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6e26a No.60666[Last 50 Posts]

Why?
How are animated avatars/digital puppets that are literally 2 dimentional in any way 3d?

So can any thing that doesn't in any way violate the rules just be banned because one of the mods personally doesn't like it?
Anime they don't personally like?
Audio they don't personally like?
Drawings they don't personally like?
Literature they don't personally like?
There is no reason here, just arbitrary unpredictable whims that will have a chilling effect on discussion of rule abiding topics.

7d667 No.60667

lol 3Dhurt

cd330 No.60668

>>60666
this sucks wiz.
I think as long as people dont hint to being sims for the succubi there is no problem.
They are no more 3D than normal anime succubi really.

That was one cute thread :( sad it is gone

3aef7 No.60669

>>60666
there is a 3d female behind the 2d avatar and by discussing this subject you are having a discussion about/fawning over a 3d female that uses a 2d avatar

6e26a No.60670

>>60669
By that logic all 2d should be banned because there is a 3d person who in part or in whole created the 2d.
Especially anime, cartoons, and video games.
By your logic they must all be banned.

3aef7 No.60671

>>60670
no because when it's anime or cartoons or video games it is characters in a fantasy land that follow a director or story writer, vtubers are internet whores hiding behind anime avatars to get weeb bux

6e26a No.60672

>>60671
>whores hiding behind anime avatars to get weeb bux
>it is characters in a fantasy land

6e26a No.60673

>>60671
And can't forget about dubs.

3aef7 No.60674

>>60672
>>60673
>when it's anime or cartoons or video games it is characters in a fantasy land that follow a director or story writer
also that person in the op is not even japanese and so wouldnt even belong on jp anyway

cd330 No.60675

I want to see some good arguments in this thread.

Why is there a distinction?

ad735 No.60676

>>60675
Worship of 2d succubi is already quite controversial here as it isn't very wizardly. But at least anime succubi are just characters in a story (usually written by a man), with 3d succubi merely voicing them. With v-tubers it is an actual 3dpd who is hiding behind a 2d avatar. They are not just following lines from a story but actually interacting with the audience, exactly like a streamer succubus would. And as other anon said the shark succubus isn't even japanese.

3d0e6 No.60677

>>60666
I look forward to seeing a list of Wizard approved V-tubers

cd330 No.60678

>>60676
only crabs or monk larpers would hate on people liking 2D succubi.

I see the point of both sides especially the danger of allowing Vtuber discussion that leads to strange obsessive posting about the succubi doing the vocies like K-pop fandom.

It is possible for someone to be a fan of a vtuber without fawning over 3D? so maybe it oculd be simply moderated. I don't watch any of them but if I wanted to get into the fandom I sure as hell would not want to do it by looking at reddit threads or shitchan threads.

6e26a No.60680

>>60678
>>60676
Meanwhile in the actual thread that was locked there was no female worship and it appears to be half people talking about the subject and half people complaining about the thread in the thread.
>>>/jp/37871

3aef7 No.60681

>>60678
>It is possible for someone to be a fan of a vtuber without fawning over 3D?
a vtuber is 3D using an avatar so by worshipping them it is fawning over 3D

>>60680
>there was no female worship
>>>/jp/37880
>"The only ever donation I made was to a vtuber after incredible gameplay because I was really entertained"
Yeah, "incredible gameplay", totally not because it's a girl lol, if you want incredible gameplay there is plenty of it and it doesn't have an anime girl plastered on it with some e-whore doing a voice-over

6e26a No.60682

>>60681
You are being unreasonable and irrational.
Someone saying they like the character isn't equivalent to someone saying they are fawning the person behind the character.
It it was then the two cute anime character threads should be banned by your logic.
Also most v-tubers actually do use 2d avatars most of the time.

3aef7 No.60683

>>60682
>Someone saying they like the character isn't equivalent to someone saying they are fawning the person behind the character.
there is no "character", it is a female behind an avatar, the one reason people like I quoted donate to these "characters" is because they are female and it makes their peepee tingle when their favorite anime larper succubus says their name
>It it was then the two cute anime character threads should be banned by your logic.
an anime character is not a whore behind an avatar looking for donations from lonely men
>Also most v-tubers actually do use 2d avatars most of the time.
don't know what you meant by this

46198 No.60684

>>60683
>an anime character is not a whore behind an avatar looking for donations from lonely men
Instead they sell shit, be it merch, the anime it's self, audios, autographs and the like at conventions, etc.
Different monetization model but it's the same shit dude.
It's still whores getting money from lonely weebs.
There is no real difference in that regard.

