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You'd better not be some fucking zoomer looking for hipster credit.

Hipsters are part of the reason that normalfags invaded geekdom. I've seen two zoomer hipsters walking around with fucking walkmans which were older than them.

I grew up before widescreen, I wouldn't care if a new show is in 4:3

>>276002
>>276003
Grew up before widescreen myself and I have legitimate reason to enjoy 4:9 so not sure why you think I may be hipster

>>276004
>not sure why you think I may be hipster
Cos the average age here seems to be 20 and this decade and most of the last decade seems to be built on faux-nostalgia.

>>276005
Not a hipster I find square image easier to watch and fine whilst *most* widescreen is wasted space

>>276001
Wide was just feature creeping and the cinematographers just zoom in too much now so ironically you see less now days with tv shows though in the past you were missing some stuff with movies on the sides, not that it was important stuff.

>>276002
>>276005
So you hate zoomers when they act different as they are zoomers but when they act older you hate them anyway? Could it be that you are merely jealous of youth?

4:3 is cool but even when I emulate stuff like NES games I just stretch them to 16:9

>>276009
I always used to stretch also with games. Does it really matter with games so much?

Who cares? I just want the screen I'm using to match the content

I like anamorphic / cinemascope if it's achieved by widening the horizontal FOV instead of just cropping the vertical FOV. I even have anamorphic lenses that I use to shoot home video. I'm a big fan of wide angle shots. I even play my video games at the max FOV that it allows. A FHD film that's actually 1920x960 saves on disk space too.

>>276013
>Who cares? Here's how I care
So if you were watching a 1920x1080 film on a 1920x1200 screen, the black bars atop and below the image would bother you?

>>276010
well if the game uses a mouse it can be jarring because the horizontal mouse movement will feel faster than the vertical one

>>276008
>Could it be that you are merely jealous of youth?

Wizchan 2021, being 30+ is bad apparently.

No, it's because most them aren't genuine in their "interest", retro is just a fashion statement to them, it's kitsch for them.

"Videotape is more organic".

It's the same shit when they claim love for old games that were iconic at the time but have aged like milk.

Firstly, it's 4:3. Not 4:9. Secondly, it's not really a square - that would be 1:1. It just looks square by comparison. Autism aside, I don't have a preference unless the TV/monitor/video player is deliberately stretching the image. Black bars > fatasses. Furthermore, next time you put a 4:3 video on the biggest TV in your house, try imagining it on a TV w/ the big back w/ a screen that size. It's mindblowing how drastically things have expanded thanks to flatscreens.

>>276022
to anyone's eyes it is a square

>>276008
> in the past you were missing some stuff with movies on the sides, not that it was important stuff.
Well made films use the aspect ratio as a way to enhance the film even if it is a smaller image.
When you want to show a characters reaction or face there is no need to see so much around them unless it is done artfully with reason to.
>>276015
tell me why black bars scare you? black bars are better than a distorted image. do you stretch older anime and cartoons?
>>276019
OP here and I do not like 4:9 for the reasons I mentioned because it is retro it is just more relaxing I noticed. I have been watching an anime series that is SOL and relaxing and in the third season it became widescreen and I noticed that it affected the enjoyment of the anime.
>>276022
Thank you for the correction.
I prefer to view things as intended. Sadly haibane renmei was upscaled when I watched it last :(

Another issue is upscaling. Seinfield was not technically upscaled and the additional screen space did not cause any signifigant problems aside from a microphone being visible in some scenes.
Anime and cartoons should never be upscaled because it distorts the image.

>>276028
why do you keep saying 4:9, there's no such thing

>>276038
>why do you keep saying 4:9
OP must be a zoomer.

I've seen 16:10, 16:9, 4:3, those 2.something:1 ratios they have for movies, etc but I've never seen a 4:9 ratio.

I have an old 4:3 LCD monitor I blow the dust off to watch old anime. I do like it more since it takes up less room on my desk.

