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 No.250136[Last 50 Posts]

I fucking hate people who think that overpopulation is a problem in the first world, and think that insane, immoral, fascist measures should be taken to combat it. I know a few people who argue (against anti-abortion me) that abortion should be legal/mandatory because of overpopulation. It's the most asinine thing because overpopulation is not even close to being a problem in the West. Our population would be dropping without immigration. What really makes me angry is that these people think this will be at all convincing that abortion is an alright thing to do. Even if I didn't believe that overpopulation is always going to be made a non-issue by technological advancements, how the fuck is genocide (they know this is what I see abortion as) an at all moral answer? If overpopulation actually starts killing people, then why would these population control people even care? If we reach our carrying capacity, some people will starve and it'll all even out, but if some technology increases our carrying capacity, we'll be golden for the next little while again. If we committed genocide so that fewer people would starve, and then it turns out that it wasn't necessary, then they'd have perpetrated the single most idiotic mass-murder in history.

"To solve the problems of overpopulation and pollution, extermination shall become the common denominator of politics to come, and nature shall join in adding it to ours the end of the century shall see the triumph of death, the world overburdened with men shall discharge the surplus deadweight of living things."

~Albert Caraco

 No.250138

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 No.250140

>>250136
use auto translate CC

 No.250144

humans are no better than fucking rats, they brag about being oh so evolved but the moment their share of resources go up they do the malthusian thing and then we all gotta pay the price, instead of going "WHOA I'm loaded now, lemme use it to enhance my life"…or anything else, their first damn reaction is "WhOA I'm loaded now, let's spawn another clutch of little shitlets!"

fucking people, if only you could kill them like any other vermin

 No.250146

>>250144
I was privy to a conversation the other day where a male normgroid referred to his son as "mini-me"

 No.250147

>>250146
>Privy
Fancy sounding word. This is how British people talk

 No.250148

>>250147
Not british, it just seemed more appropriate over saying "I heard a conversation the other day…"

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 No.250155

>>250146
well…why not? that's essentially what they are to humans, and what they would call the little bastards if they were being honest
>>250149
not clicking, don't zoomerpost at me

 No.250157

Human race is a poison to this planet. Each increase of carrying capacity will come at the cost of more damage to the ecosystem. Each new field or housing unit comes at the cost of whatever it was that occupied the space before, each increase of fishing efforts kills the ocean a little more, every new human produces his own lifetime worth of trash, etc. At some point, should the increase of numbers continue forever, we will inevitably find ourselves to be living on a dead, toxic rock. Also fuck people in general - the less of them exist, the less of them i will have to come in contact with.
>Itll even out
Or, you know, something cataclysmic happens (such as a complete collapse of a society orders of magnitude more dependent on the establishment than what we have now) and everybody dies, not just those "extra".

 No.250158

>anti-abortion
so you're a life cultist?

 No.250161

>>250158
I'm generally against mothers murdering their children.

 No.250162

>>250161
ah a fellow Christian

 No.250164

Pretty much every problem we have is the result of the current, extreme overpopulation.

Every has become extremely competitive because there are too many people. Resources become scarcer per-person and we end up cramped into dense living situations, with not much good land. Even if the land is there, it takes decades to develop infrastructure. It is trivial to see that supply and demand dictates that the value of each human life decreases as there are more people. We are at the point where we are displacing the rest of the living world with an the 'anthropocene' extinction.

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>>250158
NO im a pro genodice and murder.

 No.250193

>>250158
There's some antinatalists who think not getting pregnant is better than do it and abort though

 No.250195

>>250193
Of course it's better. Not only you are a whore, you're supporting the jewish murder industry.

 No.250196

A fetus is not a person
Anti abortioners are mostly religious nuts or virgins that are jealous of people having free sex

 No.250202

>>250195
the fewer mini-me's the better

you don't make anything better by adding brats to it

 No.250204

>>250192
Somehow I doubt that you'd be fine with it if someone broke into your room and started trying to murder you.

