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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/lawyer-john-carpay-follow-judge-criminal-charges-1.6701320
Anti-Lockdown lawyer paid a PI to tail a local judge to catch him breaking covid regs; Gets charged with obstruction of Justice. Here's your DeMoCrAcY guy, you can say whatever you want if it's unheard and do whatever you want if it's ineffective but god forbid you start applying these rules to the Judiciary which has been pushing progressive gospel under the mantel of impartiality for over 50 years

>>297866
>i am on ukraine's side insofar as winning the conflict adds legitimacy and further emboldens the western regime. i live in the west so i see no reason to be a contrarian retard and hope that faith in it is weakened. i dont care if it is degenerate. everyplace is.
>>297876
>still doesnt change the fact that, yes, white people in fact do benefit more from nato asserting itself against russia (they at the very least certainly dont benefit from the opposite). legitimacy in the eyes of the international community matters greatly, which is chiefly why usa dominates global trade. thats why the oceans are full of us naval vessels, why most relevant nations are dotted with us military bases and why the dollar is the de facto global currency.
>there are no good guys in geopolitics. it's one pack of greedy assholes vs another. im not gonna be a contrarian retard and root for the underdog asshole
>>297893
>i only care about what furthers usa because thats what benefits (again, that also includes what least undermines, since the world doesnt run on your armchair ideals) my family. russia can invade your country and flay your microdick off for all i care, so long as they lose by attrition. and not a SINGLE time have i mentioned muh democracy. only you have.
>>297896
>it's already been outlined why that's not the case. there is no reason for usa to lose face and undermine their own legitimacy as the global authority, which would hurt the regular western citizen. so yes, that alone is enough for me to support russia and whoever else getting fucked over.
>you keep trying to make this out to be something about good vs evil and i havent stated anything past that i want the regime that my family lives under to be victorious so as to reap the benefits, or yet again (because you are very clearly a selective reader), to decelerate the decay of the aforementioned regime. much of geopolitical struggle is evil vs evil. both parties want what the other has and they dont care who they trample over trying to steal it. i will take an america-centric world over everything else so long as my family lives here.
>>297900
>i personally was not shilling for ukraine as i had been accused of doing. i want what is best (this is not synonymous with ideal in reality) for my siblings and what i view as best is hoping that their homeland maintains its place as the highest authority.
>you keep explaining stuff that i already understand, like how usa does not want a multipolar world, and i am not objecting to facts like that because i have understood for decades that any other regime would be considered the greatest perpetrator of crimes against humanity in history for what usa has done over the course of its short existence. i can get all sentimental and flagellate myself for usa's war crimes, but im not going to because i believe amplifying that sentiment in any small way is potentially counterintuitive to my family's welfare. for all the reasons that i shouldnt support usa, i have even more not to support russia.
People should read these quotes carefully to understand how this position has been constructed. It combines a self-confessed inability to defend US hegemony on its own terms with a defense of it on purely personal grounds.

A weakness of this position (if we take it at face value) is American and European interests often don't align. It's not in European interests to deploy missiles in Ukraine or block oil from Russia or Iran, which is why the EU adopted different policies to the US in these matters (including building intercontinental pipelines, which have mysteriously been blown up), so a wiz living in those countries could equally say dismantling US hegemony would personally benefit them and be right. If we don't accept the position at face value we can at least see its utility as a lazy defense of the indefensible.

>>297921
the average American does not benefit from a defense of Eastern Europe either. Reminds me quite a bit of arguments involving the British empire and how maintaining it was for the poor while only the rich benefited

>>297918
>Not only is it inevitable
Uh-huh, babby pretends it's a clairvoyant again.
>It combines a self-confessed inability to defend US hegemony on its own terms with a defense of it on purely personal grounds.
Rather have an opinion that I personally reasoned than be a balloon-headed retard (like you) adopting views of naive pundits who are likely being paid to proliferate them rather than because they feel strongly about them (or are you actually so fucking dense that you think only things you immediately disagree with are shilled? You never answered this and your grasp on English seems quite bad considering many of your misinterpretations). Furthermore, it isn't an "inability," you utter moron. It's that nobody gives a shit about hypocrisy in the real world. You certainly don't, either, because Russia is your pet-nation who is so perfect and righteous. Well, sadly, the only thing that's righteous in this world is might, and USA isn't the one fighting a proxy war along its own border.
>a wiz living in those countries could equally say dismantling US hegemony would personally benefit them and be right
Yeah, no shit, the little armchair general who autistically argues with bots on 4chan all day is finally starting to understand the concept of perspective.
>If we don't accept the position at face value we can at least see its utility as a lazy defense of the indefensible.
As in other responses, you make a lot of conclusions that don't follow, whether it's because your English comprehension sucks ass or because you are petty and dishonest. It's really funny how much you cry that logic should be applied equally to everyone and can still think there are any objective "good guys" in geopolitics. Really, I can't take any of your opinions (well, they aren't really yours since you only adopted them from your darling mouthpieces) at face value. You seem very disingenuous in general. Too bad that doesn't imbue Putin's ammunition with armor-piercing instakill magic. Only time will tell, little guy.
>>297922
You're so right, king! There's no way that the average American benefits from favorable trade. They should always support worst outcomes for their own country so as to undermine the buying power of the dollar and increase the cost of their weekly grocery trips (because why would industry leaders ever pass the losses down to save their own asses? Crazy talk). They clearly aren't affected by erosion of legitimacy just because they all aren't awarded $1,000,000 everytime USA wipes its nutsack across another third-world shithole's busted face.

