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68e8e No.53659

Why should /hob/ be allowed? I mean this whole site was made to incubate its denizens from their own inequity in the human race, but here we have a whole board for people to brag about, not just the fact they have interest, but also talents. I could give a shit if some guy brags to me about his sexual conquests or his social life, like all true wizards I reject society as the jerkoff it is, but when sone guy shows me his graphic novel or his musical composition, I just want to kill myself. Meanwhile everyone thinks the top priority is deleting fucking frog memes. Seriously, Fuck /hob/ and FUCK ARTISTS!

2d57b No.53663

i empathize
but i mean come on
Can't people hate society and want to do something in their own time? life is unbearable without something to do
imageboards are not even that fun

68e8e No.53669

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>>53663
Sure but don’t rub our faces in it. A lot of us don’t even have interests, let alone things we’re naturally good at. Go share your shit on 4chan. I don’t even mean that like just fuck off, I use 4chan all the time. I mean this site isn’t fast enough to sustain my need to shitpost. This site isn’t like 8chan, its not a replacement (and that’s what people really need to get around here), its a supplementary environment that upholds a certain set of ideals, primarily getting to talk with people who are much like yourself and who, unlike normalfags, don’t reflect your inadequacies back upon you. Like why would I care if the guy I’m discussing video games with has sex and friends? It doesn’t come up. Now if I want to discuss the feelings of loneliness and depression, I don’t want to listen to that faggot punching down on me through humble-bragging, fake empathy or telling me to stop feeling sorry for myself. Likewise, I don’t need some other sexless faggot telling me about how he’s inspired by Gennedy Tartakovsky and how if I just draw enough fucking cubes at various angles I can git gud at drawing like him.

506b5 No.53670

>I reject society

It seems that most wizards don't actually hate society, unfortunately. If you hate society, then it would logically follow that you hate capitalism, but when I see wizards arguing for the destruction of capitalism because it is a product of normie society, I see a wave of backlash of people defending normans and norman culture. So most so-called wizards here don't really hate society, they are crabs that just haven't found their place in it. Or if they do claim to hate it, they only hate is on a superficial level.

This is the fundamental problem that I see on this site. Between those true wizards, like me, who really do hate society and what to destroy it for something better fit for neets and wizards, and those that only claim to hate it but only shallowly because deep down they are crabs, which is the majority sadly. I'm using an expanded definition of crab here by the way, to include those that want to mate with succubi, and for those that want to maintain normie society.

68e8e No.53671

>>53670
The material dialectic is fucking gay. Keep drinking that normalfag koolade. Wizards should stand on the position of opportunism, instead of principle; who is gibbing the most gibs, regardless of why. Trump is promising me 1000 dollars and Bernie is a washout.

08a2e No.53672

1. Go to /all/
2. Find any /hob/ thread
3. Right above the filename, click "(hide threads from this board)"

Here you go, /hob/ is deleted.

2d57b No.53673

>>53670
holy lol. This guy didn't even say anything about politics and now you are making eveeyrhjng about communism again.

68e8e No.53674

>>53673
Just like so many normies, this guy has been pulled off into the jerkoff fests that are the hegelian dialectic and party politics. He says he hates society but he’s playing social games. Besides if you truly hate society, you vote for the chaos candidate, Trump. Me, I don’t hate society, I’m just indifferent to it; I laugh at the things society thinks it is withholding from me. I also am much too lazy and apathetic to vote for anyone in any political race, municipal, state and federal alike.

68e8e No.53675

>>53672
Doesn’t change that /hob/ is a braggart beachhead.

506b5 No.53677

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>>53671
>voting
I don't vote because democracy is a sham. Capitalism is incompatible with democracy and self-determination, effectively reducing it to ratifying pre-chosen candidates selected by the elites that funded their campaigns. Only fools vote and think it can make any meaningful change in their lives.

>>53671
>politician gives me crumbs while giving corporations the whole loaf of bread, robbing us of our taxes

Firstly, I don't believe in politicians saving me, I want to save myself so I don't advocate for anyone to vote. Think for yourself and question everything, don't let someone else think for you, because that puts them in a position to exploit you (which is what politicians do). Instead of voting, its far more effect to go out and directly get what you want through your own actions and not through a middleman politician.

By voting you're falling into the normalscum trick of maintaining normie society. If you were a true wizard, you would reject such a norman act and fight norman scum for you demands directly.

Also he is only giving you the concession of 1000 bucks because if he didn't then people wouldn't re-elect him during this election year, and to stop people from revolting and losing faith in the institution that oppresses them (the government and corporations), not out of any good will. Never mind that all taxes are theft in the first place.

>>53673
>says he rejects society
>h3's n0t talk1ng ab0ut p0l1tics duuuuuuh :^) I'm smart

So then what is he talking about? A fantasy world? See, this is what I'm talking about. This poster is a perfect example of the crab type of wizard that defends normalscum and normalscum society and gets butthurt whenever people attack it and an example of the hypocrisy of those that say they hate society but get mad whenever someone says to abolish it. We need to start pointing these fucking normalscums out.


