not a virgin if you had sex though.
If someone has a lot of issues as a result of mommy touching their peepee then it'd be unfair to them to be in an environment where they're not allowed to express their issues, and place an unfair burden of emotional labor on virgins to require taking on both the cognitive load of comprehending said issues and the emotional load of addressing them.
The only fair solution is to ban virgins from the site so that only sad shotas can post, since if someone has a lot of issues as a result of mommy touching their peepee then there is nowhere better to accomodate them than this specific and particular site.
a man has sex with his dick, anything else is in the gray area.
I do not agree with this as it means someone who gets his ass pillaged can come here and talk about being a "wizard"
what if he was raped though?
can he not be considered a defiled wizard?
whether defiled wizards belong here is subject to debate.
I think it is best to have a don't ask don't tell policy for this but agree it would be good if some wiz could share openly how they were molested without getting banned because it means they have sexual experience. The rule would be easy to abuse though as a wiz could claim he was raped by some succubi and larp.
No it would not be good, there are plenty of other places online to discuss these experiences, I personally don't care and don't want to see this in here. If you were raped or molested you're no longer a virgin, period.
Besides the trolls and the faggots would exploit it as a way to ERP on their containment board.
where do we stand on medical issues? if a wiz had for example an inner thigh problem of some sort and a nurse (female) had to do some check and there was some grazing?
Video related: Two wizards discuss the philosphy behind wizdom and if a medical interaction with a succubus invalidates your wiz status.
/dep/ is full of negative topics that can be discussed elsewhere though, there can be a "keep it in /dep/ rule" or "no discussion" rule, I'm just saying they should be acknowledged as virgins.>>59826
If you had sexual contact with someone else then you're not a virgin. Whether penetration is involved is a technicality and means nothing.
Now, no one with a brain is going to hold your lack of virginity against you if it was rape because the "choice" was taken out of control, making you a victim of circumstance. But you're still not a virgin, and thus not a wizard by definition.
Life is not fair and people will abuse any exceptions made.
The answer is no.
I will never accept anyone being here who had had sexual contact with others willing or not.
If they feel the need to talk about their sexual experiences then they don't belong here and have the whole rest of the internet to go to that will pat them on the head and tell them it's ok.
This site isn't for them.
I don't give a shit if you don't think it's fair. If they aren't a virgin they don't belong here.
i dont care if you were raped or sexually abused or whatever. a sexual experience is a sexual experience, and if you had one then you cant post on my site
>>59826>where do we stand on medical issues? if a wiz had for example an inner thigh problem of some sort and a nurse (female) had to do some check and there was some grazing?
you just told us it was medical, not intimate (as stated in the official wizchan definition). so not an issue
>>59838>I will never accept anyone being here who had had sexual contact with others willing or not.
Why tho? Are you that bitter about not having sex that you would resent people that experienced it unwillingly and unpleasantly?
An argument exists against "sexhavers", but there is probably a big difference between someone that gets laid at the club and some sorry schmuck that got diddled by his grandpa. The other can still have a wizardly personality.
>>59842>there is probably a big difference between someone that gets laid at the club and some sorry schmuck that got diddled by his grandpa. The other can still have a wizardly personality.
doesn't matter. you are moving the goalposts. a sex haver is still a sex haver whether or not it is consensual. and sex havers are not allowed here.
>>59842>Are you that bitter about not having sex that you would resent people that experienced it unwillingly and unpleasantly?
No, I'm just inserting nuance into the conversation. You're grouping together all kinds of people into the "sexhaver" category, despite their experience of sexuality being completely different. There is a significant difference between someone having a consensual fuck with their gf and someone getting abused when they were a kid.
There's should be a nuanced discussion on what counts as a full-blown sexual experience and the severity thereof. I'd say any experience before puberty is hardly even sex, it's just abuse - only the abuser gets off on it and the person being abused probably doesn't even consider it sexual until much later when they reflect upon it.>>59848
Crabs are so pathetic, they even envy people that were molested. Were you an ugly kid, wiz?
No I completely agree with these "crabs". No one should be allowed to discuss any topics related to sex even if nonconsensual. Get a therapist if need be.
>>59851>No, I'm just inserting nuance into the conversation. You're grouping together all kinds of people into the "sexhaver" category, despite their experience of sexuality being completely different. There is a significant difference between someone having a consensual fuck with their gf and someone getting abused when they were a kid.>There's should be a nuanced discussion on what counts as a full-blown sexual experience and the severity thereof. I'd say any experience before puberty is hardly even sex, it's just abuse - only the abuser gets off on it and the person being abused probably doesn't even consider it sexual until much later when they reflect upon it.
the rules say no sex havers. nobody gives a fuck about your experience. what, do you WANT to have a good sexual experience? lmao wizchan isnt for you, guy
>>59854>the rules say no sex havers.