The big thing though is The old CRT TVs have better color depth.

The cathode ray lights the screen but doesn't usually illuminate "black" pixels. It also doesnt require a backlight so the display is essentially AMOLED.

also as most old CSGO fucktards can atest to the screen is refreshed 1 line at a time so no refresh rate either, as such they don't suffer as much from interlacing issues or screen tearing.

4:3 is cool for photography, that's about it

>>276046
Is anywhere still making crt tvs anymore? I've been looking for a HD crt for a long time for a reasonable price but they seem to have been ever been released in the US.

>>276048
was wondering about that yesterday in case mine ever breaks, probably only japan does

>>276045
I think he is confused and meant 4:3 judging by the pic posted, which is the common standard ratio for standard definition, therefore used in productions meant only for TV before the HD era, like Sitcoms, Soap Operas TV dramas and of course the Simpsons.

>>276053
That explains why their fan art is of extremely low resolution even to this day where 4k has become common place.

>>276056
what

>>276056
>That explains why their fan art is of extremely low resolution
Wat.

You think most people in Japan still use CRT monitors? Most of which had HD resolutions anyway? And that's the reason their fan art apparently low resolution?

>>276059
tiny.

>>276059
how'd this go from crt tvs to monitors

>>276001
I don't have a problem with "widescreen" or square-screen. I play a lot of old games and watch a lot of old animes, and I like both.

>>276002
Oh, get lost, I'm going to enjoy how many old things as I want. And trust me, theres a lot of things of the past that are great. Get yourself stuck in the stupid past decade if you want. Nobody cares.

No.
4:9 has never been a good format. It is one that was build of compromises in the bad old times for shitty CRT TVs.

It is like being nostalgic about tapes (audio or video they both such ass). They made the content worse as a compromise for the level of affordable consumer tech. Now such compromises are thankfully unnecessary so it would be retarded to handicap your viewing experiences when better formats are standard.

>>276105
a square screen can enhance the viewing experience if it is taken into consideration. I am not being nostalgic I like to see the whole screen without having to look around too far.

>>276114
>a square screen can enhance the viewing experience if it is taken into consideration
No it can't.
>I am not being nostalgic
Yes you are
>I like to see the whole screen without having to look around too far.
Then don't sit 2 inches from the screen.

>>276105
For the last time it's 4:3

>>276122
Dude he's not being nostalgic, like the other anon said he's being a (zoomer) hipster.

A person who's being nostalgic would understand that it's an inferior format (unless there was an artistic reason) but it wouldn't matter because of sentimentality.

>>276131
Why does it have to be either being a nostalgiafag or zoomer? Certain scenes are better in 4:3 and I am gobsmacked that you can claim an ASPECT RATIO is inferior. Have you not watched films with shifting aspect ratios or non standard ones?

Look at how in anime now in order to show a close up of the face it is zoomed in too much or has a lot of background showing compared to what can be done with the earlier aspect ratio.

>>276132
I see you're willfully ignoring the part about 4:3 being okay if there is an artistic merit to it.

>>276133
I did not ignore it I actually did not even see it for some reason. What makes 16:9 inherently better though? because it is wide? by that logic a bigger screen is better or whatever is the next aspect ratio to become standard.

>(4:3)²= 16:9
There is way to put two 4:3 display images on a one 16:9 monitor half and half?

>>276132
>Certain scenes are better in 4:3
No they aren't.
>I am gobsmacked
*smack smack smack the gob*
>Have you not watched films with shifting aspect ratios or non standard ones?
I have seen damn near every aspect ratio in every context in nearly every situation.
Some are universally shitier then others. There is no context where 4:3 isn't shit compared to other options. Which is why you can't give a single example and instead keep talking around vague hypotheticals.

