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 No.289703[Last 50 Posts]

TWO LATEST MASS SHOOTERS WERE "EGGED-ON" BY THE SAME DISCORD GROUP. UKRAINE CAN'T PRODUCE ENOUGH WHEAT TO PAY THE INTEREST FOR LEND-LEASE AID. WEF REQUIRES 5,000 ARMORED TROOPS TO DEFEND ITS ANNUAL SKI TRIP. CANADIAN MASSACRE MOUNDS PROVEN TO BE TREE ROOTS, TRUDEAU CANCELS GLOBALIST FUNDRAISER DUE TO POTENTIAL HONKING. SWEDISH PM BACKS OUT OF IMMIGRANT QUOTAS AS NATION IS DESCRIBED AS "HELLHOLE OF RAPE"

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 No.289707

When will americans finally realize giving weapons to every retard isn't something that will end well??? It is a comedy at this point.
>b-but you can kill with a knife too, guns aren't the problem!!
True in a way but with guns you can do much more damage until you are eliminated than with a knife or car for example. So again, why is it necessary to arm every redneck, psycho and nigger to the teeth?

 No.289708

>>289707
Go get some iq points

 No.289710

heil israel
welcome to america

 No.289711

>>289707
That's one of the nonissues used as red herring to not talk about actually important things like rampant inflation, rampant evictions, explosion of homelessness and rent, erosion of the middle-class and increasing income disparity. It amazes me how nothing of actual consequence is ever brought up to public attention and how stupid people are in general to be lead by the nose so easily.

 No.289713

>>289707
>give
They cost money, which you might know if you've ever bought one.

 No.289716

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 No.289725

>>289708
No, you give me a reasonable reply.

>>289711
How the hell is it a red herring? You can only talk about other issues if you are alive in the first place and not dead because some teenager crab had a bad day and decided to go on a shooting spree.

>>289713
That's not really a big requirement.
Yes, this is what I am talking about. If you have money you can buy a gun and kill people. This is wrong.

>>289716
The "right for self-defense" is retarded in this meaning, there is literally no sense in allowing citizens to carry weapons. Is it a surprise that mass shootings happen every week in the USA? What the hell do people like you think guns are made for? They are made to kill others. It's not a knife which you can use to slice bread. It is a weapon, a dangerous weapon. They never protect anyone.

Allowing the police to carry weapons is more than enough in any society. If you allow the average retard to get his hands on it you will end up with anarchy and bloodshed which could have been prevented.

 No.289727

>>289725
Killing people is wrong. Buying a gun is not.

 No.289730

>>289725
Millions of people shouldn't be punished over several psychos. Most gun owners are reasonably responsible with firearms.

 No.289731

Anybody can buy a gun for any reason and use it the next day to shoot up a school. Limiting owning a gun to reasonable people isn't unreasonable.

 No.289732

>>289731
And who decides who is reasonable?

 No.289733

This latest shootings has proven what a failure gun control is. Police were there and didn't do shit, and we want to give them MORE power? When do we call for government control instead? When do we call for less funding for the police because they fucked up? When do we fire the FBI for having shit intelligence (and probably egging this on because they were trying to use this to balloon their budgets)?

 No.289734

>>289733
Agreed. If the six-year-olds were sufficiently armed, this whole tragedy could have been avoided.

 No.289735

>>289734
Unironically yes.

 No.289736

>>289734
Most likely the children would have left their guns in their lockers or whatever, but possibly they could have been left at the back of the room with their coats and backpacks.

 No.289737

>>289734
Demoralization.

 No.289739

>>289736
At least one cool kid would've been playing with his gun and not paying attention in class. He would've noticed the armed individual enter and quickly neutralized him with 3 shots to center mass and saved the day.

 No.289741

>>289739
>nogunner thinks kids would be playing with their guns in class
could you possibly be more detached from reality?

 No.289742

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This mass shooting is probably the best optics gun supporters have gotten in a long time because of how awful the alternatives acted. I'm surprised the media is even reporting on it instead of ignoring it like a weekend shooting in Chicago.

 No.289747

>>289741
What if there was a black kid? With their gang street smarts they would've known something was off and blasted that fool right as he was walking in the door, while holding the gun sideways of course for extra accuracy.

 No.289748

>>289734
No, the school should have some light armed security.

 No.289749

>>289747
I doubt that.

 No.289750

>>289748
There were dozens of police officers outside while the shooting was happening and none of them did anything. What makes you think a "light armed security" guy would risk his life with his p-shooter against a machine gun? How many guys do we need and what kind of hardware do they need to secure every possible school in America? So instead of paying for good math teachers, just hire ex special forces to secure the perimeter.

Now consider the following: what if there was just a law that prohibited the sale of a certain class of weapons, ones with potential to do lots of damage quickly, from being sold to just anyone i.e. a kid that just turned 18 and was known as troublesome by the authorities? Put enough bureaucratic bullshit around it and most people will probably be discouraged from getting these weapons at all (you especially filter out people with no impulse control) and you extend the time where the authorities can flag dangerous individuals in time before they shoot up a school, like if there was a 10-day training class required or a psych eval. The kid literally turned 18 and went out and bought two rifles in cash like it was nothing.

 No.289752

>>289750
What machine gun?

 No.289756


 No.289759

>>289752
Oy, that's not a machine gun, that's an semi-automatic AR-15 style rifle and you can practically use that for hunting, deer or school children alike, if you so damn well please.

 No.289760

>>289742
>that pic
>B-BUT ANON THEY'RE *OUR* CHILDREN! OURS! YOU HAVE KIDS TOO DON'T YOU, FELLOW WIZARD?
Your pic was made by normies, for norimes

 No.289761

>>289750
They would already be inside the building for one thing. Even if we go with your assumption that they would act the same as the police, it's still a greater deterrent than "a bunch of fat fuck cowards in uniform will drive over in 15-20 minutes then impotently stand outside and block vigilantes from saving their children."

 No.289762

>>289759
I've heard it suggested that chambering one for .22 and using subsonic ammunition can be useful for uh intelligence work where you don't want to make a lot of noise but might still want to get people off your back because most people most of the time don't like being shot at even if it's .22

But I wouldn't know about things like that when it comes to assault rifle 15s.

 No.289765

>>289760
You haven't demoralized me yet.

 No.289766

>>289765
How am I attempting to "demoralize" you?

 No.289768

>>289761
Why not just make it more difficult for retards to buy guns? If you really believe in freedom and 2A and all that stuff, then a couple more hoops to jump through aren't going to be a big deal, as long as they make future school shooters into something more like school stabbers or drastically lower their effectiveness at killing so that you can have a "light armed security" guard put him down if need be, no need to wait for a SWAT team to handle a teenager.

I'm sure if John Wick was the security guard, he'd blast an entire team worth of school shooters in a very cinematic fashion, but you go risk your life for 20 bucks an hour LOL

The logic is very simple:
disturbed teenager + overpowered gun = lots of dead chlldren
disturbed teenager + no gun = shits his pants and rolls on the floor until he tires out

Your logic is to just put the national guard in front of every school as a deterrent, as if the retarded teenager would even think about the consequences instead of just grabbing his rifle and mowing down random people.

 No.289771

>>289768
List what "hoops" you think should be implemented instead of a vague mention of them.
>Your logic is to just put the national guard in front of every school as a deterrent.
It would be nice if you could refrain from grossly misrepresenting my comments in the future. Lots of schools already have a small team of armed security.

 No.289773

>>289766
That wiz is paranoid

 No.289774

>>289771
Some kind of process that takes some amount of time and energy to go through in order to get your hands on a gun which would hopefully filter out anyone impulsive or showing red flags. The more dangerous and specialized the weapon, the more stuff you need to do.

Currently it's basically:
>hello i'd like to buy an AR-15
>no problem kiddo just pick one off the wall
>this one? you want a laser scope on it too? -50% discount this week!

It should be:
>hello i'd like to buy an AR-15
>ok here's a bunch of forms, it will take 2 months to get a license and the gun, you will have to go through mandatory training, a psych eval and a background check of course.
>also i want 200 bullets for it please
>that's a lot of ammo. you gotta fill out more forms and do xyz too

the next day:
>hello, i am from the ATF, as part of the process of acquiring a high-powered weapon, we are required to do an interview. tell us about what you generally plan to do with the gun and so on.

I mean, this is up to the people writing the legislature, but the general idea is to just put more barriers in there that most people can go through without a problem, but will help flag individuals that shouldn't own them. I mean, one look at that kid and you'd know he was up to no good. Background check would reveal some history of violence, domestic abuse, psych eval would show red flags too.

You're saying we should just put Rambo security guards in schools instead of just doing very basic gun regulation that still lets hillbillies shoot at cans in their backyard or whatever, but doesn't let psychos get overpowered guns unless they're 300IQ mega geniuses that look completely normal.

 No.289775

>>289774
presumably no regulations can be introduced because nobody trusts the federal government not to politicize the process to exclude their enemies, which is the entire purpose of the 2a to begin with

 No.289776

>>289774
Well, it depends on how strict those evaluations are then. If they see I have mental illness diagnoses and disqualify me over them, that's retarded. I've owned firearms for over a decade without issue. Even among the mentally ill, shooters are an incredibly small subset. I'm not sure an evaluation would perfectly weed them out. Is it really any harder than just not talking about hearing voices or experiencing violent desires? Because I am sure most gun store clerks would ban you if you went in and plainly said, "Hi, I'm looking for a gun that is reliable for committing a mass shooting. I want to maximize the amount of people I can murder." I presume most would even report you to the authorities.
I would also say that other reforms could be implemented that would affect less people, like overhauling police procedure, which is dogshit for many other scenarios too. Create more robust training that delves into specifics and require police to be more actively involved. They project this image to the public that they are defenders and constantly fall short of that. I'm not sure they generally do much of anything besides act as glorified meter-maids. Hell, police are given tons of military surplus nowadays even. With that kind of gear, they should be more than capable of taking down one armed criminal, as well as willing to risk their lives in those worst cases. Compensate them more or something to match the greater expectation, but they should already have accepted the risks when they considered entering the force.
I'm not sure what you think misrepresenting what I said about armed security adds to the conversation. This isn't your stand-up routine. Your ludicrously exaggerated caricatures of my view (and really, not only my view but something already practiced in many schools) are better off not typed out at all. Stretching what I said to the point it is no longer recognizable isn't a compelling counterargument. No, a few armed guards at every school is not remotely comparable to cloning the entire army or enlisting action heroes or whatever point you are trying to make with this reasoning (if any at all).

 No.289777

My right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED. Cry harder shitlib

 No.289780

>>289777
This, I'd rather die than give up my guns.

 No.289781

>>289780
Dumbass Amerinigger

 No.289782

>>289776
I think the key is having actual people do interviews and make judgement calls. The guy at the store just wants to sell the gun, he's not going to dig deep, it's not his problem what anyone does with it.

The objective of the psych eval should be: is this person fit to own a firearm, does he/she understand what they have in their hands, do they have the mental faculties needed to take care of it, do they understand the implications of taking a human life and so on etc. These school shooters are wacked in the head, any trained psych professional would be able to spot them, then they could just recommend against the permit.

Of course, that costs government money, to hire professionals and all the bureaucracy required to implement these processes. Cheapest option is for a computer to flag people with certain DSM disorders, but that obviously just discriminates against a certain class of people, and these shooters are young enough to not have a significant record. That's why an eval by a real person is important in my opinion. It's like child protective services, at some point they just decide to take away the child if you're not a good enough parent. A home visit by an ATF agent might also be good, he could also recommend against the permit for whatever reason. Then I guess you could just argue it in court if you want to fight it and a judge makes the final call. That seems fair to me.

>>289777
Hope they shoot up your trailer park next, cowboy.

 No.289783

>>289776
>Your ludicrously exaggerated caricatures of my view

You watch too many movies and think some average security guy would be able to take down a heavily armed psychopath. You think it's like a video game and you just rush the guy and blast a headshot. Special forces teams train for months in order to learn how to handle hostage situations and how to kick down doors and enter rooms in a tactical manner where they don't end up dead (and guess what, they still die).

 No.289784

>>289777
>>289780
Please return to /pol/ or facebook or twitter or whatever normgroid website you use as a forum

 No.289786

>>289777
My right for you to ligma shall not be infringed. Stay salty, rightard

 No.289787

>>289782
It seems reasonable enough. I have nothing to add besides that I think the point remains on implementation and how stringent the rules are. I really don't want to lose my guns. I am a paranoid mess, but I never think about shooting other people past my life being threatened. Luckily, that usually doesn't happen. The couples times it did, I still lacked the resolve to shoot and first attempted scaring intruders off by pointing a rifle at them. I still lost things, a couple especially sentimental things no less.
I guess I should reiterate that psych+background check shouldn't strip rights away from mentally ill like me. Unfortunately, I think preemptively stopping crime will set a terrible precedent.
>>289783
No, this is what YOU believe. This is why my view of armed security in schools has been perpetually misrepresented. YOU think life is a video game and the shooter has 200/100 armor/health like Doom or whatever. Actually fuck off. Tired of this accusation. I should report you for trolling at this point. The jump from clone army to action movie hero to "no u" to literal video game logic is ridiculous.

 No.289788

>armed security in schools
lol

 No.289790

>>289788
You can sage and lol all you want, but it already exists in the US. Next time, try making a real argument instead of coming off as being so butthurt that you can't function enough to make a real comment.

 No.289799

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>>289782
>The objective of the psych eval should be:
can you name another right that's contingent on psychological evaluation?

>>289788
obviously no security is necessary. yanks used to take rifles to school without any mass shootings (i guess american schools had ranges for practice, like our cadets have), it's an entirely cultural phenomena from the last 25 years

 No.289800

>>289799
>can you name another right that's contingent on psychological evaluation?

You need to have proper eyesight in order to drive a car, as well as pass a written test and practical test. I'm sure that disqualifies a ton of people and they don't bitch about it being unconstitutional because people understand that cars are dangerous and only responsible people should drive them. We have processes in place to filter out people that shouldn't drive. Obviously, people can still drink and drive and runover people intentionally one day, but you can't predict that.

With guns, which are a lot more dangerous than cars, we should have similar processes. If you don't have the mental capacity to own a gun, maybe you should own one. You think that kid would have been able to make it through a 45 minute conversation with a psych without breaking down? Would an ATF agent making the home visit, not immediately get a bad vibe after he interviews his parents/grandparents? Apparently, no one in his family knew he had bought two powerful AR-15 style rifles through an online store.

Also, I'm pretty sure it's standard procedure with some law enforcement agencies to have mandatory counselling after an officer involved shooting, which is basically a psych eval that can take away the officer's gun and badge if the psych in question finds that the person is no longer fit for duty. I think we should extend that to the general population and have a standardized psych eval that's basically just asking a couple questions, talking about the gun, what the person would do with it, where the interest in guns came from and so on. You really don't need more than a 45 minute conversation with somebody to gauge whether they're the kind of person to responsibly use a gun or a kid that's disturbed and is itching to empty a clip out on someone. And if you don't catch them all, doesn't matter, you still filter a certain amount of people that shouldn't have them, that reasonable people would agree shouldn't have them.

