life.
For example, when I was a child my family wasn't doing good, I went to a school I like and economy was shit.
But mid 2000s were awesome. My family was making okay money, the country had an economical boom (wasn't even effected by 08 crisis that much) and while highschool was meh I had plenty of people I chatted online.
Now somethings are personal yeah. But some must be blamed for the zeitgeist of the time. For example it is nigh impossible for me to find people to talk to(besides here on imageboards which is mind you a relic of 2000s). Because anonymity is gone. Moreover the country also went to shit, with rapid inflation.
Whenever I have the chance I always tell the youth people had it better 10-12 years ago, and thats not "muh teenage years" nostalgia but a fact.
>2009 was 11 years ago
there was an 8chan board for that
it didn't get revived after the shutdown though
2009 feels like a few months ago. Half the year has gone by and it feels like a few weeks. What the fuck even is time?
If 2009 felt like a few months ago you have serious memory issues, or you've been in a coma. Think about all the years since then, and understand it's been a fuckton of time.
Its on the webring now. No one with a brain went back to 8kunt
is this the same as the y2k board?
I never browsed there so I don't know, I'm not the wiz who commented about webring, I'm just linking you to it.
nah, it's not
y2k was exclusively early 2000s
but thank you anyways
unfortunately it's mostly dead
there are some fairly recent posts, it's just that the op images are somehow lost
I live far more fully between 2003-2009 than in any other year. A lot of changes happened and I changed alot, yeah I was a teenager back then but my life was also more colorfull.
Between 2009 to 2020 my life is more or less the same only places/names changed but.
I go to school
I worry about gpa
I worry about fellowship applications
I worry about whether I can reach my next target
This is what happens when you drink the academia coolaide I guess.I'm 30 years old and I'm still proselytizing myself for letters of reccomendation, still worry about deadlines. Still live in temporary shitt studentlike conditions. Still a virgin etc. I'm basically a manchild and stuck in time.
>>244361>Still a virgin
what a tragedy
Its the same community they just changed names.
a time when you could watch streaming videos through a piece of software that wasn't a web browser and a bloated piece of shit.
still using winamp here, i love it :)
I'm 30 and in the 2000s I experienced the horror of middle school and high school, which included excessive bullying trauma from teachers and kids. 2008 kicked off my shitty adult life since I began my useless college years and then the 2008 Economic Crisis occurred. I never want to go back to that time. The 2010s were shit too. Basically, maybe the only time I've been happy was as an innocent toddler.
Only thing I miss from that time period is the complete disregard for computer security. Everything was hackable.
I wish I was more into programming back then.
This is true. Unfortunately that sword cut both ways, you'd get your PC messed with by viruses and exploits eventually. I lost count of how many times I had to reinstall windows 98 and windows me. Some viruses could even flash your bios and brick your pc.
2000's started pretty bad right off the bat. WTC made sure airports and other facilities would breed endless checklists and bureaucracy, internet died with the first smartphone.
jewphones didn't exist, paranoiacs and control freaks couldn't steal pictures/videos of you in public or sic the pigs on you for any and every malicious reason, had to rely on inaccurate spoken descriptions and wait forever on the line
no "social media"
no "FACEBOOK TWITTER YOUTUBE
DOWNLOAD OUR CRAPP
SCAN THIS QR CODE"
on literally everything in the stores
no shitheads running you over at the crosswalk because they're watching porn on their jewphone
no anime where characters are just playing with their jewphones the whole time
could register with sites and start emails without a phone activation code requirement
internet sites were still navigable and not redesigned around jewphones
generation-z wasn't old enough yet to spread their cancerous shit culture
The greatest pieces of media were produced between the later half of the 2000s and the earlier half of the 2010s.
Bush is overrated. Obama is underrated. Basically being a charismatic black guy who could always bullshit his way out of certain questions gave the scientific, intelligence, defense and diplomatic communities blank checks to do whatever they want. He made science cool and now everyone can have a trap gf. The healthcare thing was something the Democrats had been trying to do at least since JFK. Stem cell research. He had the balls to give the finger to Pakistan and went and killed Osama. The nuclear waste agreement with India among other things in the name of global warming prevents these massive third world countries from becoming more Chinas.