You can be a crab in two distinct ways. Firstly in the sexual way: you desire succubi but they always reject you. Secondly in the social way: you want to maintain normalfag society but only complain about it superficially because you are not in the better social position under it. These so-called wizards really have the spirit of crabs in them and should be shamed for it and bullied out of here.

68e8e No.53678

>>53677
Where is this crab analogy coming from? There’s nothing wrong with being a crab in the bucket, if that’s what you mean. If some guy pipes up and says “Hey I really want to be better than you” then fuck his failed normalfag ass, he can go to hell.

862a8 No.53720

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fe01f No.53721

cant tell if this thread is a snowclone of something else, if it is not and op is serious, just fucking hide the board

dc9e1 No.53722

>it makes me so angry that other people aren't vegetables like them
>they ought to sit and do nothing with their time!
>a wizard is someone who only consumes and sucks at everything

literally op. also very pathetic. find a mod to help u with ur butthurt.

68e8e No.53723

>>53722
Get b& fucker. Wizzies can do hobbies, just don’t show off on this site. That’s not what its for.

0ad01 No.53724

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>>53723
Okay we are not picking up anymore new cartoon shows.

68e8e No.53729

>>53725
Leave.

6ab78 No.53730

I'm dedicating my next sword to op

dc9e1 No.53731

>>53730
please make me a wiz sword. i want to stab aul ma with it

dc9e1 No.53732

ABSOLUTELY NO INTERESTS ALLOWED!!! VEGETABLE WIZARDS ONLY!!!!! WIZTABLES!!! WIZTABLES!!!!!! –eats ur brain–

39f9a No.53737

/dep/ should be deleted and all failed normalfag depcrab whining banned on site.

68e8e No.53761

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>>53737
Being depressed is now "failed normalfag"? Wanting and failing to be good at something is "failed normalfag"? Welcome to wizchan 2020 everybody where every poster is a Diogenes style Wizchad.

7031e No.53762

>>53678
what does 'crab' mean, i never saw it until late

also hating everything having zero hobbies but misery probably indicates you should move to a different website, happy healthy wizards purusuing their craft is what this site is for

68e8e No.53763

>>53762
Since its inception this site was a designated hugbox. Its for people suffering from extreme malaise, general lack of independence and loneliness. The point is here you don't get accused of coping with your lack of access to sex when you try to say that life is hot garbage.

9674e No.53773

>>53762
its a term from some feminist reddit that the admin decided to add to the worldfilter for whatever reason

a235d No.53775

Video games are a hobby and if you play them you're a disgusting active normalfag who should go to twitter or some shit

68e8e No.53776

>>53775
false equivochotomy. Video games are media made by other people. If you want to consume media and talk about that, go crazy. Its creating media that is enviable

d35ea No.53777

>>53776
It's not against the rules to make you jealous.

68e8e No.53778

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>>53777
But it should be? I mean the whole site is based on that principle. I’m all for wild west internet where anything goes but that was never what wizchan was about. We came here to get away from bragging and humblebragging and having to feel like shit because we don’t measure up.

595f6 No.53779

>>53737
Honestly, this. /dep/ is the cause of most cancer around here, including people like OP.

>>53778
No, we came here to avoid normals and their interests - social life, sex, etc. Wizards can feel good, can be successful, just because you are a miserable loser you shouldn't force others to be losers too.

31366 No.53780

>>53778
I'm pretty sure you're the only one who feels envious towards /hob/byists. Me personally, I never thought that artists on /hob/ (most of which are pretty terrible) were bragging. They aren't famous, they don't get frequent commissions. Nothing to envy, I think. Being good at drawing doesn't make your life more interesting, videogames and consuming media is still 10x more fun than drawing, so you're not losing out. Do you also think that wizards over at maths thread have a more fun life than you? I really doubt it, lol.
>>53669
>I use 4chan all the time
There's more proof that wizchan is a retreat from people like you, rather than "braggers and humblebraggers". 4chan users don't have a right to complain about wizchan. Even if they do, they won't be taken seriously, neither by the userbase nor the mod team.

a235d No.53782

>>53776
>>53778
Video games are not a passive hobby. Video games require more focus and attention than just watching a show or listening to an album. It requires interaction and input from the player, and a good player can cultivate skill from it, and they can brag about it on here. Video games benefit those with good motor skills and longer attention spans.
I can barely sit down and play one of those things without getting bored, I can barely every win of them at all, I'm always annoyed by how popular this medium is. I hate seeing people talk about them on here, a board that should be about losers, and that's why I suggest we delete /games/ and ban anyone who ever talks(BRAGS) about video games. Not to mention that my computer can barely even play most games, meaning most people who play them are rich "wizards" who can afford better computers, thus adding even more layers on their bragging.
Face it, if you play video games, you are a normalfag chad.

0ad01 No.53785

>>53782
I don't think it makes you normal but definitely means you are better off than most people specially on an economic level.

What about musical.