3aef7 No.60685

>>60684
>Instead they sell shit
'they' being the studio/production company
>Different monetization model but it's the same shit
The point is posting about the whore monetization model and your favorite e-whore isn't wizardly
>It's still whores getting money from lonely weebs.
voice actors are not whores, they have a real job that pays them a wage and they follow a script/story to play a character. The vtuber crap is literally just some random succubus doing things tons of random succubi do and make money off of except she is using a 2d avatar to trick weebs into thinking it's not the same thing as the other random succubi
>There is no real difference in that regard.
it is completely different if you stop ignoring blatant differences between a voice actor and an e-whore

cd330 No.60686

>>60681
I made the donation because it was incredible gameplay I had never donated once to streamers or even watched them. It was some JP Vtuber on apex legends who played really well.
Why does it have to be a donation because it was a succubus? not everyone is some silly crab you know.
>>60683
>there is no "character"
There is character and the streamer maintains the character with fun little memes about being a shark from atlantis or whatever.
>an anime character is not a whore behind an avatar looking for donations from lonely men
WHy do you just assume so much? why do you just assume that it is only lonely men donating. wouldn't lonely men rather donate to 3DPD instead of an anime succubus character?
>>60685
Ok so you attack Vtubers as if they do not have skills worth anything but this is not true at all.
sounds more like you have a problem with being insecure and projecting it all over everyone else who enjoys the vtuber fandom

7141b No.60687

>>60685
The cope in this post is unreal.
>'they' being the studio/production company
So Hololive is using them as mascots, they are paid a wage and the money they earn goes to the company.
>The point is posting about the whore monetization model and your favorite e-whore isn't wizardly
This point is made in bad faith and doesn't actually attack any real point.
>voice actors are not whores, they have a real job that pays them a wage and they follow a script/story to play a character. The vtuber crap is literally just some random succubus doing things tons of random succubi do and make money off of except she is using a 2d avatar to trick weebs into thinking it's not the same thing as the other random succubi
As said above, the vtubers part of a larger corp would be paid either salary or based on hours worked, idential too VA's. Futhermore, a VA would be paid a bonus to attend cons and the like, which would make them the bigger 3dpd.
>it is completely different if you stop ignoring blatant differences between a voice actor and an e-whore
They are the same.

cd330 No.60688

>>60687
vtubers try not reveal their identity also.

83355 No.60689

vtuber shit is cancer thank you mods.

df683 No.60690

>>60688
If that is true they don't do a very good job of it.

cd330 No.60691

>>60689
you cant handle fans discussing their hobby interest in a single thread?

3aef7 No.60692

>>60691
>fans
simps

3aef7 No.60693

>>60687
>Hololive is using them as mascots
don’t know what that is and don’t care, whatever they are selling is a 3d female behind an avatar no different than a 3d female behind an avatar in a videogame

6e26a No.60694

>>60693
No different from a voice actor, or music artist, or really anything produced in any way that could have human females involved.
After all, someone somewhere could posibly simp for the human female rather then, you know, enjoy the end product without giving a shit about the person behind the production like a normal person. And because that possibility exist, even if no one is actually demonstrating that behavor, then all media must be banned.
At least if we follow your logic to it's conclusion.

af65c No.60695

>>60666
Took a while for you to make this thread. Lmao

babf7 No.60696

>>60695
Less than a day??

3aef7 No.60697

>>60694
>rather then
than*, sorry, I didn't realize I was speaking to an illiterate person, your opinion is invalidated

af65c No.60698

You can say that traditional 2d/anime media is a group of people collaborating to make a product. Beyond their mental and physical contributions, who they are as people, doesn't really matter. Vtubers on the other hand, are people first. They make inputs (body motions, voice) and through AI and some math shit map these inputs to '2d' (moving an anime body, squeaky japanese modulated voice).

The process of these transformations is basic, it doesn't need any hired specialists, no man-hours, it works like a mechanism, like a clock. I don't understand how you can say that vtubing is 2d, you would also have to say that cosplay turns people into the characters, or that wearing a fursuit makes someone into an anthro.

af65c No.60699

There's probably a good answer to this question in Simulacra and Simulations

cd330 No.60700

>>60698
but fawning over the character is fine as it is 2D. It depends on your perspective.

83355 No.60704

>>60691
theres plenty of other places where you can simp on the internet. dozens and dozens of vtuber threads that already currently exist elsewhere yet you feel the need to propagate your cuckery here? no thanks.

3aef7 No.60706

>>60700
it isn't a character, it is a 3D female using an avatar

6e26a No.60707

>>60697
Well now we know who 3aef7 is, that their opinion is totally insincere, and that they are just arguing for arguments sake yet again. And why they are so absurdly irrational and illogical.

