I fucking hate people who think that overpopulation is a problem in the first world, and think that insane, immoral, fascist measures should be taken to combat it. I know a few people who argue (against anti-abortion me) that abortion should be legal/mandatory because of overpopulation. It's the most asinine thing because overpopulation is not even close to being a problem in the West. Our population would be dropping without immigration. What really makes me angry is that these people think this will be at all convincing that abortion is an alright thing to do. Even if I didn't believe that overpopulation is always going to be made a non-issue by technological advancements, how the fuck is genocide (they know this is what I see abortion as) an at all moral answer? If overpopulation actually starts killing people, then why would these population control people even care? If we reach our carrying capacity, some people will starve and it'll all even out, but if some technology increases our carrying capacity, we'll be golden for the next little while again. If we committed genocide so that fewer people would starve, and then it turns out that it wasn't necessary, then they'd have perpetrated the single most idiotic mass-murder in history.
"To solve the problems of overpopulation and pollution, extermination shall become the common denominator of politics to come, and nature shall join in adding it to ours the end of the century shall see the triumph of death, the world overburdened with men shall discharge the surplus deadweight of living things."
humans are no better than fucking rats, they brag about being oh so evolved but the moment their share of resources go up they do the malthusian thing and then we all gotta pay the price, instead of going "WHOA I'm loaded now, lemme use it to enhance my life"…or anything else, their first damn reaction is "WhOA I'm loaded now, let's spawn another clutch of little shitlets!"
fucking people, if only you could kill them like any other vermin
I was privy to a conversation the other day where a male normgroid referred to his son as "mini-me"
Fancy sounding word. This is how British people talk
Not british, it just seemed more appropriate over saying "I heard a conversation the other day…"
well…why not? that's essentially what they are to humans, and what they would call the little bastards if they were being honest>>250149
not clicking, don't zoomerpost at me
Human race is a poison to this planet. Each increase of carrying capacity will come at the cost of more damage to the ecosystem. Each new field or housing unit comes at the cost of whatever it was that occupied the space before, each increase of fishing efforts kills the ocean a little more, every new human produces his own lifetime worth of trash, etc. At some point, should the increase of numbers continue forever, we will inevitably find ourselves to be living on a dead, toxic rock. Also fuck people in general - the less of them exist, the less of them i will have to come in contact with.
>Itll even out
Or, you know, something cataclysmic happens (such as a complete collapse of a society orders of magnitude more dependent on the establishment than what we have now) and everybody dies, not just those "extra".
so you're a life cultist?
I'm generally against mothers murdering their children.
ah a fellow Christian
Pretty much every problem we have is the result of the current, extreme overpopulation.
Every has become extremely competitive because there are too many people. Resources become scarcer per-person and we end up cramped into dense living situations, with not much good land. Even if the land is there, it takes decades to develop infrastructure. It is trivial to see that supply and demand dictates that the value of each human life decreases as there are more people. We are at the point where we are displacing the rest of the living world with an the 'anthropocene' extinction.
There's some antinatalists who think not getting pregnant is better than do it and abort though
Of course it's better. Not only you are a whore, you're supporting the jewish murder industry.
A fetus is not a person
Anti abortioners are mostly religious nuts or virgins that are jealous of people having free sex
the fewer mini-me's the better
you don't make anything better by adding brats to it
Somehow I doubt that you'd be fine with it if someone broke into your room and started trying to murder you.
>>250196>u'r a virgin and just jealous that I have sex !!
Why not? It's biologically a human being. It's alive. Once it can think, can generate brain waves, I can't see any delimiter between the fetus and the infant that it's just completely arbitrary. Are you really going to say that spatial location determines whether or not a thinking human life has rights?
>>250196>assuming he knows what a fetus is
Have a look, first: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fiNH70Gl>>250208
Some feminists claim for abortion even if still has some days before being born. Would you trust likely minds?