68e8e No.53787

>>53779
See like this. You should be banned right now. Its NOT okay to call people losers on this site. Mods, do you job.

fcdc6 No.53788

>>53787
The most pathetic losers on this site are those who have set goals to become normalfaggots and have failed at that. They don't belong here. This website is not for people who want to be normalfags.

68e8e No.53795

>>53788
What does that have to do with anything. Stop trying to play games, you piece of shit.

595f6 No.53809

>>53787
You have serious inferiority issues, obviously. I'm a loser like you, difference is I don't hate on everyone just because they are more talented than me. Grow up.

31366 No.53814

>>53809
>Grow up
Grow some balls, be a man, do a firm handshake, kiss the succubus, buy a car, buy a boat.
>I'm a loser like you but I'm better than you
Loser olympics, lol. Who's the most successful, well-adjusted loser? The winner loses virginity.

595f6 No.53816

>>53814
It's a pretty basic stuff not to hate on others just because they are more talented than you, most people who grow out of their teenager phase can grasp it easily.
>I'm a loser like you but I'm better than you
Exactly. Being an insecure bitter child is low, even for losers.

c7163 No.53832

>>53763
Exactly. I don't really know what the fuck this whole "healthy wizards" shit is about. If you have hobbies and skills that you're good at and no malaise, then you can just go to sites dedicated to them. No one's talking about fucking on hobby websites. In fact, you'd get shut out as a creep if you did.

c7163 No.53842

>>53816
It's more they come to a site with mostly people who aren't talented and punch down. It feels like a weird desire to be big fish and bully.

I don't really know anyone who would feel "secure" and not bitter about stuff. It's a basic emotion when you're missing out that everyone has. They just are forced to shut it out because people are taught to cope.

595f6 No.53848

>>53842
lol Get your head checked. Nobody is bullying anyone here, you paranoid ass. Especially not /hob/.
>I don't really know anyone who would feel "secure" and not bitter about stuff. It's a basic emotion when you're missing out that everyone has. They just are forced to shut it out because people are taught to cope.
Not really, only idiots like you are insecure little kids who can't enjoy their own life so they get obsessed with how others live.
Though I'm pretty sure you are just trolling. Well, this is /meta/ so that should be expected.

68e8e No.53860

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>>53848
NOBODY HERE SHOULD BE ENJOYING THEIR FUCKING LIFE. IF ANYTHING THE FIRST RULE OUGHT TO BE “ 1. YOU HAVE TO HATE THE SHIT OUT OF LIFE”.

2565d No.53861

The failed normies of /dep/ with their crab in bucket syndrome are the second biggest problem on the site and will likely be the death of the site.

68e8e No.53864

>>53861
>hurrdurr, using the site for its intended purpose is going to ruing the site

2565d No.53865

>>53864
I don't think you understand the intended purpose of this site.

68e8e No.53866

>>53865
and I think you've been here all summer and need to fuck off

39f9a No.53867

>>53866
Do not state or suggest that you had, will have or want to have sexual or romantic experiences.

c7163 No.53870

Users are encouraged to post threads and images which are relevant to wizards, wizardry or the celibate, NEET, or reclusive lifestyles. Posts that are deemed to be low quality, antithetical to the spirit of the site or posted by someone deemed not to be a native of Wizardchan may be removed. Such posts or images include: /r9k/ tier threads: >tfw no gf, outsider memes or shitposts (Feel guy, Pepe/Sad frog, dubs etc).


so I don't get how stuff that would fit on non-wizard/celibate/neet/etc. websites fits on here. no one is going to jump on your dick if you show your drawings somewhere.

I could get having hobbies tied to one of those things, but I don't usually notice any connection. If you're happy and well-adjusted and just don't have sex, in any non party/bro-y type of setting it won't come up.

A lot of the "life is good" posters here are indistinguishable from like hackernews or other websites where people brag about stuff.

595f6 No.53878

>>53861
Keep up the good fight, fellow volcel. We may lose in the end but I don't plan on going down without a fight.

>>53870
Hobbies are neutral things which we should be able to discuss. If it bothers so you so much then just browse /dep/.
>If you're happy and well-adjusted and just don't have sex, in any non party/bro-y type of setting it won't come up.
Actually, it will. That is why most sites and forums suck. The need to discuss succubi and relationships is everywhere.
>A lot of the "life is good" posters here are indistinguishable from like hackernews or other websites where people brag about stuff.
A lot of the "life is horrible" posters here are indistinguishable from r9k and other in-cel communities where people constantly shit on others who (they think) have it better than them.