>it's probably for the best that the states not be able to interfere so broadly in the affairs of other nations
yes, like russia in ukraine.

>>297924
Is this snark supposed to impress anyone?

>>297924
Cope harder.

^says the retard who copes about the 3 day special military operation soon to go on its 1-year anniversary lmfao
>>297926
I'm not trying to impress you retards, and it's telling that is your reason for engagement, normalfag Telegram nerd. You are very selective about the propaganda you want to believe and who you excuse to invade others. You are just like morons on Twitter with Ukraine flags on their profiles cheering about how Russia is going to lose tomorrow every day. You boil it down to empty snark because you're a triggered nigger, which is also why you take such severe umbrage with the simple statement of what I hope for out of the war.
I don't know, try not being so monumentally retarded if you want people to talk to you softly like you're a child? Good lack of argument punctuated with your own empty snark, though, surely going to convince Americans that they should go directly against their own interests. Oh wait, it's not in their interest because they aren't receiving millions of dollars each. Herpaderp.

>>297928
>the simple statement of what I hope for out of the war.
Can you repeat what that was?

>>297929
That Russia loses for the sake of US' legitimacy.

>>297924
It seems like every conversation on the ukope topic devolves into me having to pull up real figures because the shills are too low information to even follow the bare minimum on numbers. You're a fucking idiot not even worth my time fam, I've already looked into this several times and every time I do the arguments in https://www.theamericanconservative.com/holding-ground-losing-war/ generally seem to be vindicated

>>297926
Looks like a low info N@FO faggot. I wouldn't be surprised if they use google alerts to show up wherever da ""vatnik"" (cue kvetching) makes a post on le wrong side of history. Any cursory conversation with le >N@FO shill (funded by the state department to make the public believe fighting an unwinnable war for strategic overextension is in anybody's interest except blackrock and the billionaires) will reveal they are unable to acknowledge even the most cursory discussion of material factors such as numbers equipment etc. I would happily push'em into the ovens and give him the full holocoaster treatment complete with the bear/eagle and masturbation machines

Here's le ukrope oiker's argument:
>NATO must die for Blackrock! It benefits me as an American!
Actually it doesn't
>Le monke man waging a merciless war! Dis is evilll
This all started with sorosmaiden nearly a decade ago and Russia has treated it accordingly
>Ukoper winning! We stronkkk
okay so why does Russia have a 2:1 if not more advantage in men, a huge artillery advantage, and as many if not more tanks/afv's than oinkistan even with the based nato greatest ally treatment
>DUHHHH U BRAINWASHED BY RUZZIA VATNIK??????
Breadtube is funded by the US government and reddit is just astroturf. And this is in the low chance you're not just a dumb as fuck millshill/oinker psyop shill posting out of a bunker. Fuck off faggot

>>297932
>"real figures"
Translation:
>hurr durr me tink udder guy number is more pretty
How about let the dust settle, you complete faggot? Again, retard pretends it's immune to propaganda and also a clairvoyant.
>buhbuhbuh shill shill shill nafo nafo oink hohol abloobloobloo!!!
What a fucking retard lol. Incapable of recognizing any nuance, picky eater about which propaganda it will gobble down, argues with bots on 4chan all day and still thinks it is a strategic genius with its secondhand opinions it adopted to fit in with its fellow crabs on Telegram or Matrix. So, in the scenario that Russia does indeed get its shit packed, are you gonna humble yourself? Or just perform more mental gymnastics?

>>297934
lol. You're an idiot case closed I guess

just heard ukraine went to war with 556 nato. damn the shit sukcs bro. praying for my fellow north african wizards.