Gun regulation is normal around the world. If you're this paranoid about your government, maybe you should move to Switzerland or something.

 No.289801

>>289799
Most rights can actually be stripped from you if a court finds you mentally incompetent and someone decides to be your guardian.

>>289800
owning a car is not a constitutionally enshrined right.

 No.289802

>>289787
>YOU think life is a video game and the shooter has 200/100 armor/health like Doom or whatever.

Sorry champ, but this is not like CS:GO bots where they have a 2 second delay before they shoot you and they can't aim. If the shooter sees you, he opens up fire and blasts you into pieces with his overpowered gun. Also, he's suicidal and probably amped on drugs, while you value your life presumably. This means you're at an immediate disadvantage.

So what would you do in this situation? The shooter was locked in classroom with 15 kids and a teacher. What Rambo skills do you use as a security guard with no military or police training? Ok wait, you've seen this one before, he just throws in a flash grenade, right? That's how they do it in Rainbow Six Siege. So he's blinded and you just walk in, pop a headshot, get the MVP for the round and type "gg" in the chat, right? Or maybe you recline through the duct vent and blast that fool? Or maybe you set up a bear trap in front of the door and throw a quarter, and as dumb of an enemy as he is, he must investigate, so you stealth behind him and cut his throat without alerting the rest of the potential enemies. Yeah, that sounds pretty reasonable to me.

 No.289803

>>289802
This is bait and i'm taking it.

 No.289805

>>289803
I'm just asking you how a "light armed security" guard would handle that situation because I have no clue. Simple logic tells you that AR-15 beats a handgun in terms of firepower, so maybe the guards should at least have some proper rifles, a vest, tactical helmet, UAV and air support? Dude, it would be so easy, just call a tactical nuke on the shooter. Every school should have a drone over head, shooting anyone it detects with the intent to kill. There's so many cool possibilities for security and the dumb libtards just want to add some paperwork when buying a gun LOL

 No.289806

>>289805
Simple logic tells you that my dad works at nintendo and he can beat up your dad.

 No.289808

>>289806
Wait, I got it, the security guard could just curve the bullet like in that movie with Angelina Jolie. It'd be like woosh and it goes 90 degrees around the corner, between two six year olds and directly into the school shooter's head. Every Texan gun owner knows how to do that shit, at least the ones that aren't cowardly bitches.

 No.289809

>>289800
>Gun regulation is normal around the world. If you're this paranoid about your government, maybe you should move to Switzerland or something.
then it follows if you want to make the case for gun regulation in america, first you must make the case for the american government

 No.289810

>>289781
>tries to tell Americans how American society should be governed
>gets upset when actual Americans tell him to fuck off

 No.289814

I can't believe that this is somehow being used to _support_ gun control. What an absolutely clear-cut anti-gun control case. Reminds me of The Kenosha Kid.

 No.289817

I don’t care how many kids die I still don’t support gun control

 No.289819

>>289814
In this case, the whole thing could have been prevented if the dumbass kid wasn't able to buy a gun. I'm not sure how less gun control would've changed anything. Well, maybe the shooter would've bought a bazooka and fired it at the school and while he was reloading, the cleaning lady would've saved the day with her sniper rifle hidden inside the broom.

 No.289820

>>289819
I'm not sure how more gun control would've change anything. You have to solve a problem with something, and the currently solution of the police doing something appears atrocious. They're just going to continue they're trick of "Make a tragedy to increase funding of police/ATF/FBI" without them ever getting called out for it. They caused this tragedy, and now they're going to get more power for it. Sickening.

 No.289822

america is the great satan

 No.289823

I don't understand why americans care so much about "Muh guns" why the fuck you want so many weapons for? Because the constitution? fuck that shit, thats not a fucking bible, for protection? protection from what? from the same shithole you created?

The US is such a retarded place, I can feel my neurons dying every time I read about the newest shit they come up with, in more sane and intelligent places this shit would never happen.

 No.289824

>>289802
This nigga is right, everyone is a fucking commando on the internet, but even gunfags here would be scared as shit and would start crying if some suicidal asshole with an assault rifle entered your room, you would shit yourselves.

 No.289828

>>289824
Dude, it’s some depressed scared fag swinging his gun around cause he’s deluded and angry. He’s not a soldier, he’s not a cop, he’s not even above average physically lest he probably wouldn’t go on spree shootings. People think that just cause he bought a “fancier” model of gun he’s god. If you shoot that faggot in the leg he’s going down just as hard as if you got him in the head.

I’ll admit that someone suicidal will be more dangerous than a security guard who’s just trying to get through his shift, but there is a point where someone with training should be able to stay cool and deal with the situation he was hired to deal with. What if someone went and robbed a bank and all the cops wouldn’t stop them cause they were scared they’d get hurt. Or firefighters refusing to extinguish a fire cause they could get burned. What the fuck is the point then?

 No.289829

>>289823
>I don't understand why americans care so much about "Muh guns" why the fuck you want so many weapons for?
i believe the initial idea was to have no standing armies

>Because the constitution? fuck that shit, thats not a fucking bible

sure, if you want to dissolve the constitution, and therefore dissolve the united states, there are plenty of secessionists on the right who will agree with you

 No.289830

>>289820
Actually, I take it back, more laws ain't going to fix anything. America is just a shithole filled with mentally ill and evil people. There's plenty of countries with lax gun laws and you don't see this shit happening, it's strictly a burger phenomenon for whatever reason. If they added a law prohibiting mentally ill people from owning guns, then you might as well just ban all americans from having them since there is zero good human beings in this shithole LOL

I mean, 20 kids dying at a school shooting probably wasn't even the worst thing that happened that day in this rotten country. We have the most serial killers, the most gang violence, more than any other civilized country. I don't think a couple more laws are suddenly going to fix this clusterfuck of a turd. Are nigger suddenly going to gain 30 IQ points and stop playing war games in the hood? Nah. Is that insel suddenly going to snap out of his murderous rage? Nah. They'll find an outlet, one way or another.

 No.289831

>>289823
>protection from what? from the same shithole you created?
Unironically this. This place is so shit we can NOT depend on the government for ANYTHING. So many cities are complete fucking hellholes that if our guns go away we literally can NOT defend ourselves and survive through day to day life.

 No.289833

>>289727
But guns are made for exactly the purpose of killing others or injuring them. What do non-mass shooters even need guns for?

>>289730
It's not a punishment, it is common sense not to provide firearms into the hands of the common people. Like I keep saying, guns don't have any purpose aside from hurting others. Why give it to average citizens? Americans are so weird. As a Eurowiz I can't understand it.

>>289831
You don't understand that wiz you replied to. He meant that your cities are hellholes exactly because you have so much guns and these guns are available to everyone basically. This retard logic "let's arm the population to defend itself!" will ALWAYS create more violence and crime in the end. Because the average man can't be trusted. Gun culture is the reason you have mass shootings, gun culture is the reason your cops are paranoid psychos who shoot someone if he even just scratches himself suddenly and this is absolutely unnecessary.

I live in Europe, here guns are extremely hard to get legally. And it shows, because we have minimal gun violence. Both on the part of criminals and both on part of the police!
>b-but criminals can get weapons and guns illegally
Yes, indeed it happens but when they are used the police handles them quickly and much better than any redneck in your country can defend himself probably.

"The right to own guns" to me sounds like a cheap trick. A trick to make people believe they are completely free when they aren't. If anything, gun culture resulted in the police state the USA is.

 No.289834

>>289833
you know you can shoot at things other than people with a gun right?

 No.289835

>>289834
I know but that isn't what guns are made for and you know it too. You could just play CoD or use airguns if you want to fool around. If you consider the positive or rather not harmful uses of guns and the harm they can cause it is obvious that guns should be restricted.

 No.289836

>>289833
>Because the average man can't be trusted
yet the man whos brain if fried from constant adrenaline rushes and is desensitized to treating other humans like garbage can be trusted, curious. are police more moral, or more courageous than the average person? what a solution, take away guns from people who want to defend themselves and give them to those who want power over others.

 No.289837

>>289836
it's nonsense, these same people who were chanting ACAB a few months ago now want only police to have guns.

 No.289838

>>289836
It isn't police officers who commit mass shootings, sorry. Try harder.

Again, you want guns to be able to defend yourself…against guns??? Why not just ban guns in the first place?

 No.289839

>>289838
If the police can't be trusted to protect people with guns, why can they be trusted to enforce a gun ban?

 No.289843

>Post argument against "muh guns"
>Retarded american >>289831 thinks that it was actually a pro gun argument
>We need MOAR guns to solve this problem caused by gun use!

Americans are truly low IQ apes, they deserve every single bad thing it happens to them, stupidity has a price.

 No.289844

>>289843
we just have too many niggers shooting each other up. they are inflating how bad it really is

you can't prevent mass shootings without becoming neutered sissy euro bugpeople. it is simply the price that must be paid

 No.289848

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 No.289849

>>289843
>Americans are truly low IQ apes
Then at least the Americans have a more efficient means of Darwinian selection.

 No.289850

>>289843
Your arguments aren't convincing.

 No.289854

>>289838
>It isn't police officers who commit mass shootings
you were talking about how police are better human beings than the rest of us, not how they dont commit mass shootings. my response was meant to demonstrate how police officers are not better human beings, theres nothing that necessitates them being better human beings, and in fact there are forces which push them to become worse human beings.

>Again, you want guns to be able to defend yourself…against guns??? Why not just ban guns in the first place?

because banning guns just means that people who dont care enough to evade the police wont have guns, it does not erase guns from the face of the earth. it would be cool if we could just snap our fingers and make all guns disappear and make everyone forget how to make them, but we live in the real world, where guns exist. and as long as guns exist, bad people will have them, be they regular people, police officers, or soldiers. there is nothing guaranteeing that any one of these groups will act properly, so we need guns to defend ourselves.

aside from that though, the actual reason why banning guns is a bad idea, is because it is immoral. self defense is a right that everyone on the planet has, it doesnt matter what has to be used or who it is. if you believe that people have a right to defend themselves, it logically follows that they have the right to what they need to defend themselves. people should uphold what is right, and have the capacity to do so. what you are suggesting is that people should not be allowed to uphold what is right, at all, you want people to ask permission from the holy government or police force to uphold what is right. your stance against guns is entirely rooted in your religious belief in authority.

>>289837
i prefer to leave group identities aside. if you treat someone like a part of a hivemind, dont be surprised when they act like part of a hivemind. people are generally going to just hold themselves back and buy into group identification, but dont reinforce that.

 No.289856

>>289854
>because banning guns just means that people who dont care enough to evade the police wont have guns

This is actually false, in countries where gun possession is illegal (like most of Europe, China and Japan) gun related violence is extremely low, it really is so difficult to acquire guns in those places that making them illegal pretty much meant that they disappeared for the vast majority of the public, including criminals that find getting guns incredibly difficult and so they resort to knives or direct physical violence in the majority of cases.

So yeah illegalizing guns does work.

 No.289859

>>289856
yeah great job, at turning them into sissies. they can't protect themselves against the government or immigrants. they are domesticated tax animals

 No.289860

>>289856
>where gun possession is illegal (like most of Europe, China and Japan) gun related violence is extremely low
>as long as guns exist, bad people will have them
sounds like were in total agreement

>So yeah illegalizing guns does work

i never indicated that i saw lowering gun crime as a goal to work towards, but sure, i guess illegalizing guns does reduce overall gun crime. you know what else would reduce gun crime? locking up every man on the planet, it would solve a lot more than gun crime too, crime in general would decrease drastically. so why dont we just do that? could it be because thats completely immoral and insane? maybe hyperfocusing on one form of immorality and committing another act of immorality to stop it isnt an actual solution at all.

 No.289861

>>289859
>Muh sissies that can't protect themselves from muh government
So gun use in the US is actually compensating for something else lmao, the liberal meme is true.

 No.289862

>>289860
>Gun control is immoral and insane, is as immoral and locking up everyone
This is why I never argue with american retards, their dumb arguments just don't deserve any replies, keep killing each other if you really want to, american lives are worthless anyway.

 No.289863

>>289859
umm if you think there's more to this than harm reduction and tax revenues you're an anarchist/fascist sweetie, we already agreed the status quo is the zenith of civilization

 No.289866

>>289862
>strawman + non-reply ad hominem
i win

 No.289869

>>289866
You win the argument but I won in life because at least I don't live in a nigger ridden shithole that is also full of retarded people with guns.

Being a gun controlled sissy is way better than being American, the government can leave me with no guns if they want so as long as they keep me safe and give me free healthcare and education.

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>>289869
>the government can leave me with no guns if they want so as long as they keep me safe and give me free healthcare and education.
why not both?

 No.289871

>>289869
And which country might you live in?

 No.289873

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'k, so, here's the reason guns are important in america.
it's the same as the reason shootings are popping up so much in america.
the american people exist in a system in which they have what are called "enemies."
these "enemies" are generally interested in the destruction, destitution, impoverishment and exploitation of american individuals.
in general, as individuals, the perceived enemy is almost random.
however, the pressure exerted by enemy as a net force fracturing the alienated individual, like a kernel popping in corn, is a positive.
it constitutes a sign that revolutionary potential exists in the population, and that this potential is being activated.
just as engels mocked 'non-violent' and 'non-forceful' revolution as an oxymoron, any meaningful political act will be accompanied by violence. non-violence can only be maintained in a system that is not at war, and a system in which one is always amongst one's enemies is systemic war. the ruling class in america has worked hard to maintain atomization and alienation in order to ensure that said war is always of all-against-all, or at least all-against-one, because the development of actual factions and resulting ability to coordinate violence amongst the ruled could lead to meaningful political acts against their rulership.
trotsky's words of individual acts of violence being unsupportable were correct, in that individual violence never constitutes a meaningful political act, but in a way they were also incorrect in that the execution of meaningful political acts is always presaged by and accompanied by them.
the system is fundamentally threatened by any, any, ANY ability to coordinate and organize violence. such an ability naturally and necessarily constitutes a body in revolt, a body which threatens the system's monopoly on organized violence, which acts as an alternative to the system's enforcement. in perhaps 99% of cases these alternatives act as nothing more than replacement-in-kind for the system, performing the same acts in the same manner with the same goals, like vigilance committees. the system tolerates these elements, but always views them with suspicion, even when they work within and in parallel with the system like the Lynwood Vikings. however, the system becomes truly roused to action whenever the ability to coordinate and organize violence is demonstrated amongst those the system deems adversarial - gun control itself became a thing in the united states as a direct response to the black panthers organizing cop watches and demonstrating an ability to coordinate and organize communal self defense against violence by the state's policemen and by their parastatal enemies such as the kkk.
the surrender of guns must under no circumstances be tolerated.
we may not be able to turn this atmosphere of revolt into revolution.
but we will never have revolution without revolt, and even revolt would disrupt the imperial agenda suppressing people's movements in the global south.
i dream of an america where every child is armed and every enemy of every and any american (a category which includes every american) is subject to violence, immediate and lethal.