68e8e No.53907

>>53878
For me I think it should be okay to enjoy life, there is nothing wrong with coping, just as long as it doesn’t cross over into life-affirmation and saying negativity is wrong. Everyone wants to be happy instead of miserable, myself included. On a day to day basis I am no longer remotely depressed because I get to study and do things I love. But I’m still realistic about life being mostly complete shit for a multitude of reasons. I realize I’m just burying my head up my own ass instead of meditating on how grotesque and horrible life really is for most people most of the time. If you want a dose of reality watch The Last King of Scotland and get to the blood magic abortion scene and them just think that is going on all over Africa and the West Indies, that people are bringing their children to such practitioners under the guise of healing them from simple medical afflictions and witch doctors are killing them in such grotesque ways. I mean that is reality, not our hikki Neet fantasy world or even Chad’s fantasy world. The first world has shielded us from the ambient entropy that has naturally picked away at our equanimity since forever. Let’s not mistake this free ride for something resembling the broader category of human experience. Even if a total normie can admit that life is fundamentally bad I consider him much more my compatriot than a Wizard who latches onto sophistic nonsense like “We must imagine sisyphus happy”. Miss me with that shit

c7163 No.53914

>>53907
Yeah, this is where my issue is. People are saying life is good when it's objectively not the case. You may experience better things than other people but that isn't the actual life experience.

The issue with the whole life-affirmation/positive psychology stuff is that it's just delusional or callous at best. Your thing about Africa is one extreme, but even in the first world, the quality of life has been deteriorating for some time. It just feels like a lot of the positive wizards don't really have any empathy for anyone else so they don't get why anyone else is negative.

The hobbies board itself is innocuous but the whole "I hate losers. All losers are crabs. this is for successful happy wizards." stuff is what's toxic.

a6127 No.53924

>>53914
If you have a good purpose, life is enjoyable. Bitter antinatalists have chosen made it their lives purpose to whine, and thus they are unhappy. They can kill themselves at any time, but they choose not to, because it would contradict their choice to be an eternal victim.

68e8e No.53925

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>>53924
You misunderstand, idiot. I have no financial worries, I have people on discord I can talk to my social health, I have a number of hobbies, which I find very fulfilling and the only purpose that should mean anything to anyone. My day to day life is quite enjoyable. I just don't cross over into stupid town where I mistake my facility for distraction and sublimation for life being somehow fundamentally good; it surely is not.

595f6 No.53926

>>53907
>>53914
>>53925
You deliberately pick out the negative things to look at and pretend that it is the majority, I hope you are conscious of that. Maybe because you are too empathetic but I doubt it though. People like you either love to project themselves unto the losers of life and identify with them because you can't let go of your failures and bad memories or you use them to justify your superiority: by saying how much most people suffer you can justify anti-natalism and therefore justify why you as a male virgin are superior morally to other people. And it requires exactly zero effort on your part to feel superior, ta-da!

If you were really so empathetic or cared about others in general then you wouldn't post on anonymous image boards about how evil life is, you would try to help others. But since you only roleplay I guess it is all right.
Not that it matters, since most people love life anyway. They may suffer through many things yet they also have their own pleasures, happiness and hopes. The things that make it worth it. If you don't have anything to live for then fine, it is your problem. But please don't speak on behalf of humanity, you don't represent anything. All those people you claim to feel sorry for probably love life more than you people. Don't project your misery unto others.

68e8e No.53927

>>53926
By all rights you should be banned, you can at least admit that right?

68e8e No.53928

>>53926
>>53926
Also I feel sorry for heroin addicts and they LOVE heroin lol. Lifers are no different.

68e8e No.53929

>>53926
>>53926
Also also, why would I help people to do the evil shit that they do? The only way I am interested in helping by humanity is by promoting antinatalism, up to and including forcible sterilization.

a6127 No.53930

>>53925
If you really believed that life wasn't worth living you'd stop living it. Instead you resort to excusing yourself of any agency by dissociating desires from you just because they're tied to biology somehow.

a6127 No.53931

>>53927
Disagreeing with you is not a bannable offense.

a6127 No.53932

>>53928
If heroin had no negative side effects there would be no reason to feel sorry for heroin users. The only potential negative side effects of life only can be seen as a negative in that they diminish life's own positive aspects. Suffering is neutral from the perspective of nonexistence; antinatalist hedonists are paradoxically tied strongest to life out of any of the posters here.

68e8e No.53933

>>53930
Wrong, you stupid piece of shit normalfag. Not only is my quotidian existence equitable, not only is suicide a huge pain in the ass, not only do I have virtue ethics and a sense of responsibility to my loved ones, not only all that but I also believe in hell.

>>53931
No, but it really should be. I accepted that I was correct and almost everyone else was wrong a long ass time ago. If everyone thought like me the world would be a better place. At any rate, I do perfectly represent what should be the thesis of this entire website.

595f6 No.53938

>>53927
>>53928
>>53929
Reply in one post, you can't samefag with IDs.

No, I don't see any reason why I should be banned. I'm not advocating sex or friendship to anyone. Not being a miserable loser doesn't make you automatically into a normal.
>Also I feel sorry for heroin addicts and they LOVE heroin lol. Lifers are no different.
Pure idiocy. Heroin addicts are seen in a negative way because they wreck their own lives and those around them.
>Also also, why would I help people to do the evil shit that they do?
Help those who don't do "evil shit", pretty simple.
>The only way I am interested in helping by humanity is by promoting antinatalism, up to and including forcible sterilization.
You aren't interested in helping others then, so shut up with your pretentious "my fellow humans who suffer! we should think about them" hypocrite crap. No man, no problems right? Hell you want to help, you want to take out your revenge on the world only. Either that or you speak on behalf of humanity again, which I'd like to remind you - you don't represent. Life sucks for you, yes. But many people would disagree with you.

