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 No.264563[Last 50 Posts]

Anyone has the latest version?
If no, then what could we add to our wizardry?

 No.264564

>>264563
Looks good to me wizzlord

 No.264565

I don't like this guide at all.

 No.264566

Replace tier 2 with studying philosophy instead of using norman drugs and it's perfect.

 No.264567

>>264566
Tier 2 should be
-going for a (night-) walk
-study wisdom (philosophy is an example, an interest like on /hob/ is fine too or learning a skill)
-rest and sleep

Tier 1 and 3 are perfect.

 No.264568

Looks to me more like a failed normalfag "how to stick it to mom & dad" guide.

 No.264569

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>no gym
>weed is wizardly aylmao xd
Looks to me like you should spend more time at the gym

 No.264570

>>264569
Thanks for the "advice" normalfag

 No.264571

>>264570
newfag alert

 No.264572

>>264570
how much of a newfag are you?

 No.264573


 No.264574

Aaaaaaand thread's ruined. Didn't take long till the LARPers arrived.

 No.264575

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>>264574
Guide's shit.
Wizards should spend more time at the gym.

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>>264568
>>264569
Everyone knows a true wiz works out every day, makes six figures and drives a sports car

 No.264577

>>264576
>he thought the magic part was ironic

 No.264579

Step 0: attain neetbux
Step 1: master your body and mind
Step 2: attain gnosis/nirvana
Step 3: die a complete man

 No.264595

Having goals and aspirations makes you less of a normalfag as long as those goals aren't motivated solely by the desire for physical comfort or the avoidance of pain. Having skills means you are less of a normalfag because it means you have intelligence and discipline which the common person lacks. Normalfags lack any real ideals or morals. They just want to be happy and accepted. Making yourself presentable is a means to an end. Sometimes you have to conform to get things done.

You can send your hate mail to loldidntread@gmail.com

 No.264596

>>264595
>tfw being a gamer makes me more skilled and more wizard than a normalfag
i knew my goals and aspirations would pay off

 No.264598

>>264595
Ok I'll take the bait. Most normalfags have the standard "get job, work, buy house, get married, have children" mindset that serves as the central drive for them to keep being the indoctrinated worker bees that they are. Those are all goals that they want to reach before they die, and they will usually work really hard to achieve them.
Meanwhile true wizards don't care about any of that stuff, so we don't have any goals because, ultimately, they will lead nowhere pretty fast. Why work if we only survive for ourselves? That's why we espouse NEET beliefs. It's kinda like taking the blackpill. Even wagies will admit that there is no point to life if you are only working to keep yourself alive.

 No.264602

funny how these people who boast about how NEETs are best all the time always end up being suicidal

 No.264603

>>264602
i was more suicidal as a wagie than as a neet

 No.264605

>>264602
What's the point of working? What benefit would it give me that I couldn't get by staying a NEET? I don't want friends, I don't want to deal with people, I hate society, this lifestyle is preferable.

 No.264606

>>264605
Money, of course, which you may or may not need much of depending on what your hobbies are and whether you actually have to pay bills without government assistance.

 No.264609

>being a wizard means not showering, being a degenerate drug junkie, and killing yourself

how about fuck you?

 No.264612

>>264609
normalfag tourist detected

 No.264613

>>264605
Independence, self-sustenance, skills, power.

 No.264617

>>264612
the fact that you're using "normalfag" as an insult tells me everything i need to know about you. namely that you're a 4channer, probably from r9k, whose here to stir shit and insult those on here with your preconceived notions of what a hermit is. piss off

 No.264620

>>264617
>the fact that you're using "normalfag" as an insult tells me everything i need to know about you.
lol

 No.264622

>>264606
I'd rather fuck off into the countryside and live minimally in a rundown trailer park with a bunch of hicks, or join a hippie commune than become a wage slave.

 No.264627

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>>264563
that guide is fucking gay

 No.264631

>>264622
>live minimally in a rundown trailer park

Living the life
/thread

 No.264639

>>264627
fuck off back to /pol/ chad

 No.264674

>goals for wizards: nothing cuz who cares
>goals for norms: working and breeding
You can choose only one path. Choose wisely.

 No.264681

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>>264674
True wizards focus on self-improvement and become ubermensch.

 No.264682

>>264681
i doubt tesla went to the gym and did nofap

 No.264683

>>264682
self-improvement might work for crabs aged 18-25 who would turn out to be late bloomer normalfags down on their luck but it does nothing for wizards, past 25 no amount of self-improvement will help or unfuck your entire lifes worth of cringe and failures

 No.264684

>>264683
Why do you assume that people who better themselves turn into normalfaggots? It seems to me that that assumption violates rule 4.

 No.264685

>>264684
self-improvement is a losers mentality that assumes the wizard lifestyle is the incorrect choice

only those who already consider themselves losers will try to "improve" their situation meanwhile wizards are accepting their lot in life

 No.264686

>>264685
Again, you're assuming that an improvement from your current state would involve moving away from wizardry. This is simply not the case, and violates site rules besides. You can always be better than you are right now, in any number of ways.

 No.264687

>>264686
as a wizard you either self-improve into a normalfag and get a gf or realize no amount of self-improvement will help you

since you are still young i say you keep trying before giving up too soon but pretty much every "self-improvement" wizard on this site in the past 7 years went on to becoming a normalfag and got a gf, as for myself I realized no amount of self-improvement can help me as I got older

 No.264688

>>264687
You really can't conceptualize any improvement over your current situation that doesn't involve you having sex?

 No.264690

>>264688
why would i need to improve myself if i don't plan on having sex?

 No.264691

>>264690
To make life more enjoyable and to experience your full potential?

 No.264692

>>264691
in practice this always ends up involving having sex

 No.264693

>>264692
No it doesn't. You can write a novel or create some other piece of art without having sex, you can expand your knowledge on a topic that you're passionate about without having sex, you can cultivate skills and habits that make your life more enjoyable without having sex.