>>297935
>lol u dnt want stronk roshka victry as unitedstatesian??? u r dumb kekekekeke
The logic, where is it? Stay ass-chapped, contrarian faglord. I'm gonna make sure to rub it in your fat fucking face at every opportunity if the future favors me. Have fun tonight, arguing bots on 4chan again like a clueless idiot or coordinating epic meme special operations on Telegram with your buttbuddies or whatever sad activities you fill your days with. Putin's surely gonna award you the Gold Star for standing up to all those online shills (whose shadows you see around every corner because your grasp of English is tenuous).

>>297930
How is US legitimacy going? Do their allies suspect the US blew up nordstream?

>>297939
Do they? Both of us are more than capable of finding some journalist or pundit for every opinion on what happened. Views and statistics matter for dirt on highly politicized and currently-developing situations. There are conflicts that happened long before either of us were born whose numbers are still disputed. Poltards can't into skepticism (while claiming that they are). It's truly just empty contrarianism rather than an earnest dive toward finding the truth.
But go on, you're clearly jumping at the gun to inform me about how you have life figured out down to the smallest detail. Such pretension between that and believing you can accurately predict the future lol. My whole stance is that it should be maintained for my family's welfare, not that it is guaranteed to be. English must be very hard to comprehend when you're a self-important ideologue.

>>297940
>Do they? Both of us are more than capable of finding some journalist or pundit for every opinion on what happened. Views and statistics matter for dirt on highly politicized and currently-developing situations.
The investigatory bodies bailing out of the JIT and the actions of the German parliament already say everything, but you're free to interpret these events however you like.

>My whole stance is that it should be maintained for my family's welfare
You've already written there's no tangible sign of that, only intangibles like legitimacy and prestige. Forget $1m, your family hasn't benefited $1. The ones benefiting from an oversupply of Russian oil and gas are China and India.

(sage to leave /all/ clear)

>>297944
It doesn't matter what anybody finds, champ. So long as they remain my country's bitch, I can give a fuck less.
>Forget $1m, your family hasn't benefited $1
>n-no really, favorable trade doesnt affect the citizenry. j-just support russia anytime now… please?
Braindead. Pout some more next time you get fucked. :)
>sage to assuage my ass damage

>>297955
>Ukraine being a US dependency actually helps you, or any average citizen at all
It doesn't. The only people benefiting are blackrock and possibly the american armaments sector. A euro has zero reason to get involved in ukraine except the argument involving russian imperial ambitions which are clearly overblown.

>>297956
I'm only European ethnically and whites are clearly never going to organize on ethnic grounds again, so I could care less. Anything that benefits America economically ends up benefitting Americans. Unsure how you can think to sway me by sputtering the same crap arguments out ad nauseam, but go on. Don't forget to sage again, tyke.
It's quite funny to bring up Nord Stream tangentially as a gotcha against US hegemony when you admit that they were too scared to seriously investigate since they were expecting to find US as the culprit. All it winds up proving is how legitimate the US regime is considered. In short: your continent is my country's bitch.

>>297957
>It benefits my country!
>you mean the moneylenders?
>Murica numba one
your brain on ameriburger everyone.

>>297958
The whole word is dominated by such people. What, you actually thought Russia wasn't? LOL.

>>297959
multipolarity is preferential. I've already talked about this mister aspergers

>>297960
For you, it is, but it's also not a magic bullet that cures the problem of nationless wealth so you don't have a point.

>>297961
several independent centers of power greatly mitigates that issue. It's why they want open markets, world governing forums, overthrow independent central banks threatening alternatives to the system etc

>>297955
>So long as they remain my country's bitch, I can give a fuck less.
Then you've already given up on US legitimacy.

>n-no really, favorable trade doesnt affect the citizenry
US inflation is currently at 8.5%, primarily due to fuel costs. It hasn't benefited citizens.

>>297962
You won't have several. At best, you will have what you have now, just a different portion of the market for each.
>>297964
>war creates inflation
Wow! What a revelation! War is a bid toward greater prosperity, retard. In the case that Russia gets buttfucked and must capitulate to American demands, it ends up being extremely lucrative long-term given the country's natural wealth.

>>297965
>you won't have several
wrong. This is the end of my investment in this topic

>>297966
Thanks for conceding in so many words.

>>297965
>Wow! What a revelation! War is a bid toward greater prosperity, retard. In the case that Russia gets buttfucked and must capitulate to American demands, it ends up being extremely lucrative long-term given the country's natural wealth.
Is this that clairvoyance you were talking about? For now that natural wealth is simply being channeled elsewhere.