68e8e No.53941

>>53938
Life USED to suck for me. Its basically perfect now. I have me bux and now I can dedicate all my time to learning the craft of composition and I am making a lot of headway there. Maybe before I would feel I was looking through a glass dimly at the normie life, but guess what, I got some windex and cleaned the fucking window lol. Now I look at all that stuff as a massive waste of time and effort. Even if its a "cope", its a bloody effective one and that is all that matters. I am not complaining, I'm just being realistic here about how technology, education and first world, indeed socialist ideals tenuously protect me from the realities that still effect a vast majority of humanity. My dad was saying the other day "Its amazing for all our advancement, we're still getting destroyed by one of the simplest forms of life." Excepting his taxonomy mistake, I agreed and said something to the effect of "Yep, we sure seem to think we've done something about such assailants, but its even worse than this, what about Radiation? Its a wave and virtually nobody can survive being blasted by it."

Anon, if your life sucks, just clean the fucking glass and stop projecting it on me :^)

68e8e No.53942

>>53938
Almost nobody abstains from the evil shit that is blithely pushing new beings into existence. That's the evil shit I'm talking about. If you get a homeless man out of poverty all he will do is say he's a self-made man and criticize people who say things like me, because he doesn't recognize the rhetoric of the philosopher king (and neither do you). To me people are EXACTLY like heroin addicts in the very respects you said. To me instead of saying "life" is not that great, they revel in it and THAT is why they get hurt and whine about it. If they just admitted there is virtually nothing out there and sat down and worked in a creative discipline like me, I think they would be much happier. But no, they always go back because they can't admit that life hurts them and they are locked in a cycle of abuse. So to me, the celebrators of life are indistinguishable from the celebrators of drugs.

595f6 No.53946

>>53941
>>53942
Like I said, spare yourself the effort of trying to samefag. You only shame yourself more.

>I'm just being realistic here about how technology, education and first world, indeed socialist ideals tenuously protect me from the realities that still effect a vast majority of humanity

You and most pessimists make a mistake at this point: you assume that "reality" or "life" can be only suffering. First of all, what makes your life less realistic than let's say the lives of africans? It is like saying the life of a king was less "real" than the lives of his peasants. Africans or other 3rd world dumps don't represent life, only a certain aspect of it. Just like suffering is only a part of life, not life itself. Second, like I mentioned previously, people have their own pleasures, hopes, dreams and happiness. Even those who you pity so much. In fact I found that in most cases the pessimists who beat themselves up over the "suffering masses" are more miserable than those they claim to feel sorry for. Just one example among the many: there is a beggar in my village who is an alcoholic and lost both of his legs. He uses a wheelchair, he goes through the village all day, even if it snows or rains to collect money for alcohol or whatever. He often gets so drunk he pisses himself in his wheelchair. But he keeps on going because even a guy like that has things he enjoys in life. He could easily kill himself if he wanted to, he only has to stay outside in a bad weather and that is all or lie on tracks and wait for the train or push himself before a car. Yet even he finds some sort of purpose and pleasure he looks forward to. My point is, you underestimate humans. They are much tougher than you probably and don't really need your pity. Those who seem to be suffering in your eyes at first glance may possess more vitality and joy than you if you look behind the scenes.
> My dad was saying the other day "Its amazing for all our advancement, we're still getting destroyed by one of the simplest forms of life." Excepting his taxonomy mistake, I agreed and said something to the effect of "Yep, we sure seem to think we've done something about such assailants, but its even worse than this, what about Radiation? Its a wave and virtually nobody can survive being blasted by it."
Yes, there are things people can't defend against. So what is your point?

>the evil shit that is blithely pushing new beings into existence

Speak for yourself, again. Most people are grateful for being born and most of those people whose existence/birth you want to prevent would love life too. You are projecting again.
> they revel in it and THAT is why they get hurt and whine about it
You anti-natalists whine way more than any other group, to tell the truth. If someone has no right to call out others on whining then it is your kind.
>But no, they always go back because they can't admit that life hurts them and they are locked in a cycle of abuse.
I don't think anyone denies that life can hurt, it is rather that people always look for new hopes, meanings, dreams and possibilities. Everyone has their own happiness, they don't need your advice.

68e8e No.53948

>>53946
How about you speak for YOURSELF by getting the fuck off of this website that has nothing to do with these trite perspectives. If you're not jealous of normies and you echo their pollyanna bullshit then why can't you just fuck off to somewhere else? Why do you need this place?

9ee1c No.53949

You're an absolute moron and probably a troll. There is no such thing as talent. Wizzies that are good at something worked for it. I also get jealous when I see a highly skilled wiz because instead of doing what I want to get good at or learn I play videogames all day and browse the internet. Blame yourself for having no will you pathetic beast.