 No.289876

>>289873
So basically the problem is not that they're blacks, but that they're americans.

So americans are murderous apes, who would have imagined?

 No.289877

>>289876
>So americans are murderous apes
This is true. The murder rate in Maine, the whitest state in the US, has a higher murder rate than all of England

 No.289878

There are still people who believe in gun control here, huh?

 No.289879

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>>289869
>nigger ridden shithole
That's very rude and aside the points
>government can leave me with no guns if they want so as long as they keep me safe and give me free healthcare and education
That's never gonna happen here, the health insurance companies are too powerful and anything else get's you accused of being a communist.
Whenever one of these shootings happened, the gun nuts and republicans start diverting things away from guns - or the motivations because the Buffalo and El Paoso shooters' politics both align with Republicans(and you) - and forcing people to focus on mental health. I wouldn't have too much of a problem with this if it wasn't for the fact that these are the same people that will openly brutally mock and shame you for being depressed, having anxiety, being anything but neurotypical, call all mental health as being fake or for the weak, and of course vote against anything that would give more money and attention to healthcare. They're all controlled by money. The NRA knows that gun sales goes up when shootings happened, they don't care. No fucking conservatives believes that they take mental health or healthcare seriously, they're literally laughing at our fases. Their call their own base stupid hillbillies.
They also talk about more guns and armed guards in schools, they already had it. The Buffalo supermarket had a armed guard shoot at the 4cancer /pol/tard. Didn't work. The Udalve school already had security due to fearmongering over undocumented migrants, one teacher going out for their phone already poked holes in that.
But that won't stop conservatives from repeating the same things from their script. It's quite utterly disgusting.

 No.289880

>>289876
>So americans are murderous apes, who would have imagined?
90% of countries they invaded since the 1900's. Even more since the foundation of this country.
A lot of average people in Afghanistan hated the Taliban. They just despised the US even more.

 No.289882

>>289876
oversimplification:
the problem with black america is that blacks in america occupy a social role distinct from underclasses outside of america, and this includes underclasses in africa.

 No.289885

>>289882
So again the problem is that they're americans, not black, blacks in other countries can be somewhat civilized and peaceful, but not american blacks, mostly because theyre american.

 No.289886

>>289879
>the Buffalo and El Paoso shooters' politics both align with Republicans
I can tell you've never interacted with a Republican. No, some edgy autistic kids on imageboards who happen to fellate Donald Duck are not reflective of the average Republican. If Republicans actually were white supremacists, I might actually like them.

 No.289887

>>289886
>People who support the republican candidate and pretty much the GOP's icon since 2016 aren't real republicans.

Hmmmmm

 No.289891

>>289887
It's okay, you're actually retarded. Maybe not legally, but that would mean a greater tax burden to support idiots like you. See WLP's, ie the considerate WN leader's opinion about it. You are retarded if you think those views of real WNs translate well to Drumpf/Q (ueen of Spades) idiots.

 No.289892

>>289891
if the rich pay for it I support that wizard faking an illness 100%, it would only be a small portion of the texas coward pigs bill and those chomos republicans salary bill

 No.289893

>>289892
oh no think of the poor taxpayers :^(

 No.289894

you got a gun
he got a gun
I got a gun
everybody got guns! :D

 No.289895

Far Rockaway, NY – A 7-year-old child is under investigation after bringing a gun to a school in Queens, police said.

It happened Thursday at the P.S. 215Q campus at Wave Preparatory Academy in Far Rockaway, the Department of Education said. Police said the child brought a loaded .22 caliber gun to school, 1010 WINS reports.

The DOE said the gun was found in the student’s backpack. The school was placed on lockdown and the gun was confiscated, officials said.

wakes up in a hospital
oh shit son can't pay the medical bill
doctor pulls out a 357 magnum
see, the game was rigged from the start

 No.289896

>>289886
>I can tell you've never interacted with a Republican
I live in a Republican area and they both spouted shit you see in Fox news nowadays. Brown people are being "imported" by (((them))) in order to undermine da white man. It's literally the same shit, mainstream republicans just say it more softly/
You've quite literally never seen Tucker Carlson spout similar shit on national television to millions of people about how brown people are dirty and being shipped(because they have no wills of their own) by democrats, or heard of Stephen Miller make Camp of Saints required reading during the Trump administration and use it to make immigration policy
>If Republicans actually were white supremacists, I might actually like them.
I thought so. You're too cowardly to admit that whatever niche ideology you have is irrelevant and just aligns well with the party that controls most of the courts

 No.289897

/pol/tards have the same politics as retarded boomer granpas but think they're edgy and new because of soyjaks and frogs

 No.289899

leftniggers project their own ridiculous hysterical temperaments onto boomer do- nothing ideology and think it is comparable to h'white supremacy. don't you have a cube to lick or something? go fucking kill yourself actual moron. so detached from reality it's ludicrous. rule 5 violations made every motherfucking hour of every motherfucking day.

 No.289900

haha im like so bipartisan and rational that i complain and make crazy exaggerations about only one side of the gay retard con all day. whoa, im extremely woke…

 No.289901

My family are Republicans, their friends are Republicans and so forth. It's funny how sour they always look when jews or niggers are mentioned. It's almost like, oh my god, that Republicans aren't actually comparable to stupid ass mexican kids on 4cham
n?!?!!

 No.289903

>>289873
generally i agree with this. as we can see from this thread the response is concerned with the sole material outcome of disarmament because that advances power. there's no interest in addressing the cultural malaise and alienation that leads to the phenomenon (really unknown to america before the 1990s) in fact it's beneficial, as now you can dehumanize the entire population as simply being stupid and evil

 No.289904

>>289903
If weapons were the problem we would’ve had spree shooters since the 1800s at least since weapons were fast enough then to shoot quite a few people.

 No.289905

>>289904
perhaps there'd be less of them if the media didn't talk about it so much

 No.289908

>>289904
>hurr muskets!!!
anti-racialist reaching father and farther by day.

 No.289911

>>289891
Nah I don´t really care, thank god I´m not am*rican.

 No.289913

>>289908
The first repeating rifle was made in 1860.

 No.289916

>>289839
If you don't think the police can handle anything then why be afraid of gun ban? You are obviously shitting yourself at the thought of your precious guns getting taken away from you.

>>289854
What? I never said police officers are morally better than average people. The fact is guns in the hands of the average joe usually equal bad news. It is better to have only the law enforcement of your country be armed with actual weapons. The whole schizo paranoid babble you pro-gun guys spout about the possibility of an evil government is retarded because we know you wouldn't stand a chance against the police and military if it came to a serious fight. Guns are just idols you americans masturbate to during night to believe how free you are compared to the rest of the planet. Guess what? You aren't. Guns don't make you free. If anything, they make your life more violent and more regulated because the police nowhere on the civilized part of the world has so much right as in the USA. (Understandable since 90% of your population is made up of trigger-happy morons.)

And banning guns does help significantly. I never saw a gun in my entire life and never saw any gunfights or shootings either. Gun related violence is extremely low where I live. The police are much more chill here too because they don't have to be afraid constantly when someone will shoot them.

>it is immoral

No, banning guns isn't immoral. Self defense is a right but owning guns and dangerous weapons isn't a civil right in civilized countries. Cry harder about your precious shotguns. Do americans really need automatic weapons to feel free and masculine about themselves? How sad.

Yes, I am pro-authority. Exactly because I don't trust retards and their ability to use guns in responsible ways. Only law enforcement should carry weapons. The ordinary citizen has no need for guns at all. You can call me a fascist or communist, I don't care. I don't want to live in a country where shootings and drive-bys are part of everyday life.

 No.289917

>>289916
Wrong. The more guns in the more hands the better. Only evil communists would suggest otherwise.

 No.289918

The gun debate online is hilarious to me. I live in Europe (Czech Republic) and have a concealed weapon permit. The right to firearms for self-defense is in the constitution here, as it should be. But continue with your narratives that guns lead to mass shootings
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_Czech_Republic#/media/File:Vra%C5%BEdy.png

 No.289919

>>289918
Yeah, that is why euro-criminals acquire their weapons from your country or from your people.

>>289917
Yes, those kids should have been armed better, right? And surely a society with tons of guns will be a society of peace? I can't take you seriously.

 No.289921

>>289919
Public schools should not exist. They've become nothing more than MK Ultra psychological torture factories.

 No.289922

>>289916
> The whole schizo paranoid babble you pro-gun guys spout about the possibility of an evil government is retarded because we know you wouldn't stand a chance against the police and military if it came to a serious fight.
Yeah man that’s why America totally won in iraq and Vietnam. Cause the government can just steamroll resistance groups because of their superior firepower, and resistance is futile.

 No.289923

is America ready for a Shemale president?

 No.289924

>>289922
Indeed. Armed citizens are incredibly difficult to defeat in urban warfare even for an army. You can just use artillery to destroy everything but that is different from occupation

 No.289925

>>289923
Well there's been exactly one black guy and no succubi yet, so probably not.

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 No.289928

>>289926
Do you not know what a subordinate clause is?

 No.289929

>>289926
based and burgerpilled

 No.289930

>>289916
What are your thoughts on the covid concentration camps that the Australian government set up? Do you think that the Australian government would be less likely to arbitrarily kidnap and imprison its own citizens if they were armed?

 No.289933

>>289916
>The fact is guns in the hands of the average joe usually equal bad news
i could give a gun to every single person i know and not a single one of them would ever even use it in self-defense, i dont know what world youre living in.

>It is better to have only the law enforcement of your country be armed with actual weapons

is there any reason for this? because believe it or not "law enforcement" officers are the same species as the rest of us, they live and breathe amongst us everyday, what would make you think they should have guns and regular people shouldnt? if youre being honest, you would see that not only is there nothing distinguishing police from regular people in a positive way, they time and time again show themselves to be worse than regular people. the only reason you think police are better than regular people is because you want to believe it is so. like a little child you want to believe in an idea because it makes you feel safe, the idea that you have to take responsibility for defending yourself and those around you makes you scared. yeah youre showin those americans all right (of which i am not one by the way), sitting around waiting for the holy police officer to save you like a little pretty princess. youre enlightened dude, you dont have to "feel masculine", you just embrace your feminine vulnerable side like a "civilized" person, you take it up the ass like a real man.

>we know you wouldn't stand a chance against the police and military if it came to a serious fight

yeah, you just "know", but is there any evidence for this? it sounds like youre willfully being retarded at this point because i doubt you havent heard of the american revolution or the vietnam war, two shining examples of how the greatest militaries of their times failed to defeat regular people with guns. what kind of miracles happened to make these two civilian armies pull through? because if they really didnt stand a chance at all wouldnt they have lost, completely and utterly, with no possible way to make it look like a victory?

>banning guns isn't immoral

so what do you think happens when someone has a gun in a place where they are "banned"? the police magically make everything right? or do they go and steal that gun with the threat of death if that person does not cooperate. lets not forget that in no possible scenario would you have the balls to go and confiscate someones firearm, you outsource the work cause youre too much of a pussy fag to even defend yourself.

 No.289934

>>289917
>Muh ebil communist
This is how you see that all americans have nigger mentality regardless of their actual color.

 No.289935

>>289916
>The police are much more chill here too because they don't have to be afraid constantly when someone will shoot them.

This, in Japan the police learns Judo instead of carrying weapons and probably more people get killed by guns in the US in a month than in post 1945 Japan's entire existence

Also Japan doesn't have the nigger mentality that all americans have.

 No.289936

>>289934
During the Chinese revolution Mao Zedong disarmed organized militia groups aligned with the nationalists who engaged in combat against the 8th Way Army. That is exactly and in every way like gun control and demonstrates proof that gun grabbers like Ronnie Reagan are closet communists.

 No.289937

why every crab parrot the word "futile" lately? hehe jk you can double down now bb

 No.289939

>>289916
Are the police in Nigeria "chill"?

 No.289940

>>289939
No, but Nigerian police have to deal with spillover militants from the DRC's half century of active civil war, and related illegal military funding activities including miilitants kidnapping agricultural slaves to produce drugs. The militarization of police in Nigeria is a phenomenon of living wars. The militarization of police in America is nominally not a war related phenomenon.

 No.289941

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>>289940
So the amount of violence in a country has less to do with whether or not guns are legal and more to do with social and political factors.

 No.289950

>>289896
Arizona congressman Paul Gosar spread the literal 4chan hoax that the Uvalde shooter was a "leftist transexual illegal immigrant" and a Arizona senator Wendy Rogers said the Buffalo shooting was fake. /pol/ shit is normie mainstream thought among brandead American boomers, yet they think they're special because they're less afraid to say nigger(on anonymous imageboards).
Q shit spread rapidly and a lot of them think Jan 6 was done by antifa. They're retarded and everywhere.
I hate dems but conservatives are sub 100 IQ and dangerous retards

 No.289951

>>289899
>>289900
>>289901
What does any of this mean, passive aggressive it can't respond to the post it's clearly referencing, just a tantrum of sage

 No.289953

>>289918
so they're throwing shoes? gotcha
>>289917
throw hands instead, mano a mano 1 on 1. I saw a guy pull out a gun during a fight and the other dude beat his ass anyway lol
>>289936
why go back that far? texas cops pissed their pants while armed to the teeth and outnumbered the guy 20 to 1 maybe more. why didn't all the armed texans show up to help? cope

 No.289955

>>289918
you have no niggers there lmao
no comparison

 No.289958

>>289950
>Arizona congressman Paul Gosar
>Arizona senator Wendy Rogers
>also senator Kyrsten Sinema hated by everyone including all of the people who voted for her for being a stupid bitch
>and sheriff joe arpaio who ran concentration camps where he forced inmates to wear pink clothes and eat rotten food
What the fuck is it with arizona and producing evil and retarded psychos?

 No.289959

>>289958
Questioning the mainstream narrative is "evil" now?

 No.289960

>>289951
>i cant follow conversation without post numbers clearly referenced
You retardation is nobody else's problem.

 No.289963

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>>289941

I agree with your statement but that graph that you showed is clearly going down in time and it's understood that it takes years for a measure like that to make a noticeable effect because you still have lots of guns laying around in society and violent people are not going to get rid of them if they already have them.

Also, you have other graphs like this one showing a similar trend. Any how, if you live in hell and want to kill people, you're going to find a way to do it, like using a truck to ran over a crowd like they do in Europe. That last one in USA could have done that if he didn't have a gun.

Seriously fighting abuse and bulling at home and in school would be a far more logical solution. If you also make prostitution legal and socially acceptable, all the crab shooters would have spend all their money on hookers instead of guns and ammunition trying not to feel like complete hateful losers.