>>297970
>the most obvious product of war? you must think you can read the future heh…
That one must've cut you deep to be deliriously using it where it makes no sense lol. If you divorced your emotions from the argument for a second, you would realize that I've made no predictions, only stated my desires.
As in wars that America "lost" like Afghanistan and Iraq, they tore so much of their shit out of the ground that it's not even funny.

>>297971
>you would realize that I've made no predictions, only stated my desires.
>As in wars that America "lost" like Afghanistan and Iraq, they tore so much of their shit out of the ground that it's not even funny.
Your long-term desire is to acquire Russia's natural wealth, but you're fine with Afghani lithium and Iraqi oil being in the hands of China and Iran respectively? That's pretty dumb even for someone pretending to be a jingoist troll.

>>297975
What's pretty dumb is thinking either of those countries pose a tangible threat to USA.
>u-ur le jingoist trole if u disagree with my darling roshka!!!1
I've said plenty to the contrary. I've been frank about US' track record. Being pragmatic, however, I have every reason to support my nation's ludicrously aggressive foreign policy. Let's turn the spotlight back to you and how you think Russia has suddenly abandoned imperialistic pursuits (despite actively invading its neighbor at this very moment LMAO). Your shithole is going to be plugged by someone either way.

>>297888

This Chud clip that thinks and treats you like an idiot cuts out the part before where he says "pre-war"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Ukrainian_War

Back when Yanukovych and his wife were in power and Russian tied oligarchs ruled Ukraine, and Yanukovych had a palace made from embezzled money. Ukraine's economy was growing rapidly after Yanukovych got kicked out and even despite losing a bunch of its prosperous land and having to fight a war in the east.

>>297992
>This Chud clip that thinks and treats you like an idiot cuts out the part before where he says "pre-war"
They always do this. Post blatantly fake or out of context content that can be disproved by anyone willing to spend less than a minute looking up the source (or lack thereof)

https://twitter.com/pope_head/status/1617590556028190720
Ratzinger names the homo mafia

>>297917
>Also the term crab is such a gay thing now, its like the word 'nazi' and gets thrown around by normies everywhere to discredit anyone who is not a complete faggot (if you look at the people who use the word you will notice that most of them are actually homos so their understanding of sex is most likely getting fucked in the ass anyway) and its hardly ever aimed at the right people.

I sense a growing population of disenfranchised young males who no longer want to be cogs in the machine, especially when their labour no longer affords themselves the privileges of being able to sustain themselves, being able to afford their own home, being able to attract a mate, being able to start a family, etc. Potential revolutionaries in their midst (or lead weights in their system) so why not call them crabs?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-57071977
>Under the proposals, social media sites will be required to act on harmful content like this - even when legal
>bill blocks misogyny, muh antisemitism, haete speech etc
Every single anglosphere country is turning into a one party authoritarian state hellbent on policing freedom of thought and speech. As one user intelligently put it: "

The British government has no connection to its people. The British government is an occupying power that uses the pretence of "democracy" to divide the people and the "rule of law" to suppress revolt."

Everyday i wake up hoping that zelensky is captured and the war is over so i can have $3.99 popeyes sandwhiches and the $5 2 piece 2 sides box again

>>298213
The war has very little to do with fast food prices and even if it ended tomorrow it's extremely unlikely for prices to return to 2019 levels.

Fact of the matter is far too much money was "printed" and it has caused MASSIVE inflation in all major currencies. That means both your and my money is worth less than it was and prices have to go up to compensate.

>>298282
the comments sections of news sites and social media are full of posters mad that the war is dragging on
wah wah the guvmint is shipping tanks to ukraine and my poor grandma cant afford to drive to the hospital because gas prices too high and my kids are freezing at school >:( or some other melodramatic shit

it's as if they were unaware that there is a war going on, like i understand americans feeling this way as they're thousands of miles away from it all but as an european this is inexcusable. people take national security for granted like this can't ever happen to them
the eastern european states that we used to mock for being hawkish and paranoid were right all along

>>298285
It's easy to concern troll about muh security muh values when you're some well of yuppie insulated from the externalities of war in his daily life. No asshole, I don't want to struggle buying food so your favorite aristocrats can fight some other ones over some piece of clay.

>>298292
I think he's being sarcastic.

>>298292
Struggle? America overproduce food which then rots anyway.

>>298282
Bruh that $ could at least help neets who are struggling instead of keeping an entitled greedy kike dictator in power

>>298328
neets should help themselves by tracking down rich onlyfan thots and burglarizing their houses. otherwise they get no respect