 No.264695

>>264693
as you become increasingly successful the chance of having sex approaches 1

how many novelists and artists do you know that are virgins?

 No.264696

>>264691
>>264693
if your goal is simply seeking enjoyment you are just a normalfag and won't make it to 30 as a virgin

 No.264697

>>264695
I don't know anyone who's a virgin. If you go into a gas station or fast food store and ask the employees if they are virgins, they are all going to say no. If you go around asking homeless people if they are virgins, they are all going to say no. It is rare, because it is a choice.
>>264696
The satisfaction you get from growing as a person is different from hedonic pleasure. But if you are constantly experiencing hedonic pain it makes no sense to fail to correct it.

 No.264698

>>264697
I'm a virgin but if someone asked me I'd say no. Not that anyone ever asked, but from time to time co-workers would ask me about relationships or if I was married. These days I just say I'm divorced.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not ashamed of being a virgin, but at the same time I'm pragmatic enough to realize there's a stigma attached to it and since I have to work (no neetbux or parents to support me) I need to blend in with normalfags to get ahead. I imagine most virgins have enough sense to lie for the same reason. In fact I think you would have to be autistic as fuck to tell people you're a virgin in real life.

 No.264699

>>264697
>growing as a person
is a normalfag codeword for starting a family and ALL normalfag self improvement is for this goal alone

im not telling you to just lay down and rot till you die but I can tell you that following normalfag advice as a wizard will never make you happy or make you grow

 No.264700

>>264699
You've yet to provide any reasoning as to why you believe all personal growth leads to sex and reproduction.
>but I can tell you that following normalfag advice as a wizard will never make you happy or make you grow
And I can tell you from personal experience that focusing your energy on developing your skills and knowledge can make you happy as a wizard.

 No.264701

>>264700
>And I can tell you from personal experience that focusing your energy on developing your skills and knowledge can make you happy as a wizard.
Tried that. Didn't work. Still miserable.

 No.264702

>>264700
It might work when you're younger but it's just another cope like video games or drugs. When you're near 30 as a virgin you will have a cornucopia of mentall illness and physical health problems regardless if you self-improve or not. Your current blind optimism and idealism will lead you onto a path of suicide since the only other option is becoming a normalfag.

 No.264703

>>264702
My life has only improved since I've abandoned my nihilism. Please don't try to drag others down to your level. You can get out if you try.

 No.264704

>>264703
Keep on bloomin you'll be a normalfag someday for sure.

 No.264705

>>264704
Again you attempt to evoke this unsubstantiated belief that happiness and normalfaggotry and inextricably linked. I don't know you but if I had to guess, I'd guess that this delusion is a major cause of your current suffering.

 No.264707

>>264705
I could care less, you can go be happy and develop your PUA skills and knowledge of sex. I'll be dead by then.

 No.264769

>>264703
Not that anon, but I don't see a point in "improving" yourself if you're not doing it for someone else. There's no shame in playing video games all day if that's what a wizard wants to do with his life. Not everyone needs to live with purpose. Maybe some of us were meant to be drifters.
Personally, I prefer a solitary lifestyle where I have as little contact with the outside world as possible. I'm just happier that way.

 No.264771

I think what idiots (or at least severely nearsighted people) don't realize is that genuine self-improvement is inherently good. Not in a, people will respect you more or because it's good according to this moral principle, but good as in, you will feel the difference on your own skin, you will experience more pleasure and reduce your suffering in the long run.

Well, why shouldn't I play video games all day? Sure, in the short term, you're getting some amount of intrinsic reward for every bing bing wahoo you collect, but in the long run, you're going to be worse off than someone that might have put that time into learning a valuable skill. It's not just "oh, learning a valuable skill is considered better than playing video games", it's about long term outcome in happiness and suffering. A valuable skill can be exchanged for money, your time is now worth more than someone that can only flip burgers, your boss has to treat you with some respect or you will go to another place, in short, you have freedom and your experience of life is much better.

This doesn't mean that you should automatically "spend more time at the gym" or become a wageslave, but consider the long-term benefits of your own behavior. You don't need a "purpose" for this, even a nihilist has to admit that life is about pain and pleasure, and "improvement" is about increasing happiness and reducing suffering – no need for a normalfag value system on top to make sense of it.

 No.264772

>>264639
what the fuck did i post that was misconstrued as being /pol/

answer me you retarded depgoblin

 No.264775

>>264771
>A valuable skill can be exchanged for money, your time is now worth more than someone that can only flip burgers, your boss has to treat you with some respect or you will go to another place, in short, you have freedom and your experience of life is much better.
You JUST proved my point here >>264674
The only reasons for self-improvement are for working and/or breeding purposes. I have no need for that stuff. That's what literally everything boils down to. This is what motivates norms to do what they do. What makes them tick.

 No.264777

>>264775
How about something more fundamental: wiping you ass.

Why do it? Because a crusty ass is uncomfortable and smells like shit. Doing it just makes sense, even to a nihilist. Now expand that principle of pain and pleasure into the long-term: engaging in some behavior is the equivalent of wiping or not wiping your ass, maybe you save some time by not having to reach back for your fat ass but you'll eventually smell the consequences.

There's nothing inherently "norm" about making money, norms just happen to recognize, like everyone else, that you can exchange it for well-being. You can buy yourself freedom, various goods and services, or you can reduce your own suffering by taking care of your health and so on. Engaging in certain behavior isn't inherently normalfag, unless it's motivated by normalfag values like social status, getting pucci and so on.

Basically, you're an idiot that can't see farther then his own retarded misconceptions about normalfaggotry.

 No.264779

>>264777
>he thinks being a wageslave is somehow worth it because "well being"
>he can't think beyond his own bubble of misery
I could be a goddamn millionaire NEET for all you know. Maybe I already have everything I will ever need. I don't want your slave money. Now take your improvebrah advice and go back to crabs.co.

 No.264780

>>264779
>Maybe I already have everything I will ever need.

Judging by your bitterness, it's probably just cope. Rather than figuring out how to get what you want, you resort yourself to having nothing. Yes, you're poor and miserable, but hey, at least you don't have to work for it, eh?