Bush actually did shit. Whether or not it was good is another matter.
Trump's basically bragging about everything he's done and going to do, or getting angry on his Twitter every few weeks. Is he the worst pres ever? No. Is he a good leader? No, even if you agree with where he's coming from
Everything is still hackable, just so hard that only big budget government hackers can expend the time and resources to do it.
Rip 14 yo lone hackers.
I'll just list off some random things I recall. Note that I'm Australian, and some of these obviously carry over from the late 90's:
2001-2003>Last two years of school, no friends, walked around and hid in bathroom until library opened. Had constant violent panic attacks. It was hell in many ways, only even had two people 'warm up' to me slightly towards the end of the second year, the only time I felt somewhat more comfortable - still have plenty of comfortable and nostalgic memories of the period in general, though.>Late 2001\early 2002 got into conspiracy theories bigtime after watching 911 The Road to Tyranny (pretty sure there was a pre-release version that came out late 2001 but I could be wrong). Everything got really paranoid and dark after 9/11, I still don't think it was the attacks themselves that coloured things that way, it was the way politicians and media exploited fear, Bush, Blair were literally out there being like "cities will get nuked!". This lasted till at least 2006, I'd say. I watched several of AJ's 'documentaries' in 2001-2002, knew all the 911 truth talking points, etc. Got involved with an IRC channel dedicated to 'fighting the NWO'.>Playing pirated Civ5>Everyone at school had MSN Messenger, I keylogged a bunch of the them using a RAT\keylogger programs I barely had to alter>Watching GiTS SAC, I think these were mostly fan subbed versions and not always that well done, very confusing at times>WinMX and other p2p programs still active, wild times with collections of audiobooks, etc continuing to grow, bizarre porn and CP. Had started listening to Alan Watts the previous years and continued to download his stuff. This is a big nostalgia point for me - the way you could browse these collections, the way there seemed to be ever more content, and users would appear or disappear, I really miss that way of exploring.>Progressive trance, trance music was still my thing but felt like it was dying, listened to a lot of 'chillout' stuff. I get the feeling most young people today would have little idea trance was such a big thing for a while.>Ebooks on IRC. Printed out literally piles of ebooks because I hated reading on screen, read the Unabombers Manifesto that way and uhhh. Read 'Three Ladies at Sea' on the family computer.>>244656
I was watching an episode of Miami Vice (from 1984\5) and this really hit me. The cops in that office simply had a desk, folders, drawers, pen and paper. It just hit me so hard how, while computers and computer networks can really empower individuals in many ways, the state is also using those technologies to gain more and more power. Still, Jewphones DO in some ways help turn things back against the police. Being able to record interactions with the police, and even the general notion that others MAY be recording - probably does a lot to decrease police violence. It's just that the system in general is still very powerful and using that computing power to track us.
2000s in Turkey were pretty awesome. Country was out of an economic crisis in early 2000s. The economy boomed tremendously, due to short sighted plans that would be costly on the long run. Erdogan who was recently elected was pretty tame due to establishment keeping him in check. Turkish money was almost equal to dollar, purchasing power was quite good, gdp per capita was constantly increasing. There was no social conservative cencorship/pressure while the country was increasing being more liberal towards religious folk and minorities too.
This all end around 2008. When seculars and islamist really began to fight it out. This was the time when both sides became more authoratarian, but with erdogan beginning to win, censorships, poltiical restrictions etc began to increase accordingly. Nevertheless country was still doing good economically so people didn't care to much.
It's all a downhill since 2012. Economy going to shit, nation becoming more authoratarian (although not islamist which I find funny) Erdogan will more than likely go away in the next election but he might burn the country while doing it.
I really miss old turkey. I feel we were a shitty eastern european country in 2000s but transformed into a shitty middle eastern country in 2010s.
I thought Erdogan changed the laws to allow himself to remain in power, or something like that.
Very good post, this was my experience as well.
are you kidding? Trump is that guy who constantly boasts about how much sex he's having. He would make fun of any virgin in his presence relentlessly because it's an easy way to make himself feel superior (which is the drug all narcissists are addicted to).
also fuck W. Fuck Obama, fuck Clinton, Fuck H.W., Fuck Reagan, fuck all you bitches. The last decent president we had was Jimmy Carter. A man so honest he gave up his peanut farm so he wouldn't be accused of having conflicts of interest. Look how far we have fallen since then.