100/100 painless why would i mind
Lol. How often do you see wizards, butthurt that some purely hypothetical law might dry up their supply of holes, post accusations that people who disagree with them are virgins jealous of them having promiscuous sex?
Harlot or normalfag, take your pick.
throwing a lot of scientificy sounding words in there doesn't mean a week old popcorn shrimp is sapient
So we're using sapience as a metric now? Newborns aren't sapient either, you know this right? Are you fine with killing newborns and infants?
whether you agree with it or not, anti-abortion activists didn't come up with the idea that embryos and fetuses are humans too out of thin air; it's a well established scientific concept that only gets disputed when talking about abortion.
see pic related, it's from the Carnegie stages.
>>250219>it's a well established scientific concept
so is the doomvirus
You are looking at it wrong. Think of it like this:
Given a succubus that doesnt want any children, she either:
- practices birth control properly for the entire duration of her life, therefore no child ever comes out of her.
- fucks up at some point, gets abortion, no child ever comes out of her.
Now tell me, whats the difference if the result is the same?
The difference is in one case she's murdering a child.
>>250230>You are looking at it wrong. Think of it like this:
i'm not looking at anything, i'm just laying out science. you may argue in favor of abortion, but you can't deny that the fetus is a human
Abortions are okay because unwanted babies shouldn't be forced into this world if their moms aren't willing to take care of them.
Life is inherent suffering so antinatalism is very wizardly.
Overpopulation is definitely a big environmental issue. It's not just about how much land there is to live on, or how much food we can produce. What's more important is for how many more generations this kind of civilization can sustain itself with the resources available without collapsing the various ecosystems that make up our planet.
Legalize killing neonates, toddlers, children, adolescents, adults as well?
How can you kill that which has no life? Fetuses can't think or breath or even play video games yet so they're not a human life. Is stepping on bugs murder? Because there are many insects smarter than a fetus.
Also, a great deal of conscious animals are slaughtered to extract some of the hormone needed to develop birth control / morning after pills, so death is more so involved that way except the poor succubus doesn't get shamed for being the one doing the killing.
Fetuses can think though. They have measurable brain waves. They can feel pain. If you acknowledge that killing a thinking human life is murder regardless of whether it is inside a womb or not then we agree. I don't care about killing those pre-brain zygotes.
Sure why not? Euthanasia for the whole family.
>>250247>How can you kill that which has no life?
the fetus is demonstrably alive; they'd not develop if they weren't.
your criteria for describing humans as alive or not is faulty. there are humans alive that can't currently think (eg. under general anesthesia) who would have to be considered "dead" if we used your definition. fetuses do breathe by engaging in gas exchange via the placenta. otherwise, respiration and metabolism wouldn't happen thus they'd not develop. there are humans alive that can't mediate gas exchange by themselves who are dependent on ventilators (eg. prolonged apnea); likewise, they'd have to be considered "dead" using your definition.
can't play video games? lol>Is stepping on bugs murder? Because there are many insects smarter than a fetus.
no, murder is unlawful homicide. it has nothing to do with sentience.
The nervous system gets formed meanwhile, so they should be able to feel after some stages. What for a quick way of determining things, you.
Also these animals dead are used to feed us all. Don't compare.
That's battling effect, not the cause.
>>250247>Fetuses can't think or breath or even play video games yet so they're not a human life.
Neither can someone who had a motorcycle accident and is connected to a respirator while in a coma. Abortion is the first stage on slippery slope, and somewhere along that slope are Wizards. I only support abortion if they absolutely gut the female's genitals to make sure she'll never need one again, and father's too, for good measure.
What a dumpster fire of a thread
Show me a better thread written by you.
I have a few of them in the catalogue, though i can hardly expect quality to be recognised by the likes of you
no pics, didn't happen
Go back to reddit
Jyst because you hate life doesn't give you the right to murder other people. Just kill yourself and quit projecting your issues onto others.
Just because you love life doesn't give you the right to force people into it. Just castrate yourself and quit dragging new souls into hell against their will.