>Look at how in anime now in order to show a close up of the face it is zoomed in too much or has a lot of background showing compared to what can be done with the earlier aspect ratio.
What you said doesn't make sense.
Only shit formatted for small tv screens was in 4:3.
Anime wasn't natively in that format.
Or are you seriously going to get your butt blasted as I use this shit thread as a thin excuse to go full oldtaku on your contrarian ass as I rant about old anime for a few hours?
Because I rather rant about old anime.

>>276135
Only if you don't mind a gap in the middle.

>>276157
>rant about old anime
What does this mean? That you're going to rant about old anime being bad? Because that would confirm that the contrarian here is you.

>>276203
He didn't say he was going to rant negatively about old anime Mr zoomer.

Whatever works best. Ratio is irrelevant.

>>276001
4:3 for old video games

I grew up with 4:3 screens and after using widescreen for a few years I went back to it because I like the condensed view. Faux-nostalgia/nostalgia people are really fucking annoying, as is anyone who does something for a fashion statement/just to be different without even a tinge of reasoning.

>>287550
This image is a work of art

>>287550
You summed up how mental illness would look like if it manifested as a desktop. This is brilliant.

>>287550
This is why desktop icons should not even be a thing.

>>287550
that doesnt make any sense, no one is forcing you to expand every window to the max width on a widescreen monitor,

years ago i came to this conclusion OP you better be at least over 30 years old.

but all old pre widescreen content should be viewed in 4:3

>>287572
>no one is forcing you to
The desktop window manager itself is "forcing" me to, retard. Yes, I could put every program in windowed mode and resize it to be exactly as large as I like, OR I could get my old monitor out of my closet and plug it in. It makes perfect sense; I don't even get what your point is here.

>>287565
>>287567
>>287571
Thanks <3

>>287583
>The desktop window manager itself is "forcing" me to, retard
It is definitely not forcing you, you are using windows 10, not some tiling wm or whatever. A widescreen does exactly the same thing as a square monitor and more, you could even run a 4:3 resolution on your widescreen with black bars on the sides. If you don't like the width you don't have to use it, and you're not always supposed to use it, on the desktop it's basically stand-in for a second monitor. I don't see how I am a retard when you clearly don't know how to even resize a window. But as a second thought I don't think I should expect you to even comprehend this basic logic since your desktop looks like shit like a tech-illiterate grandma.

4:3 was a ratio developed by photographers who spent years studying human sight, eye movements, and focus. For anything you want to take in 'all at once' 4:3 is the superior ratio. This is going to include subtitled animes, since the eye-dance between areas of focus in subtitled media can already be a visual burden. However, if an anime was not originally created for the 4:3 ratio then cropping off the sides is a significant loss, since anime, as a wholly constructed stage, usually has a heightened importance to its stage dressing. Even if you aren't supposed to look for the details in objects along the side of the pane they can affect semi-perceptible qualities of the scene such as color balance, lighting, sense of space etc.

Wider ratios were adopted in film specifically because if the screen was going to be big, then the viewers would usually prefer horizontal over vertical movement of their eyes. Too wide is better than too wide and too tall, and much better than too tall. This also gave the ability to film action and motion better, as people are more likely to leap or run from one side of a frame to the other than to levitate into the air. This does not apply to most uses of computer screens. A computer screen is usually used to produce and examine documents and assets, when not used for gaming. Documents are generally best viewed at their native paper sizes. Drafting documents are best viewed on wider monitors, similar to the ANSI D-sized sheet; text documents on taller monitors, similar to the ANSI A-sized sheet. Games, though, are a different beast altogether.

You didn't see many trailing-camera third person perspective games in the 4:3 monitor/tv age. I can name several, Body Harvest for Nintendo, Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight for PC, Oni for PC/Playstation, but that sort of a look and feel is better suited to a landscape that emphasizes horizontal movement. Flight sims, especially space-sims like X3 or X-Wing or Wing Commander, were more suited towards a 4:3 monitor in which the whole visual field was intended to be taken in at once and vertical movement was more common than other kinds of games. Impersonal perspective games like strategy games seem to try to fit their camera mode to the screen. Isometric views that emphasized the horizontal over vertical became more common when widescreens did, and it'd be a hassle to try to make that look and feel work on a 4:3.