 No.250205

>>250196
>u'r a virgin and just jealous that I have sex !!
wizchad 2020

 No.250207

>>250205
Did I say that?

 No.250208

>>250196
Why not? It's biologically a human being. It's alive. Once it can think, can generate brain waves, I can't see any delimiter between the fetus and the infant that it's just completely arbitrary. Are you really going to say that spatial location determines whether or not a thinking human life has rights?

 No.250209

>>250196
>assuming he knows what a fetus is

Have a look, first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fiNH70Gl

>>250208

Some feminists claim for abortion even if still has some days before being born. Would you trust likely minds?

 No.250210

>>250204
100/100 painless why would i mind

 No.250211

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>>250207
Lol. How often do you see wizards, butthurt that some purely hypothetical law might dry up their supply of holes, post accusations that people who disagree with them are virgins jealous of them having promiscuous sex?
Harlot or normalfag, take your pick.

 No.250213

>>250208
throwing a lot of scientificy sounding words in there doesn't mean a week old popcorn shrimp is sapient

 No.250217

>>250213
So we're using sapience as a metric now? Newborns aren't sapient either, you know this right? Are you fine with killing newborns and infants?

 No.250219

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>>250196
whether you agree with it or not, anti-abortion activists didn't come up with the idea that embryos and fetuses are humans too out of thin air; it's a well established scientific concept that only gets disputed when talking about abortion.
see pic related, it's from the Carnegie stages.

 No.250220

>>250219
>it's a well established scientific concept
so is the doomvirus

 No.250226

>>250220
OK retard.

 No.250230

>>250219
You are looking at it wrong. Think of it like this:
Given a succubus that doesnt want any children, she either:
- practices birth control properly for the entire duration of her life, therefore no child ever comes out of her.
- fucks up at some point, gets abortion, no child ever comes out of her.
Now tell me, whats the difference if the result is the same?

 No.250235

>>250230
The difference is in one case she's murdering a child.

 No.250237

>>250230
>You are looking at it wrong. Think of it like this:
i'm not looking at anything, i'm just laying out science. you may argue in favor of abortion, but you can't deny that the fetus is a human

 No.250241

Abortions are okay because unwanted babies shouldn't be forced into this world if their moms aren't willing to take care of them.
Life is inherent suffering so antinatalism is very wizardly.
Overpopulation is definitely a big environmental issue. It's not just about how much land there is to live on, or how much food we can produce. What's more important is for how many more generations this kind of civilization can sustain itself with the resources available without collapsing the various ecosystems that make up our planet.

 No.250243

>>250241
Legalize killing neonates, toddlers, children, adolescents, adults as well?

 No.250244

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lmao instead taking away people's freedom and trying to regulate their personal lives why don't you take care of children in need? The best birth rate reducer is economic and social development.

With so much suffering and corruption in the world to deal with, you go and meddle in the lives of people who are miserable enough, and force them to shit out babies to prolong the cycle of suffering and worsen things even more.

No one chooses to be conceived and to be born in this world. Even if a person ends up happy, you are taking away the gift of oblivion and never having to live. Non-existance is simply a better choice, and people who take it away deserve to be executed.

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Maybe a public execution like Cioran said of pregnant succubi would be better than just abortion and would make sure the succ wouldn't impose either ever again

 No.250247

>>250235
How can you kill that which has no life? Fetuses can't think or breath or even play video games yet so they're not a human life. Is stepping on bugs murder? Because there are many insects smarter than a fetus.

Also, a great deal of conscious animals are slaughtered to extract some of the hormone needed to develop birth control / morning after pills, so death is more so involved that way except the poor succubus doesn't get shamed for being the one doing the killing.

 No.250249

>>250247
Fetuses can think though. They have measurable brain waves. They can feel pain. If you acknowledge that killing a thinking human life is murder regardless of whether it is inside a womb or not then we agree. I don't care about killing those pre-brain zygotes.