You fail to see the point behind my posts. I don't consider wageslavery to be an inherent good, it's simply a means to an end. Based on the job, it can be much more preferable than NEETdom. And becoming independently wealthy (as you certainly are) is definitely improvement, wiz, wouldn't you say?. Would you say that working towards that end is better than aimlessly playing video games, provided you are sure to reach it? If so, then you have made a value judgement and dared to say that one behavior is more valuable than another when you consider it's consequences, and your silly little nihilism falls apart.

 No.264781

>>264779
You said
>past 25 no amount of self-improvement will help or unfuck your entire lifes worth of cringe and failures
I doubt that you would describe your life as a failure if you were happy.

 No.264782

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This thread is hilarious. The ages old war of improvebrahs vs NEETs. Who will come out victorious?

 No.264783

>>264782
Whoever feels happier/suffers less at the end of the day, probably.

 No.264785

>>264782
>>264783
There's no victory or prize to be won in an online argument. As soon as people engage in it they already lost.

>This thread is hilarious.

I guess you're the only winner today.

 No.264801

>>264570
Mind explaining why some normie related advice is wizardly? Im new here

 No.264804

why hasnt this thread been deleted

 No.264805

>>264804
Because mods know you shouldn't be a wimp.

 No.264821

>>264780
> Would you say that working towards that end is better than aimlessly playing video games, provided you are sure to reach it?
Not him but that is a pretty big if. It can be difficult to predict the future and a man who plays vidya all day probably does not have very good prospects, let alone the positive life experiences marked by enough success that would make future attempts appealing.

 No.264822

>>264804
improvetards generally know to skirt the rules and not explicitly break them

>>264780 is breaking rule 4 in spirit but will say that he has not done so explicitly and he means well blah blah blah

 No.264829

>>264777
>Now expand that principle of pain and pleasure into the long-term: engaging in some behavior is the equivalent of wiping or not wiping your ass, maybe you save some time by not having to reach back for your fat ass but you'll eventually smell the consequences.

the irony here is when you are a wageslave ALL your goals become short-sighted and immediate - wageslaveing becomes an end to an means - you start cutting corners and spending more money to save up on time and suddenly all your "long-term" plans involve just getting enough rest to not feel suicidal the next day at work

 No.264830

>>264829
where the fuck did all these morons come from that think wageslaving leads to a comfy life? it's called wageslaving for a reason because it's a dead-end deal and consumes your life entirely to the point of not being able to enjoy any hobbies

 No.264832

>>264821
>It can be difficult to predict

It can't be predicted, you can only think about probabilities. It isn't difficult to consider the long-term consequences of playing video games all day vs learning how to make them. The probability is like 99% that you'll end up probably getting good at the games you play, a 100% playthrough, and you'll have some short-term fun. Will being good at that game generalize into other areas? Will you make some friends or positive relationships? Will sitting for a long time moving only your thumbs be good for your health? You can't know for sure, but you can create a reasonable probabilistic model in your head.

What about learning how to make them? Well, very low probability that you'll ship the next AAA game or make it as an indie hit, but there's a reasonable chance that you'll get better at the multitude of skills required. You get a little bit better at pixel art, a little bit better at game design, programming, music etc. you ship a few small, yet somewhat impressive games, you have a product, something to show for you time, some knowledge earned, a certain privileged perspective into a problem space. That opens up opportunities, creates branches in the possible future, the future is now even more uncertain, but randomness is actually your friend.

Think about life in terms of probabilities. Is the next time you brush your teeth going to eliminate cavities completely? Well, no, but some amount of regular brushing, oral hygiene will significantly decrease the chance that you'll be paying for expensive dental procedures or crying from the pain on a Sunday evening when the tooth starts hurting and no one is open.

No one is saying go be a wageslave, simply consider the long-term consequences of your behavior. You don't have to be a normalfag to do that.

>>264829
Maybe if you're working a minimum wage low skilled job, but anyone that considers the long-term knows that there is no future there. Bashing your head every day at a stressful, soul-killing job everyday is as stupid as playing video games all day - you will wake up in 10 years and ask yourself why things have only gotten worse since you stopped thinking about the future.

Personally, I spend like 20% of my monthly paycheck, I work from home in my underwear and when I'm not shitposting or jerking off, I'm working on my side-project for my own satisfaction and more passive income. In a couple years, I'll move up the ladder, get a couple wizkids to boss around and yell at them in code reviews. I am comfortable financially, I have a marketable skillset that is at least 50 years from becoming automated and I have enough freedom to enjoy both hobbies and personal ventures.

Idiots want to make it out like improvement is this abstract, non-tangible, magical bullshit, but the reality is that you feel the benefits on your own skin, otherwise it's not really improvement in any real sense.

 No.264833

>>264832
>In a couple years, I'll move up the ladder, get a couple wizkids
wizchan 2021

 No.264834

> I have a marketable skillset that is at least 50 years from becoming automated

5 years from being outsourced to some pajeet in india more like

 No.264835

>improvebrah is some 6 figure programmer
every time

 No.264836

>>264832
>Maybe if you're working a minimum wage low skilled job, but anyone that considers the long-term knows that there is no future there.
That's all I'd be able to get as a lifelong NEET in my late 20s. There's no point in slaving away at a McJob (or worse) when I could stay at home instead. I have no experience, education or skills whatsoever. Even if I somehow graduated college and earned a degree, or developed a skill, I would still not get out of the cycle of wageslavery. The job market is rigged against introverts like myself. It's not like back in the good ol' days when you could be the biggest sperg in the world and still make decent money sitting at a desk twiddling your thumbs all day long. Times are changing fast. You need to be social as fuck to get anywhere now.

 No.264837

>>264833
Underlings to mentor, not actual spawns, silly troll.

>>264834
That's always a possibility, which is why I'm hedging my bets with passive income and other investments. There's nothing more addictive than a monthly paycheck, so it's good not to get complacent before actually reaching the goal of financial independence.

