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 No.246533[View All]

This thread is for the civil discussion of anything towards a political nature, especially political ideology and current affairs.
https://wizchan.org/lounge/res/245707.html
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 No.247522

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>>247519
Only if you think left = liberals.

>>247521
I'd ask why, but I already know your reasoning for this is because you saw some screenshot of a website like statista where it showed whites are killed the most overall while ignoring that it also shows that blacks are killed more than other races each 1M people.

Then afterwards is the typical deflection:
>blacks killing cops
>other blacks
How is the former a problem? Blacks that kill cops go to prison. Can't say the same when the roles are reversed. Not only that, far more black people are killed by cops than cops killed in general.

And the other stupid talking point, "Did you know that races commit the most crimes among their own race?" Crazy, I never would've guessed. It's almost as if economically segregating your population over several years and people preferring to commit crime in the communities they live in leads to people committing a shitton of crime against their own race as evident by the fact that the white on white crime rate and such are just as high as the black on black crime rate. Not only that, black people talk about black on black crime all the time. There's plenty of orgs for it that have been around longer than you were out of the womb.

tl;dr the right loves to lie and dance around when they're called out because reactionary views break under the most tepid scrutiny. A given for range of worldviews that are held by either the ignorant or those who benefit from the ignorant existing

 No.247523

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>>247522
>the fact that the white on white crime rate and such are just as high as the black on black crime rate.
wrong

t. https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

 No.247524

>>247522
retard, black people are dumber on average because of evolution/genetics, this debate is so over.

 No.247526

>It's almost as if economically segregating your population over several years and people preferring to commit crime in the communities they live in leads to people committing a shitton of crime against their own race

So, even though it's fake news that blacks are more dangerous, it's racist for blacks to live generally around each other because blacks are so dangerous that they pose a disproportionate risk to each other, and that if more blacks got to live around whites then the black-on-white crime rate would increase because they would have better access to white victims.

>How is [blacks killing cops] a problem?

The epitome of black-worshipping communist 'morality' right here.

 No.247528

>>247523
Regardless, my main point that black on black crime is irrelevant to police brutality against black people and that black on black crime isn't some ignored thing still stands.

>>247526
>So, even though it's fake news that blacks are more dangerous, it's racist for blacks to live generally around each other because blacks are so dangerous that they pose a disproportionate risk to each other, and that if more blacks got to live around whites then the black-on-white crime rate would increase because they would have better access to white victims.

Is this supposed to be a coherent sentence? It's like you skimmed what I wrote and your brain prolapsed while typing.

>The epitome of black-worshipping communist 'morality' right here.

Rightoid incapable of reading past one sentence.

 No.247529

>>247528
I also loved how you called me a commie when it had nothing to do with the person I was talking to. Which isn't a surprise given this thread is filled with people who think libs are on the left and are working their way towards USSR Act 2.

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 No.247533

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 No.247534

https://twitter.com/PrisonPlanet/status/1274191165873586177

The far right has the most handsome men, and that is just a fact

 No.247535

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>>247528
Cop on black brutality is indeed disproportional. Maybe the reason cops are harsher on blacks is that blacks tend to be a more violent group. Perhaps both the police and blacks should be investigated and reformed. This "Other" group should be looked into too.

pic1: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ardppsrsm.pdf
pic2: https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/cv18.pdf

 No.247536

>>247532
>>247534
>find other men sexually attractive
We get it, you're gay.
>posts some literal who's twitter
Oh, a normal

 No.247537

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>>247535
What about it makes it disproportional? Blacks make up a lesser percent of the population, but if a black man goes his entire life without seeing a policeman, his chances of dying to one go down dramatically.
What if we did something like control for number of police encounters, to see if there's some kind of racism involved. We could use arrests as a normalising factor, a stand-in for police encounters.
Else you run into the trouble where whites are disproportionately killed by aircraft and having buildings collapse on them, and then concluding that aircraft and buildings are racist. Or… it is more likely for white people to be in giant buildings, or on airplanes. Or in boating accidents. If you're going to judge the risk to someone of an event, you have to control by the number of events, not by population, as there is no guarantee that it is proportionate otherwise.
Problem is when you do, you find out the disparity vanishes. Mostly, anyway. Whites, per arrest, have roughly the same chance of dying. Ergo the problem is not with police brutality, violence, or how they handle arrests, but in the rate at which they arrest people.
If you dig into that, you might find that they arrest people based on race more often. Racist arrest rates, for example.
How would you measure this? you would need a statistic for reported crime+suspect which then led to arrest. But reported crimes are full of biases, but really what else could we collect.
Really what the problem is, at heart, is that people who commit more crimes encounter police more often. This increases their chance of being dealt with lethally.

Another option for studying this could be to collect and monitor body cam footage. You categorise each arrest and collect what happens. For example; violent resistance, resisting arrest, etc. Although this isn't done either because it turns out that blacks resist arrest more often.

And yet per arrest the difference is minimal. The police being bad is a myth. Criminals being bad, oh we forget about THAT.