 No.250251

>>250243
Sure why not? Euthanasia for the whole family.

 No.250267

>>250247
>How can you kill that which has no life?
the fetus is demonstrably alive; they'd not develop if they weren't.
your criteria for describing humans as alive or not is faulty. there are humans alive that can't currently think (eg. under general anesthesia) who would have to be considered "dead" if we used your definition. fetuses do breathe by engaging in gas exchange via the placenta. otherwise, respiration and metabolism wouldn't happen thus they'd not develop. there are humans alive that can't mediate gas exchange by themselves who are dependent on ventilators (eg. prolonged apnea); likewise, they'd have to be considered "dead" using your definition.
can't play video games? lol
>Is stepping on bugs murder? Because there are many insects smarter than a fetus.
no, murder is unlawful homicide. it has nothing to do with sentience.

 No.250272

>>250247
The nervous system gets formed meanwhile, so they should be able to feel after some stages. What for a quick way of determining things, you.

Also these animals dead are used to feed us all. Don't compare.

 No.250278

>>250202
That's battling effect, not the cause.

 No.250280

>>250247
>Fetuses can't think or breath or even play video games yet so they're not a human life.
Neither can someone who had a motorcycle accident and is connected to a respirator while in a coma. Abortion is the first stage on slippery slope, and somewhere along that slope are Wizards. I only support abortion if they absolutely gut the female's genitals to make sure she'll never need one again, and father's too, for good measure.

 No.250302

>>250272
My ass.

 No.250310

>>250136
What a dumpster fire of a thread

 No.250313

>>250310
Show me a better thread written by you.

 No.250314

>>250313
I have a few of them in the catalogue, though i can hardly expect quality to be recognised by the likes of you

 No.250316

>>250314
no pics, didn't happen

 No.250317

>>250310
>dumpster fire
Go back to reddit

 No.250318

>>250136
>>250138
Simpletons. The fact that overpopulation isn't a problem NOW doesn't mean that will always be the case. Fertility rates in Western countries among White people will inevitably rise again. You can already see the breeder transition start to happen in France. People with a predisposition to control their breeding will be weeded out of the gene pool, while "breeders" like religious fundamentalists will eventually become the majority of the population. It's mindboggling how people still can't grasp the extremely simple concept of natural selection.

https://www.unz.com/akarlin/breeders-revenge/

>Then the worm turned. German fertility plummeted after World War I, and even the Nazis with their “Kinder, Küche, Kirche” rhetoric were unable to force a recovery to peak Weimar levels. Meanwhile, the French – long derided for “race decay” by the Anglo-Saxons and the Germans – started to make more babies. Ironically, this began during the Vichy period, at the trough of France’s fortunes, and spread to the rest of the country after 1945; the French have been much more fertile than the Germans ever since. Whereas one 1920s League of Nations demographic projection saw the French population falling from 40 million to 29 million by 1970, it instead soared and now stands at 65 million.

 No.250319

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>>250136
>how the fuck is genocide (they know this is what I see abortion as) an at all moral answer?
Because life sucks and is not worth living

 No.250324

>>250319
Jyst because you hate life doesn't give you the right to murder other people. Just kill yourself and quit projecting your issues onto others.

 No.250326

>>250324
Just because you love life doesn't give you the right to force people into it. Just castrate yourself and quit dragging new souls into hell against their will.

 No.250335

>>250324
Idiot, abortion may or may not be concidered murder but giving birth is 100% murder since we know that the person being brought here will die.

 No.250336

>>250335
Is eating considered suicide since the person who eat will die? What kind of idiot are you?

 No.250337

>>250336
false analogy idiot. birthing brings death. eating is for nurishment and might bring suicide if we eat poison or anything harmful, but thats specific. You don't have a logical brain. go read philosophy 101 idiot and what makes an argument. It's frustrating talking to idiots like you.