I believe that if Jimmy Carter had gotten a second term this country would look completely different today. It wouldn't look like it's about to fall apart. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/carter-crisis/
Just read the transcript of this speech he gave. He was a deep thinker unlike other presidents. He fucking got it, he knew we had to treat the root causes of the issues, not just do some flashy shit that sounds good to people so they will vote for you but that changes nothing. All the presidents who came after him did is create a fuck ton of debt that the next generations will have to pay off. It created the illusion of wealth, but wealth bought by credit is not wealth at all, just a contract for further servitude. Only Carter showed a serious interest in actually leading the country towards a new sustainable future, but the country chose destruction instead.
Any time a country begins to say, "The problem wasn't X, it was because we didn't get the right people in charge
," that's when I know they have a political system doomed to fail. Good political institutions should not require this mythical "good person in charge." If they do, they're kind of shite and unrealistic political institutions.
Wiz, every single political system ever devised can be defeated or work with the right or wrong people in charge. I would genuinely like you to show me a policy that does not need any kind of good judgement or leadership to function.
No, cause Iraq and Afghanistan. Places the USA should have never been involved with. By all rights, that war criminal should be on trial in The Hague facing charges for crimes against humanity, mass murder of innocent civilians and waging aggressive war.
I'm old enough to remember when Bush was basically treated as the 2nd coming of Hitler by all the mainstream media including all those "funny" late-night comedians. It was basically considered unthinkable that he'd even step foot in a late-night TV studio, yet here we are years later he's on Ellen, Jimmy Kimmel, etc. cracking the funny jokes from his presidency days. And now here we are, the media conveniently turns a blind eye, forgetting all those thousands of American military dead, tens of thousand foreign civilians dead, just cause Bush said something in opposition to Trump.
It's really quite sickening, but you start to understand the reasons for why it happened, todays media is nothing more then a well-oiled propaganda machine controlled by a select few multi-millionaire elite individuals in power who use it to push their own agenda on American society. When you're watching todays mainstream media, you're basically consuming someone elses propaganda. I'm not a particular big fan of Trump, but if there's one thing I always enjoyed is his constant calling out of modern media as fake news, cause that's really what they are deep down. The media has long since ceased to be an advocate for the common working-class, and is nothing more then snobby millionaire pundits on TV pushing their corporate bosses agenda.
And I don't give a shit about Trump, but at the very least he never put American boots on the ground in some 3rd world country and understands the necessity of completely withdrawing the military from these foreign places like Syria, Afghanistan, etc. Countries the USA has done more harm then good to. To me, that's worth more then some funny Twitter antics.
Really? Isn't this…isn't this high school polsci 101? You know, checks and balances (you don't need to depend on having a good despot if the possibility of a bad despot is balanced against being checked by a judiciary or cetera), the political theory of factions (competing interests amongst different agencies helping to keep one from running rampant), and all of that? I pretty sure I'm saying your usual moderate, run of the mill, "I just read about the U.S. constitution on Wikipedia and…" stuff.
As for examples, well checks and balances are abundant, but there's alsos ombudsmen, capitalism, trial-by-jury, militias, etc.. Do I really need to spell myself out here? Or the counterexamples of so many countries that ends up becoming too centralized either in one institution or one person thereby breaking down the competing interest, institutions, checks and balances, and factions and thereby inevitably going to shit?
>>247069>You know, checks and balances (you don't need to depend on having a good despot if the possibility of a bad despot is balanced against being checked by a judiciary or cetera), the political theory of factions (competing interests amongst different agencies helping to keep one from running rampant), and all of that? I pretty sure I'm saying your usual moderate, run of the mill, "I just read about the U.S. constitution on Wikipedia and…" stuff.
And yet here we are, with all these checks and balances, and we still have a system that is "doomed to fail".
They were right to go to Iraq and Afghanistan. Also leaving Iraq and staying out of Syria and Libya was a huge mistake.