68e8e No.53950

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>>53946
Also I didn't even read the first line of your post. But what a fucking idiot, you think I'm samefagging now? You think two different livid posts multiple paragraphs in length is an attempt to samefag on a site with FUCKING ID'S!!!! This is why you're an idiot, like your drunk friend and unlike me you cannot understand right from wrong. You fucking fool. You think I'm samefagging now? Look at the beginning of this thread. I made the whole fucking thread just to have an argument I didn't even necessarily agree with because I do what I can to clean house around here and excise the mundane idiocy of people like you. Its not even that your positivity is the problem, its how mundane and stupid you are. Have more interesting ideas.

f38c3 No.53964

>>53946
>the text wall that says that most pessimists conflate life with suffering
If a giraffe could articulate, he could probably tell you that there are sufferings and pleasures in life. I propose that only a small minority of pessimists believe life is purely suffering. Show me your numbers and I'll show you mine.
>Speak for yourself, again. Most people are grateful for being born and most of those people whose existence/birth you want to prevent would love life too. You are projecting again.
It's irrelevant that most people enjoy life. Obviously, some do not and they are forced to endure an experience that hurts them. Procreators play russian roulette with sperm. Is this ethical?
>You anti-natalists whine way more than any other group, to tell the truth. If someone has no right to call out others on whining then it is your kind.
I'd say most anti-natalists are profoundly unhappy. There is no surprise that unhappy people whine. It's the mewling of the scarred, beaten, ill pile of flesh swept into the corner by evolution. The whines try to tell the russian roulette players to think before pulling the trigger.

>>53950
Such poise and eloquence from the self-proclaimed superior intellect.

4cb37 No.53965

>>53867
You must be thinking of /b/.

>>53878
>volcel
Go back to reddit.

595f6 No.53971

>>53948
Wizchan 20XY - You can only post here if you are jealous of normals. Nice. What is next?
Oh and you seem to imply that there is an elaborate philosophy or thought system behind the words "normal" and "wizard". Let me enlighten you: there is no universal "normal" philosophy besides having sex and friends, or wanting those things. You claim that somehow being a pessimist or/and anti-natalist makes someone "wizardly": no, most anti-natalists and pessimists are normals, sorry to burst your bubble.
Just like being a wizard doesn't mean anything besides being a male friendless virgin who doesn't want to have sex/friends. That is all.

>>53964
>If a giraffe could articulate, he could probably tell you that there are sufferings and pleasures in life. I propose that only a small minority of pessimists believe life is purely suffering. Show me your numbers and I'll show you mine.
I can word this differently if it bothers you so much: pessimists are mistaken when they put an exaggerated emphasis on suffering. Besides, I was talking about pessimists who post on wizchan, and most of those hold a view that all existence is suffering/every happiness is just coping. But whatever, let's not dive into statistics and numbers here.
>It's irrelevant that most people enjoy life. Obviously, some do not and they are forced to endure an experience that hurts them. Procreators play russian roulette with sperm. Is this ethical?
In this case however, numbers DO matter, it isn't irrelevant at all that most people enjoy life. Pessimists/anti-natalists love to speak in the name of everyone but it is just foolish indeed, considering most people don't mind the fact that they were born.
I would say it is ethical, definitely, to bring others into existence. First of all, you can only decide whether you like being alive or not AFTER you were born. Then, if you love life like most of humanity do, then good for you, you won the lottery so to speak. If you don't like life then you can kill yourself whenever you want to. But you'll come at me with the "suicide is too hard" card, I can see it. Well, okay let's accept it that not everyone is capable of suicide for whatever reason. You can still live like a corpse, waiting for death, as it will come to you eventually. The number of years you spend existing are minimal compared to the amount of time you will spend in non-existence. So you will somehow get through life either way.
All in all, what you are saying is basically "let's erase the race so there can be no losers". However, in our case - life - you become a loser the minute you make yourself into a loser, in short even the "losers" of life can find happiness and joy if they want to. Hence people with crippling illnesses and poverty who still find things that make them happy in life and are grateful for being born.
>I'd say most anti-natalists are profoundly unhappy. There is no surprise that unhappy people whine. It's the mewling of the scarred, beaten, ill pile of flesh swept into the corner by evolution. The whines try to tell the russian roulette players to think before pulling the trigger.
You know this is very ironic and funny because most anti-natalists are spoiled, relatively healthy first-world kids who after watching some videos terrorists uploaded unto the net or looking at documentaries that show them the "suffering" masses decide that they know life isn't worth living and start to preach in the name of humanity. Or even better, they are depressed because first-world problems and all that so they project themselves unto the "losers" of life, while the real losers are them.
And by the way, instead of blaming Mom and Dad, you should try to find some sort meaning, happiness, pleasure, joy or whatever for yourself, you know like most people do. Just saying.

68e8e No.53972

>>53971
Shut up you fucking doofus. If you think this has anything to do with jealousy then you're an idiot who needs to shut his hole.

f38c3 No.53974

>>53971
>But whatever, let's not dive into statistics and numbers here.
Doubt you've done this anywhere.