 No.250338

life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease

 No.250339

>>250337
> birthing brings death
> eating is for nurishment
How about birthing brings life and eating is prolong your suffering if you're a loser?

 No.250342

>>250314
Non of them include the face or qoutes of Albert caraco.

 No.250343

>>250339
>birthing brings life
true and life is the main condition for death. That's my whole point. no life = no death. It's not hard

 No.250344

>>250140
Caraco thread

 No.250347

>>250339
>birthing brings life
implying that life is a good thing

we really gotta unpack this horseshit

 No.250349

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I think overpopulation is a thing.
I recall reading that if you want everyone to live a first-world life AND be environmentally sustainable, the population should be around 2 billion. I think this is a good number. Much better than 15 billion living in poverty. Human population was around 2 billion just 100 years ago, having current numbers of humans at one time is a very modern thing. We can absolutely just shrink back to 2 billion with little effect except economic (i.e. the retarded debt hole we dug ourselves).
I think technology and feminism has greatly contributed to the decline of fertility rates in first world countries.
I think that fertility rates in the west are only as high as they are due to first and second generation immigrants, the whites fertility rates in countries such as UK are around 1.3 per succubus, noticeably lower than the UK average of 1.8.
I think the same will eventually happen in Africa and India as they become richer and more educated. But before then, there will be a lot of difficulties with food security and immigration.
I do think that the population should drop down naturally to 2 billion through the things mentioned above rather than forced population controls.
I think it's hypocrisy that the same people calling for whites to have less children are the same that are welcoming immigrants to increase our population.
I think the main driver of immigration and population increase policies in western countries is economic, our economy depends on increasing population to service debt and artificially fuel economic growth.
Related, I do think that births should be at least regulated to stop unwanted pregnancies from happening in the first place (like having a sort of mandatory contraceptive injection except when you actually plan to have a child). I also think fertilised eggs should be scanned for severe disabilities (because speaking from experience, I believe it is cruel to demand a disabled person to go through life just to make yourself feel morally better). But this is more for the benefit of parents/child/society than for population control.
But I do not think we should just keep increasing our population, even if we can through technology/science. There are more difficulties to this than just resources, such as politics, wealth, privacy, stress, social/community dynamics, government interference/control/regulation, etc.

One way or another, I do think it will sort it self out. It will likely be painful though.
But I don't really care because I will be long dead.

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 No.250351

>>250347
says the guy who chooses to continue to exist everyday

 No.250352

>>250351
It's not a choice. Nothing is.

 No.250356

>>250352
wow so I guess any talk of what people "should" do is completely pointless
also it's stupid to place blame on people for reproducing since it's not a choice

 No.250357

I fucking hate people that just accept living in crowded commie blocks like it's an acceptable living standard. These cockroaches that deem any kind of existence as okay as long as it is an existence should have no fucking say in anything. You have no principles, you don't care about anything. Shut the fuck up and die.

 No.250358

>>250356
you're correct

 No.250359

>>250356
Exactly.
However, we don't blame a fire but we still extinguish it. And one of the methods of extinguishing reproduction involves talking about it. Not hard to grasp is it?

 No.250360

>>250359
How can we extinguish anything if it's impossible to make the choice to do the extinguishing?

 No.250361

>>250360


Poor Japan :(

They are a puppet state of evil imperialist America and it's lazy, immoral people

 No.250372

>>250357
Where else are we supposed to live?
Are you enjoying your beverly hills mansion or something?

 No.250391

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 No.250392

>>250391
What is at the back of that shack?

 No.250393


 No.250394

>>250391
>>250393
Is there any youtube video of one like this being built?
I keep seeing A-frame shacks being popular, but not this style.
Can someone build this single handedly?

 No.250400

>>250391
I'd hate to live there. I'd always be in constant fear of finding venomous spiders, snakes, scorpions etc.

 No.250403

>>250400
Yeah the innawoods larp is kinda ridiculous. I understand wanting to leave society behind but I also very much enjoy having electricity.