1 million dead iraqis are not worth a single jewish fingernail
if trump was more of a neocon and slaughtered 1 million more of israel's enemies the "american" media would be lionizing him, too
True, ironically it became extremely detrimental to him. Funny enough he came to power due to the bugs in the system, previously you could hold %30 of the vote and control everything. Now he can lose everything even if his vote is 45%.
He also made the mistake of turning more authoritarian as things were going bad, you really want to ride to good times wave when you are doing that.
He is going away. I love his pathetic attempts to appeal to young voters. I'm not sure how he will go but I have high hopes for Turkey. The youth, and not the baby boomer (even if its an american term, but you know people born in 40-60s, the people who voted erdogan in) population is the majority. Erdogan cant rely on the huge elderly population vote as in 1st world countries, and youth absolutely hates him. We really might be ruled by secular liberals for quite some time in the future.
Please create a new thread if you want to talk politics, this thread is about the 2000s and you're just derailing my thread for no reason.
only exception is people who succeeded in high school and no further beyond
A few years back I came across an imgur link with hundreds of early 2000s aesthetic images. I wish I could find it again.
Get lost normalfag
I'm not America, but I don't see how anyone, even liberals could claim Bush is better than Trump, he literally started pointless wars and started the financial crash by allowing bankers to do whatever they wanted and then before he left he bailed them out using trillions of dollars. I think it's only SJW idiots who still somehow believe Trump is the next Hitler who think Bush was better than Trump in anyway.
00s Emos were the last true teenage subculture based around music and fashion. e-boys and e-succubi are not common and fake af.
I was born in 1994 so I was a bit young for the 00s emo age. I remember seeing some of them in school when I was 12. They seemed cancer and objects of mockery at the time but they were actually the last hurrah of rock-music based subcultures. They were cool.
Here in the UK there was a whole chav vs emo teenage subculture was of which the murder of Sophie Lancaster in 2007 was the apex. Teens were way more wild back then as well. Drinking and fighting. The internet has smartphones have really calmed that down.
For a lot of normies, music is a budding point around which socialisation can occur. Obviously, from the 1950s to the mid 00s, music was not easily accessible for free in your hand. It was a significant investment of income for young people; people would have to go to someone else's house to listen to their vinyl records or CDs. It was a very social thing. People with similar music tastes would stick together and form cliques and then subcultures; record labels would obviously encourage and exploit this to sell more. With the absence of at least paucity of gaming/social media/internet/vidya, fitting in and socialising was way more important to young people in decades gone by and music was a major medium through which to do that.
These days, with music being effectively completely free in a handheld device that people listen to mostly privately with earphones, the idea of music taste being part of your identity or tribe is no longer relevant.
>sucking Bush's cock
>people forget that he signed into law the Patriot Act
>people forget that he indirectly created ISIS and it's the reason why there's so many mudslime in Europe
bush was getting sucked every night by jeff gannon
or maybe he was getting fucked?? we'll never know which way that homosexual mass murderer swung
I wrote this on /b/ but posting it there felt like wasted effort.
The 90's wanted to be the 70's, which is when a lot of these nostalgic movie adaptations and remakes started, movies like Dazed and Confused and bands like Areosmith being big again, they leaked a bit into the the 2000's, just like how 50's nostalgia started in the 70's with stuff like Happy Days and American Graffiti and continued into the 80's with Back to the Future and even Reagan.
80's nostalgia was already big in the 2000's, from big movie adaptations of 80's cartoons to random retro game channels on youtube, it's crazy how it only got bigger into the 00's, though it morphed with 90's nostalgia for web 1.0. I think this is a byproduct of a younger generation growing up with people always yakking on about the 80's, but connecting more for the 90's.
I'm ready for early 00's nostalgia, my brand, of fabricated yugioh cards, cheap plastic like >>247280
, badly to questionably drawn American and French animesque shows. But there's nothing nostalgic about the latter half of that decade, at least not for the greater popular culture in this country. The magic of popular culture died in the latter half for me, and it coincides with the bombing of the economy.
Also, Bush should've been publicly hanged, along with the ones that follow
All I remember from the 2000s that has to do with real life was that queer eye show taking off and dudes my age becoming metrosexual faggots making me look like even more of an outcast when I went outside. My happy memories of that time all come from lurking forums.