>If you don't like life then you can kill yourself whenever you want to. But you'll come at me with the "suicide is too hard" card, I can see it.

And what of those people who would not want to cause those around them unnecessary harm/grief by killing themselves? Have you seen this foil trap card I bought off Egay?

I guess it would be ethical for me to go around supergluing gold crowns to peoples heads. Some would just love their beautiful shiny new crown. If others don't like it they can just pull of the crown along with their scalp skin whenever they want. Right?

Or I could hand out apples to kids on Halloween, knowing full well that 10% of the apples are full of razors or worms. No, that is too fucked. Ah, but I forgot an invincible tenet of free will. Kids can decide that they like razors tearing up their mouths. Fuck yes! furthermore those little fuckers HAVE to like those razors I stuffed in their faceholes or else they're whiner scum. Those ones that got the worms aren't allowed to speak. Truly, I am become life.

>the last paragraph

Lol, those nasty, nasty antinatalist toddlers hurting your feelings? Let it all out you hateful, "happy" person.

595f6 No.53980

>>53974
>Doubt you've done this anywhere.
Doubt you've ever bothered to reply thoughtfully and properly.
>And what of those people who would not want to cause those around them unnecessary harm/grief by killing themselves?
Ha-Ha! Another one of my favorites, "I don't want to make X person cry!" - so obviously you have people you care about which makes your whole "life is horrible" argument very weak in itself. I'm assuming they aren't Mom and Dad since you hate "breeders" very much, so probably your sister, brother or other family member because otherwise you are in the normalfag territory.
Yet again you bash life in spite of acknowledging that you have something/someone you care about. Typical hypocrite pessimist. If you really wanted to die then you would have gotten to down to business many years ago. But do continue posting here by all means about how much you despise life.
>Or I could hand out apples to kids on Halloween
>go around supergluing gold crowns to peoples heads
Retarded examples. Allowing people to come into existence can't be compared to anything, since we don't know much about non-existence, we know practically nothing. We know about existence. We know that it is full of hardships, yet most people manage to find happiness, meaning and pleasures. So yes, even those 10% who receive the razors and worms can find joy in existence, in fact most do, if they want to.
By the way, I'd really like you to elaborate what are your "razors" and "worms" personally. I'm honestly interested.
>Lol, those nasty, nasty antinatalist toddlers hurting your feelings? Let it all out you hateful, "happy" person.
No but it is genuinely interesting, don't you agree? I mean the fact that most antinatalists are 1st world brats who didn't really have to suffer through anything dramatic during their lives. Meanwhile those who actually received the "razors and worms" in life, like starving african kids, possess more joy and vitality than your kind.
I would say pessimism/antinatalism is so common among 1st world brats because they in fact didn't experience true suffering, therefore they are more afraid of it. Same as why rich people don't like seeing homeless persons on the streets, same logic.

c7163 No.53981

lol. "Wizards" reduced to using the "don't whine. people in africa have it worse and are happy."

guessing most of these guys aren't virgins at all

af296 No.53982

Suffering also involves consciousness some humans suffer less than even the lowest animals

af296 No.53983

>>53980
That's extremely dumb if you don't experience agonising suffering you can't hate it or have any knowledge about it

af296 No.53984

Genetics have a great role too I guess for example my grandpa was forced to be hiki for sometime until his death he had cancer but never showed any sign of even discomfort meanwhile both parents scream when they are sick of less grave physical stuff now if we go into mental and emotional suffering most norms since to only show sign of those when someone dies that's it more like they are in pain because they lose that like if it was properly isn't an empathic reaction since the death can no longer suffer

68e8e No.53986

>>53983
I have to deal with your stupidity every day. Doesn’t that count?

68e8e No.53987

>>53981
And like I said, do you really want to uphold some stupid nigger who gets his children killed with blood magic because they had a malarial fever or something, as a moral standard bearer? Its literally no different pointing out the happiness of a nigger than to point out the happiness of a dude currently on heroin, both are fundamentally incapable of perceiving reality.

af296 No.53988

>>53987
Now you are attacking the ones you were defending? I don't understand you not sure if I was understandable myself

68e8e No.53989

>>53988
I only defend them as suffering sentient beings. I generally have contempt and complete disregard for other people’s ideas. Like I said, I think of myself as as the philosopher king; my ideas are right and if they were put into action it would cause a better world. Yes a world devoid of conscious experience is better.

af296 No.53994

>>53989
I apologise for my misunderstanding if I'm not mistaken I agree with your ideas

f38c3 No.53997

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>>53980
Check out all those happily starving third-worlders are overdosing on optimism. That must be the only valid explanation for pic related. Can you count a suicide as an honorary antinatalist? If so, then poor countries mop the floor with rich in terms of proportion of population.

>so obviously you have people you care about which makes your whole "life is horrible" argument very weak in itself

Caring about the suffering of others and wanting to reduce it is only possible in a world of suffering. Often caring about how others are feeling makes life less pleasureable. It's not just black and white like how you paint everything.