 No.289964

>>289963
His is showing homicides, yours only shows deaths.
Deaths is not a morally compelling or legally interesting statistic. It combines homicides, suicides, and accidents. 'Accidents' are of legal significance, and 'homicides' have both legal and moral significance, but they both drown in the wake of 'suicides.' If anything making suicide less accessible is a deep social negative, and the bare minimum necessary to compensate for making firearms inaccessible should be the legalization of over-the-counter high purity fentanyl without limit or requirement of prescription.

 No.289969

>>289964
Yea I really hate when anti-gunners use suicide statistics to make guns illegal. Sure use murder via gun for your arguments but suicides?
Suicide is someone killing themselves, it affects no one, someone committing suicide doesnt rape your child to death or rob you off your money, it has 0 impact on your life. I fucking hate people making suicide harder to get, just because you lust life like a man lusts after a succubus doesnt mean you get to make suicide harder to do for the mentally and financially inferior, fuck anti-suiciders

 No.289972

>>289950
I'm convinced Gosar is one of a few senators who are actively and intentionally spreading Russian propaganda. Any time some issue of interest to Russia comes up he always votes the way they want and the messages he spreads echo whatever the Russian bots are saying. It used to be easier to confirm stuff like this when Russian propaganda was still considered a newsworthy topic and reporters were busy exposing it.

 No.289975

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https://new.fips.ru/registers-doc-view/fips_servlet?DB=RUTMAP&DocNumber=2022715219
Might get a McVanya burger with pickle after nationalization

 No.289980

>>289958
I have no idea but I noticed it too. That dumbass Razorfist is from Arizona too, and he's the type to call everyone communist and believes "real" capitalism ended with fucking Teddy Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson, and thinks Sinema is some double-agent or some shit even though everything she does benefits Republicans. I was thinking he was just a stupid ancap with dumb convictions, but he was very excited to be interviewed by Owen Benjamin, a flat-earther Neonazi, so he's definitely hiding some power level
I think it's probably another state that's desperately trying to be Texas but more retardedly
>>and sheriff joe arpaio who ran concentration camps where he forced inmates to wear pink clothes and eat rotten food
Wasn't even fully aware of this one
>>289959
It's not "questioning the narrative" if you literally believe and spread straight-up lies from 4chan, and call everyone a fed at the drop of a hat because you have no other way to distance yourself from other retards who believe in your same brain sicknesses. Retard.

 No.289981

>>289975
If the war ends and somehow relations with Russia cool down once more, I hope they don't let go of those companies they nationalize. I just want those companies to be pissed off lol

 No.289987

>>289921
That is another discussion entirely.

>>289922
>>289924
That is different. When a foreign nation invades your country of course people would rather fight. Look inside yourself deeply and tell me you would be out there fighting the police if there was a revolution. You wouldn't and you know it too, same for most of your autist pro-gun buddies. Playing CoD and taking selfies with your rifle aren't the same as fighting a revolution or war.

>>289930
>what would happen if X was the case not Y
I honestly don't know but you are deluded if you believe that people who are trained to kill people (the police and army and commando units) are on the same level in a confrontation as your average redneck who can't even take three steps without a burger.

>>289933
I live in the real world mate and it proves my point, not yours. The average citizen is a drooling retard who doesn't even know what planet he lives on, so again why do we have to make sure he can get his hands on dangerous weapons? Give me one good reason, just one I beg you.

Law enforcement should possess firearms because it is their JOB to defend people and to take care of criminals and terrorists, not yours. You distrusting the police like some paranoid schizo is laughable, considering it is exactly the police and SWAT teams who deal with mass shooters, terrorists and criminals 99% of the time. Where are your brave gun-wielding white trash vigilantes hiding in situations like this? You parrot the right for self-defense yet most of the time it is law enforcement units which protect people in the US and do the "cleaning" after the mess the average citizen makes with guns.
It is not about whether the police is morally better or not. It is about not living in a violent anarchy like in the USA. For that to happen you have to make citizens as harmless as possible.

About civil armies vs official armies see what I wrote above to others.

Yes, in places where guns are banned, like most places of Europe, the police come to the scene and deal with the criminal. Shocking but is this not what happens in the USA too most of the time despite your tough guy talk?

>>289935
Gun supporters don't understand that having more guns only creates a more paranoid and violent society where everyone is afraid of everyone. Gun culture and the whole "muh freedumbs" and alpha tough guy mentality are responsible for why the USA is so shit.

>>289939
I am from Europe.

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>>289987
I wouldn't be out shooting at cops on the street cause I'm a virgin loser who couldn't care less about the state of society.

 No.289989

>>289988
Good point, so one less reason for gun support. The revolution or defending yourself from the State meme is a very funny pro-gun argument. Guns do more harm if they are used by the masses than good.

 No.289990

>>289989
>harm
>good
spooks.

 No.289995

>>289989
If the government knows that individuals are incapable of defending themselves then they're more likely to do tyrannical things that infringe on individuals' independence and liberty, such as kidnapping them and placing them in concentration camps because they haven't taken a gene therapy shot. You don't need to go out in the streets and start killing cops for this, the mere knowledge that it's possible for you to resist keeps tyrannical institutions from overstepping their bounds too much.
I don't know about you but I value my life as an independent individual and I see it as immensely important that I'm able to continue existing as a wizard instead of getting forcefully subsumed into a 1984 style hivemind of normalfaggotry like what will inevitably happen if you get your wish of stripping people of their natural right to defend themselves.

 No.289999

Another day, another thread where leftoids seethe about rightwing-chads and suck corporate cock.

 No.290001

>>289990
So gun violence, drive-bys and shooting sprees should be normal parts of everyday life? There are good and bad policies, allowing citizens to arm themselves with dangerous weapons will obviously result in a society that is bad for everyone except criminals, terrorists and spree killers.

>>289995
No. That is your wannabe justification again. In most part of Europe it is very hard to get your hands on weapons but these countries are more peaceful and freer than your beloved United Police States of Merica. Nowhere has the police so much power in the West as in the USA. Hmm, why is that? Ever thought about it? Your cops can shoot people and shock them and well, they can do anything to citizens basically. It surely doesn't have anything to do with the fact that guns are piss easy to acquire in America and therefore the police needs to be more brutal and violent in turn too?? Nah, that is just "leftist cuck rhetoric", right?!

If a government decides to do something, it will do it. It doesn't matter if you have guns or not. Because that is pretty much how governments work, they tell people what to do! So crazy, right? I feel that again you people delude yourself that you are free because you can buy as much shotguns and uzis as you want. Americans really don't understand what freedom is, huh…how ironic.

This question is really simple: do you want more violence in your life or not? And sorry to burst your bubble, but you live in society too, you don't exist separately as the epic independent individual. In fact you depend on others for many, many things and you can't change this, guns or no guns you are part of the collective either way.

Your freedumbs are overrated and demagogues use them as carrots on sticks before you to lead you. Safety and security always come before freedom for anyone who doesn't have suicidal wishes.

 No.290003

>>289987
>Give me one good reason, just one I beg you
to be able to uphold what is right. see we actually have quite a disconnect here, youre talking about probabilities and im talking about principles. regardless of what most people use guns for, that can never make it immoral in principle to own a gun.

>Law enforcement should possess firearms because it is their JOB to defend people and to take care of criminals and terrorists, not yours

unequivocally false, police are not required by any agreement or law to defend anyone (at least in america). a police officer could wait outside your house as you get tortured to death and nothing would happen. and yes it is your responsibility to defend yourself and those around you, you cannot abdicate your duty to do what is right, regardless of how cowardly you are. it is a choice to be apathetic about upholding what is right, and that is the same as being complicit with evil. what youre trying to tell me right now is that if there was a child being raped right next to you, you actually think its okay to just say "eh, not my job" and move on with your day. or even better, call the police and wait 30 minutes for them to arrive and then wait another 30 for then to do anything.

>Where are your brave gun-wielding white trash vigilantes hiding in situations like this?

definitely not on the news thats for sure

>you are deluded if you believe that people who are trained to kill people (the police and army and commando units) are on the same level in a confrontation as your average redneck

youre right they arent on the same level in a one on one confrontation, a militia wins because they blanket the entire nation and outnumber the regular military. its a battle where the enemies live right on your supply lines and there is no true front. there is nowhere to retreat to, the military is constantly encircled, its just a matter of at what scale. aside from all this theorizing though, we have actually seen how militaries have been defeated by militias in the past, you literally cannot argue against the reality that militias DO win.

>the police come to the scene and deal with the criminal

>Shocking but is this not what happens in the USA too
unfortunately that is the case, as most people share your belief in authority. if people believe that they need help from the oh so wise and powerful police officers, why would they even attempt to sort out conflicts on their own? its like saying children shouldnt learn to deal with their own problems because they happen to ask mommy and daddy for help most of the time. its a sad state of affairs that should be ended, not used as a building block for more retardation.

 No.290005

>>290001
There is no evidence to suggest that banning guns has any impact on how violent a society is. In Australia banning guns had no effect on the number of homocides per year. And in countries that have banned guns but have tense social or political issues like Nigeria violence and homocide rates remain high.

It's immoral for you to try and strip people of their right to defend themselves. Police have absolutely no legal obligation to come to your rescue if you're in danger. If the police officer just feels too scared to come and save you from the bad guys there's nothing keeping him from just sitting on the sidelines and watching as you get murdered. Hell, we even saw this in the latest shooting where the coward cops refused to go into the school and they had to wait for some border patrol guy to go in instead.

>If a government decides to do something, it will do it. It doesn't matter if you have guns or not.

And whether or not citizens are armed will strongly influence those decisions. Covid concentration camps are never going to happen in any state where citizens are armed because the bureaucrats who make these laws know that police officers are going to be unwilling to break down peoples' doors and kidnap them if there's even a small chance that the person is going to decide to resist with lethal force. The same applies to other tyrannical laws.

 No.290008

>>290005
>police officers are going to be unwilling to break down peoples' doors and kidnap them if there's even a small chance that the person is going to decide to resist with lethal force
that just reminded me, we literally just saw this with that elementary school shooting. according to wikipedia 19 cops were in that school and they didnt have the balls to confront a single guy with an ar-15, and he was murdering children! i mean the idea that a government is capable of subduing an entire population really breaks down when you need more than 19 police officers to deal with a single armed citizen.

 No.290013

Is the one European still mad about guns existing in the U.S. and giving poor arguments in this thread?

 No.290015

every taxpaying american has in effect $5 taken from them every month and directly given to native americans as federal aid. all the natives living on triabl land could receive $4000/yr if this was unconditionally distributed out. they get all this money and dont pay any taxes lmao

how is this ok

 No.290016

>>290015
Because they brown

 No.290018

>>290015
What kind of white nigger thought this was a good idea.

White niggers will literally slave to give brown peoples monies.

 No.290019

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>>289707
bait level post but sincere + disordering of priorities + low t + MIDWIT + not americaryan

t. volcel

 No.290024

>>289969
says while staying alive
>>290015
>>290016
>>90018
navahurt lol

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>>290019
>midwit
Oh, this slur again?

 No.290032

>>290031
lol at the pic. it's missing evola and the greco-roman statues twitter avatars

seraphim rose's "orthodoxy and the religion of the future" is alright in its criticism of "new religious movements", the new age, pseudo-eastern spirituality and so on, but the orthodox preaching feels phony and makes it a tedious read.

 No.290035

>>290031
what am i looking at here

 No.290036

>>290031
The right wing particularly as it manifests on the internet

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 No.290039

>>290035
pure unfiltered seethe

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>>290015
>how is this ok
house always wins baby

 No.290041

>>290003
It isn't about what is moral. It is about what is necessary in order to preserve the lives in your country. Giving guns to people and then shrugging when there is another psycho shooting up people this week makes you irresponsible and stupid.

Oh so now the police shouldn't defend anyone? Then again, I ask you, why is it that the police has to deal with these psychos EVERY SINGLE TIME in Burgerland too? Where are the rednecks, I ask you again, where are you vigilantes when it is time to prove how good it is that you can own guns? You are nowhere, because you and other people are cowardly shits, you can only talk tough on the internet but in real life you would shit yourself in a situation like that.
What you are advocating for, that the citizens should defend themselves, is simply a bad idea. Because yes, most people wouldn't give a shit if you were in trouble, exactly because they think like "it's not my problem". The police on the other hand give a shit because it is their job and they get paid for it and if they fail to do their job there will be consenquences for them. Your little vigilantism would result in a world of pure bloodshed and anarchy, which is probably what you want anyway so you are okay with it.
If a child is being raped next door then yes, the correct solution is to call the police to deal with it asap. We all know you wouldn't do shit in that case either so stop acting like some Rambo on an anonymous image board. You make yourself look utterly pathetic.

>a militia wins

Haha, no. Ordinary rednecks and niggers couldn't organize for shit. You'd get your ass kicked in no time and you'd be running home screaming for mommy. And in a case like that you really think bullets and ammo would be just left for the average citizen to continue buying it? You'd run out of supplies before you could do any serious damage.

Ah so now it is the authoritarian thinking that prevents your brave vigilantes from acting? Don't make me laugh, come on look for more excuses. And so let me get it straight: if there is a child who is bullied by his whole class then how should he defend himself? Hm? Or if a gang of 20 armed breaks into your property and starts shit, how are you supposed to defend yourself? Moron. You depend on others, no matter how much you roleplay as the internet tough guy. If your leg breaks you go to a hospital. If your house is on fire you call the fire department. If someone attacks you, then you call the police first chance you get.

>>290005
Banning guns does have an impact on mass shootings, are you this stupid? So if guns are banned, he could still kill, you reason. Yeah, but he wouldn't be capable of killing so many people so quickly, you can't deny this. With a knife he could kill one or two person if lucky before he gets disarmed. With guns it is very easy to slaughter people without much trouble.

>immoral

Oh another retard reasoning on morals and defending guns. How about giving guns to psychopaths and your average retard? Is that moral?
And what you people say about the police not being efficient, that is another problem. Obviously they need time to arrange for everything because they don't want to die? They are doing the best they can, if there are fuckups then they will get what they deserve. As a citizen you aren't obliged to help others and you know what? 99% of average citizens wouldn't risk their lives for you. The police is the only thing you can count on if you are in danger.

And you are a wonderful example of the retard average man I mentioned already. So scared of a vaccine and medicine, but it is all right if some crab shoots you in the head? What a dumbass. People like you don't deserve to have basic rights and freedom. Society needs to be protected from people like you. Democracy is the worst thing ever.
>The same applies to other tyrannical laws.
Oh I gotcha so you want a state or government that is so weak it can't even force its will onto citizens? Then what is the use in having a government at all?