>>264836
Again, think about probabilities my friend. Sure, you are comfortable now, depending on your parents or the government, but in all probability, you cannot make it last forever. I cannot think of a better safety net than a valuable skill, as it can often be exchanged quite lucratively on the marketplace. Yes, the market is quite biased towards introverts, but that is a problem to be solved rather than ignored.

I admire you, as you are perhaps a man with nerves of steel. I couldn't possibly focus on a video game if becoming homeless was a looming possibility.

 No.264843

>>264837
The government takes care of me because I'm a certified autist. Free healthcare, too. You neurotypical folk can keep kissing each other's asses and having your six figure careers, I'm fine over here.
Thanks and have a good day, sir.

 No.264847

>>264837
>That's always a possibility
I am surprised you would admit it, a lot of '6 figure programmers' like that other wiz said are deluding themselves into thinking they cannot possibly be replaced like these lowly car plants workers or what have you. With work from home this is more evident now than ever. The middle and upper middle class white collar wageslaves are in for a rude awakening, I pity those that see it coming, but it will be glorious to see the smug ones come to terms with that reality.


>couldn't possibly focus on a video game if becoming homeless was a looming possibility.

That's precisely what makes escapism so appealing. I might be homeless in the future so I might as well enjoy myself now, and try not to think about it too much, and I just don't have the drive, motivation, energy or capacity to become highly skilled or rich and so on. Your 'think of the future!!' preaching is lost on people like me. Yes it will bite us thanks for stating the obvious. Just leave us alone.

 No.264850

>>264847
People like him will get outsourced eventually. It doesn't take a genius to code. Pajeets and other Asians tend to learn this stuff from a young age. They are naturally adept at completing logical tasks, and they are willing to work for a lower wage. Most office jobs that are around now won't be around for much longer when the globalist agenda gets done with them. Face it, the future is rather grim for a lot of us.

 No.265359

drink more water

 No.265840

>>264563
Regardless if you get neetbux or if you work: no drugs, exercise well, eat a diet rich in amino acids and complex carbs and sleep at a consistent time. This has a clear positive effect on dopaminergic and serotonergic activity. The vast majority of people live for hedonism, they want to feel good and they want to avoid suffering. This is the most sustainable way to do it. I've been a NEET for 10 years and I get disability from the government and I have no intention of working before someone calls me a normalshit, there are simply things that you can do to make yourself feel more comfortable in general.

 No.266135

>>264602
Yeah I don't get that, if you are a NEET that actually manages to leech off the government and never have to work again, you should just lead a comfy, care free life, no reason you should suicide.

 No.266136

>>264681
That's an anti-wizard meme, because it implys that if wizards aren't scientists or inventors they are virgin losers, sounds like it was written by a normalfag.

 No.266138

>>264847
>>264850
Supply and demand control the price of goods and services, and that applies to tech too. Indians aren't earning very much because they are all competing for the same tasks. These tasks are low-skilled, so the entry barrier is lower, and more people end up joining which drives the prices down. But that's okay if you're in India because the cost of living is so low. If you could earn a decent living and have everything paid that you needed you would be happy working a 9 - 5 in a widget shop. That's just the reality of the outsourcing industry in India.

We could speculate for days what motivates people to learn skills but in the end the result is that skills with a low supply and high demand will be worth more than skills with an abundance of supply. The pay in technology goes up so radically because of how specialized tech has become to accomplish tasks. You simply can't replace someone who does firmware engineering with 10 people who build widgets. You have to train those people in the first place. So it's not like there are an abundance of people out there that are ready to take any kind of job in tech. The reality is they just don't have the skills to do it.

If wages for the Indian tech workers dropped they might start to specialize more and that would start to risk foreign jobs. But even then such a change is unlikely to effect people at the top of the ladder. It wouldn't effect people at big four tech companies. And unfortunately as it is – there's a racism and language barrier here too that prevents Indians from being hired for more lucrative positions.

 No.266601

>>264701
yeah wonder why lol. just dont fall for the "jUsT bEtTeR yOuRsElF" and you will be fine bud. people do everything to drag you into their BBBUT MUH SELF IMPROVEMENT Cult just to mog you. see, (((they))) are even here man its crazy.

 No.266602

>>265840
>JuSt Do SpOrTs BuD aNd EaT tHoSe SwEeT PrOtEiN bUgS
so much THIS man, just get muscles bud and the influence of jews will delete itself in 3 days hehe

 No.266616

>>264769
I physically feel less shitty since I reigned in my appetite and stopped drinking soda. Every second of my waking life is more enjoyable because I improved myself by declogging my arteries.

 No.266708

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>>264832

But if you take an even longer term look, there's a hundred percent chance you will be dead in a few decades regardless, with nearly identical odds of experiencing gradual, but escalating decline in your health and quality of life, with losses proportionate to the amount of effort spent on developing and maintaining them. For the first 40 years you're unlikely to experience many debilitating health issues, and mentally you are reasonably flexible, even if you don't put in much work. For the next 40 years you're unlikely NOT to experience severe drops in your physical and mental wellbeing, regardless of how much work you've put in.

People diminish and then they die. In a world of randomness and probabilities, this is a refreshing certainty.

>Will being good at that game generalize into other areas? Will you make some friends or positive relationships?


I made my closest friends through videogames

Depending on your personality, you might also be a person who values experiencing fiction more than succeeding in the real rat race. Fundamentally, I don't believe there's significant difference in how a human being spends his time. Many kinds of lives were lived and have ended, regardless of how they were lived.

You do you

 No.266716

>>266616
>not drinking it to clog your arteries
life cultist detected

 No.266767

>>266708
I don't give a crap about my health but I hate the fact eating things in this life you like leads to being fat.

Otherwise I'd be eating pizza and chocolate cake every few hours.

I hate how people treat you as garbage when you are fat. And if you are a man you become dead to succubi (not that this matters to wizards though which is a bonus).

Moving around also becomes a pain.