Being an eternal student doesn't sound like such a terrible existence. My university years were the best ones of my life, since I mostly sat in my room playing old isometric RPGs and going for long walks around the city (which was on a small island) at night.
why do normalshitters love the 90s so much? i wasnt alive then but it really makes me hate the 90s
if you mean americans they're the younger millennials who were all too young to have fully experienced what a low IQ and frequently disgusting decade it was in practical terms so they're viewing it through the sentimental lens of childhood, really any decade is gonna seem like the Wonder Years if you were a kid during it, there were probably millions of people nostalgizing about growing up in the great depression years
There's also just a standard "grass is greener" effect. When the future/current looks dismal, the past will almost always look better.
that explains quite a lot
have been asking myself this question for some time now
why do hippies wannabe love to hate what's popular so much?
Are you calling him a hippie for that?
Columbine and 9/11 ruined so much, it's like the end of an era of innocence.
But the 80's and 90's are fairly objectively better in so many ways. The Cold War was coming to a close and it was a time of growth and prosperity for the US and many other countries in the West. There was a lot of hope for the future at least until 9/11 changed public mentality to one of fear and suspicion. Then came social media and normies flooding and centralizing the internet, then came political polarization.
I mean, I get a lot of people had bad experiences with the 90's, but that's more because growing up as a wizard is pretty damn hard regardless of what decade it is.
The difference between the 80s and 90s compared to the aughts and teens is that the former had hope.
but weren't the 90s the years of pure nihilism? From movies to music it was a nihilistic festival from what I remember. Grunge subculture was born and movies like Fight Club, Trainspotting and The Doom Generation were enjoyed by millions of teens and young men in their 20s
Nihilistic movies? The decade of saccharine fluff like Patch Adams, Forrest Gump, The Nutty Professor, Homeward Bound, Forever Young, the Eisner Disney classics, etc? Also, in music grunge may have been big in the first half of the decade, but the whole decade (especially the second half of it) was dominated by bubblegum boybands and pop stars in the mainstream. The decade was drenched in ham-fisted moralization and the nihilistic element you bring up was a sidelined reaction: the first glimmers of what would be the irony of the 2000s. That's my take on it.
Much like any decade the 2000s never actually left.
They just became harder and harder to pull off and access unless you grew up in them.
Which is kind of morbid since even their worst times are beginning to get topped in the present https://www.newamerica.org/political-reform/reports/politics-policymaking/covid-19-is-this-generations-911-lets-make-sure-we-apply-the-right-lessons/
this tv show was peak kino until scully got abducted and impregnated by aliens
What really made me interested in X-Files was the whole plot with Mulder's sister and her supposedly alien abduction and FBI higher-ups involvement in the whole thing. It was kind of frustrating at times because there were entire seasons with pretty much no developement for that story. I guess they figured once they explained what actually happened the show would be pretty much over. It's funny now because I don't even remember if they ever gave a proper conclusion to that. Maybe they developed the thing further in the movies which I never watched.
Those are not spoilers btw, if you're interested in watching it for yourself. That's the reason Mulder joins the FBI but as the show got more popular the main plot got lost somehow and pushed aside for long periods of time.
>>249123>being this rectally frustrated at a picture
precisely the peak autism and derailing that ruined this thread and this website. nice
In the one hand it’s stupid to act like only one x-files poster exists, but on the other hand I hate you for belittling someone about autism on fucking wizchan of all places.
aspies and autists belitting one another over having autism/asperbergers is a staple here
I don't really think this is ruined, yet someone is constantly moaning about normies and stuff instead of massively reporting them. When sapped and censored, they tend to flee, for they come from a mindhive
Was this written wrong on purpose for you are an unconstrained free thinker?
They all look so innocent and disease-free
fucking Mulder got so rich he insisted they move production to LA, how could you not see this coming? Aside X-Files ran out of steam with alien intrigue and the elimination of the syndicate. How can you keep assuming these organizations are all powerful when they keep getting thwarted by the protagonists. Then the supersolder nonsense was just stupid, its like their effects team was too cheap to actually make monsters any more.