3aef7 No.60708

>>60707
Oh look, mutt reveals himself

6e26a No.60709

>>60698
So the size of the production is the thing that maters?
The amount of effort put into the method of animation?

So would something written by a single person be worthy of a ban.
The reading thread deleted since the " process of these transformations is basic" as writing a book doesn't require a full production team?
Liking harry potter is simping for j k rowling by default?

And enjoying/discussing music?
They aren't even 2d, there is little to no "transformation". Should we just assume that any discussion of music is automatically simping for the people who produced it, even when none of the discussion is sexual in nature?
Should Music threads be deleted because someone could potentially simp for the artist? Even if such behavor wasn't observed in the thread?

6e26a No.60710

>>60708
Leave them dogs alone Alaskan.

af65c No.60711

>>60709
You misunderstand, and perhaps I am at fault here. I wanted to use the word 'mapping' in a mathematical sense it means taking things from one group and associating them with things from another group.

The vtuber maps her face onto an anime girl's face, the vtuber's voice is mapped to an anime succubus's voice.

This is the kind of 'transformation' I was talking about in the paragraph. I think at the heart of the matter is a rather complicated question, one that will become increasingly more relevant as society changes. People who are transgender also use exterior means to change who they are and who they look like, except their changes are more permanent, they're not on only during the 9-5 vtube work day.

59ffd No.60717

>>60691
>watching people play video games is a hobby
Not even regular vtuber fans are this retarded.

6e26a No.60751

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Posting a anime avatar failing at the game getting over it isn't in any way shape or form sexual.

No text in the post. Nor any responses that constituted a rule 7 violation. No sexualized content.
The mod has just taken it upon themself to arbitrarily ban v-tubers regardless of context.
Even if the mod consiteres them people, videos or pictures of people that aren't content that is solely intended to arouse, attract or fawn over isn't rule breaking.
So to ban innocent videos that are in no way sexual, meant to arouse, or fawn over for rule 7 is wrong.

6e26a No.60757

>>60751
looks like the mod is deleting asmr and audio role plays content on sight as well.

Told you all this was a slippery slope. It is only a matter of time until the mod arbitrarily bans whatever it is you like.

e5264 No.60758

>>60751
hope she sees this bro

6e26a No.60759

>>60758
I will continue to believe that all the staff are male until actual evidences is presented otherwise.

70110 No.60760

I think it's ridiculous that this kind of stuff is getting banned. What's next, we can't discuss anime because the voice actors are voiced by real succubi? The fact is that an ANIME AVATAR is not 3D (understood to mean IRL) content

3aef7 No.60761

>>60760
an anime avatar is not the same as an anime character, it's not ok to erp with that guy on discord just because he has an anime avatar dude

70110 No.60763

>>60761
anime character:
- played by real succubus
- playing a character
- real identity not at all present
- presented as an anime succubus

VTuber:
- played by a real succubus
- playing a character
- real identity not at all present
- presented as an anime succubus

there is literally no difference except that one is in a show and follows a script, and one streams on youtube and doesn't follow a script.

3aef7 No.60764

>>60763
anime character:
- succubus playing a character
- real identity not at all present
- presented as an anime succubus

VTuber:
- succubus using an avatar
- presented as an anime succubus

>there is literally no difference

there is

83355 No.60765

>>60763
>played by a real succubi.
no anime is (voice acted) the vtuber movements and expressions are all in time depictions of what the 3D whore is doing vs animated.
>playing a character
yeah a shitty character. vtubers have shitty personalities and gimics that are even less interesting then the average actual anime character.
>real identity not present at all
minus the fact when they break character or get doxed and you find out they are fat ugly old succubi and take shits and fart on stream.
>presented as a anime succubi
a vtuber avatar is nothing even similar to a anime character which is written by a author and inside of a plot/ world that exist in a manga or actual anime. its all a shitty larp.

70110 No.60766

>>60765
>>60764
for the sake of argument, let's say you're both right - VTubers STILL do not break rule 7. They are NOT 3D nor is the content SOLELY (or at all) intended to "arouse, attract or fawn over". It does not break the rule by any stretch of any definition.

83355 No.60767

>>60766
its a succubi ebegging and wanting attention. its no different from posting pokimane or some other female twitch thot. you are promoting simp behavior. if that was not the case then they would not stream with a cute anime succubus avatar. it is breaking rules.

3aef7 No.60768

>>60766
it is an attentionwhore so it is 3d garbage

8e6df No.60769

If I wanted 3D succubi so badly I would watch 3D succubi.

83355 No.60770

>>60769
vtubers are 3D succubi so you should be banned.

6e26a No.60771

>>60765
> the vtuber movements and expressions are all in time depictions of what the 3D whore is doing vs animated.
Mo-cap is a method of animation. It is just easier (but gives worse results without a lot of post production) then digi-painting or hand drawing.