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>>290041
The national homocide rate was not affected after Australia banned guns in 1995. The national homocide was not affected after the UK banned guns in 1996. The idea that stripping people of their right to self-defense causes society to become less violent is a myth.
>And what you people say about the police not being efficient, that is another problem
No it's not since part of your justification for stripping people of their right to self-defense is the assumption that the existence of police is good enough to provide defense for you. This is plainly incorrect. You haven't even addressed the fact that police aren't legally obligated to come to your aid, a fact which completely undermines your entire argument on this front. If
>oh well they're afraid to die
is a valid excuse for police sitting by and letting you get murdered then it only cements the importance of the right to self-defense. You obviously cannot rely on the police to protect your life if they are going to value their own lives above yours.

 No.290044

>>290043
It's not about the homocide rate exactly, it is about being able to prevent mass shootings and killing sprees. Like I said, much easier to disarm someone with an axe or knife than someone with a gun. Do you deny this basic thing? If someone started shooting people nobody would attempt to fight him but if he used a knife then even unarmed people could restrain him. There is difference between violence and violence.

No, it is another problem ENTIRELY that your police should solve. So now in one particular case they were slow, still they solved the problem ultimately, not gun-wielding citizens. Interesting…
>You haven't even addressed the fact that police aren't legally obligated to come to your aid
I don't know what you morons talking about, probably some outdate legal paragraph in the US or whatever. The fact remains that the police save the day most of the time. So much for your self-defense bullshit.

The police are humans too, obviously. Of course they don't want to die recklessly. What would be the use in that? But still for the 100th time, they help you out if you are in trouble, not your redneck gun-obsessed homosexual friends.

People arguing for guns ITT are literal children who think every human being is good and responsible and should be granted equal rights. Fuck that shit. Keep giving out those guns to drug addicts, criminals, terrorists and psychos in the name of freedom and self-defense. You are still retarded.

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 No.290047

>>290044
It seems you're rather ignorant on this topic.
https://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-ne-douglas-survivor-lawsuit-federal-judge-20181217-story.html
Courts have affirmed time and time again that there are zero legal repercussions if a police officer decided to run away and hide instead of stopping a crime.

>The fact remains that the police save the day most of the time.

Categorically false. According the CDC
https://nap.nationalacademies.org/read/18319/chapter/3#15
>Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million (Kleck, 2001a),
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2013. Priorities for Research to Reduce the Threat of Firearm-Related Violence. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press. https://doi.org/10.17226/18319.
Quite a substantial number when you consider the fact that in 2020 there were 1.3 million incidents of violent crime reported (not prevented) to the police.

 No.290049

>>289768
Retards would check the box on the NICS form that says "check here if you're a retard to avoid comitting a felony" and then their background check would fail.

Criminals don't use NICS forms.

 No.290050

>>289819
Wrong again. You don't even have to buy a gun to obtain one. Why are gun grabbers always this detached from reality?
>oh it we pass a law against niggers and jews then there won't be any niggers and jews lol
>why don't they just make it so it's harder to buy murder and then there won't be murder
>surely there can't be any hookers because postitution is illegal

 No.290051

>>289819
Euro-criminals are not my problem. They'd just get guns from Russia or Israel instead.

 No.290052

>>289819
Why do communists always deny being communist and blaming ammericans for pointing out that they're huge raging communists? It's such a pointless endeavor.

 No.290053

>>289819
Yeah dude. Go tell a guy with a gun it's time for a proper boxing match to settle this like gentlemen. That's the smartest thing I've heard all year.

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>>290050
threatened by BBC and jewish iq the post

 No.290056

>>290052
The communist position on guns is clear even in this thread, and is not anything related to the post you accuse of communism.

 No.290058

>>290052
>Why do communists always deny being communist and blaming ammericans
Because people call shit like like safety regulations communist and Americans are the some of most propagandized pigs on the planet

 No.290059

Being anti-abortion is the gayest thing on the entire fucking planet.

 No.290060

>>290024
>says while staying alive
Because retards like you make it hard as shit to kill yourself. I am not a burger so dont say shitt like "oh get a gun" or "buy SN, so easy to get". It took me fucking ages just to get metoclopramide for the sn, if I wasnt lucky I wouldnt be able to get either

 No.290061

>>290060
I dont live near any tall buildings so I can't jump off them, I am not near any train station so I cant use them, hanging didnt work, medicine that kills when ODing require a prescription etc etc

 No.290062

>>290056
I commies on your mommy's tummy, cope if sows won't use then neither will crabs. many such cases!
>>290053
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 No.290063

>>290060
how exactly am I stopping you? are you perhaps a member of the life cult? if you thats fine sir, /dep/ and /lounge/ encourage that shit I am neither pro life or the grim reaper
>>290061
switzerland has the sarco pod, they should 3d print those in every corner and let the masses decide but everybody will line up or mug others for their spot lol

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>>290041
>you don't deserve any rights
>>290058
>it's your fault you were propagandized

 No.290066

>>290064
Both are literally correct.
All rights come from the application and threat of force.
And all flaws and faults in a person are that person's faults, and no other can have any responsibility towards the correction of his faults.
Read Hobbes.

 No.290070

>>290066
>All rights come from the application and threat of force.
>And all flaws and faults in a person are that person's faults, and no other can have any responsibility towards the correction of his faults.
sure, it's not up to the people propagandists have propagandized to correct their inept strategy. it may even be in the interests of external actors to apply force (which is synonymous with conferring or taking away rights, in this case the right to continue ruling your nation) to make that aspect of state machinery less effective, and nobody else is at fault for that except the inept rulers

 No.290071

>>290064
P. much. It's been hilarious watching these clowns argue.

 No.290078

>>290064
>>it's your fault you were propagandized
That's me butting into the convo, not him. And it's right. A lot of Americans choose to eat up century old propaganda even decades after it leads us to just being docile dogs. Americans get fucked in the ass and then blame themselves because they think they'll do the fucking next. Eventually. If they work hard enough.

 No.290079

>>290058
The truly embarassing thing about Americans isn't that they don't know what socialism is.
It's that they also do not know what Conservativism is.

Throne, and altar.
That is the sum and the soul and the sine qua non of conservativism.
Throne, and altar.

The Nazis were nationalists, an Enlightenment-derived idolatry from the late 19th century.
They sought to replace throne and altar with soil and blood, respectively. They failed. Had they won their war they would still have failed, because the authority of their throne and the legitimacy of their altar would still be paramount over any principle of blood or law of soil.

But the American 'right' is not even an Enlightenment nationalist. The American is a Liberal, and a Republican. A throne-toppler and an altar smasher, who regards 'revolutionary' as a term of endearment and 'iconoclast' as an aspirational word. Unsalvageable.

 No.290080

>>290079
Your paradigm doesn't work in an atheistic zeitgeist. Thrones were always backed by the will of God. When you remove God from the equation what you have left is the arbitrary nihilistic might-makes-right ravings of the new socialist neo-liberals.

 No.290081

>>289958
Democrats are such controlled opposition. Sinema and Joe Manchin are allowed to be pieces of shit demons working that are basically just Republicans, and get little backlash.
Meanwhile Madison Cawthorn, who's also shit, mentions coke fueled Republican sex orgies and gets his whole character assassinated and loses. Really shows you what power these guys have when they actually want to use it.
>>289972
I never cared about any Russian influence in the US. Felt like a red herring by incompetent dems.
I don't think he's a genius double agent. In fact I think he's just a straight up retard and repeats whatever Russian propaganda he sees spread on Telegram by paid shills, which is where a lot of pro-Russian Americans get their info on. We know for a fact he'll believe whatever 4chan meme he sees.

 No.290082

>>290080
> When you remove God from the equation
–you receive the thrones of Hobbes and Carlyle and Machiavelli, the great atheistic scholars of political theory.
> the new socialist neo-liberals
Again with the whiteblack updowns. No, American, those are simply the embodiment of your own sins of Liberalism and Republicanism, haunting you through your ancestor's halls because the weight of your sins has accumulated so much that they have twisted men into their own form. And just like all other such hauntings, to deny their nature is the very thing that gives them power.

 No.290083

>>290082
I am curious. What is "sin" in the Atheist worldview?

 No.290084

>>290083
Malicious acts against civilization.
These include:
-violence against hierarchy
-violence against fraternity
-violence against family
-violence against polity
-violence against beauty

 No.290085

Why did everyone suddenly stop caring about how Ukraine created Hunter Biden's dick in a biolab as a bioweapon? The first geo-engineered super soldier is waltzing around with a dirty-bomb for a cock ready to assasinate anyone who threatens the WEF.

 No.290086

>>290063
>how exactly am I stopping you
When I said "retards like you" I had the assumption that you were anti-suicide/pro-life and are the type of people who campaigned to make suicide-methods, like opioids, benzos, chloroquine, barbiturates, guns, etc, harder to get.
I dont really want sarco pods put in every corner; All I want is for benzodiazepines and chloroquine/barbiturates/opioids to just be available to purchase without visiting a doctor and getting a prescription, I also think guns shouldnt be illegal to prevent suicide deaths, only homocides and murders.

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>>290084
>Malicious acts against civilization.
>These include:
>-violence against hierarchy
>-violence against fraternity
>-violence against family
>-violence against polity
>-violence against beauty
you can see how the first four of these come out of familial life in clans over millennia, so these "sins" simply mean being antisocial. but i think the idea of sin has too many problems (as you already know), so i would replace it with honor. the correspondence between honor, fealty, and love is obvious, but sin is moralizing and murky

what beauty is seems difficult to untangle to me, but that's likely only because i don't understand it. a leaf falling from a tree and a deft action are both beautiful, but why isn't apparent

 No.290095

>>290047
That is another problem, like with organization then. Maybe you americans should focus on making good laws and employing decent guys as police officers, not on guns and weapons. In a good society the police protects those who are weak and and those who can't protect themselves aren't left on their own. Maybe having empathy and caring about the collective are naturally anti-american traits. Who knows, maybe that's the problem…I never lived in the USA, from here it seems like it is a might makes right country with watered down social darwinism where people still think they live in the Wild West.

Back to the topic, guns are made to kill and to destroy and to harm. In a society where guns are hard to get for the average guy criminals will use other weapons, which makes them easier to disarm. If someone breaks into your house with a knife you can disarm him even unarmed. However, if he has a shotgun you are fucked. Guns are destructive long-range weapons, if you don't happen to carry your gun with you then you don't stand a chance.

Without guns much violence could be avoided. You can show those statistics and graphs to family members of those who were killed in shooting sprees, I am sure they will understand why guns aren't harmful.

>>290050
Laws do make a difference, a big difference. They don't have absolute control over reality but still, their effect can be seen and experienced. Laissez-faire is always retarded, whether it is economic or social/cultural and I reject it whenever I encounter it in any form. Things never just work out if left alone. We exist to create laws, regulations, systems in a chaotic world.

>>290064
Giving rights to the rabble who don't even think, don't have any principles besides feeling GOOD now and don't care about anything besides sex and football was the biggest mistake in history. The common man is a very dangerous man, his power lies in the majority and in the numbers, through democracy he can achieve whathever he wants, no matter how retarded or harmful it is to everyone.

>>290079
Nazism wasn't inspired by the enlightenment, it was exactly a reaction against the enlightenment. Nazism is the fruit of romanticism, the whole esoteric obession, the whole nostalgia overdose, everything in it just screams romanticism.
It was socialism/communism which was inspired by the enlightenment.

 No.290096

>>290095
>You can show those statistics and graphs to family members of those who were killed in shooting sprees, I am sure they will understand why guns aren't harmful.
Are you seriously trying to make a "feelings matter more than facts" argument now? Is this satire?

 No.290097

>>290096
No. I am saying guns are dangerous and there is no need to hand them out to people who aren't police officers or soldiers.

The "good" or rather non-harmful things you can do with a gun:
>shoot at bottles in your backyard
>take selfies with it to show others how badass you are
>???
>commit suicide

The bad things:
>you can shoot many people really fast if you are pissed off
>you can commit crimes easily and without much effort
>you can threaten people to do what you want

The bad things outweigh the non-harmful things. "But you can protect yourself too!" - you mean against people who bought guns legally too?

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Here is a helpful image to understand why american gunfags are unwilling to part with their precious toys

 No.290099

Cause Hawaii is notorious for their gun crime

 No.290100

>>290098
spell it out i dont get it

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 No.290102

>>290097
We've already established and you've already accepted that the rate of homocide is unaffected by whether or not guns are banned. This fact makes your assertion that banning guns serves some sort of protective purpose completely irrational. All banning guns does is make it easier for the government to act tyrannically. I am guessing that this is your actual reason for wanting to remove peoples' ability to defend themselves. You've made this clear by your repeated assertions that humans "don't deserve" human rights. Just drop this premise that you're trying to protect people and give us honest arguments. You want to convince people that it's better for the populace to be slaves of the government then focus on that.

 No.290103

>>290095
> Nazism wasn't inspired by the enlightenment,
>it was exactly a reaction against the enlightenment.

>B is not derived from A,

>it only exists because of A,
>it was formed specifically by A,
>it includes inversion of A because it has to include A in order to exist,
>it is the result of A,
>it is the embodiment of Idealism related to A, and exists as the shadow opposite of the Materialism of A,
>but it can't be said to be derived from A
hm.
>It was socialism/communism which was inspired by the enlightenment.
This is true, though inadequate attention is paid to how Hegel's German "Conservativism" was the direct bridge between Enlightenment liberalism and Enlightenment anarchism, producing Socialism. Thus, to be conservative rather than an Enlightenment idealist or materialist, is to be rooted in throne and altar.

 No.290104

>>290102
Okay, then why is it that mass shootings happen every week in the USA and not in Europe or in Japan for example? Can you explain this to me? Owning guns legally and crimes committed with guns ARE related, duh.

Admit it, you are just waiting for the chance to shoot someone and to kill someone (why else would anyone purchase guns?) - gun supporters are just waiting for the opportunity to use their guns legally (even if it isn't necessary).

People need to be protected, not from authority but from themselves first of all. Yes, I don't support civil rights and freedoms. I don't trust you and I don't trust others that they are capable of using their guns in responsible ways, that is why guns should be possessed by only those who really need them for their work - like soldiers, professional hunters, cops, etc. Like I said, you couldn't pose a serious threat to military and police in the case of a revolution, so I'm not really worried about that. What I'm worried about is the pointless gun related crimes. It should be very difficult for people to get guns, not just walk in the shop and hi I want that and that. The only ones profiting from guns are those who make them and sell them to the population. You don't benefit from your guns at all, if you think you do you are deluded.

>>290103
Being inspired by and being opposed to something are different things.

>conservative

Instead of defending dead values why not create new ones? Being right-wing doesn't mean you have to be conservative necessarily.

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>>290104
> It should be very difficult for people to get guns, not just walk in the shop and hi I want that and that.
Have you ever tried to buy a gun?

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>>290104
>I don't trust you and I don't trust others
But you trust an out-of-touch clique of bureaucrats?

>Owning guns legally and crimes committed with guns ARE related, duh.