Bush was a neocons wet dream. I hated him but I am willing to lend it to him he easily got manipulated by Chiney and Rove. People bitch about Trump but don't admit Rove laid the groundwork for his rise. It was amazing to watch how a terrorist attack catapulted Bush's presidency and people were saying shit like "you may not agree with his politics, but he is our president" or "you may disagree with the war, but I support our troops". All the while the media worshiped the ground Bush walked on while cheerleading he's imaginary wars. It didn't help that Saving Private Ryan came out at the same time to get Americans thinking they should intervene in everything for the greater good of humanity, while being obvious to its capitalistic and globalist exploitations. Its amazing now how the public somehow manages to elect the only anti-establishment candidate after the 2008 wallstreet bailouts and now the media just reports 24 hour outrage over Trump. I bet even if there was a 9/11 terrorist attack now the media would still be shitting on Trump, unlike when they were praising Bush and how we should all "get behind him, because he is our president".
the whole "his sister got abducted by aliens" plot line was stupid from the start. They were trying to give him a personal reason to be investigating aliens, rather than doing it out of pure belief that their were aliens. Having him obsessed with his sister was just incest gnomie propaganda.
>>249239>to get Americans thinking they should intervene in everything for the greater good of humanity
Turns out it actually was and the world became a much worse place when they stopped.
I have just been watching it from the beginning. Just finished season 8. It was catastrophic. The first few seasons are incredible, then there's a gradual decrease in quality, then at season 8 it turns into complete trash.
I never watched it when I was a kid but in the last couple of years I watched the whole series for the first time. The first season was amazing to me, maybe because I hadn't watched it before but it still looked fresh and the production quality was high. The technology use wasn't obtrusive in the first place so the occasional shots of early 90s computers didn't detract, though maybe that's because they still have a certain charm to me anyway.
In my opinion it went to shit after they moved the filming from Canada to Los Angeles. I think this coincided with the main plot just kind of running out, but in particular the physical setting of the show no longer suited the show at all (too sunny and dry) and neither did it fit the supposed locations of the various episodes (episodes set in "west virginia" featuring eucalyptus forests and dry heath, and so on) other than those with a west coast setting.
I remember watching anime on those shitty DivX players back in 2006-7 or so
The Iraq War and the Financial Crisis in the 2000s caused a snowball effect of problems that we never recovered from. I will not be surprised if WW3 starts next year.
yeah, so much for those retards' whole PNAC dream
Very few young western people have any respect for their countries. Why would they? If the government tries to draft us most will refuse. They know this.
I am glad that I am old enough where if they actually did try a draft I can tell them to suck a egg without spending time in jail.
call it what it is you two, stop using their evil euphemism
it's called enslavement
I don't feel nostalgic for the 2000s at all. It's when things started going down hill societally. 2000s is when socially media started to become popular, which in my opinion is the plague of the internet
I would love to go to war unironically
Let me hug a grenade and be at peace
I liked the internet in the 2000s.
IRL was fucking shit.
I miss Lucas and his crappy prequels. Oh how we shat all over his films. If only I knew just how much worse Star Wars would be under anyone else's direction.>>247972
I liked that film. It was a well made lighthearted adventure with a compelling theme. The rest of the series is a forced, confused mess but I think the first film earned its popularity.