Suppressing your weight is actually a constant struggle, especially if you have no other dopamine sources in your life besides food and spend most of your time alone.

But I rather suffer 16 hours of the day rather than be fat, because the outside world would treat me even worse if I let my weight slip.

 No.266768

Also, by far the worst thing that happens from overeating is your face bloats.

When you are a fat-face, people think you are dumb, poor, retarded or just not worth considering.

I used to be fat, now I'm not, and the difference in treatment you get is staggering. You only get treated decently by the majority of society if you have a low fat face.

 No.266773

>>266708
The only reason you say that it's all the same is because you literally cannot experience the possible reality that you've lost. Someone's who been fat their whole life has no knowledge of how it is to be fit. Without a comparison, they might just assume that this is what life is, that straining to reach to wipe your ass is normal, that feeling bloated, constantly heart-burned, burping, farting, being fatigued from small amounts of movement etc. is just the way life was supposed to be like.

The way I define genuine improvement is things that produce genuine change that is felt on your own skin, not some abstract type of reward. In the most fundamental sense, wiping your ass is something even nihilists do because the benefits are clear and non-abstract. 99% of people will agree that exchanging the small amount of energy needed to not have a crusty smelly ass is worth it, and this becomes even more apparent when you can compare the consequences experientially - a clean ass vs a crusty ass, there is no need for a mathematical or logical proof, you simply compare the experiences and it is clear to you which of those you prefer. The problem is that for many things, you simply do not have the experiential knowledge of a better life, so you conclude that life could not possibly be better.

I don't understand why people are arguing against something so simple - "improvement" is always a better reality, as per definition, otherwise it's not improvement. There are things people call "improvement" that might not produce a better reality for you, but that is a case of a misnomer, not a fundamental contradiction to the principle of improvement - the notion that a better reality is better. Improvement being a better reality is a tautology, either something is a better reality or its not an improvement.

The difficult question is only whether X, Y or Z will allow one to reach a better reality. We are terrible at predicting the future and our minds prefer to use heuristics that save time and energy. You are always going to make decisions based on previous experience, the current state of your knowledge of the world. To say that nothing could be different is simply running your brain on ECO mode and using the fastest, yet possibly the most inaccurate tool for making decisions.

 No.266778

>>266773

The amount of reality locked or lost to a single human approaches infinity. You won't know what it's like to have been a NEET blissfully absorbed in an MMO during its prime at the turn of the century, what it's like to be japanese, or a primitive hunter-gatherer, or a post-human digital consciousness. Even most of the sensible possibilities that are anchored to your time, space, country, childhood outcomes, and past circumstances, are out of reach because you cannot turn back time, many choices are mutually exclusive, and many don't fit your personality, values, principles, and a multitude of other factors that prevent one from acting completely out of character. Sometimes this realization leads to an acceptance of one's life, with all its failures, flaws and suffering. Why not be a NEET? Why not light the candle at both ends, focusing perception on a tiny sliver of the 21st century internet and media, and then fade out? Why not self-destruction rather than improvement, if that is my choice? This attitude is not without its charm.

Ass-wiping indeed takes little effort, for a large payoff in avoiding a strong disgust response and hygienic complications. It is, however, a fallacy to say that because you're already wiping your ass, you might as well hit the gym and work on a career. The bare minimum of maintenance required to exist triggers pain and deprivations when ignored. Beyond this, the marginal utility on existential busywork starts declining. If I choose to stop eating, I'll be weak and lethargic, feel hunger pangs, and will eventually die (though I recommend fasting). If I choose to avoid gym, I'll just be less muscular. If acquiring a stronger body took as much effort as wiping my ass, or eating, it would be a bargain. In reality it requires maintaining a diet, continual work in an uncomfortable setting, illicit substances, additional expenses, a disruption of accustomed routine, and a mindset alien to mine to find all of this appealing. For health benefits, cardio exercise at home should suffice.

>I don't understand why people are arguing against something so simple - "improvement" is always a better reality, as per definition, otherwise it's not improvement.


Circular reasoning aside, people are arguing with your persona. The whole point for starting this argument in the first place, was to project your ego. You've adopted the following "aesthetic":
>an effective achiever on an upward trend who has conquered himself
>a benign teacher uplifting the sad proles of wizardchan
>a pragmatic rationalist with an accurate theory of the mind, deftly navigating uncertainty

When people do this, it's usually out of a primal need for social status and self-affirmation, for example the first instinct upon starting on a new resolution, is to tell others of this "high-value" move. Peddling feel-good non-advice (suggestions should contain highly specific or actionable examples, mindful of the audience's circumstances), alluding to extensive personal successes, and defending one's (clearly righteous and rational) position, is a good way to feel like a winner. On the other hand, giving credence a value system that depreciates your achievements is an unacceptable offense on one's self-worth, because what would you be without them. Life must be full of meaning when you're status hustling on wizardchan.

 No.266780

>>266768
you can't be a wiz if you aren't fat

 No.266786

>>266778
>It is, however, a fallacy to say that because you're already wiping your ass, you might as well hit the gym and work on a career.

I've never said this, tho. I'm arguing for a very fundamental notion that /improvement/ is simply a better reality otherwise it's not improvement. I never said you should go get a job or hit the gym. The particular X, Y and Z of how to get to a better reality are debatable and subjective and each have their particular price and downside, but the idea that a better reality is something worthwhile is almost a tautology (kinda like the definition of heaven - either it's perfect or its not heaven).

My problem with this thread was with the notion of "improvement" and the negative connotations it has. Wizzies are throwing out the baby with the bath water because in their minds it's just exercise and being a wageslave, rather than the more fundamental principle behind it which can even include being a NEET.

You can agree that having a lot of money and having a muscular, fit, healthy body is a better reality, you just don't think working for a living or exercising is a good way to achieve that or worth the time and effort. You can agree that not being fat is better than being fat, but whether dieting or exercise or liposuction is a good way to get there is irrelevant to what I'm trying to say.