 No.250404

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 No.250462

>>250196
"fetus" means baby in latin. A baby contains all the genes of what makes a person and the potential for something greater.

The only reason why think otherwise because you were simply trained to like a good, little pet.

 No.250489

>>250140
>>250144
>overpopulation argument for abortion
I agree Anon, it's a stupid argument and as a whole the population of the US is decreasing with lower fertility rates. Although I don't like blacks as much as the next person they are people too and having a crowded town doesn't justify ending a life. It's analogous to the boomer mentality of "fuck you, I got mine, I'm already born".

 No.250490

>>250462
It's just a fact that Canada & the US are not overpopulated. Obviously, other countries are overpopulated, but there is no reason we should shoulder their burden and produce fewer people. Preserving Western values & culture is essential for liberty's survival, and there's a limit to the amount of immigrants we can take in before that becomes impossible. It's not our problem if other countries do dumb shit, and we absolutely should not hurt ourselves in order to compensate for the problems they are creating for themselves.

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>>250138
It'll solve itself. If they reach carrying capacity, there'll be a die-off, and then the cycle will repeat. It's completely natural, and there's no reason for the West to fuck itself over to temporarily ease the overpopulation of the third-world.

 No.250509

Overpopulation isn't a problem per se but I think population density and inequality are, my suggestion to anyone thinking of where to live would be some place that isn't too population dense (like a lot of American cities) but at the same time not too rural and spread out that it's inconvenient and the quality of services suffer

 No.250512

>>250509
Yeah that’s a hard line to walk. I personally find suburbs to be the best, but the people there are honestly more normgroid than either city or rural. I think they key is in the geographic location. High latitudes tend to be better as people stay in more and services are expected to be robust.

 No.250563

>>250512

if you math-check wikipedia data for "hurr durr overpopulation" you will see very bizarre things in the 2001-2018 arc:
- African succubi rated no less than 6.2 children each (that is, if one in three dies before giving birth, then the other two shall jump to 9.3)
- Europe and USA increasing like it was more than 2.0 (everyone knows actual mean is literally below 1.0)
- highest values registered in places where you cannot effectively measure it (US clinics would rather laugh if someone presented absurdly high values)
- one billion people born out of nowhere in less than 20 years.

TLDR: overpopulation is a myth. (((They))) are pushing it like there's no tomorrow. You should conservatively assume actual world population is less than half than the officially claimed.

Also, the overpop myth was all about food and energy resources… calculated before the technological and industrial revolutions.

 No.250568

>>250563
That's BS, overpopulation is relative as the migrant hoards have flooded into London before the drawbridge was raised, now this island will rot from inside as the hoards reproduce

 No.250603

>>250568
how are any of these bizarre other than the way youre presenting the information?

yes, african succubi are projected to birth an average of 6 kids through their lifetimes. this is on a continent of 1+ billion people with essentially no useage of contraceptives and where abortion is essentially illegal.

the populations of europe and the us are actually increasing because of immigration, but of course dipshits like you will say that the fertility rate is less than 2.0 so theres GOT to be less people. and no the mean is not "literally below 1.0" for any country

dont even know what the fuck youre trying to say with the 3rd point

theres about to be another 1 billion born out of the pre-exisiting 7.5 billion in the next 10 years

 No.250610

>>250568
Birth rates decline as a nation gets industrialized and the cost of living skyrockets this is happening in China & India right now.Europe is importing hordes of black & brown because the elites know the birthrate of the native population is too low to sustain civilization & they want to create discord & infighting between immigrant hordes & native population so they can push their agendas more easily, this also misdirects the native populations feelings of rage & opposition towards immigrants/minorities and the position of ruling classes remains secure.