Okay? That's irrelevant to your assertion that banning guns protects people though. Banning guns doesn't make society less violent, it doesn't even save lives. All the data clearly shows this. Violence in society is a social issue, stripping people of their right to self-defense doesn't assuage it, it just makes it easier for criminals to victimize law-abiding citizens.

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>>290105
There are states where it is literally that easy to get a gun.

>>290106
I trust a minority better than the majority. A small number of people can be more responsible than a vast rabble.

No, it's not irrelevant at all. Because there is a difference between someone going on a rampage with a lead pipe, axe, knife or even a car and someone who goes on a rampage with a gun. The latter can do much more damage, quickly and efficiently. Banning guns makes society less violent, your autismo graphs don't prove nothing, reality proves me. Like I mentioned, compare life in Japan or Europe to America, you can see the difference clearly.

It's not stripping people of their right for self-defense, it is exactly about protection! If criminals are less well equipped then they will pose less threat to others. It is important how easy it is to get a gun. Like you just go buy it at a store down the street or you have to find and contact other criminals (who have to be careful and make sure they aren't selling to an undercover cop) to get it for you.
If guns were hard to get in America too do you think the recent elementary school shooter would have killed the same amount of people? I don't think so.

>>290084
Not every hierarchy is worth the respect. Same for family and polity too. "Beauty" is just a platonic buzzword.
>>290091
You just switch names, sins for dishonor. What you are discussing with the above poster is moralizing, when you start talking about how people generally should behave that is moralizing, no matter what you call it.

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>>290107
Why exactly do you believe that this small minority is worthy of your trust? Surely you recognize that a group of people isn't inherently responsible and trustworthy just because it's small?

 No.290109

someone is going to kill Trudaeu

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>>290107
Pretty sure every state requires at minimum a waiting period and background check. You got proofs where this is not the case?

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 No.290112

>>290107
>You just switch names, sins for dishonor. What you are discussing with the above poster is moralizing, when you start talking about how people generally should behave that is moralizing, no matter what you call it.
not exactly, the difference between morality and ethics is morality is an imposition of deduced values, whereas ethics is a style of personal conduct that makes no such deduction. what's honorable for a solider may not be honorable for someone else, for example

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>>290111
He doesn't put things through vote but rather uses Canada's equivalent of an executive order.

He backed off on his only good policy of prohibiting foreigners from buying Canadian land, because someone called him racist. Waiting too long and now all S-ON commercial and farmland wasd panic bought by curries. Meanwhile no longer selling any newly zoned land to Canadians, only leasing it in perpetuity (we will own nothing)

Gas prices rose 66% over 3 months because he's fucking donating our oil to third-world nations who caved in to sanctioning Russia (and Russia's oil)

The handgun ban which turned out to be a coverup for a police-state in which men who receive a restraining order, or ever had in the past, are treated as third-class citizens.

Making it illegal to question things like sex-ed being taught to kindergartners.

His ties and funding to the WEF

COVVAX-free citizens are now PROVINCIALLY landlocked indefinitely. Will soon be unable to vote.

Found to be denying immigration to educated White Europeans while illegals flood in and are given lifetime welfare.

Worst of all, the faggot is about to legalize hard drugs, and plans on decriminalizing child porn in the future. He already legalized marijuana and THC products and lo and behold our preexisting opioid crisis shot up in severity tenfold.

Taxing people thousands if they own a pickup

He has yet to answer a single question

>waah wahh those are non-issues for a wizard lol butthurt nazi just smoke weed bro it never hurt anyone

 No.290114

>>290104
>Being inspired by and being opposed to something are different things.
Yet your own correction to the earlier post was to the statement that Nazism was "derived" from the Enlightenment, not that it was in concert with the Enlightenment. And there is a clear geneology from the orthodoxy to the heresy, which relationship is what makes their antagonism so sharp.
>Instead of defending dead values why not create new ones?
Beauty and hierarchy are better served by honoring the dead values for what they were instead of granting their names to the demon that ate their heart and now wears their skin.
>Being right-wing doesn't mean you have to be conservative necessarily.
Perhaps not, but the replacements for conservativism within the 'right wing' have all been such demotists, like the Nationalists, that it scarcely makes sense to consider them distinct from the demotic Left. And demotism is inherently violence against hierarchy.

>>290107
>Not every hierarchy is worth the respect. Same for family and polity too.
Yet you must agree that to be conservative is to conserve these structures, and to strike at these structures is inherently a grave choice. When the structure is rotten and one acts in opposition to it, one is necessarily not behaving in a conservative manner, regardless of consequentialist thinking, as it is impossible to actually know the full consequences of actions. Augustus Caesar thought he had restored the Republic by replacing it with the Principiate, Oliver Cromwell thought he had restored law and church by decapitating them, yet history has ruled otherwise.
>"Beauty" is just a platonic buzzword.
It is an observable force in human behavior. This is quite visible with the pursuit of sexual beauty, but cultural and social beauty cause their own pursuers and their own defectors, as Lafcadio Hearne and G. K. Chesterton both eventually abandoned British society in the pursuit of beauty in Japan and Catholicism respectively. All of the cited objects-of-civilization constitute means and reasons we have civilization in the first place. This is also the reason "property," a mere artifact requisite as means to beauty, was excluded from these five cardinal sins. Particularly the abhorrent American notion of property which constitutes a power worshipped above any throne and every altar, which no throne can claim nor altar prohibit, in which man himself is not holy but his collection of action figures is sacrosanct not by virtue of enhancing his experience of beauty but rather by collecting dust until their mere financial value appreciates. The sins of America are many but their sins against beauty are the most poisonous of all.
Violence against property can only be counted amongst the sins of man to the extent that they constitute violence against hierarchy and polity, and even then their weight would need to be calculated by magnitude and not as an intrinsic evil. Yet to the American, a Lockean liberan republican, violence against property is counted as the moral equal to the assassination of a brother or the abolition of God. No man ever abandoned a civilization nor joined one just for property save if that property could satisfy his real needs for hierarchy, fraternity, family, polity and beauty. Yet the American, rebelling against hierarchy, disdainful of fraternity, and antagonistic towards beauty would say that it is so.

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>>290113
>Worst of all, the faggot is about to legalize hard drugs, and plans on decriminalizing child porn in the future.
based

 No.290116

>>290113
>He doesn't put things through vote but rather uses Canada's equivalent of an executive order.
You probably don't even like your MPs so why would you care if those nobodies had an opinion? Personally I would love if Biden had such power here in the states
>Gas prices rose 66% over 3 months
You know this is a global issue right? Gas isn't going up just because the west is giving some barrels to third world nations.
>The handgun ban which turned out to be a coverup for a police-state in which men who receive a restraining order, or ever had in the past, are treated as third-class citizens.
Hey normgroid, if you don't want restraining orders against you shouldn't have thought with your dick and had sex with a succubus without thinking of the consequences
>Making it illegal to question things like sex-ed being taught to kindergartners.
What's wrong with schools teaching sexual education? They're better off getting it from teachers and not their parents who are mostly stupid and crazy.
>Found to be denying immigration to educated White Europeans while illegals flood in and are given lifetime welfare.
Do you have proof that illegals in Canada are given free shit and not expected to work?
>and plans on decriminalizing child porn in the future
Proof?
>He already legalized marijuana and THC products and lo and behold our preexisting opioid crisis shot up in severity tenfold.
Why would weed make people want to do opioids?
>COVVAX-free citizens are now PROVINCIALLY landlocked indefinitely. Will soon be unable to vote.
I don't see a problem with this. Why should people who don't care about their own health or the health of those around them have a stake in society?
>His ties and funding to the WEF
Le new world order boogeyman for the right wing retards

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>>290114
>Perhaps not, but the replacements for conservativism within the 'right wing' have all been such demotists, like the Nationalists, that it scarcely makes sense to consider them distinct from the demotic Left. And demotism is inherently violence against hierarchy.
not that wiz but the challenge is finding the language to describe anti-nationalism from the right, because how people thought of themselves in pre-modern states is tricky to imagine in its entirety. while you're entirely correct in the use of conservatism in the technical sense, it's such a muddied word it's all but meaningless in current discourse

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>>290116
>Hey normgroid
called it.

>You probably don't even like your MPs

I'm registered to vote and have been voting for my party of choice in federal and municipal elections since they formed. I have a lot of respect for my running MP.

>You know this is a global issue right?

No it's not. Canada has its own oil supply but the Liberals indebted us to the Saudis and Indians. Trudeau and Biden even shut down keystone which would see the US getting Canadian oil for cheap, and domestic Canadian oil deliveries for central provinces reduced to net 0 delivery cost. We could be self-sustaining, but again, that's too "racist" for the Liberals.

>Gas isn't going up just because the west is giving some barrels to third world nations.

That's the only reason it's going up. Canada is not dependent on Russian oil at all, yet countries who the LPC agreed to aid unconditionally are dependent on Slavic oil, and after they were told not to buy Slavic oil anymore, they were forced to take from us. Not buy, but take. Now it's being shipped off faster than our own oil can be processed. Trudaeu also got rid of our surplus for similar globalist reasons. he also gifted our gold reserves away, and now gold is returning as a trading standard for oil… So much wrong from you in one sentence.

>What's wrong with schools teaching sexual education?

Nothing is wrong with teaching kids becoming adults about their new adult bodies and minds. Teaching Kindergartners that they're actually transexxual has no basis in proper child raising. it confuses them and sets them on a path of self-destruction.
>They're better off getting it from teachers and not their parents who are mostly stupid and crazy.
Such a broad assumption, probably a projection of how you feel about your own parents (communist teenagers never have a good relationship with their parents)

>I don't see a problem with this. Why should people who don't care about their own health or the health of those around them have a stake in society?

For one, the hypocrisy. Trudeau and his cabinet, when tested positive for COVID, continued to travel and host parties. For two, COVID is just the flu. For three, the COV-VAX is being proven deadly every day. Fourthly, would you bar those with AIDS from travel? That's more deadly than all Covid viruses and also permanent.

>Why would weed make people want to do opioids?

It's an opioid… It's addictive.. It's expensive.. And now-legalized hard drugs are going to be sold on the same counters.. What the fuck kind of question is this?

>proof? proofs? post proofs?

Read any MSM article you dumb nigger.

>Le new world order boogeyman for the right wing retards

>WEF holds meetings talking about their agendas to impose globalism
>WEF does interviews where they announce they want to destroy the concept of ownership
>WEF posts articles about how they want to impose globalism
>WEF accepts majority funding from Jews who are on record saying Goyim should be treated like cattle
Haha right-wing conspiracy theorists at it again
I swear even if someone came in to this thread and said "The south pole is on the South end of the earth", retards like you would come and try to debate it. Nice >Le REDDITOR.

Do you even lift?

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>>290116
You're doing a stellar job of demonstrating why the ability to defend ourselves from psychos like you is so important.

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>>290107
>If guns were hard to get in America too do you think the recent elementary school shooter would have killed the same amount of people?
if were talking numbers you still lose, according to the JPFO, 90 million people were killed in the 20th century as a direct result of gun control and in total governments killed over 200 million of their own citizens in the 20th century. the amount of people that could be saved from mass shootings is nothing compared to how many could be saved from their own governments.

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>>290121
I kind of want to keep egging him on, because the more he talks, the more he eviscerates his own talking points.

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>>290120
>>Hey normgroid
>called it.
>Do you even lift?
So you're not actually a wizard?

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>>290134
4chan is a toilet where the median age of posters is 15

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>>290135
>actually defending soyboys.
o_o

 No.290137

>>290136
>using that word
>emoji
Go back

 No.290138

heyKID it is a text smiley, not an emoji, jesus christ these fucking babies with ipads glued to their bouncy mobile booster seats MINIMUM AGE 18

 No.290140

>>290138
If it was a text smiley it would be smiling, not staring blankly

 No.290141

>>290140
:0 ur right X_X

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>>290120
>I'm registered to vote and have been voting for my party of choice in federal and municipal elections since they formed. I have a lot of respect for my running MP.
i literally can't imagine thinking this

>Haha

i think the wef is amplified so people pay less attention to things like esg regulatory bodies where these decisions are actually being made

 No.290145

>>290113
Legalizing hard drugs? Damn thats based, I really wish they did legalized where I live that will be awesome

 No.290146

>>290145
have we decided whether funneling drugs into ghettos and cities is an act of oppression or liberation yet?

 No.290147

>>290145
>>290146
Pretty sure it's a "we won't arrest you but we'll force you into rehab" type deals. No one is ever gonna just say yeah let's distribute meth to everyone.

 No.290148

>>290146
If used as a means of enabling and enforcing the arrest, imprisonment, forfeiture of civil rights and establishment of permanent underclass status, oppression.
Only liberation if liberty-enhancing.

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>>290145
I wish they did it just so the degenerates would OD and remove themselves from the metaverse (but not in minecraft)

 No.290150


>>290083

Degenerates who think they can crash society with no survivors. Addict/bums who care about nothing but causing chaos and destroying others to get their fix

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>>290120

I am so glad you are a wizard and will never have kids

 No.290152

>>290148
>If used as a means of enabling and enforcing the arrest, imprisonment, forfeiture of civil rights and establishment of permanent underclass status, oppression.
>Only liberation if liberty-enhancing.
which path would you suspect a neoliberal state like canada is pursuing?

 No.290153

>>290152
The one where they do all of the oppression things but do them using labels like 'psychiatric intervention' and 'work rehabilitation'.

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>>290153
うんうん

 No.290155

>>290108
An aristocracy of cultured intellectuals can be trusted better to decide things than the majority which includes prostitutes, drug addicts, alcoholics, normals of every kind and generally stupid people. It is not that hard to understand why someone would hate the idea of democracy.

>>290110
Apparently those background checks aren't worth anything, considering how many psychos get weapons legally. I'm not american but I am pretty sure in southern states it is ridiculously easy to get guns. I mean in some states you have to be 21 to drink alcohol but you can buy guns at 18! Insanity. But I'm not an expert on this thing and I am too lazy to research it, maybe I'm wrong. Correct me then.

>>290112
Um no. They are basically the same thing. Morals are the abstract concepts and ethics is about how these concepts should be applied in everyday life and situations. So it doesn't matter whether you call something sin or dishonorable, it means the same thing, that you don't approve of certain actions.

>>290114
Conservatives don't understand that you can't turn back time. What is gone is gone. We can only go ahead. It is necessary to create new values, in fact the old values were once new values too back in past. And so what is Conservative? There is no real answer to that, you mentioning the Altar and The Throne could describe any hierarchy based system. Being right-wing means you want a world of hierarchy ultimately. New times demand new answers and new people.
Rotten false hierarchy, families and polities need to go. The rabble can be rulers too, in fact most of the time one only sees them rule and not those who are worthy to rule. I can't honestly say to a child who is raised by drug and sex addicts that he should respect his parents. And I can't say to a citizen to just follow a rotten hierarchy that is harmful to humanity and culture too.