Pros:>Technological advances were beyond fucking hyped. Every single milestone. The emergence of the iPod, and the succeeding generational models and variants - Having a stylish little portable music player that holds over tens to later on over a hundred gigs was a huge fucking deal. Each windows release, the jump in hardware developments/specifications every year or two.>The internet was at its golden age - normies were contained to AIM/MSN messager and myspace - every forum had its community of nonconformists and people who knew eachother - and there were so, so, so many established communities to get to know. And aside from the aforementioned normie sites/chat clients; the internet was largely populated by anti-corporate interests - people that took a more objective, ethical and budget minded take on products, media, culture, etc. as opposed for shilling for mainstream shit. Musical subcultures still existed; and people were free to gather and gatekeep against the bullies/douchebag mean succubi (unlike nowadays where you have to bend knees or else you are a crab/gatekeeper/autist/whatever flavor of the month buzzword)>Indie had it's initial taste of mainstream breakthrough. The strokes, death cab/the postal service, Modest Mouse, Peter Bjorn and John - sooooo many amazing feelgood indie bands and my gravitation towards the subculture. And the wave of indie chic film and cultural impact was amazing and gave myself a major tinge of optimism - humble living/fighting against corporate shallowness, an appreciation/acceptance for timidity and vulnerability, artsiness, the art of the thrift and bohemianism, aubrey plaza/mike cera films, wes anderson. It was finally becoming more mainstream to embrace this sort of idiosyncratic mindset and I was half-convinced that it may overtake the shallow, hypercapitalistic social darwinist mindset that's been all over for ages.>'Nerd chic' - which TBH was a double edged sword - negative aspect due to being the first stage of normies co-opting sperg culture and pushing us out/gaslighting actual nerds like we've witnessed in real time over the past decade. Regardless, it was refreshing that now Tech was a viable and attractive pursuit - even for succubi who see nerds as better than the sociopathic jerks (which was a near-impossible mindset prior) - so there was less bullying towards nonconformist nerds - especially given that you were attractive.>Most people were relatively stable and got along well post-high school - everyone accepted differences in political views/religious views and taste and didn't REEEEE over anything - even if they really disagree by a major metric.>TV and Film was picking up steam in quality from the mid-late 00's - reality TV was kind of declining and there were more consistent, theatrical and plot based series propping up. You still had a great metric of comedies, slice of lifey type movies, zombie thrillers (hot take, alot of peeps like to shit on em for being formulaic and basic, but I missed them lol) - and there were things to get hyped over unliked all the capeshit and cinematic universe garbage that's everywhere now>6th-7th generation gaming brought it alot of greats - but 7th gen especially inticed me IMO. Way more open games, Oblivion, FO3, all the breakthroughs in physics and graphics, gaming was still about being chill and having fun and the playerbases/communities (barring stuff like the COD kids who tossed slurs like nuts, and shit like runescape) were mellow and mature. Gaming wasn't dramafodder or a major political dramamachine like it turned into post-GG and when the online gamingsphere turned into reality TV 2.0 filled with thots, conflict, outrageous appearances and 'keeping with the joneses' grade shit. Everything still felt humble and fun at this time.>Little to no SJW presence. The left as a whole was still rational and chill; and was the easy winner and obvious choice in fighting against the warmongering fundies of the bush administration and republican party.>Online useage was still limited, and life in general still felt like 'life' - everything I see in the past 5 years is just crude, one dimensional memes and 'quirky' pictures nowadays and it drives me nuts, this is what culture is driven by nowadays.
Cons:>George Bush. Enough fucking said - the iraq war, the patriot act, absolute fucking mismanagement of everything on an economic and social level.>Music aside from indie was absolute dogshit as a whole. The Nu-Metal runoff of the early 00's, Pop music getting more superficial than ever before, Scenecore/Hot Topic-tier emo, contrived Pop Punk, hip hop largely entering a dark age (up until the ressurection by Kid Cudi and Kanye - and similar artists popping up in the latter half of the decade), Ringtone rap and crunk. The tapout-clad post grunge bullshit. Everything was largely about selling an aesthetic and cranking out MP3s/singles - no substance or decent sounds. Easily among the worst decades of music in history.>The superficial McMansion yuppie lifestyle and wannabe-reality TV star lifestyle was largely accelerating at a peak wave (Which was trending from the 80's-onward) - which snowballed into the great recession and amassing of crazy high credit debt.>Youth subculture aesthetics/art were corny as shit with the exception of indie.>The religious right was batshit insane - though even they seemed more tame compared to what you typically run into on both parties nowadays.
Tell me it's a pasta because this shit reeks of normalfag pop nerd thinking and is full of outsider language.
If your complaint is the tone and not whats actually being said, thats not really a legitimate critique.
I miss the mid to late 2000s back when YouTube wasn't a shit website full of sellout YouTubers and censorship.
>>236438>9/11 started modern troubles
America has been in decline since the 1970s. 9/11 was the final death blow.
It's kinda insane seeing liberals these days whitewashing Bush's legacy all because Trump doesn't have the mask of "respectablity" of the previous dicks in charge.