Indeed, but we should discuss the subtle nuance of what being a sex havers means. There's an argument to be had about people who've "had" a sexual experience so early it didn't even register in any way, or being raped while you're unconscious. You simply cannot equate that to "went to a party and got laid lol" which is what the rules are supposed to filter.
Again, N U A N C E.
>what, do you WANT to have a good sexual experience? lmao wizchan isnt for you, guy
The heck? Low reading comprehension or projection? Either way, online discussion isn't for you, guy.
>>59855>There's an argument to be had about people who've "had" a sexual experience so early it didn't even register in any way, or being raped while you're unconscious. You simply cannot equate that to "went to a party and got laid lol"
Don’t care. Rules are rules.
Concepts like "virginity" and "sexual experience" are very ambiguous. There's no explicit definition offered by your precious rules. Does someone brushing against your dick with their ass on the bus counts as sexual? Why not, there were genitals involved? What makes contact sexual? Is it sexual only if both parties consider it sex? At least one? What about virginity? Does blowjob = half virgin? Most people wouldn't consider that you've lost your virginity unless you hit third base.
This needs to be discussed and explicitly expressed in the rules. Bury your head in the sand all you like, I'll keep posting such uncomfortable questions until they are answered. Until then, your humble concession is accepted.>>59858>being this jealous and butthurt about rape victims
How sad is it that none of your family members found you sexually attractive enough to molest? No one even tried to rape your ass while you're asleep? You must be one UGLY motherfucker LOL.
This poor retard is now acting like being raped is something to be proud of, sounds like some normalfag who's proud of the sex he's had. Either troll or just fucking retarded. I don't care enough to know, like the other poster said if you've had any sex whatever-so-ever you aren't a wizard flat out. There are plenty of other places for non virgins you fucking normalnigger.
>>59858>>I passed out at a normalshit party and got raped, can I post here just change the virgin definition!
nice strawman, retard
it's a joke. Clearly, there is nothing enviable about being molested, especially by a family member, but you crabs act like any mention of sex is triggering for you.
I'll give a few examples of what I mean by nuance:
(a) hey guys, I just got laid at a party, got my dick sucked, came on her face and everything lol
(b) when i was a senior in high school, i got drunk and had sex with my aunt
(c) one time when i was 7 years old, my auntie was giving me a bath and she put my penis in her mouth. i didn't really understand it back then, but later i realized she was a hardcore pedo. how do i deal with this, wizzies? i've never had anything close to sex since then btw.
(a) and (b) are clearly sexhavers. (a) is regular normie, (b) is fucked up, but pretty much a sexhaver, and (c) is sexual abuse. I don't think the experience in (c) should disqualify someone from posting here.
The case for (c) is that, the person was not yet capable of having sex, didn't experience it as sex, and the severity of the sexual contact is low, therefore, I'm fine with such a person posting and being considered a wiz.
while i agree that being raped as a toddler doesnt really count i also dont really give a shit. chainging this rule could only lower the quality of posts and the only benefit there could be would be talking about rape counseling (which i assume few people care about). if you were raped and you still consider yourself a virgin no one can stop you from posting here if you dont tell anyone so why the fuck do you even care?
>>59862>Concepts like "virginity" and "sexual experience" are very ambiguous. There's no explicit definition offered by your precious rules. Does someone brushing against your dick with their ass on the bus counts as sexual? Why not, there were genitals involved? What makes contact sexual? Is it sexual only if both parties consider it sex? At least one? What about virginity? Does blowjob = half virgin? Most people wouldn't consider that you've lost your virginity unless you hit third base.
all discussed in the rules. you should read it. hint: the key word is "intimate"
The mark of a true wizard is being so hideous or otherwise autistic that nobody wants to go near you. It's the ultimate power level.
when you are a kid pedophiles will prey on you no matter how annoying you are, they also have fetishes just like regular normals so you are not even safe if you are fat or ugly, I would say the homosexual pedophiles are exceptionally evil in their ways, if a wizard is raped as a kid by one of these predators it isn't their fault, in fact wizards are more likely to be targeted by such people because we usually have no friends, we're shy, and being praised or shown attention by anyone is probably novel and feels good for us
All three are not wizards by default, mentioning any of those three should be a ban. This is not for debate, you are just one of many losers playing rule lawyer and attempting to undermine wizchan. Its basically a daily ritual for you pathetic normalniggers to push the envelope and ask for sex havers to post here and post about their sex, you newscum should just fuck off back to literally any other site.