One more thing, last I checked anime voice actors put their name in each and every ep/production and proudly associate their real identities with the parts they play, even doing cons in meat space where they directly interact with the fans.
v-tubers for the most part don't do any of that, and usually the only reason their identity is found is because they are doxed or make a mistake.
So them as a real person is even more divorced from the character then a VA in anime.

83355 No.60772

>>60771
because voice acting actually takes talent. instead of just playing minecraft or reaction vids. and you dont interract or donate to actual anime characters. stop playing dumb.

6e26a No.60773

>>60772
>and you dont interract or donate to actual anime characters
Instead you can interact and donate to the actual 3d voice actors both online and at conventions.

The rest of your post is just your ignorant opinion of a art form you don't understand.

83355 No.60774

>>60773
ok simp.

70110 No.60775

>>60774
go back to 4chan

83355 No.60776

>>60775
funny enough there are tons of vtuber threads over there so it sounds like a place more for you.

cd330 No.60777

>>60776
I dont see what the problem is with having vtuber threads.. the peop;e whp "simp" as ou call it are not likely to be on here and would be banned anyway. f you are banning VTubers ban people who jerk off to 3D as well

3aef7 No.60779

>>60777
some tard in the vtuber thread said they actually donated to one of these whores, so yes, they are here

83355 No.60780

>>60777
at this point I would go so far as to say that you are a succubi vtuber yourself just trying to advertise your shit. its mindbogglingly questionable how defensive you are about it and why you feel the need to push it on us.

70110 No.60781

>>60780
having one single thread on the entire site dedicated to a major internet phenomenon that many people enjoy is not "forcing" it on you, stop whining just because you don't like it. and yes, people defend their interests, especially when they are being banned from a site by mods despite it not breaking a single rule

83355 No.60782

>>60781
im not watching your channel or donating to you whore. go prey on some on else.

3aef7 No.60783

>>60780
theyre angry because you called their fav egirl a whore

6e26a No.60784

Adding 83355 to the list of insincere bad faith shitposters.

[-]

6e26a No.60785

It should be noted that the mod isn't just deleateing/banning v-tubers anymore.
They are giving the same treatment to asmr and audio role play content as well.

It is only a matter of time before radio plays and audio books become banned at this rate.

83355 No.60786

>>60785
>muh asmr

you know full well that most that content is sexualized and peddled by thots who are just licking and giving their microphones blowjobs. thats why you dont listen to men who do asmr again clearly rule breaking fake wiz.

83355 No.60787

>>60784
ive had my threads deleted and have been banned for it. and I dont cry about it.

cd330 No.60788

>>60779
And? they mentioned tey enjoyed the gameplay a lot and it was their ownly donation ever.

It could be really sweet to have some vtuber threads here and motivate wizards to have more interests. The only reason you hate on vtubers like Gura so much is because you people are so crabby you cannot handle enjoying anything made by a succubus most likely. The character is what is cool and fun no one care about the 3DPD and if they did they would not belong here. You people project so much omg.. again and again.. you cannot even imagine anyone enjoying cute anime succubus playing game because you are so weirdo creep like towards succubi that you imagine it just has to be sexual like shut up

3aef7 No.60789

>>60788
>they mentioned tey enjoyed the gameplay
right
>It could be really sweet to have some vtuber threads here and motivate wizards to have more interests
yes wizards need a virtual gf to make them do stuff
>The only reason you hate on vtubers like Gura so much is because you people are so crabby you cannot handle enjoying anything made by a succubus
the people that watch vtubers are crabs, therefore its not fit for the site
>The character is what is cool and fun no one care about the 3DPD
wrong
>you cannot even imagine anyone enjoying cute anime succubus playing game because you are so weirdo creep like towards succubi
kill yourself

cd330 No.60800

>>60789
>virtual gf
If someone wanted a virtual gf they would just e date some succubus and not watch a VTuber. Why do you have to be so negative and narrow minded? it is so not fair to make these claims about people who enjoy VTer content just "simping" for the succubus behind the character.. what about just having fun watching it.

6e26a No.60802

>>60800
Arguing in bad faith is kind of the default for the Alaskan.
Odds are he doesn't even care about the topic nor believe anything he is saying and just wants to get a rise out of people.
Ignore him.

609ed No.60803

>>60802
>Odds are he doesn't even care about the topic
odds are he isn't even posting on this topic, but there's your all-mighty "deduction" again

cd330 No.60804

>>60802
You or someone else has said this same thing whenever someone disagrees with the OP on threads a few times.

cd330 No.60805

So what has come from this thread? will we be allowed to discuss cute anime youtubers or not?