As for beauty, I think that is beautiful truly which is rare and unique. Something that isn't common and ordinary. That is my taste in aesthetics.

>>290122
I'm not arguing in favor of most governments though. But you are defending the right of everyone to own guns. Everyone, including psychopaths, irresponsible people, criminals, literal retards, etc. It's not a battle of numbers and you can't win this argument by posting meme charts and graphs. There was another shooting I heard, this time in a hospital in Tulsa. Great job, guys. When will someone actually defend himself in a case like this with his legally purchased guns? I am waiting…

>>290150
So you mean 99% of the population?

>>290118
I seriously want a World Empire. I'm not a nationalist myself. A global aristocracy should rule the world, and I'm not talking about simply rich people. I am talking about people worthy to lead others.

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>>290140
I wasnt using an emoji. I just used 'o_o' because it's to represent shock/amusement/bewilderment

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There has to be a way to actually sell capeshit comics. This new wave of creators focusing on sexuality is not cutting it. Sales keep going down for Marvel and DC. Believe it or not I don't oppose stuff like pic related, in fact I read BL manga sometimes and Yuri Hime magazine all the time and there are stories in there that are actually great. Seriously good in fact. The difference is Japanese writers can actually write decent stories and even when the stories are shit, they are still better than what comic writers are doing. Quality is what they're focusing on so there's always a difference. And they actually own the characters so they care. Comics right now feels like a war of spite. Two sides of creative people completely brainwashed to forget why they're there and instead focus on politics. WTF? People in charge of artistic decisions have pol shitflinging battles on twitter. They use established characters to agro people they don't like and when they try to make new chars the fanbase just outright say it's shit because everybody is so angry right now. Everybody is pissed, like all these people have killed each others' mothers or something. I recently checked the sales and some of the X-Men books are like 20k units solds, this is insanely low for a major Marvel book.

It's completely disgusting and honestly I'm not sure why Disney tolerates this shit, they're losing money on this daily. DAILY. Sure they can have those twitter turds in there working for 25 bucks a page but it's not selling any so maybe they're not worth even that. It was not selling well before so it's not 100% their fault but now it's definitely worse. 20k copies for an X-Men title is ridiculous. Also they kicked out all the actual writers like Jim Starlin and they're actually paying Chris Claremont to not write. What's the fucking plan here?

Watching it this shit happens as a person from outside the anglosphere feels a little bit like reading about the religious wars during the 16th century when catholics and protestants went out in the streets to kill each other but instead of France it's in clown world instead because comic books is the battlefield. Everybody seem to have lost their minds. I know they have when even something as unimportant and harmless as comic books are contended.

I wonder how much longer this will go. It can be for much longer, I suspect the execs at Disney didn't have the proper to look at sales but once they do shit is going to hit the fan. They already fired Joe Quesada recently, something big is coming up.

 No.290159

>>290157
it's always mtf trans that gets pandered… this is some brainwashing shit. i liked comics better when boys aspired to become strong like superman. what is the positive message here? if you're slightly question your sexuality you transition to a tranny? male destruction

 No.290160

>>290159
Not a /pol/tard (or a liberal) but:

>it's always mtf trans that gets pandered…

You want to know why this is the case?

 No.290161

>>290160
oh come one everyone knows.

 No.290162

>>290161
I'm pretty sure my theory is going to be very different from yours.

 No.290163

>>290162
I'm all ears, err eyes I guess.

 No.290164

>>290163
I'm playing a game right now but the shorthand version of it is: They killed the "nerd".

 No.290165

>>290164
I mean the specifics may be different but I think most people get the gist of MtF trannies being mostly asocial "crab" types.

 No.290167

>>290165
I think it goes a little deeper on that, I'm not "anti"-crab like many here are (or pretend not to be). It's not their fault entirely.

 No.290168

>>290160
im not either, i just find lgbt stuff really annoying and synthetic, the movement feels completely unnatural, like something purposed for chaos and destabilization

 No.290169

>>290155
>But you are defending the right of everyone to own guns
eh, sort of. if you cant even agree that regular people have the right to own guns whats the point in arguing that psychopaths should own guns. and theres no point in even arguing that regular people should own guns since your homosexual belief in authority compels you to worship the cocks of those deemed to be rulers by other people.

>An aristocracy of cultured intellectuals can be trusted better to decide things

>I am talking about people worthy to lead others
why dont you get an aristocrat bf to lead you in bed you fucking homo. sounds like you really want another man to take control of you and fuck your ass.

>There was another shooting I heard, this time in a hospital in Tulsa. Great job, guys. When will someone actually defend himself in a case like this with his legally purchased guns?

pretty sure guns arent allowed in hospitals, so how was anyone supposed to defend themselves.

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>>290155
>Um no. They are basically the same thing. Morals are the abstract concepts and ethics is about how these concepts should be applied in everyday life and situations. So it doesn't matter whether you call something sin or dishonorable, it means the same thing, that you don't approve of certain actions.
there's a real ontological difference between drawing down from abstractions and drawing up from your distaste. one is rooted in eternal essences that exist beyond the world, and the other is rooted in immanent forces in the body. a sin is evil, but dishonor is just bad

>I seriously want a World Empire. I'm not a nationalist myself. A global aristocracy should rule the world, and I'm not talking about simply rich people. I am talking about people worthy to lead others.

the leader of such an empire would also have no friends or enemies worthy of them, however. also, why stop at the world?

 No.290172

Can someone explain the gun men in the same discord thing please?

 No.290173

>>290168
>im not either, i just find lgbt stuff really annoying and synthetic, the movement feels completely unnatural,

>like something purposed for chaos and destabilization

Whether it was or wasn't purposed, is (kinda) irrelevant to me because what happened to the old kind of nerds was, I think, mostly unintentional.

I'll write up something later, if you're still interested.

 No.290174

>>290168
It is unnatural. It's an unnatural ideology that promotes destructive behaviour. It's promoted by places like Amazon because they know it's subversive and causes divisions. The catholic spics hate the fags and won't form a union with them for better working conditions. So Amazon promotes faggotry and spic pride to keep those two groups at each other's throats.

The wider issue is a snow ball effect. Jewish interests are always to subvert the native population's solidarity to blend in easier. So you promote outcasts and go into law and banking to grab power to do it. There's always a new group of outcasts wanting to throw law suits at people so you make a fortune. Then you run out of fags crying over wedding cakes so it becomes time for the trannies to cry over bathrooms. The industry exists and always needs new reasons to exist so it expands and expands. Calling back to Amazon, they used to sell books and only books. But now look at them..

>In b4 Muh /pol/ despite it being all true and self admitted by all involved.

 No.290175

>>290173
i believe i've read your opinion already, i was just stating how i felt. you think geekdom is basically dead and geeks are instead urged into becoming trannies or something. i think you mentioned speedrunning. maybe i'm misremembering or mistaking this idea for someone else's

 No.290176

Yes.

 No.290178

>>290157
Comics are dead. This isnt the pre 2010's anymore, the only thing that made comics popular was the fact that portable entertainment was limited, now with everyone having the internet in their pockets there isnt much use to looking at capeshit pictures.
That's why marvel/disney allows it, because no one is going to buy comics other than nostalgia/faux-nostalgia obsessed losers who more often than not are part of the LGBTQ community

 No.290183

>>290175
>i believe i've read your opinion already,

You might have, but I think you're confusing me with the entire thread(s) I used to post in. Those threads were about the general death of geekdom. My posts in those threads were about the "i ncel-to-female" pipeline, "be your own gf" and things I've noticed in my tranny/trap porn collection.

>you think geekdom is basically dead and geeks are instead urged into becoming trannies or something

I don't think it's that geeks are "urged" to become trannies persay….
My tranny/trap porn collection used to be mostly just brazilian/thai shemales, now it's mostly traps from here and other 1st world places. The thing I've noticed is that these traps, at least half of them at the very minimum, look like they'd be your average skinny geek back in the 90s/00s but something compelled this generation of geeks to whore their ass out on webcams. Other wizards floated a few ideas: an unacknowledged gender population imbalance, porn addiction, attention-seeking because they know what other (low-status) dudes want in a succubus, "try to become whatever the meme about being a succubus entails" i.e. trying to replace succubi, dating pools are shallow and uneven, trying to get succubi privileges (like going into their bathrooms) etc.

It's probably some combination of the above. Because "geek is dead", I don't think male geeks of today really can find their geek gf (yeah, yeah, yeah "no such thing") and so become their own geek gf. AND get attention that they never got as a dude.

>speedrunning

No that wasn't me. Maybe you can expand on that.

 No.290184

>>290178
Manga is still hugely popular and it’s the same format. People read manga on their phones to boot. Comics died because they were infiltrated.

 No.290187

>>290184
No manga is not popular. It might be popular than comics but compared to movies, tv shows and most importantly video games, manga is nothing but a small drop in the ocean.
Also people read manga on their phone but do they buy it?
It's very easy in this day and age to pirate manga/comics, but pirating & reading =/= buying which means the creator doesnt get much income out of it (Which is probably why the comic industry is shit, no one cares because people will just pirate it and they wouldnt be getting much money out it anyways leading to professional writers leaving and the piss-poor writers staying behind).
Sorry for the bad english

 No.290191

>>290187
Just about every majorly successful anime is spawned from a majorly successful manga. Piracy doesn’t matter cause the money comes from publishing rights and merchandizing. People aren’t reading comics because the content itself is trash. There is tons of demand for comics, tons of manga even get western published releases after the anime gets popular cause people want physical copies.

 No.290194

>>290169
So you instead suck the cocks of dumb normals, criminals, rednecks, etc? Why do you care so much whether they can use guns to commit crimes or not? I grew up in Europe, I never saw a single gunbattle or driveby, I never saw anyone getting shot or never even held a gun in my hand. The only time I see guns is when I play games, watch movies or meet cops. And I don't feel like I missed out on something or that I'm oppressed in any way or that I'm not safe. I feel perfectly fine. Here criminals use fake guns or knives so people can actually defend themselves, not like in your USA.

>homo

>fuck your ass
>homosexual
>cock
Ah, I see. So you want guns because otherwise you feel like you are a faggot. American "culture" is rotten to the bone, really. No wonder your country has the most psychos, serial killers and mass shooters in the civilized part of the world. Boys and children grow up there and witness all this alpha tough guy act and how you need to be strong and defend yourself always!! (even if it isn't possible lol) otherwise you are considered a sissy faggot. Can't you see the relation between your gun obsessed "culture" and why there are so many spree shooters in your country? American boys only learn to deal with their problems by using violence, force and guns. Like it is still the Wild West, heh.

>pretty sure guns arent allowed in hospitals, so how was anyone supposed to defend themselves.

Shame on them, sissy faggots lol Those patients and doctors should have been armed better, that will teach them homos lol

>>290171
So "sin" and "evil" aren't related to each other? I feel like you are playing with words again.

>the leader of such an empire would also have no friends or enemies worthy of them

Sounds very wizardly, to be alone on the top of things.
>why stop at the world?
Should we colonize the galaxy?

>>290174
I like Jews, they always defend outcasts. And who are more outcasts than us wizards? Jews are our greatest allies in this normalfag world. If the /pol/ conspiracies are true then I'd definitely side with Mr Shekelberg Rabbi over Mr Conservative White Alpha Guy who hates or looks down on weak males and weirdos.

 No.290195

>>290194
I know this is wizchan but do you seriously have nothing better to do?

 No.290196

>>290195
I like discussing politics with my fellow wizards. Yes, I'd have better things to do, I plan to play VTM Bloodlines soon but currently listening to music and posting here.

 No.290197

>>290196
Ad hom and namecalling is not "discussing politics". People have tried repeatedly ITT to engage with you logically and every time you respond with empty appeals to emotion and namecalling.

 No.290198

>>290197
Accusing the other party of adhom and namecalling isn't arguing. I can't do a thing if you guys fail to give good arguments. It is fun though, seeing how people can't really give good reasons for why they need guns exactly.

The fact remains that I don't have to be afraid when I go outside that I will be shot like a dog. Feels good.

 No.290203

>>290194
>So "sin" and "evil" aren't related to each other? I feel like you are playing with words again.
evil and sin are corollary obviously, but i don't accept the premise of sin or guilt as they are hostile to a good life in this world

as for playing with words the demeaning of rhetoric is a post-socratic thing, so sophistry isn't necessarily bad. what i've written doesn't contradict your position at all, it's just a different perspective on the nature of monarchy: we could summarize it as a western and eastern view, so you're all about inspirational leadership and action in accordance with transcendental values, while i'm gentle and have complete inaction

>Sounds very wizardly, to be alone on the top of things.

that's fine, but i personally enjoy the banter, and i also just like the pre-national idea of borders changing depending on aristocratic relationships, it's more human than viewing everything through consequential economics

>Should we colonize the galaxy?

yep, let's do it

>>290198
not that wiz but i don't necessarily have an issue with gun regulation, but the people who argue for it can't even explain why we should support the shitheap neolib state that would implement it. that is why they have lost the debate they started for nearly 300 replies

 No.290212

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lol

 No.290219

>>290178
Comics in the 90's sucks because they were trying too hard to be edgy and fake dark
Modern comics have the opposite problem
The real problem is that they chase trends and this has been in the industry for topics. The comics people actually liked and still talk about were unique for the times and set trends, not chase them. Gays and stuff being put in them isn't inherently the problem

 No.290232

>>290194
>So you instead suck the cocks of dumb normals, criminals, rednecks, etc?
no, i simply respect men and recognize that they all have the same rights, you want to worship the cocks of those you perceive to be superior to you and force everyone else along with you to take part in being the bitch in this homo relationship.

>So you want guns because otherwise you feel like you are a faggot

youre literally the one here talking about how other men are better than you and you want to submit to their commands, im calling you a twisted homosexual. this has nothing to do with any of my sentiments towards guns, you sound like a massive fag.

>American "culture" is rotten to the bone, really. No wonder your country has the most psychos, serial killers and mass shooters in the civilized part of the world.

not american, try again.

>I don't feel like I missed out on something or that I'm oppressed in any way

yeah cause you enjoy being feminine and submitting to men, i get it dude, you were just born that way or whatever. however for the rest of the population, it actually feels unnatural to act like gay faggots.

 No.290236

>>290203
I don't have a problem with word plays and rhetorics either, in fact they can't be separated from philosophy. Just curious what you think. So "sin" or "guilt" are hostile to a good life in this world but dishonor isn't? I don't think it matters what we call it when we are probably thinking about the same thing.

The western man is driven naturally to reach new heights and new depths, I think this is exactly why Western Culture colonized the world at one point. People on /pol/ and such argue that Western Culture is more civilized and pacifist but it is exactly the opposite. It is a warrior culture and about conquering and domination, that is why the West is still the leading superpower. Even though we have weak leaders now, previous western rulers managed to build up strong countries for us.