>you crabs act like any mention of sex is triggering for you.
WOW YOU MEAN TALKING ABOUT SEX ISN'T LIKED ON WIZCHAN??!?!?!? These fucking newniggers get more bold with each passing day, if we had proper mods you should be instantly perma-banned for making garbage posts like this. Kill yourself you fucking disgusting migrant.
You are an absolute clown, rape isnt sex its rape and unlike succubi men can actually be raped by other men.
Maybe you should fuck off to .co if you are so frustrated and mad about being wizards you absolutely cannot handle anybody mentioning a topic outside of your comfort zone.
>>59883>Its basically a daily ritual for you pathetic normalniggers to push the envelope and ask for sex havers to post here and post about their sex, you newscum should just fuck off back to literally any other site.
Take your meds. >>59881>I made up this ubiquitous definition of what being a truewiz entails on the spot and so you all have to oblige by it.
>>59894>rape isnt sex its rape
You confusing consensual sex, unconsensual sex and sex in general. Wizchan is a safe space from certain discussions just like some cute succubi doing cute things anime avoid male characters altogether (except for little boys) to avoid unnecessary discomfort and for better immersion or self-insert.
Black curtain is black and not red regardless of your attempts to flip it. It's not like Wizchan is some sort of NKVD torturing users to confess about their possible non-virgin status forcing to open up about it. First you destroy concept of virginity, then someone destroy concept of purity, and then wizards would be packed by SWAT as extremists while being labelled with other misleading labels with artificially changed meanings by modern media.
Not only that most people can't remember when they were raped as kid, probably most people here had been raped just the memory is repressed.
that's completely retarded. begone troll
you fucking idiot, that is genuinely true, you can't remember if you were raped as a toddler or very young child those are actual repressed memories. That's why you have to go therapy to know.
>>59915>raped as a toddler
Normalniggers reaching as desperately as they can for any possible argument so they can finally post about having sex on wizchan. You will never be a wizard, kill yourself.
Why are you asking moddess to ban herself?
Don't touch him, you could trigger a repressed memory.
Skip the therapy. Supposed memory retrieval techniques frequently generate false memories, which has been known for ages. Plus, early childhood memories are notoriously unreliable.
Also, just because abuse commonly results in psychological problems does not mean that most psychological problems are the result of abuse. And wizardry is not necessarily a psychological problem.
The only other options are genetic which imply Wizards are inferior, or "defective" and as far as i gather, the non raped wizards are tall, muscular and social guys that just happen to be virgins.
this is a discussion of differing ideologies: should rules be absolutes that must be universally obeyed or should we use rules as guidelines (which gives them some flexibility) to maintain a particular system or ideology?
allowing sexual discussion, even under these circumstances (rape) would be subversive to maintaining the ideology and spirit of the site. in this realm, all sexual discussion (regarding real world encounters) is off the table. wizchan defines itself by its separation from real world sexuality so discussing it in any context would go against the ethos of the site. you shouldn't talk about politics in a golf forum. you shouldn't talk about south park in an anime forum. you shouldn't talk about real world sex in wizchan.
however if (like me) you view rules as guidelines rather than absolutes, then victims (of rape) may be eligible to post and participate in the community. if their beliefs and principles are in line with those of the site, then I would argue the violence done against them should not preclude them from joining the community and participating in discussion. i don't believe we should penalize people for factors outside of their control. if you post within the guidelines of the site then you are neither a disruptive or destructive influence on the culture of the board. but like i said before, this board is dedicated to a very particular human niche, so even though i believe rape victims are eligible to post here, they should still not discuss their real world sexual encounters here. this just isnt the place for that.
in the end, its a personal choice whether you post here in spite of the fact you have sexual experience. some users don't believe you have the right to be here, some do. either way, i don't think you should expect the site owner to change the rules or definitions contained therein. the site rules are intentionally strict to maintain the niche nature of the board. wizchan is a very particular facet of humanity that requires a higher level of gatekeeping that other communities.
I agree. My friend who got abused by a very ugly fat old succubus relative as a teenager (I can assure you she is no males or females dream) and by the strictest definition of the rules he would be barred from posting here though he has practically shut out of society completely.
not like it matters since you made it up
Either rules are absolute, or you don't have any rules at all. Kill yourself.
you are the kind of asshole who would argue batman should be put in jail