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What are your religious views? Do you follow a religion strongly and/or are agnostic/atheist?
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 No.257165

>>257050
Yes each country has its downsides just like all religions have had their share of low points. However sadly most religions improved to a certain extent but Islam(especially in Islamic countries) didn't.

 No.257168

>>257091
i feel like spirituality without religion is the way to go but its such an impossible concept for normies they immediatly think you're christian

 No.257178

>>257168
spirituality without religion is what is commonly called new age and it is very popular among 'normies'

 No.258010

>>255827
i'm catholic and i enjoy it. granted religion isn't for everyone.

 No.258011

>>257178
Well what else are you supposed to call yourself when you realize that spirits and gods are real but don't want to devote your soul to any of them?

 No.258028

TSUKI PROJECT WOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO

 No.258607

>>258011
christians call it being prideful

 No.258609

>>255827
I am agnostic currently but i used to be christian.

 No.258622

>>258011
Superstitious, probably. Spirituality is a meme term used by normals anyway, no reason to waste time with it.

 No.258652

>>258011
Dystheist?

 No.258653

>>257091
How is it that God has an extreme rectitude?

How could possibly anyone think like that with sincerity without being a sadistic masochist?

 No.258658

>>258011
apatheism probably

 No.258670

>>258653
For every action an equal and opposite reaction throughout the whole electromagnetic spectrum and all the life, size, and time scales of the universe. Universal cause and effect, also known as karma, extreme rectitude, or the manifest, righteous judgement of God.
>How could possibly anyone think like that with sincerity without being a sadistic masochist?
When you suffer, God suffers with you. God feels all the pains and pleasures of this universe via our deepest selves: our uniform spirits or perceptors. I think this ties into the old mystery of the crucifixion. God is nailed onto material reality, suffering more than any one of us can imagine, yet also feeling all the love in the universe in all its forms, plus all the weird sensations and everybody's thoughts. S&M? I don't know; I guess you can project sexual stuff onto it if you want. From my current understanding, which I happily admit is not fully baked, God's mind would encapsulate all the sadists and sexual perverts, but would that make him one?

 No.258674

Life is an unjustifiable suffering but only the concept of God provides a potential to make it something other than it seems. Man deduces the necessity of God and the possibility of it. I don't have true faith or trust in any story of God, my relationship is contingent on his revealing a majesty that transforms reality so suffering is no longer coherent. I don't submit my aversion to the trust it is necessary or instrumental in human terms, it must be justified to me. The other theology is secondary. Knowing he would be a being of my same nature against suffering creates a psychological connection sometimes. I don't believe him to be a constant force in human experience.

 No.258802

There is no term for the dogma but these are the beliefs. I tried posting a thread about it but there was a issue with the server.

Cosomology: God, the first creator of the universe manifested spirits into existence. They physically augmented, experienced metaphysical phenomena which became archetypal. The first spirit he created was there to protect God; he would also act on the word of God until the first spirit created destroyed God and entered the process of a universal cleansing. To all other spirits, the first male and female spirits created (Arae and Lily) are the eldest brother and sister to all other spirits. When Arae became aware of God's crimes against creation, he destroyed him. The reason God/The first creator could be destroyed by his creation is because his creation has more value than God himself.

The Tenets;
Do not be aversive
Do not criticise unfairly
Do not be arrogant
Do not abuse
Self-affirm
Do not respect punishment
Be compassionate
Be truthful

One I spoke to mentioned the similarity between Arae and Mahavishnu, and this is because they share the same spirit: Arae is the reincarnation of Mahavishnu. However, he is also the reincarnation of countless others including Napoleon Bonaparte, Ghandi, Budai, and so on.

 No.258846

>>258674
Suffering is unjust and wrong regardless of existence of god

 No.258848

>>255963
So you are just normalfag

 No.258894

>>255963
why would you adhere to a thought system where you would be irremediably at the bottom off. Literally every normalfag would be more moral according to you simply because they can impose their normalfagotry, and i am even giving you the benefit of the doubt that you are even a wizard to begin with

 No.258908

>>258846
That is why there's a need of a god concept. God does not justify suffering in our experience of time, nor in our language or minds. Suffering to us is unjust and wrong. He must show the world as something other than it is. The concept of a god outside of time, as a force outside creation, allows the impossible.

'God will not unite all of history’s many strands in one great synthesis, but will judge much of history false and damnable; that he will not simply reveal the sublime logic of fallen nature but will strike off the fetters in which creation languishes; and that, rather than showing us how the tears of a small succubus suffering in the dark were necessary for the building of the Kingdom, he will instead raise her up and wipe away all tears from her eyes – and there shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying, nor any more pain, for the former things will have passed away and he that sits upon the throne will say, ‘Behold, I make all things new.”'