>I'm assuming

Pretty much sums up your post.

>Allowing people to come into existence can't be compared to anything,

I already did! Can you read?

>we know practically nothing…

Most people know that it's wrong to do things that may result in human suffering. Most people recognize basic cause and effect. Setting aside the most likely case of simple non-perception and non-cognition before birth, what if the state of being before being born is pure bliss? Better drag that consciousness straight to Detroit, I guess.

>By the way, I'd really like you to elaborate what are your "razors" and "worms" personally. I'm honestly interested.

Kiwifarms is not sending their best.

>No but it is genuinely interesting, don't you agree? I mean the fact that most antinatalists are 1st world brats blah blah barf …

>fact
You confuse assumption with fact, subjective with objective.

>I would say pessimism/antinatalism is so common among 1st world brats because they in fact didn't experience true suffering, therefore they are more afraid of it. Same as why rich people don't like seeing homeless persons on the streets, same logic.

lol, you don't seriously believe this shit you silly fucker. Also, you shouldn't conflate pessimism and antinatalism.

c7163 No.54004

>>53997
yeah, i agree.

the main thing that would depress suicides in 3rd world is religion and just no reporting. antinatalism and pessimism only arise as concepts when people have time to think like most philosophical concepts, so I've never liked that argument about 3rd worlders being happier.

595f6 No.54005

>>53997
What is that picture supposed to prove? Are you saying only pessimists can kill themselves? Are you some kind of moron? Most people who commit suicide don't hate life generally, they hate their own lives. Big difference. I would say more optimists kill themselves than pessimists actually, pessimists are too busy whining on anonymous imageboards to do anything.
> Can you count a suicide as an honorary antinatalist?
What?? Those two things don't have anything to do with each other. 3rd worlders who kill themselves do so after spawning at least 2 kids, anyway.
>Caring about the suffering of others and wanting to reduce it is only possible in a world of suffering. Often caring about how others are feeling makes life less pleasureable. It's not just black and white like how you paint everything.
You're grasping at straws here. Just say that you are attached to life already because of X reason. You don't have to play the tsundere.
If existence was so much of a torment as you claim it is then you would have killed yourself long ago, that is a fact. And the fact that you are posting here instead of being dead proves that you don't really hate existence.
>I already did! Can you read?
And I said they were crap comparisons. Can you read?
>Most people know that it's wrong to do things that may result in human suffering.
Not if said results will most likely end up causing pleasures and happiness. Work exists and most people don't want to work, yet they do it because they know all their suffering is for their happiness in the long term. Suffering isn't always a negative thing, it can lead to joys and pleasures you otherwise wouldn't get.
People don't make babies to cause them suffering purely, they want children because they want them to experience the pleasures of being alive. Pleasure and pain are necessary counterparts that must exist.
>Setting aside the most likely case of simple non-perception and non-cognition before birth, what if the state of being before being born is pure bliss? Better drag that consciousness straight to Detroit, I guess.
What if it is pure - I mean literally 100% pure - suffering and torment, you just don't remember it? And after we die we go back to eternal torture. That would mean our only Paradise is existence.
Also, getting back to non-perception and etc, what makes you think it is better than existence?
>Kiwifarms is not sending their best.
Oh, okay. You don't really have any reason to hate on life then, you just jumped onto the antinatalist trend that is so popular around here. Gotcha.
>You confuse assumption with fact, subjective with objective.
But it is true. Most antinatalists come from 1st world countries. Western culture is slowly but steadily dying, when a culture hits its lowest point that is when anti-life and anti-existence ideologies start to spread. Self-destruction at its finest.
3rd world countries may have a higher suicide rate but overall their societies are more healthy, possess more vitality and more joy when you consider their circumstances.
>lol, you don't seriously believe this shit you silly fucker. Also, you shouldn't conflate pessimism and antinatalism.
I do believe I hit the nail on the head. Antinatalists want to stop people from being born because they don't like looking at suffering. You don't care about others, you are just afraid of people who suffer because they remind you of the negative(?) side of life. Because in your sheltered environment there is no such thing as actual pain, only "tfw the internet is too slow" or "aww, mom only bought me one pizza this week" type of discomfort.

68e8e No.54006

>>54005
I’m just hoping that you kill yourself soon tbh

c24cd No.54017

Aw, fuck off. I like to draw and write stuff and I want to share it with people who will actually get it, not just some dumb normalfags who will find it boring. Success in hobbies is actually anti-thetical to being a normalfag, because they don't have the time to be drawing, writing, and thinking about esoteric things. Most wizards in history were writers and poets. Man, I come here again for one hour and am reminded why I stopped coming here.

161f7 No.54021

>>54017
iktf. ive had to stop going to certain websites because i noticed it was making me so unhappy. maybe this is such a site for you? angry, crazy, political stuff is generally what you want to avoid and thats basically what meta is for.

^_^

0a717 No.54441

God I fucking despise envious people



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