A good example of this strategy can be seen in the recent BLM protest movement vs Corona lock-down protests, people were only allowed to protest the thing that promotes the agendas of the status quo all opposition against them is censored.They let one portion of the population to riot & chimpout while supressing the other causing the suppressed people to become angry as their cities burn ,this anger is now directed through the media(fanning the flames of race war) towards the people chimping out & the status quo gets away with their covid new normal tyranny.

>>250603
The fertility rate is declining in most countries due pollution & cellphone radiation, as I mentioned before birth rates decline as a nation gets industrialized & more industrialization leads to more pollution,radiation & increased cost of living.succubi in education and in the workforce, combined with the availability of contraception will led to a fall in fertility rates further.This is a serious issue in china they not only stopped their one child policy they are planing for one succubus & 2 husbands policy as one family unit as they face a demographic implosion in the near future.
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/07/researchers-say-earth-is-headed-for-jaw-dropping-population-decline/


The population explosion was myth propagated by the global elite in order to push their green new deal socialism
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2016/11/shopping-i-can-t-really-remember-what-that-is/

 No.250611

>>250610
What is the best thing we can do about this to you think?
Since it's too late to cleanse the scorched earth, what exactly can we do? I'm not enjoying this

 No.250612

>>250611
Cut off all welfare and let the stupid breeders starve to death.

 No.250629

>>250611
The problem is self solving, as >>250491 pointed out. The problem is how do you survive it as an individual.

 No.250690

>>250326
>just castrate yourself
you can be celibate and non-procreative without having to mutilate your anatomy you know

 No.251102

Overpopulation is a myth perpetuated by the uber-wealthy to sell the notion that it's the fault of the average person for all the world's problems when in reality things such as climate change and world hunger are a result of corporations outputting most of the pollution and food being poorly distributed because it isn't profitable to do so.

 No.251126

>>251102
>Overpopulation is a myth
Did not read even a single character more

 No.251132

>>251126
It quite literally is a myth.

It has always been a hypothetical problem that we are supposed to face at some point in the future that never comes.
It wasn't a thing in the past, isn't a thing now, and won't be a thing in the future going by global trends in population growth and resource production.

It is a bit like waiting for the end of oil to cause a global collapse.

 No.251256

>>251132
>It quite literally is a myth.
Not even one word extra entered my vision

 No.251262

>>251256
Well you are welcome to be willfully ignorant and stick your head in the sand from any information that might challenge your world view. Just know that you choose the path of the fool and are now wrong on purpose.

 No.251263

>>251126
>>251256
>wtf stop contradicting things I've learned from youtube pop sience videos

 No.251287

>>251263
nice samefagging, but you are literally contradicting math that a middle-schooler could understand, so whatever you say is irrelevant

 No.251288

>>251287
>nice samefagging
no
>you are literally contradicting math that a middle-schooler could understand
even your assumption that population size is a technical matter is ideological bullshit

 No.251374

>>251288
You are beyond help if you can't see the link between math and overpopulation

 No.251377

>>251374
The premises behind the math are incorrect as is the conclusions.
Population growth doesn't work logarithmically. Someone sharting out equations that aren't based on reality have no value and have been proven wrong over and over again.

 No.251635

>>251377
It's just a fact that Canada & the US are not overpopulated. Obviously, other countries are overpopulated, but there is no reason we should shoulder their burden and produce fewer people. Preserving Western values & culture is essential for liberty's survival, and there's a limit to the amount of immigrants we can take in before that becomes impossible. It's not our problem if other countries do dumb shit, and we absolutely should not hurt ourselves in order to compensate for the problems they are creating for themselves.

 No.251636

>>251102
what's interesting about overpopulation is that the rich are the people complaining about it and the people who benefit most from it. it's not poor pieces of shit going "theres so many people what does this mean for me" it's people with comfortable lives, and ultimately the solution for any overpopulation question would be culling the poor not the rich, but being rich just means you have a life that is supported by poor people, like how every first worlders life would get a lot harder if all the people in the third world disappeared.

 No.251700

If overpopulation ever became a real threat it would solve itself so damn quickly.


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