 No.247538

>>247537
Yes, I understand now and you are correct. Thanks for pointing out my mistake with the interpretation of the first table. I retract my first sentence of that post.

 No.247541

>>247505
Yeah they are if you actually think that the right is just fascism and nazism as you do. Also, the lawyer assigned to rayshard brooks said (under oath in court) that tazers were a lethal weapon and rayshard brooks attempted not once but TWICE to shoot Rolfe (one on the ground, and one while running) in the fucking face with it. He deserved every single bullet that cop lodged in him. Kill yourself nigger.

 No.247542

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hlealg/angry_mob_surrounds_a_methodist_pastor_for/

I love rural America, its the last place of traditional values and freedom of thought and body

 No.247543

>>247542
>reddit
fucking kill yourself. also reported

 No.247550

>>247535
And has cops being harsher on blacks done anything to stop the problem? No. High crime rates go down with the factors that motivate them do: poverty and other forms of systemic discrimination.

>>247541
>Yeah they are if you actually think that the right is just fascism and nazism as you do.

Quote me saying that. Also, nice pivot. I bring up police brutality against black people and rather than address what I said specifically you jump to this one case you think can get me on. Just like what I said in:

>the right loves to lie and dance around when they're called out because reactionary views break under the most tepid scrutiny


Anyway link me a source of him saying that because I've been searching for it and can't find anything like that. Regardless, it does nothing to disprove the juxtaposition of how in the hands of poorly trained cops tasers are nonlethal but when someone uses one on them it's now grounds for execution.

>Kill yourself nigger

Considering you're white and on wizchan you're far more likely to do that than me.

 No.247551

>>247550
It’s not about being harsher, it’s about being cautious.

 No.247552

>>247551
*lock up blacks more for weed even though they use it the same as whites*
just being cautious bro, don't look at and address the wider systemic problems that lead to the crime. If we lock up the 'bad guys' it'll go down in no time!

 No.247553

>>247552
You got some facts to back that up?

 No.247555

>>247552
Consider that weed is still illegal in southern states, you know the ones with the most blacks, compared to states where it is now legal.

 No.247557

>>247553
http://www.justicepolicy.org/uploads/justicepolicy/documents/vortex.pdf

>>247555
There's still far more white people than black people in southern states dumbass.

 No.247558

>>247557
I’d like to see if they get arrested more for use or for dealing it.

 No.247561

>>247552
And all this proves is that blacks are not as cautious when dealing with weed. Also, what about white vs black drug dealing??? Most people that get busted are not the customer, but are actually the provider.

 No.247563

>>247561
>proves is that blacks are not as cautious when dealing with weed
[CITATION NEEDED]

>Most people that get busted are not the customer, but are actually the provider.

[CITATION NEEDED]

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 No.247566

>>247563
No, you need to prove your claim first. That police officers are making arrests over race.

 No.247567

>>247563
>Most people that get busted are not the customer, but are actually the provider.
This one is just how the law is set up, at least in most states. Dealing is always a bigger offense than possession. Though it varies, and where I live it's 100% legal so it's a non-issue.

 No.247569

>>247565
Is this opinion piece supposed to disprove my point? Tasers are treated as lethal in the hands of citizens, but non-lethal when the oinks in blue shoot you in the head with them after you ask why you got pulled over.

>>247566
>Police officers are making arrests over race

Nice pivot and obfuscation of my point. My claim was that whites and blacks have/use weed at similar rates yet the latter is locked up for it far more than the former. I also linked a study that supports this. Now prove the claims you made. Oh wait you can't which is why you're asking me to prove something I already did

 No.247570

>>247563
That is just how it works I'm afraid. The justice department isnt, nor can it even possibly lock up millions upon millions of people over what is considered a misdemeanor and are more interested in cutting off the supply line at its knees.

 No.247571

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>dur why are we being incarcerated more
That study does not in any way account for people that were incarcerated for multiple charges. Nice propaganda though.

 No.247572

>>247569
>Tasers are treated as lethal in the hands of citizens, but non-lethal when the oinks in blue
Yes. In untrained hands it can be deadly.

 No.247573

>>247569
Are you an idiot? It being considered a deadly weapon in goergia is a fact not an opinion.

 No.247578

>>247550
>High crime rates go down with the factors that motivate them do: poverty and other forms of systemic discrimination.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circular_reasoning

 No.247581

>>247570
So you don't, gotcha.

>>247571
It explicitly states multiple times that it controls for crime rate among various other factors such as poverty and police budget. Christ you people are fucking stupid. This is what you sound like:
>Nice pictogram but those studies don't account for all the instances where whites were the aggressors nor does it account for prison violence!

If it's not something the study already addresses then it's something completely irrelevant. Here's an academic study vetted by other academics as is standardized practice and then we have anonymage on /wizpol/ that thinks the dumbfuck talking point he got from /pol/ is somehow an actual criticism for a study he most likely didn't look at, let alone read. I'm just waiting for you to bring up how academia is run by the ebil cowporate maxcist joooz just to cement that you retards will jump to anything to reaffirm your contradictory feelings (and I call them feelings because that's all they are) has some bearing on actual state of affairs.