2ac6d No.60806

>>60800
Not true at all, a V-tuber is simply an e-gf for weebs, it's the exact same relationships just hiding behind some fake anime avatar, I wish wizchan would be consistent and stop unfairly pandering to weebs, who aren't very wizardly at all, just ban all posting/discussion of succubi full stop, stop allowing worship of 2d succubi in full view of the community, while banning someone for merely mentioning being attracted to 3d succubi, this hypocrisy shows that the concept of wizardry isn't being taken seriously by this community.

cd330 No.60808

>>60806
more like it is your fault for not seeing that 2D and 3D are different. We cant all be homosexuals like yourself most likely and do like anime succubi and will defend this as being totally fine because it very much is.

Some of us do actually worship 2D succubi in a literal sense and that is not against the rules. what do you have against cute adorable kawaii anime succubi?

27ecf No.60810

>zero mod replies ITT
why is this allowed? Mod, defend your actions and quit sockpuppeting as a normal user.

83355 No.60815

>>60805
I think its pretty clear that most users on this site agree with mods that vtuber fags should be banned. the handful of obsessive simps who defend it need to pack up their things and fuck off.

6e26a No.60818

>>60815
>most users
>two guys intentionally arguing in bad faith
>might just be one guy with a computer and cellphone or two computers since their writing style is so similar
Do you think the user base of this site is that small that two posters are in anyway representative of the majority opinion?

27ecf No.60819

>>60815
I don't think that's clear at all. In fact it seems that the mod in question is sockpuppeting heavily in this thread to try and make his abuse of power seem justified. If this is considered 3D then half of /jp/ should be deleted, as well as the fap thread to be consistent.

83355 No.60820


 No.60821

>>60810
I'm still convinced the subject is more than tangentially 3D. I don't mind people posting drawings of the character but I would rather not have discussions about the personality/person behind the character and what they do. Ultimately, if you removed the character from the videos it would just be a regular, albeit possibly 'quirky', female playing games for a male audience for reasons that I think are pretty obvious to most people. The consensus seems about 50/50 and I agree with one side.

c4abb No.60834

I thought this vtuber garbage was only popular with kids anyway.

4782e No.60835

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OP is a crab

There is no other explanation why he would find vtubers entertaining in any other way.

6e26a No.60836

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>>60821
>but I would rather not have discussions about the personality/person behind the character and what they do.
Which no one did and isn't even against the rules if they did.
You are just enforcing your personal preferences without rime or reason in regard to the rules.
Making bad faith arguments based on assumptions and what could be on someone's mind, and doing so without understanding the subject.
To keep on with this aligation, nowhere in the thread that was locked on /jp/ or any of the post deleted on /b/ was there any discusion about the human who plays the character.
Not only that but, despite locking and deleting, and issuing warnings for rule 7, in no way shape or form did any of the content or discussion meet any of the criteria for rule 7. Even if you (nonsencally) classified the charicters as 3d human beings, the post still wouldn't in any way shape or form violate rule 7 ether as written or in spirit.

What makes even less sense is the deletion and unofficial banning of asmr videos, audio dramas, and audio role plays that are again in no way sexual. Post that had no responses, no text, and often just had a generic anime succubus as the thumbnaill.
This is even more arbitrary, nonsensical, and censorious with no rules or even common sentiment on the site against it.
Why?

>Ultimately, if you removed the character from the videos it would just be a regular, albeit possibly 'quirky', female playing games for a male audience

So you are telling me that if you removed the character that a performer is playing as, they are just a normal person.
Shocking.
Did you know that also applies to any other form of performance and character acting?
Or do you honestly really actually think that the meatbag behind the digital puppet isn't playing a character?
The voice, the mannerisms, most of the personality, just about everything about the characters isn't real. It is a performance, a act. While the details are ab hoc and improvisational for each show, the characters are preworked out constructed fictions. Much like a traditional improvised puppet act. You have a predefined character and the performer reacts and improvises based on the situations of the day and feedback from the crowd.
Only in this case the puppet is digital, the town square replaced with the internet, the crowd replace with chat, and the situation of the day something dynamic like messing around in a game.
But the whole thing is a performance. The puppet's character isn't how the performer is in their day to day life.

To use another rather famous streamer who uses a character, there is a streamer who calls himself Doctor Disrespect.
Doc Dis is a performance and the person who plays Doc Dis isn't actually in any way like the character he preforms as while streaming.
And he streams as a 3d meat bag, only he puts on a fake mustache and intentionally bad wig.
Would you declare that any discussion or postings of any video containing him regardless of context is a violation of rule 7?
Despite the lack of sexualized content, comments, or anything else?