I mean I don't remember Trump starting the endless "war on terror". That alone should put him above war criminal George W Bush and yet that fucker was on the famed dyke Ellen Shos.
America has been in decline since before it was an independent nation. This thing was designed to fail.
>>254432>It's kinda insane seeing liberals these days whitewashing Bush's legacy
They're just milquetoast corporate TV liberals, they have no real principals or standards of their own. Ellen was assblasted for being chummy with Bush on social media, but that's social media.>I mean I don't remember Trump starting the endless "war on terror".
He certainly has fucking ended them. He was yo-yoing the number of troops and now just placed more and more in Syria after some supposed story of Russians paying people for American scalps. And don't forget the shit with fucking Iran. I hate people whitewashing Obama's trash years but even he handled Iran better.
Basically. I blame the Enlightenment.
Careful now, you will offend 90% of wizchan and 100% of the mods who are SJW zoomer crybabies.
I think it was a more naive time, although maybe that's just because I was younger.
The best thing I remember about that decade that really stands out was the Internet at the time. Newgrounds, Ebaumsworld, Totse, Funnyjunk, ytmnd, good youtube, ogrish, encyclopedia dramatica and uncyclopedia, forums for every interest, crappy security sites, geocities, golden age of pirating, classic runescape (real classic, with the 2-D character models), battle.net before blizzard turned gay, old 4chan with its more positive vibe, krautchan :_(. All bring back fun memories. The flood of high-quality content as funny stories, pictures, and videos built up over may decades surged across the net like a dam breaking. Not having to give away your full identity to get an account on some stupid site was nice and people and sites generally respected and valued anonymity. Better userbase because computers were still kind of stigmatized, so there was a higher proportion of civilized people, though still a great many doofuses. This post is turning into a dead Internet post and I apologize, but the Internet is what sticks out for me as being the only really exceptional aspect of the 2000s. Art was not much better or worse than in the 90s. Some good music, some good movies, but better in previous decades. Bush was a warmongering goofball. Obama started all the bullshit of this latest pc wave in '08. TV was still watchable but nothing special compared to previous decades. Evangelical Christians were a power bloc in the US and I remember a push for creationism which was pretty laughable.
The Internet of the 2000s was the best and I am happy I got to experience it. Now the Internet is not dead, definitely not, but it has grown into some kind of censorious panopticon for control freaks that is distasteful to me. There is still fun but it is not free fun: it feels fake, over-processed, and too soft-edged (the softness coming from the sensitivites of females who used to be a minority on the net). I want less and less to do with it. In the early 90s, veteran Usenet users decried the arrival of 'stupid' AOLers followed by WebTV users onto the net. I was a kid then and did not understand. Here I am now, matured and lamenting the evolutions of the net over the last decae and its degraded state infested dumbass narcisissts and gen z who don't carry on the old ways. This is how the Usenet users felt. In 20 years, the Internet will have evolved more, and the current young ones, having become the old ones will understand my current predicament as they wake up one day and notice that the beloved panopticon of their youthful rememberances has morphed into whatever comes next, which will be worse to them because it is not the same as it was before. Likely it will be actually worse. I wonder if people in cultures that don't suffer constant technological flux experience this. Ramble ramble ramble.
>>254798>soft-edge because of females
You know most of them are trannies right?
>>254798>Newgrounds, Ebaumsworld, Totse, Funnyjunk, ytmnd, good youtube, ogrish, encyclopedia dramatica and uncyclopedia
What the fuck, these were pure cancer.
>>254819>What the fuck, these were pure cancer.
Only in this day and age can you say something this hideously contrarian and wrong. Even ebaumsworld content thiefing is preferably today's content-stealing.
Dude, stop being toxic. I really miss newgrounds
Last I checked it still exists and still has all the old content to enjoy as well as a slow trickle of new content.
It ain't dead quite yet.
my favorite thing from the 2000's is smash bros melee
[Last 50 Posts]
Dont forget smart phones (and the whole 'smart'-revolution as a whole), social media (When the internet became a dopamine hotspot instead of a community/learning place) and big corporations ruling over people (although that happened before)