I never said wageslavery was inherently good, it's simply a way to make money and depending on the job and your particular subjective experience of that job, it can preferable to being a NEET. The fallacy that I'm trying to argue against is the notion that a better reality doesn't exist purely because a particular method has failed to reach it or because one does not know of a way to reach it.

For instance, having money is a better reality than not having money. To "improve" simply means going from a worse to a better reality, it does not imply any kind of method. If a NEET found a million dollars on the street, he would improve his reality. Only a nihilist would say that there is no such thing as worse and better because all value in the universe is meaningless.

>The whole point for starting this argument in the first place, was to project your ego.


And your replies were simply a rational duty to prove me wrong? Surely it had nothing to do with gratifying and defending your OWN ego? The big bad EGOIST hurt your feelings because he disagreed with your nihilist perspective that "it's all the same" yet you still wipe your ass every morning, at least implicitly believing that one reality can be preferable to another. Since we're psychoanalyzing, maybe I can point out how nihilism and pessimism is always just a defense mechanism against uncertainty and potential. If nothing matters, then you're off the hook, you can breathe a sigh of relief because nothing is required of you, not only is there nothing to develop towards but one can choose to regress back and it wouldn't matter.

Damn, I knew I should've stuck to posting my Maserati on instagram instead of looking down on poor wizardchannelers :/

 No.266787

>>264579
/thread

 No.266789

>>266786
>muh relativism
literal normie cope
self-improvement for wizards should be getting fat and not showering, increasing chance of heart disease and stroke so they can die early, not prolong the stay here any longer

 No.266790

>>266789
>slowly killing yourself with heart disease

You do know there's faster methods? I'd tell you to read the suicide handbook but you'd call me an improvebrah for giving you advice.

 No.266791

>>266790
ill be dead next week it doesn't matter

 No.266792

>>266791
Dehydrationwiz, is that you?

 No.266793

>>266790
Suicide is for depressed wageslaves. I don't plan on dying anytime soon. I just don't want to live past a certain age, like for example, 50. I still enjoy video games and other things.

 No.266795

>>266793
You could try walking in an open field during a lighting storm with a metal rod after you hit 50.

 No.266803

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>>266795
I'll pass from this world when God says I can

 No.266804

>>266786

>Surely it had nothing to do with gratifying and defending your OWN ego?


I'm not the one sandwiching in an entire paragraph about my income, savings, financial stability and freedom to engage in hobbies and (of course, one cannot just be content with hobbies), "personal ventures", in between, what basically boils down to an extremely self-indulgent way of saying "have low time preference", propped up by another paragraph about the horrors of low skilled jobs, which billions of people must do anyway, and not by choice.

>It's better to be rich and healthy, than poor and sick

Depends on the trade offs though. If your poverty and sickness come at the end of spending a good 20 years goofing around online, and you're unafraid of checking out early, the hedonic value can be rather high. It's also hard to estimate the gap in satisfaction, between for example, your life, and a NEET's, if any.

>Since we're psychoanalyzing, maybe I can point out how nihilism and pessimism is always just a defense mechanism against uncertainty and potential.

But so is asserting yourself to strangers on the internet, seeking affirmation and status for making "correct" choices in life. It is pretty funny how often people try to leverage their material advantages for social approval and invention of hierarchies that put themselves higher and make them feel better. In evolutionary terms, social capital (approval, adoration and respect of peers) has always been more important than money, being a much older survival factor. Even if we're strangers online and none of this matters, you're still doing it on reflex.

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>>266804
So, on the one hand "it's all the same, all people end up dead anyway" but on the other, you're butthurt because someone described their life? Never mind that I was arguing against someone's point about wageslavery and my personal experience was relevant, I simply had to put the humblebrag in there so I can enjoy the real or imagined approval of my wizzas.

>But so is asserting yourself to strangers on the internet, seeking affirmation and status for making "correct" choices in life.


This is indeed funny, because you're incapable of seeing the projection in this sentence. Why would I need affirmation that I'm making the right choices? Any idiot (including myself) can easily tell that I'm living comfortably. However, you on the other hand needed to write a whole copium essay on how nothing matters and we all end up dead anyway, hoping that some other depressed wizzie was willing to entertain your assertions and make you feel better about yourself, to AFFIRM that you are indeed making the right "choices" and the TRUE winner in this game by simply disregarding most of what humans care about.

Like I said, even a nihilist wipes his ass every morning. At the end of day, no matter what you tell yourself and how much you rationalize, you're suffering and you're not willing to even entertain the idea that you could live in a better reality. Rather than contemplate a path forward, you bravely assert that nothing matters and that this is the best of all possible worlds, alongside a philosopher that lived in a barrel and jerked off in public. You too can be BASED like him, just DECONSTRUCT ALL VALUES bro. Money? Worthless paper currency not even backed up by anything real like gold. Also, economy will collapse any day now. Love? Brain chemicals. Power? Socially constructed hierarchies a.k.a. not real or important. Health? On a long enough timeline, the survival rate is zero. Anime? Ah, now that's the stuff…I kneel, the one true VALUE in the universe. Alright, put it directly into my vein…

 No.266810

Strivers belong in a gas chamber.

 No.266814

>>266810
Don't worry bro, I heard the average human lifespan is like 79 years. They will eventually die and everything they worked for will be lost. Even if they end up enjoying it, well, it evens out, it's all the same, don't worry about it. Here's another picture of Diogenes, he was pretty based amirite? If he was alive today he would be an anime otaku like us.