So what is the actual issue here?
Is it streaming in general as a format that is the problem.
That the most popular v-tubers tend to be female?
Or is it just assumptions and projections that prejudices the snap decision to ignore the rules ban/censor something which in context broke no rules.

Lets use a example that removes even more character.
What about musical performers who character wise are just a exaggerated form of themselves when preforming. If you applied the same context of how the thread went and how the videos that were deleted were presented, would the fact that the music performer being a 3d meat bag playing themselves be grounds for the same actions?
After all they are 3d females openly, not "hiding" behind a character.
So should/would all discussion or posting such performers be bannable to you since there could be someone who could have a perient interest in the performer. One never expressed or even implied, but a interest that is possible to assume is there.

>The consensus

Has never mattered before and I can guarantee would matter when it isn't convenient to you in the future.
Also 50/50 what?
Also 50/50 is the very opposite of the meaning of the word consensus. It is contentious, not a consensus, and you chose a side arbitrarily based not on the rules but on incorrect assumptions and projections.

af65c No.60837

>>60836
You've made a substantial portion of the posts on the other side of the argument, why are you so driven?

3aef7 No.60838

>>60836
>rime or reason
rhyme*
>aligation
allegation*
>nonsencally
nonsensically
>ab hoc
ad hoc*

>>60837
dojo mutt compensating for his micropeen

1cc2e No.60839

>>60836
Great points but I doubt the mod will respond to them. The wizchan moderation seem to have this idea that engaging in discourse with the userbase is beneath them.

6e26a No.60840

>>60837
>why are you so driven?
Justice, integrity, and fairness are things I value.
When people with authority disregard those values it bothers me.
Especially in a place I use damn near every day.

d0660 No.60841

File: 1633030674672.jpg (11.25 KB, 128x117, 128:117, 1625553053414.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

DISREGARD FEMALES, ACQUIRE MAGIC
Vtubers are real females. Everything they say is being said by them. Not written by a script, not coordinated by a bunch of suits in some Tokyo office, not some dude pretending to be a female, but an actual wom*n being itself. When you talk to a vtuber, you are talking to a fmale. When you idolize a vtuber, you are idolizing a f**le. When you say in a thread "haha vtuber has done this with her feet, so funny" yu are saying "haha this female did this with her feet, so erotic". You are not disregarding them females, you are oogling them. You suck for doing this, you are no different than those retards from Reddit who joined fan clubs for the actress who played Hermione Granger, or those nonces who meme on dying Crimeans with pictures of that female Russian defense minister. You have been psyopped to obsess over a female, and now you are trying to defend her honor as well as your boner on the one site where obsessing over females is verboten, forbidden and not allowed.
>But, but, she's not like the other succubi
yeah because this one is a literal succubi, and you are her incubi. Even sad crabs laugh at you. LMAO

cd330 No.60842

>>60836
Good points, I would really like to see the mods respond to this.

The mods seem to worry that allowing Vtuber discussion will allow crabs to express themselves freely and I say if that happens just ban them. The mods obviously do not care about keeping crabs from posting here because the sex wanters will do everything but mention they want sex and get away with it. I do not even watch Vtubers but when I did I never thought of it like watching some 3D succubus it was just watch a fun character, an anime succubus.

>>60841
>Even sad crabs laugh at you.
Obviously speaking for yourself
>You have been psyopped to obsess over a female,
Is it so radical and controversial to consider that not everyone who sees a succubus is obsessing over them sexually?

1cc2e No.60843

>>60841
Should we ban all fictional characters which are voiced or written by females then?

83355 No.60859

>>60843
vtubers use a face scan of the real 3D succubi and motion capture for movement and are not fictional. these are succubi (pretending) to be anime succubi. how about instead you post male vtubers? but you wont talk or discuss about vtuber men since your a simp right?

a1a41 No.60860

>>60859
>vtubers use a face scan of the real 3D succubi
>and are not fictional
That is just plain incorrect. Like comically incorrect to the point that it shows you have no clue what you are even talking about. You are just making shit up and hurling baseless insults.

83355 No.60861

>>60860
>you are wrong just becuase I say so.
sure. how about you answer my question about why you are not interested in male vtubers then?

a1a41 No.60862

>>60861
Making assumptions again.
I watch It'sAGundam nearly every time he puts out a new video.
But his content is seldom on topic to this site so there is no reason to post that stuff here.

83355 No.60863

>>60862
simps like you are worthless to even talk to. I am done here and voiced my opinion. I think mods should ban vutber simps and hope they do. if not then the quality of this site is just lowered more so but thats not my problem.