 No.258924

I hate most religions. They are literally mind-control garbage, they were designed for the exact purpose of brainwashing people into peaceful and harmless sheep who can live together in society. People shill Buddhism usually here and I remember I looked up some buddhist text online and the first lines that hit me in the face were something like this: "The man who thinks "these people treated me badly, robbed me, wronged me, etc" is a fool"…yeah, fuck off. I instantly closed my browser in that instant. I don't need some collectivist brainwashing, thank you very much.
"Don't hate others!"
"Don't fight back!"
"Accept society and its rules and norms, even if they are total bullshit!"
"Share what you have with others!"
"Value the community more than yourself!"
I don't need this shit. I have fixed ideas about what I value and no religious or esoteric mumbojumbo will change that. I value my freedom, well-being and individuality above everything else.

The only characters I can sympathize with in the lore and stories of religions are usually the "villains", the selfish demons, gods or humans. The heroes, like Jesus, Buddha or Muhammad usually come off as smug little pretentious assholes. The Devil, Mara, Loki, the trickster or morally questionable characters are much more realistic to me.
I like the ancient, dyonisian type of pagan religions and the witches, wizards and satanists of the middle age the most.

 No.258926

>>258848
>>258894
Not him, but please don't think that everyone here is a pathetic cuck with no self-respect whatsoever.
You are at the bottom in moral societies, wizzies. Wake up. Wizards can't live in society. We are too individualistic to conform to the ethics, morals and laws of the normal community. In an anarchy, where might makes right, at least I could fight back and if I lost it would be because of my own weakness, not because I'm morally or otherwise considered improper by the community.

Social darwinism is actually pretty wizardly. It just means anything goes. Free-play.

 No.259036

>>258846
no it isnt. if a father beats his son until he has good values and then he doesnt go to hell, then that was a just thing and good.

 No.259037

>>258846
Suffering is the result of Evil. Evil is not the result of Suffering. If you experience Suffering it simply means that there is Evil in your life that must be excised.

 No.259120

>>259036
Your example stinks. If you beat someone until he has "good values" then he most likely will just end up pretending to accept your values and secretly hating you and your values even more. You can't make people accept values with violence. You only reinforce the "might makes right" concept by this.

 No.259121

>>259120
Might makes right is legitimate though.

 No.259134

>>258926
We do live in a might-makes-right world though and there is no escape.

 No.259138

>>259121
>>259134
What makes might though?

 No.259145

I've been irreligious ever since I got to hear what the other side had to say, so a couple of years after I got to use the internet. There is no mistaking, religion is a superimposed mental illness on otherwise perfectly sane and normal people and it cannot survive without institutional oppression of irreligious views.

Though it would be unfair to say I see no merits in it, of course it has some, virtues and absension from vices for example but it shouldn't go beyond that. Nobody should be ostracized for apostacy or burned for "witchery" but there is no middle road with religious people, they will launch a systematic oppression on you the moment they are the majority and will go as far as dictating what you should and shouldn't do in your private life.

 No.259147

>>259138
Causality, which is a function of God.

 No.259150

>>259121
Then there is no point in the father trying to give "good values" to the son in our example. After all, if the son can beat up his dad then he is right, not his father.

Might makes right is legitimate for animals and stupid people at most.

 No.259302

>>259150
might makes right was the argument of Trasimacus in Plato's republic and he got absolutely btfo by Socrates

 No.259320

>>259302
Socrates's inane babby's first big thinks are getting absolutely BTFO by reality every day.

 No.259345

>>259320
There are universal truths and morals. Life is a battleground where we are put in order to practice self-denial, charity and kindness on others. Wake up.

 No.259915

I'm an athiest.
Not spiritual in the least.
I think if there's a universal truth and humanity matters in the cosmic grand scheme of things, it's going to be something self-evident. Religion that relies on revelation from an outside sources that can't be independently and internally verified is a product of hucksters and conmen. My reasoning being that such a method of providing humanity with the truth about the nature of existence is way too inefficient a method to employ and extremely vulnerable to distortion and/or outright lies. A super intelligent, cosmic, and supernatural being would have to be incredibly limited in their means if they resorted to such a method.

 No.259929

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I'm thinking about starting a new religion. I know how that sounds but listen. It's called 'cult of the immured little brothers' and it's centered around social isolation and escapism. The most religious idea of this new religion or cult, is its eschatological premise. It proposes that the end times are ever present and in fact it already happened and will continue to happen. We're always at the end times, the world already ended and continues to end. This is more of an after fact explanation for the feelings of wanting to have nothing to do with the world and the feeling of desolation, despodency and melancholy. This eschatology propose that those feelings of repulsion about the world is because the world is already a rotting corpse so to speak, and keeping away from it is the only healthy option left.

There are no gods but there are personifications of a few key ideas, just to illustrate and make things easier to understand. Emotions like solitude, apathy, anhedonia, concepts like emptiness and fantasy, attitudes like detachment and escapism all would have personifications and imagery. If you want to worship some of those key figures, you can but it's not necessary of course.

Maybe I would turn into one of those mystery religions where you only get the full eschatological tenets of the immured little brothers after some odd initiation. That would be a nice time waster I guess.