Idiot, abortion may or may not be concidered murder but giving birth is 100% murder since we know that the person being brought here will die.
Is eating considered suicide since the person who eat will die? What kind of idiot are you?
false analogy idiot. birthing brings death. eating is for nurishment and might bring suicide if we eat poison or anything harmful, but thats specific. You don't have a logical brain. go read philosophy 101 idiot and what makes an argument. It's frustrating talking to idiots like you.
life is a sexually transmitted terminal disease
>>250337> birthing brings death> eating is for nurishment
How about birthing brings life and eating is prolong your suffering if you're a loser?
Non of them include the face or qoutes of Albert caraco.
>>250339>birthing brings life
true and life is the main condition for death. That's my whole point. no life = no death. It's not hard
>>250339>birthing brings life
implying that life is a good thing
we really gotta unpack this horseshit
I think overpopulation is a thing.
I recall reading that if you want everyone to live a first-world life AND be environmentally sustainable, the population should be around 2 billion. I think this is a good number. Much better than 15 billion living in poverty. Human population was around 2 billion just 100 years ago, having current numbers of humans at one time is a very modern thing. We can absolutely just shrink back to 2 billion with little effect except economic (i.e. the retarded debt hole we dug ourselves).
I think technology and feminism has greatly contributed to the decline of fertility rates in first world countries.
I think that fertility rates in the west are only as high as they are due to first and second generation immigrants, the whites fertility rates in countries such as UK are around 1.3 per succubus, noticeably lower than the UK average of 1.8.
I think the same will eventually happen in Africa and India as they become richer and more educated. But before then, there will be a lot of difficulties with food security and immigration.
I do think that the population should drop down naturally to 2 billion through the things mentioned above rather than forced population controls.
I think it's hypocrisy that the same people calling for whites to have less children are the same that are welcoming immigrants to increase our population.
I think the main driver of immigration and population increase policies in western countries is economic, our economy depends on increasing population to service debt and artificially fuel economic growth.
Related, I do think that births should be at least regulated to stop unwanted pregnancies from happening in the first place (like having a sort of mandatory contraceptive injection except when you actually plan to have a child). I also think fertilised eggs should be scanned for severe disabilities (because speaking from experience, I believe it is cruel to demand a disabled person to go through life just to make yourself feel morally better). But this is more for the benefit of parents/child/society than for population control.
But I do not think we should just keep increasing our population, even if we can through technology/science. There are more difficulties to this than just resources, such as politics, wealth, privacy, stress, social/community dynamics, government interference/control/regulation, etc.
One way or another, I do think it will sort it self out. It will likely be painful though.
But I don't really care because I will be long dead.
says the guy who chooses to continue to exist everyday
It's not a choice. Nothing is.
wow so I guess any talk of what people "should" do is completely pointless
also it's stupid to place blame on people for reproducing since it's not a choice
I fucking hate people that just accept living in crowded commie blocks like it's an acceptable living standard. These cockroaches that deem any kind of existence as okay as long as it is an existence should have no fucking say in anything. You have no principles, you don't care about anything. Shut the fuck up and die.
However, we don't blame a fire but we still extinguish it. And one of the methods of extinguishing reproduction involves talking about it. Not hard to grasp is it?
How can we extinguish anything if it's impossible to make the choice to do the extinguishing?
Poor Japan :(
They are a puppet state of evil imperialist America and it's lazy, immoral people
Where else are we supposed to live?
Are you enjoying your beverly hills mansion or something?
What is at the back of that shack?
Is there any youtube video of one like this being built?
I keep seeing A-frame shacks being popular, but not this style.
Can someone build this single handedly?
I'd hate to live there. I'd always be in constant fear of finding venomous spiders, snakes, scorpions etc.
Yeah the innawoods larp is kinda ridiculous. I understand wanting to leave society behind but I also very much enjoy having electricity.
"fetus" means baby in latin. A baby contains all the genes of what makes a person and the potential for something greater.
The only reason why think otherwise because you were simply trained to like a good, little pet.