I understand what you mean. But I think a Global Unified leadership has many many possibilities for us to explore. It's like the Tower of Babel, humanity according to myth worked together and they almost dethroned God. It is interesting to think about what we could be capable of together.

>guns

I'm not arguing in favor of neoliberal states though. I think it is just better to reserve the right to own guns for those who need them for their work. I don't see the positive point for owning guns while I see many downsides.

>>290232
Well there is the problem then. I don't think people are equal or that everyone should have the same rights. Some people are more responsible, honorable and cultured than others so they deserve extra rights while those who don't even know what planet they live on deserve to be slaves.

>the homosexual narrative yet again

Don't you have other 'arguments' or insults? It got boring. We get it you place incredible amounts of importance on appearing like a tough guy on the Internet thanks to your inferiority complex. Not everyone needs to prove their masculinity at every given chance, in fact mostly homosexuals do this.

As for your childish anti-authority rebel attitude, unlike you I know I am part of society and the collective and that I depend on others. If you break your leg you go see a doctor and he treats you and tells you what to do. If your TV breaks down you call someone to fix it or to look at it. Why is it any different with political leaders and persons of authority? You always serve someone or something, whether you acknowledge it or not. And if that is so, why not serve someone like Napoleon, Alexander The Great or Julius Caesar? Instead of serving unworthy people.

 No.290240

>>290236
>Some people are more responsible, honorable and cultured than others so they deserve extra rights while those who don't even know what planet they live on deserve to be slaves.
It's rather boggling that you use success in politics as a measure of how honorable and "cultured" someone is.

 No.290241

>>290240
But I don't? I mentioned the people I did to give an example. There were probably many other unknown people who were worthy to be leaders through history but never got the chance.

I consider myself worthy to be part of a Global Aristocracy too. It's not about merit or high IQ or power only. It is about spirit and creativity.

 No.290242

>>290241
Okay, so if you do not actually view the current caste of politicians as worthy of enslaving everyone else then why are you lobbying to give them the power to enslave us?

 No.290243

>>290183
>become the gf

You gotta applaud them for it right? Maybe they couldn't get a gf but in the end they gamed the system in their favor: No one can deny that they aren't "their own gfs" because it would be "bigoted".

 No.290245

>>290243
They haven’t gamed anything but themselves.

 No.290247

>>290183
> and things I've noticed in my tranny/trap porn collection
Not knocking you on this but it seems a little pat that so many online male political opinions have such a deep inclusion of trends within their pornographic interests. Ex., I am disgusted by cuckshit and avoided viewing or attending to all the constant media attention surrounding the "Trump Tapes," the "Steele Dossier," the Clinton Foundation, any of Giuliani's numerous scandals, the entire Royal Family, or the Depp/Heard trial partially because I get those same 'you will not be able to jack off to this' cuckshit vibes. Kinda wonder how much that sort of selection filter actually distorts the ability to perceive the actual political landscape.

 No.290251

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>"Two men kiss as they celebrate stealing 1st & 2rd place in a womens race…succubus takes care of her child as she stands on the 3rd place she has been relegated to due to male cheats.

>This pic tells the story of gender ideology perfectly.

>Men first, succubi & childrens needs last."


Comedy or a tragedy, it writes itself.

 No.290252

>>290243
One hand, I have a HUGE supply of trap porn now, absolutely huge because of this, all of it quality. And because they are also geeky dudes who jack off to /d/, I'm almost 100% sure that super niche porn genres have expanded because of them as well. I don't know if anyone remembers how rare trap hentai comics were when losers hadn't dropped their standards to include men. And how limited certain niches of porn/hentai, like I don't know, vore or turning into an onahole.

Hell, I now have quality IRL latex kigu trap porn. That's 3, maybe 4 levels of specialization.

On the other hand, fuck no. It's a tragedy for my geek brethren. This bizarre display of failed masculinity (and not in the /pol/tard sense), this warping of societal bonds, this weird vibe of misogyny that radiates from some trannies that I can't place my finger on, making possibly "dangerous" minds docile, the continuing normalization of /d/egneracy etc. >>290245 is right, they may have "gamed" the system but ultimately they've gamed themselves, now they're /d/egenerate pawns for whatever power wants to control them.

As much I consume this porn, I don't think this shit is a kink really, it's more like failures of society appearing in porn.


>>290247
>but it seems a little pat that so many online male political opinions have such a deep inclusion of trends within their pornographic interests.
"pat"?

>Kinda wonder how much that sort of selection filter actually distorts the ability to perceive the actual political landscape.

As in how much your porn likes filter affects your ability to perceive the actual political landscape?

 No.290253

>>290251
I thought they claim that trans are all crabs who want to sneak in and violate cisgirls, but these proud trans dont need cisscum they got each other

 No.290254

>>290252
>"pat"
I wasn't sure what word to use tbh.
It seems like there's a convenient idea that one's tastes and distastes in pornography provide insight rather than irreparably distorting it.

 No.290255

>>290252
how did it all start? was it suggested to you or something? don't feel bad, bet if mods were to post every user's tracking cookie on here the mask would come off lol

 No.290256

>>290255
How did what start?

 No.290257

>>290183
ah, sorry for assuming i guess i don't remember well if it was an entire thread that this stuff was posted in

if i remember the idea was that trannies show up in speedrunning community so often because tranny/autism overlap, or there is some incentive/benefit for an autist to become trans. if you google speedrunning trans, games done quick trans, it became apparent this was a problem around 4 years ago, but i can find stuff as early as 2016 where people are complaining about tranny speedrunners being obnoxious and attention whoring. idk the reason i assume they get more views by becoming an abomination and relying on the woke/fag/trans/lgbt movement for support

 No.290258

>>290256
what made him start collecting trap?

 No.290259

>>290258
Speculation here, but I believe it may have made his penis hard.

 No.290263

I think most people would change their mind on abortion if someone showed them an actual video of how it's performed. They literally rip the baby into pieces while its in the womb and take it out bit by bit.

I was under this misconception that "oh it's just a clump of cells dude" but in reality it's basically a baby with a face, nose, ears, little arms etc. and sometimes its still alive when they "abort" it so the doctor kills it with another medical instrument. Then they don't even bury it or anything, but they actually sell it cause a lot of companies need baby fetuses for research or as active ingredients. Those memes about satanic rituals are starting to get kinda creepy…

All these succubi parading around, fighting for their "right" to kill a baby cause its an inconvenience, boasting about their tenth abortion like it's a "fuck you" to their dad or something. Whole thing makes me sick and I'm pretty liberal minded, not a religious nutcase that thinks jizzing on a napkin is baby murder.

I know most wizzies are anti-natalist and think life is inherently shit, but that still doesn't mean it's right to kill a baby. Shit is gruesome and it should be a last resort in case of a medical emergency, not a fucking "choice" for some vapid whore.

 No.290264

>>290263
Your objection is on the grounds of aesthetics.
John Stuart Mill wrote the big book of why aesthetics should have no weight in governance.

 No.290265

>>290264
Actually, it's on the grounds of it being a baby. Once the thing has a face, arms and legs, we ought to leave it alone.

 No.290266

>>290265
>Actually, it's on the grounds of it being a baby.
Your concept of "baby" is itself aesthetic. The 'religious nutcase' types you deprecated in your previous post had at least arrived at their conclusions via a process of reasoning that proceeded from their assumptions and logical axioms. In your case it's just 'this thing had a nose omg.'

 No.290267

defecating decaying primate meat stick cult lol

 No.290268

>>290266
>Your concept of "baby" is itself aesthetic.

No less than saying that my concept of "5" is aesthetic because I note that there five things on the table. Just because I arrive at a conclusion by observing certain phenomena, doesn't make it about aesthetics. Are you retarded?

If it looks like a baby i.e. has arms, legs, a face, ears, etc., it's a baby, no longer "just a clump of cells". At that point, it is my belief that it is immoral to stop the process unless absolutely medically necessary for the mother.

Are you telling the difference between a zygote and a baby fetus is just about aesthetic opinion? You can objectively measure the difference between those things. My horror at someone killing a baby is not about killing a thing that has a nose, but that the nose itself is an indication that the thing was not merely a clump of cells as whores and reductionist would like to believe.

 No.290269

>>290268
wow ben shapiro word for word, text book moralfag parrot.
there is no mercy for anyone. not for the elderly, not for babies or baby animals and you want to keep this sadistic meatgrinder going? you jerk off to snuff films, you're not fooling anybody

 No.290270

>>290269
Yeah, let's kill babies cuz they might end up losers like you.

 No.290271

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>>290270
word for word, get new material.

 No.290272

>>290271
Not my fault Tyrone creampied your momma.

 No.290273

>>290272
crab projects its sexual fantasy aka breeding, you live through snuff porn I called it lmao

 No.290274

>>290273
Mixed race mutt hates it life so much it wishes death on the entire planet. Celebrates when his whore mother aborts another nigglet baby in its third trimester cuz she was too fat to notice.

 No.290275

crab types out its bbc mom fetish ^

 No.290276

>>290271
O.K. wait…why would Fox News make this piece? Isn't the classic advice “never interrupt your enemy when he is making a mistake”? If not procreating is a bad thing, then from Fox's pov, isn't it in their best interests that their enemies not procreate?

 No.290278

>>290276
well a baby should not be around people with anger issues like the guy that had a vulgar meltdown a few posts above lol

 No.290279

>>290258
Eventually you get bored of the same type of porn and you move onto more and more niche genres.

>>290254
>It seems like there's a convenient idea that one's tastes and distastes in pornography provide insight rather than irreparably distorting it.
It's probably both, feedback loops and such.

>>290257
>games done quick trans
I know about trannies in speedrunning but there's actually a thing called "games done quick trans"?

 No.290281

>>290251
Wimmin getting rekt by trannies hahahah.I really enjoy when radical feminists rage at trannies

 No.290285

>>290242
I'm not lobbying for them. Guns don't make you free, only a child would believe this. With or without guns you are a slave. In fact, this is the whole purpose of letting the population have guns, to delude them into believing they are free.

If something is stupid, then it is stupid under all kind of government. If I think legalizing weed and prostitution is retarded then I won't care if I live in a democracy or in absolute monarchy or dictatorship, it is still stupid in all the cases. Same for owning guns. If something is a bad thing then it is a bad thing under all circumstances.

 No.290286

>>290285
>If something is a bad thing then it is a bad thing under all circumstances
except when it comes to right and wrong of course. you believe youre entitled to force others to obey you under the threat of death because youre an "aristocrat" or something (delusional).

 No.290287

>>290285
So the government being able to own guns is a bad thing too then? Along with the army being able to own guns?

 No.290289

>>290287
Yes. Necessarily.
But the commons must be disarmed before the disarmament of the state can be pursued.
And states which are comparatively disarmed do exist under such circumstances.
Armament should be a privilege of the knightly class, or at the very most the yeoman/kulak class of lesser gentry, as it had been for millennia prior to Liberalism and Democracy devouring the old order.

 No.290290

>>290289
>And states which are comparatively disarmed do exist under such circumstances.
They still have guns that they will use if people get too rowdy. And they outsource their national defense to countries like the US. They're still using guns.
>Armament should be a privilege of the knightly class
What happened to "If something is a bad thing then it is a bad thing under all circumstances"?

 No.290291

>>290263
that little shit isnt even alive, my pc has a voice and i can give it a face, doesnt mean its alive..

 No.290292

>>290271
>muh children muh china daaaaa leaaaft
US is a fucking horrible place, now I understand why everyone is mentally ill there.

 No.290293

>>290291
your pc is not alive because it does not undergo cellular metabolism.
the fetal stage of life is undergoing cellular metabolism, as an organism, which organism is definitionally a human organism, as a distinct organism from the mother.

 No.290294

>>290293
my pc has electrons and particles

 No.290296

>>290294
I am certain that every university and institution of science would love to have you explain to them in detail why trees, fungi and insects are not really alive on account of your radio controlled car toy existing. I am not so certain that it is appropriate material for the politics thread.

 No.290297

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>>290296
you mean the very same ones polcrabs dismiss when those don't match their world view? hybrid robot lives matter

 No.290310

>>290286
I'm an actual aristocrat, my bloodline proves this, my family got privileges under the Habsburgs. But blood isn't everything, I think spirit matters more. Yes, I'm a special person, I am superior to others.
Why should I acknowledge the will of the ignorant masses? They can vote for Trump or Biden or whomever they like, I don't care, that doesn't mean they are right. They have numbers on their side only, just because they are the majority doesn't mean they are necessarily right in any sense of the word.

>>290287
>>290290
I never argued for things like nobody should use guns, I was saying that only people whose profession requires them to use guns should be able to use them. So I never said that the army or the police shouldn't use guns. It is bad to give guns to everyone unconditionally, that was my whole point. It is a bad thing under all circumstances.

It isn't wrong to arm soldiers or the police because they have actual reasons to use guns in their work. If you are so obsessed with guns why not just be a police officer or soldier?

 No.290323

>>290310
What criteria exactly makes you superior to everyone else to the point where it's okay for you to enslave them?

 No.290339

>>290310
>It is bad to give guns to everyone unconditionally
you arent giving guns to anyone, are you retarded? the "aristocrat" blood sure does shine through here. people make guns, and then sell them, nowhere in this process are they given out, what youre proposing is killing or jailing anyone who sells a gun to a regular person or any regular person that has a gun. what you want to do is forcefully stop consensual transactions from happening, not "stop giving out guns".

>they have actual reasons to use guns in their work

listen here you fucking retard i have a reason to use a gun in my life, nevermind what kind of fucking job i have. im a living breathing person with a body and possessions, and every fucking day i live in the real world, with people capable of violence. i dont get to take a break, i dont get to go home, every single day i live amongst people capable of doing harm to me and so i need a gun.

 No.290364

>>290323
Being able to form correct assumptions about the world, having visionary-tier ability to plan ahead, having natural charisma and the necessary cruelty to rule over others. Want me to go on? I could list my superior abilities all day and night.

>>290339
Giving out and selling are the same, now you are just playing with words, whatever. If you legalize drugs and people buy them then it is like distributing drugs among the population. Selling drugs and prostitution are also "consensual transactions" by your definition, you think everything should be allowed? Society needs laws and regulations, without them it falls apart.

>i need a gun!!!

No, you don't. You only think you need to have a gun because you were raised to believe this nonsense by the gun lobby. It is the duty of the police to protect everyone, not yours. You aren't authorized to serve justice to anyone.
>bbb-but my right for self-defense
You are so paranoid because you live in a country where guns are piss easy to get. If people weren't going around with uzis then you wouldn't need guns either.

 No.290420

>>290364
What kind of raging skitzo babble is this? Guns are easy to get in most of the world. Why are you so paranoid about them?

 No.290436

>>290420
No, they aren't easy to get in most part of the world. My problem isn't with guns themselves but the people who could easily purchase them in case they were legalized. Look at the US and tell me it is okay to legalize guns.


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