>>287590
Microsoft's Desktop Window Manager (what it is actually fucking called) is what resizes the screen to take up the entire monitor, and it does this automatically, which essentially "forces" fullscreen by default. And I specifically addressed the resizing issue by saying I dont want to manually resize a window every time I want it to look like something a monitor could provide me. And it's childish to focus on how a desktop looks; I don't use the desktop because I use this thing called the "file manager", and when I'm not on windows I'm using an operating system where I spend most of my time in a tty anyyways. You're a retard because you can't employ basic reasoning skills. You' re a fucking dolt and you don't know shit about the basics of operating systems.

>A widescreen does exactly the same thing as a square monitor and more
>"ooooh more more!!!"
Fuck off you stupid mindless consumer, you don't know shit from shinola.

>>287594
>Microsoft's Desktop Window Manager (what it is actually fucking called) is what resizes the screen to take up the entire monitor, and it does this automatically
Your monitor or graphics card decides to stretch the screen's image or not, whatever window manager you use has no say in this
>I dont want to manually resize a window every time
Any modern application on windows will remember the scale you had it at when you closed it
>I don't use the desktop because I use this thing called the "file manager"
Then turn the desktop icons off, what is even the point
>I'm using an operating system where I spend most of my time in a tty anyyways
Doubt, you look like you spend most of your time watching children's cartoons
>you stupid mindless consumer
You said you already own a widescreen, there's no reason not to use it in any circumstance. And taking another glance, you are not even running a 4:3 resolution, I really doubt you own a 5:4 monitor, so I am not putting it past that you are just trolling and you set that entire picture up to look as stupid as possible for replies

I just hate black bars on the tops or sides. Feels like such a waste. id rather lose the art, and have all of my big screen used

>>287610
>Your monitor or graphics card decides to stretch the screen's image or not, whatever window manager you use has no say in this
the monitor interfaces with the desktop manager.
>Then turn the desktop icons off, what is even the point
there's no point in turning it off if I don't care.
>Doubt, you look like you spend most of your time watching children's cartoons
There's a high correlation between watching kids cartoons and using teletypes.
>Any modern application on windows will remember the scale you had it at when you closed it
not true, also dont care. I dont want to see the sides of the screen.
>You said you already own a widescreen, there's no reason not to use it in any circumstance.
yes there is. I don't want to. That's the reason. I'm not going to use something I dont need to just because software can simulate it worse.

If you aren't trolling, I don't know how you can be this stupid. None of your popints make sense; they sound like /g/ arguments translated into english. What is it about my mointor and my desktop folder that makes you so irrationally mad to the point of making stupid arguments like this?

>you are not even running a 4:3 resolution
picrel is my other monitor
>I really doubt you own a 5:4 monitor
never said I was

>>287622
1280x1024 is 5:4

>>287624
Oh shit, i guess you're right lol

>>287622
That desktop is ridiculous I don't think I need to go into why, you are following some /g/ meme spec

>>287627
I'm really not… I've been using fluxbox longer than I've been on /g/ (2014 vs 2016) because that was the first DE I saw when I installed slackware. It's nice, easy to configure, and doesn't take up much of anything. Also, last time I checked people on /g/don't like fluxbox, but I haven't gone there in eyars as no good tech discussion actually happens there.

>I don't think I need to go into why
Yes, you do. Otherwise you are clearly bullshitting and either don't know what you're talking about or are simply buttmad at my desktop for no conceivable reason (or both, which is realistically the most likely case).

By the way, you type like a child. Your lack of punctuation and your irrational anger at random things makes you come off as a child.

>>287632
You don't happen to be >>>/meta/62000 do you?

>>287633
no, I wouldnt want a tech board here or anywhere really. And I'm not banned from 4channel either