9bbaf No.60864

File: 1633141603939.jpg (68.36 KB, 1000x667, 1000:667, parrot 2.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

>>60863
Not him but
>>simp!

d2643 No.60865

Hit me with your best femboy vtubers.

df683 No.60870

>>60865
>Post shit that the mod doesn't like and will delete and ban for regards or rules or context
Read the room dude. Anything that can even be mistaken for being related to vtubers is getting nuked from orbit.

cd330 No.60871

>>60870
not knowing the mods allow Vtuber homosexual VR faggot play but ban anime succubus vtubers just singing.

af65c No.60872

>>60841
no one died in the annexation of crimea

bf342 No.60873

>>60872
Communist lies.

af65c No.60874

>>60873
Bet you believe western media too? The side with the weaker propaganda complex must by necessity stray closer to the truth

80e5c No.60951

2d content is 2d content regardless of secondary arguments about the business model, marketing or differences of production when the content is still 2d.

d977d No.60952

>>60951
Mod is corrupt, he doesn't care. It's why the site is dying. Soon only the modcliquers will be left.

9f727 No.60953

>>60951
This makes sense but I feel like vtubers cross a line with how cringey it is. They are like 2.5-D

cd330 No.60955

>>60953
have you watched them? I have not watched many but the ones I watched from hololive put in effort to be a character and are actually good at the games they play.

Explain why a song sung my a vtuber gets removed but not songs sung by actual succubus?

eaed5 No.60959

>>60955
They are high production value and high effort but they are also crab bait

cd330 No.60960

>>60959
everything involving a female in some step of the production could be called crab bait and even if they are crab bait like you claim it would only lead to crabs being banned.
Crabs prefer twitch thots not anime succubi jerk

83355 No.60966

>>60960
>crabs prefer twitch thots not anime succubi.

uuuuhhhh……no.

cd330 No.60971

>>60966
You disagree? please enlighten me

d2643 No.60972

>>60971
Just go look at wherever there are accounts and see what they use for their profile pictures.

cd330 No.60973

>>60972
No. You made the claim you provide the evidence.
the only people who cry about vtubers being here are those really insecure crabs who secretly want sex anyway.

3aef7 No.60974

>>60973
watching vtuber streamers is no different than watching 3d streamers, the anime avatar just provides the right amount of delusion for the weeb to delude themselves into thinking it is not the same thing

same delusion as kpop fans a while ago "I like it for the music!", yeah right

71ef2 No.60975

>>60974
Wait, so you are saying that you think that totally not sexual streaming should be/is under rule 7?

Also K-pop isn't banned.
That one guy who was spamming k-pop dance videos while having a history of fawning/lusting over them is banned from posting similar material.
(don't know any k-pop bands or whatever so take a Korean black metal band that I know instead as demonstration of it not being banned, I really don't know dick about other countries pop scenes)

But yeah, streaming or talking about streamers isn't banned and I don't know why you think it is.
So arguing that they are just streamers doesn't mean they are the equivalent of 3d porn.

3aef7 No.60976

>>60975
it is 3d females behind an avatar and you are fawning at them, rule 7

cd330 No.60977

>>60976
>it is 3d females behind an avatar and you are fawning at them, rule 7
So having a waifu and saying how much you love her should get you banned?

3aef7 No.60978

>>60977
non sequitor

c17c1 No.60979

>>60978
If fawning over a fictional character is ban-worthy then yes, anyone who talks about having a waifu should be banned.

3aef7 No.60980

>>60979
vtuber is as much of a fictional character as I am when I put a halloween mask on

c17c1 No.60981


71ef2 No.60982

>>60976
>you are fawning at them,

This is totally false.
No one fawned over anything. Ether in the thread discussed or in this thread.
I 100% did not fawn over them. Just made the argument that they shouldn't be banned based on the rules.
Making such a argument is not in any way shape or form a violation of rule 7.

cd330 No.60983

>>60979
There is nothing wrong with having a waifu and it has nothing to do with fawning over females. Having a waifu is much more like having a deity I worship in my case because I pray to her. You are homosexual.

As the other posters have said there was no fawning over these Vtubers we onoy talked about the fandom and shared fun songs.

3aef7 No.60985

>>60982
>No one fawned over anything
Oh right I forgot they just watch succubi playing because they like the level of gameplay and skill that you can’t see anywhere else

83355 No.60988

>>60983
maybe not you specifically but there are simps who do fawn over vtubers. just look into the community at all and you would know this is true. there are tons of porn based on the characters and the millions of dollars of donations from betas wanting attention etc. armpit compilations or audio tapes of them farting and shitting, people also interested in the female behind the character and fantasizing it goes on and on. by having the vtuber garbage here it attracts the toxic crab audience even if you are not a part of that. (which you are but keep lying and denying)

239d2 No.60989

>>60988
There are simps who fawn over characters from Amphibia therefore posting or discussing it should be banned on wizchan.