 No.266821

>>266808
>but on the other, you're butthurt because someone described their life?
Not butthurt, just pointing out that the purpose of starting this discussion, was to describe your life, and how effective you are due to your correct choices. Your posts are about yourself, even under the guise of helping other wizzies.
>This is indeed funny, because you're incapable of seeing the projection in this sentence. Why would I need affirmation that I'm making the right choices?
Because you lack social capital in your life. If your choices are not being validated by others, the primate brain starts second guessing itself. Paying taxes at the end of the year is too impersonal to pass for praise. Material successes are not enough, money is unfulfilling to the norman unless it also translates into status. Hopefully you will "get a couple of wizkids to boss around in code reviews", in a few years, to provide something that fills in the checkbox for social standing, friends and admirers, in the norman mind. Until then, going through the motions of self-validation to strangers online with ideas stolen from self-help articles (muh probabilities, muh possible worlds, wonder which self-help rationalist celeb is that), would have to suffice.
>At the end of day, no matter what you tell yourself and how much you rationalize, you're suffering and you're not willing to even entertain the idea that you could live in a better reality.
How much better are we're talking about here? Life's pretty good already, the things I'm skipping out on are superficial and unfun. A code review sounds like a pain in the ass, to be honest. Miss my better reality with that shit.
>However, you on the other hand needed to write a whole copium essay on how nothing matters and we all end up dead anyway
I'm sorry for alerting you to this distressing fact, but you should know it already.

 No.266823

>>266814
Amazing how Diogenes still triggers normalfags 2000 years later, what an absolute unit.

 No.266825

>>266814
Diogenes was based. Don't insult the wizard king.

 No.266826

>>266821
>If your choices are not being validated by others, the primate brain starts second guessing itself

Indeed. If others are not validating your nihilism, then you start to second guess yourself, what if I went wrong with trying to kill myself off with heart disease? What if I there really is a difference in what you do in life? The economy is gonna collapse any second now, right guys? Pajeets are taking over software development, you might as well save yourself 10-20 years of working in a DEAD END job. Being fat vs not fat? No difference, just normalfag beauty standards *burp*

We can make these kinds of psychological strawman all you want, but at the end of the day, I don't need social validation to affirm my choices. Apparently, my superior life quality is so self-evident, that I can humblebrag nonchalantly. Of course, at the same time, there is nothing really that enviable about my life, no one actually cares about that stuff, but it's still quite irksome for whatever reason, isn't it?

I went into this thread arguing for the simple principal of "improvement", the banal statement that a better reality is better and logically a worthwhile goal. The implication is that I'm defending wageslavery or exercise (the two horseman of the NEET apocalypse) but I'm arguing for something much more fundamental, not any particular method that claims to produce a better reality.

Basically I'm arguing against nihilism and anti-improvement tards are fundamentally nihilists that believe: (a) there is no difference between different outcomes, and/or (b) you can't influence reality anyway.

These discussions always go predictably in the same direction:
If you claim life can be better, then you better demonstrate with mathematical proof that ANYONE can suddenly have a quality life without any kind of effort or sacrifices or lame shit like that. Either no, there is nothing you can do, or there is, but it requires all this pesky stuff that doesn't make it worth it. Fine, it's your life and I don't care much either way to really prescribe solutions, only talk in general ways.

Your tactic is to throw as much shit as you can on me and see what fits. Never mind that I described working in my underwear and jerking off in between tasks, you still found it relevant to post some video made by normalfags mocking some live-for-the-grind lifestyle. At this point, you're not trying to have a discussion, you just need to get those social validation points online (since you lack social capital in real life) and get people to agree with shitty characterization because it helps you more easily dismiss any pesky second-thoughts about your life. Meanwhile, I went into this thread fully knowing I'm going against the grain and that I wouldn't get the luxury of having someone else validate and affirm my ideas. Do you go into a normalfag club and try to argue for being an anime watching NEET? No, you're gonna hit up the discord and get your pals to milk your metaphorical shaft to completion.

>>266823
He's literally baby's first philosopher. Every teenager knows about cynicism and how LAME everything is and how FAKE the adults are while you're a rebel for watching japanese media.

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>>266814
>>266826
Go do your spreadsheets bro. Gotta hustle and grind or you'll be left in the dust.

 No.266831


 No.266833

>>266830
Go fill in your MyAnimeList ratings bro. Gotta keep them cartoons running or you'll be left alone with your thoughts for several minutes.

>>266831
I liked when he said JOBS. Late stage capitalism, amirite?

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>>266833
My waifus are smiling at me, Norman, can you say the same?

 No.266836

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>>266835
>waifu

How…primitive. I have been married to my tulpa for years now and I can transform her appearance and personality with a single thought. I am having sex with her as we speak and I can multitask because I only need a small amount of cognitive energy to sustain her reality.

Enjoy your flat static drawing while I simulate all 5 senses and destroy your entire world view at the same time.

 No.266837

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>>266826

Not falling for this norman, your frail soul simply lacks the energy for spiritual manifestations of this caliber. But it's okay, you can always trade what's left of it to your boss for a pat on the back and a paycheck, to extend your banal existence. May be in a few dozen lifetimes you'll reincarnate as a higher lifeform (NEET wizard), and you'll finally add another dimension to your personality

 No.266839

>>266821
>Your posts are about yourself, even under the guise of helping other wizzies.
that sums up improvefags rather accurately

 No.266840

>>266837
Gee anon, who knew consuming a particular form of media from a tiny island nation would make you such a unique and interesting individual. Maybe one day I could acquire another dimension to my personality by saving hundreds of pictures of anime succubi and having a thousand watched shows on MAL like you. I mean, there's gotta be like only a dozen people on the planet that can rival your otaku knowledge and nihilistic humor.

 No.266841

>>266840
Straight up facts. You just owned yourself for that wizard. Now THAT's some multi-dimensional chess

 No.266842

>>266841
I kneel. I thought I was dealing with a Crunchyroll shounen watching amateur, but this wiz…you can tell he speedruns VNs and gets the harem sex ending every time.

 No.266843

If you can still improve yourself, you do not belong here

 No.266844

>>266843
wizcrab

 No.266846

>>266844
Crabs are your betters.

 No.266847

>>266846
Inncels are based and truewizards, but being an actual crab in a bucket is not.

 No.266848

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>>266826

>We can make these kinds of psychological strawman all you want, but at the end of the day, I don't need social validation to affirm my choices.