>>247572
Crazy, we need to take the away from cops then considering how poorly trained they are.

>>247573
Pluck the worms out of your brain. I called it an opinion piece because that's literally what it is, I'm not referring to the actual law about tasers in Georgia. I know the right is incapable of reading comprehension but holy shit.

>>247578
Please explain how "X is caused by Y and Z. So it follows Y and Z being removed would stop X from happening" is the same as "X is Y because it's X" fucking retard

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>>247581
forgot

 No.247583

>>247578
Reminds me of that moment in the Hjenervask documentary, where it's clear that the sociologists are not interested in doing science.

 No.247586

>>247581
>It explicitly states multiple times that it controls for crime rate among various other factors such as poverty and police budget.
No yours is actually just a talking point. Where im that entire propaganda piece did it talk about blacks (who got caught with illegal drugs) also account for these same blacks that got prosecuted for other charges? Until I see it I will view it as propaganda nothing more nothing less. Oh, and take your adhoms back to reddit retard.

 No.247588

>violent ape is violent
>has weed in his pocket
>turns out more blacks are prosecuted
>OMG SYSTEMIC RACISM
LMAOOOOOO

 No.247589

>>247586
>no u
>asking a question to something I already answered at the start

and it'd only be adhoms if i called you a retard without making an argument, retard.

 No.247590

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>>247581
You asked for when he said that and then you come at me with irrelavent garbage.
>I called it an opinion piece because that's literally what it is
And it was Paul Howards opinion (just 3 weeks prior to the killing of Rayshard Brooks) that tasers were in fact a deadly weapon when officers fired their weapons into violent protesters in Atlanta, Goergia. Why the sudden change? Could it be that this lawyer is a lying sack of shit and he's just saying this because the person that was killed was black?
>I'm not referring to the actual law about tasers in Georgia
So, you're admitting that Rolfe should unlawfully be charged with murder? Opinion discarded.

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 No.247596

>>247512
You aren't going to get too many people around here to speak about the destruction gibs causes even if it's true.
The pull of "free money" is just to strong, even for wizards.

 No.247602

>>247590
If only you posted this from the start instead some shitty opinion piece that briefly mentions it. Got the full length of that discussion?

>So, you're admitting that Rolfe should unlawfully be charged with murder?


Are you telling me there's no juxtaposition in how tasers are treated as a non-lethal way to deal with someone while also being treated as lethal at the same time? Stop pivoting from my point and answer it.

>>247596
If welfare is so destructive why are the nordic welfare states so prosperous despite them? It's almost as if there's underlying economic issues that are actually the problem.

 No.247603

>>247592
Reminder Crowder refuses to debate Sam Seder and got blown up by a teenage nazbol and cried about it because the kid called him autistic.

 No.247604

>>247602
Yeah, tbh, I have no clue why this site is so pro-nuclear family and anti-welfare when gibs are the best for people who don't like socializing.

Promoting birth control and making sure succubi have the pill earlier on would do more to reduce unplanned kids and the social costs from that in addition to keeping abortion accessible.

 No.247607

>>247603
The function of a debate is to convince an audience, not your opponent. It's completely antithetical to the sort of conversation style that Crowder has in his videos, where his goal is usually to convince his conversation partner or at least get them to explain to him what their position is and why they disagree with him. So it doesn't surprise me that someone who is not a debater and who doesn't claim to be a debater wouldn't want to engage in a formal debate. If Seder wanted to look at when Crowder was scheduled to have one of his events and engage him in conversation there I doubt he'd have a problem with it.

 No.247609

>>247607
And Crowder's videos of him literally asking people to debate him on issues that he uploads to his millions of followers isn't convincing an audience? It's no different than what Shapiro does, except at least Shapiro uploads the entire thing instead of carefully choosing footage of the people shittiest at arguing.

>look at when Crowder was scheduled to have one of his events


Crowder has a schedule of all his events set up in advance? Because from what I've heard he doesn't announce where he is until he's there. I doubt someone like Seder has the time to fly across the country at a moments notice rather than having a set time and place.

 No.247610

>>247609
>And Crowder's videos of him literally asking people to debate him
No. The purpose of a debate is to convince an audience and "win". If you watch his videos you see that he's not structuring his conversation that way.
>except at least Shapiro uploads the entire thing instead of carefully choosing footage of the people shittiest at arguing.
What? Crowder's videos are unedited, most of the people he interviews come off as regular people who are possibly not used to articulating their points. Obviously if some crazy person starts yelling at him though he's going to call attention to that because it's interesting, but he doesn't just cut out the rest.

 No.247637

>>247610
>The purpose of a debate is to convince an audience and "win"
If you don't think that's the purpose of a video series were Crowder literally argues with random people and only chooses the instances where he looks better then there's not much else to say.

>Crowder's videos are unedited

Do you really think that 17min vid didn't come from a shitton of other footage that they had from throughout the day? It's the same with videos like "Americans can't name the 13 colonies" they go around asking people all day and stitch together footage of all the dumbasses to paint the picture they want. This isn't new.


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