 No.259932

>>259929
People will generally only believe something if there is a historic basis for it, or if you're a charismatic cult figure.
You're proposing a larp. Maybe you should find an existing religion and reinterpret it for your own goals like all the other prophets and religious leaders.

 No.259934

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>>259932
>You're proposing a larp.
I was dreading it would look like that. Clearly I'm not a charismatic cult figure so my only way out is to find a historical figure and work those ideas around it.

Originally I was thinking more on the lines of Erik Satie's invented religion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Church_of_Art_of_Jesus_the_Conductor and how I'm already following the ideas I expressed on my previous post. Maybe pretending it's a mystery religion is too ridiculous and larpy, more than the rest of it I mean.

Maybe I should appeal to waifuists, those guys know how to take escapism to a ridiculous extreme.

 No.259935

I would say agnostic, one of the few goals I have in life is to discover a philosophy and religious system that I can agree with completely. But I'm not there yet.

 No.259949

Ignosticist or maybe apatheist.

I was raised as a Catholic, went to a Catholic highschool. Learnt absolutely nothing meaningful to my life from it.

I'd rather read philosophy or literature than religious-ish books, with few exceptions. Music and literature taught me way more about life, existence, morals, meaning etc than Catholicism.

 No.259964

>>259949
me too really, learning history also lets you in on how hipocritical and bullshit the whole church tradition is and how it has been more of a force of harm than good. Protestants are an even bigger joke and is impossible for me to take that stuff seriously in any way.

I am really tipping my fedora or insulting people but i never found any comfort or anything i seek in religion , i don't see it as particularly enlightening or inspiring to read religious authors, and i have tried, i see it more like a social control mechanism whose excuses make it easier for normal people to conform with, i would prefer people not bludgeoning others witht their faith or lack off and not to dehumanize people for not conforming to their particular belief system, same with politics, i am also very agnostic when it comes to that, i think politics and religion are normalfag obssesions

 No.260642

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 No.260645

>>255859
>especially christianity since we live in a westernised world
thats the source of most problems now days
regardless, being a hardhat atheist is just resentment
the funniest thing is when they all against religion and they get asked
"k, and what are YOU living for mate?"
"um, my own personal goals and happiness"
and they think thats somehow more rational
i belive in no gods, but i accept that clinging into life by the skin on my teeth is a sort of religion
>>255865
>"meditations" book was logically flawed
yeah, you gotta realize that at the level of belives logic is not base ground cause logic cannot logically justify it self, eh?
>>256043
>>255975
not yet friend, i dont know when the end is, but its coming fast
>>255976
>muh neither do we, but for some reason we find great pleasure attacking anything that suggests there could be one
would say every "sceptic" ever
>>255983
cause wizzy likes every question he gets asked asshole
>>256175
i doubt so
>>256177
correct
>>256493
answare this one tho; is there anything wrong with being full of shit?; and no, not objectively, i wanna hear your feelings
>>256589
correct you megajew
>>256590
thats not how god works
>>256591
good to see someone this enlighted
i dont think bionic updating will get far before the singularity
>>257168
>spirituality without religion
how?
>>258670
>every action an equal and opposite reaction
pure cope really
>>258846
bullshit
>>259036
technically correct
>>259929
how the fuck do you make a group thats main goal is independence of people?
thats like the jewish kinship paradox

 No.260647

>>260645
Pretty reasonable, it's great to see an atheist that isn't reddit-brand like most.
>thats the source of most problems now days
The Christian counter-argument to this is that the fall of modern western society was due to post-Enlightenment values that destroyed the "spiritual" basis for mankind and civilization.

 No.260648

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I agree with most of what Atkinson wrote, except I don't believe in moralistic karma.

 No.260699

>>259964
youre not wrong. it is a form of control. you enforce some moral code on others regardless of if you personally follow it. just one more way for monkeys to maintain a hierarchy.
that being said, most christians around me are timid. quiet and non- confrontational. definitely not all, plenty of posers who only wax about it for masturbatory purposes. i find that is a problem with any form of spirituality, even incoherent new-age hippie-types.

 No.260716

>>260647
yeah, not realising that christian values are a direct result of christianity, which is a direct result of judaism

 No.260719

>>260716
*modern values are a direct result of christianity
sorry, i had too much to drink

 No.260720

>>260716
Another Christianity = Judaism post. I hate the fact that "Judeo-christianity" became a word. It originally refered to the lore of the intersection and interactions between early Jews and Christians(which was always oppositional) and now erroneously equates judaism and christianity.
Here's a comment chain in another thread where wizards argue over that topic.
>>>232586
If you want to know why Christianity and Judaism are not even close to similar you have to read. The only intersection between the two is that they're monotheistic and they share what Xtians call the "Old Testament" and see as an archaic book of stories and guideline on what God views as good or evil, and the other views it as a meticulous historical record and book of unquestionable law.

 No.260721

>>260720
>>>/dep/232586
Unbroken link

 No.260734

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Instead of boring people at some point it's easier, and probably more truthful, to say I'm just an Anglican. There's no use trying to escape it.


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