This is what, like your 9th paragraph in this thread defending your honor from filthy NEET reprobates taking it easy in life? Surrrre. Sorry fam, but your imaginary social model in which improvefags should be respected and admired is gonna be a tough sale here.
It should be said that not every person who works to better themselves is an improvefag. They're pretty quiet about it though, gentle in discussion, and simply engage in exertions because they feel like it, or for the love of the craft, without self-fellating or verbal duels with people who don't share their efforts, understanding and accepting of other "possible realities". There is no posturing. There is no need to convince yourself that you are making correct choices (by devaluing others' choices). There is no rumination on missed opportunities. In normalfag terms, they are "just doing it". But they might as well not, our actions are our own. Life is a sandbox with few regulations.

If I have to live my life again, I'll just wing it and take it easy once more, unless there's a worthwhile, or at least entertaining endeavor that's bigger than my transient little being.

Amor fati, my dude.

 No.266867

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I'd rather have time than money, status, fame, influence or power. Tryhards may spend their days chasing these but when their time comes they won't be able to buy even a single additional hour of life.

 No.266876

>>266848
>This is what, like your 9th paragraph in this thread defending your honor from filthy NEET reprobates taking it easy in life?

I know it's hard for you to understand, but I enjoy arguing. I never intended to go into this thread to win easy points and get a pat on the back for my choices from people that are clearly emotionally and ideologically opposed to work. In my opinion, I'm stating the obvious and there's less mental gymnastics needed to justify my position than your standard nihilist copium addict. By position, I don't mean "wageslavery"; if you still don't get it, re-read my shit without projecting an ebil improvebrah boogeyman.

>Sorry fam, but your imaginary social model in which improvefags should be respected and admired is gonna be a tough sale here.


Either you're hallucinating or your English reading comprehension is starting to deteriorate from all the anime fan translations. Next you're going to tell me I demanded a wizchan tax to fund the improvefags?

>HEY GUYS LOOK HOW EASY I'M TAKING IT HAHA I'M BARELY EVEN PUTTING IN EFFORT INTO THIS POST HAHA PLEASE VALIDATE ME


Yeah, ok, bud. This kind of shit is always subjective and unverifiable. I can claim I'm relaxing, you can claim it, at the end of the day, we live with ourselves. In your mind, winning this exchange is about feeling validated in your life choices, I just needed a laugh and something to do during work hours. If I needed validation, I'd invest in a cope mobile and post it on instagram. Instead, I'm humblebragging on an anonymous forum purely for the rush. It ain't it, chief.

>Amor fati, my dude.


I kneel. Only an anime watcher could make all the same mistakes again and go through the same suffering purely for the principle of it. Ironically, quite life affirming. Perhaps I am the last man, living in comfort instead of being hardened by poverty and turbulent emotions.

>>266867
Time to do what? The implication is that if I had the time, I'd be spending it watching anime or playing video games, because this is always preferable to LITERALLY any other rewarding activity. A job is simply an activity that you can get monetary compensation for, but it doesn't imply your subjective experience of it. I regularly binge watch series, get hooked on a game or two, but I can't imagine my life consisting solely of consuming media. Some of these games actually feel like work sometimes because you need to read guides on all the heroes and study the meta if you want to git gud and your teammates yell at you harder for underperforming than any boss I've ever had. Sometimes fiddling around trying to center a div vertically is more relaxing than that shit.

I think the anime watcher's worship of leisure is severely misguided. As the cynical gentleman pointed out, we're all on a hedonic treadmill so relaxation eventually becomes boredom and tedium. Leisure loses its meaning once there is no longer a contrast between leisure and the rest of your life. I'm not saying you should be living the grind, but without some kind of external challenge, your brain won't feel the need to release any feel good chemicals. I've been working from home since Corona-chan started and I'm low key bored out of my mind and running out of stuff to watch, so when I actually get a new task or problem to solve, I cherish it.

 No.266878

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>>266867
>In your mind, winning this exchange is about feeling validated in your life choices, I just needed a laugh and something to do during work hours.
>work hours
>he's been going at it ITT for two days straight
I hope you'll find gainful employment soon.

 No.266879

>>266878
I steal a couple minutes in between editing my spreadshits.

 No.266880

>>266879
Nah, I know autism when I see it. This is the kind of 'tism only possible with prolonged unemployment. Good work (lol), you had us going for a while

 No.266881

wtf mods not even enforcing rule 4 anymore apparently
goodbye comfy neets, hello improvebruh wageslaves

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>>266880
Oh no! My humblebrags don't work if you don't believe them! Nice try but I have TWO jobs and uh, I got them at the, uh, job market where grown ups interview you to be a manager. Also, I drive a car, not a bike or anything like that.

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 No.266893

>>264565
Stoner wizards who play video games and jack off!!! Wizchan 2021 everyone…

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>>266883
Normalniggers do be forgetting to memento their mories, shake my head

 No.266898

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look at you bastards losing your shit over someone having it a little better than yourselves, grow up

 No.266900

>>266898
crabs in a bucket failed normalfaggots should fuck off of Wizchan. Miserable fucks don't want to see anyone happy or doing anything productive with their time.

 No.266903

>>266900
But what about the crabs kicking down other crabs, who like the bucket?

 No.266904

>>266901
You're a crab in a bucket and a failed normalshit. You will respect the wizards on here and their ambitions in life or you will fuck off.

 No.266951

you all sound like a bunch of PUAs and dating coaches

 No.266970

>>266951
They really don't.
Like at all.

 No.267011

>>266904
Non-inncell strivers fuck off.

 No.269049

lol animehurt
lol careerhurt

 No.269055

>>269049
lol trollcope

 No.269136

>>266821
Gotta say, you are the first pessimist I don't mind. Thanks wiz

 No.269943

Improve? I plateau.

 No.269950

>>266835
>waifus
>plural
>calling other normans

 No.269951

>>269950
He’s quoting Skyrim.

 No.269953

>>269951
That's even worse.

 No.269954

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>Improve to become a normalfag
Ascend beyond reason and logic.
Don't improve the blade.
Don't study the blade.
Become the Blade.

 No.270084

>>269954
*SLASH*
But the weapon is useless without will.


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