83355 No.60990

>>60989
vtubers are 3D cartoons and anime are 2D how do you not get the difference?

83355 No.60991

File: 1634750429301.png (12.9 KB, 214x236, 107:118, prooffromthehorsesmouth.png) ImgOps iqdb

>Vtubers are actual people not fictional characters

239d2 No.60992

File: 1634754375022.png (2.26 MB, 2048x1152, 16:9, ClipboardImage.png) ImgOps iqdb

>>60990
So the animation style is the deciding factor here? That hardly seems relevant. Does Maya the Bee deserve to be banned just because she's depicted in a 3DCG style?

239d2 No.60993

>>60991
Wow a nobody from twitter agrees with you. Congratulations.

83355 No.60994

>>60993
and a nobody from wizchan disagrees with me. your point?

83355 No.60995

>>60992
see>>60991
https://twitter.com/outofvtubers

also saying they are a nobody is meaningless since they are a fan of vtubers with over 18k followers saying that.

239d2 No.60997

>>60995
This doesn't even merit a response. A "fan of vtubers" is not the arbiter of reality. I would think that wizchan users would be mature enough to not resort to such fallacious non-arguments.

71ef2 No.60998

>>60988
>there is someone somewhere who fawns over a thing I don't like therefor it should be banned here despite no one here fawning over it
irrational
>>60991
>>60995
>implying cherry-picked twatter is ever relevant to anything
Pathetic

df683 No.61809


80e0b No.61847

The mod is objecting to the topic of the thread which clearly violates the 3d rule as it's all about fawning over 3d succubi, not the anime picture you posted.

df683 No.61848

>>61847
Where?
Where did anyone fawn over anything?
That claim keeps being made but there's no evidence that anyone has ever in the whole history of the site fawned over the 3d voice actors behind the v-tubers.

d2643 No.61854


8e0e1 No.61856

>>61854
A obvious shitpost that doesn't mention v-tubers made 3 days ago?
Is that the best you can do? I wouldn't even call that reaching for straws.

ad735 No.61868

>>61848
There are a billion waifus out there who aren't merely a mascot for a streamer whore. Even then you won't get banned if you were to post some vtuber's avatar in a regular waifu thread, so long as you focus on the artwork and not the streamer. But when you make a thread about vtubers, you may not be explicitly encouraging fawning over 3dpd, you may not even consciously acknowledge it, but we all know it is subtle 3dpd worship. There is no other reason to have such a thread.

df683 No.61869

>>61868
This is simply bad faith in the extreme with no rational bases in reality.
Repeating the same assertion of hidden motive that is based on nothing and ignores all evedence and rationale to the contrary.
People have expressed plainly and directly their motives and thoughts, yet you or people like you repeatedly disregard this and insist you know better what goes on in other people's mind then themselves.

It would be like insisting that the real reason anyone would ever watch anime is because they want to fuck the voice actors, so it should be banned and only manga can be discussed, but live action movies are totally fine.

Discussion of streamers isn't banned. Discussion of female streamers in a non-sexual manor also isn't banned. Discussion of anime succubi isn't banned.
So why should anime characters who are streamers be blanket banned even in totally non-sexualized context?

Personally I just find some of the clips funny and their acts amusing. I have no interest or idea who the people are behind the characters. But people like you insist time and time again that you know better what goes on in my mind then I do as your sole argument.

How about you demonstrate your mind reading powers first, otherwise this argument of secret motives should be disregarded.

843c1 No.61870


3aef7 No.61872

>>61868
this, and any vtuber thread is bound to end up discussing their real life drama, just seeing on other sites people discussing vtubers and getting angry that they have a boyfriend is pretty telling of who the audience is. You might find the mascot cute and the script funny, but if that's it then you are in the minority

>>61869
>Discussion of female streamers in a non-sexual manor also isn't banned
having a vtuber thread would be like having a thread about streamers like pokemane except people pretending they just think her personality is cool and her streams are fun when everyone with half a brain knows exactly who the audience is

8e0e1 No.61876

>>61872
How about you demonstrate your mind reading powers first, otherwise this argument of secret motives should be disregarded.

96e60 No.61888

>>60682
By this same logic you could defend 3D porn by saying you're only fapping to a digitally produced image of a succubus, not the actual succubus.

8e0e1 No.61889

>>61888
That isn't the same logic at all.

d2643 No.61893

>>61889
What about deepfakes or stuff with even more AI?

8e0e1 No.61897

>>61893
What are you actually asking?
Elaborate.

92e30 No.62075

Vtubers, especially Hololive, are quite literally 3D succubi half-heartedly playing up a character and sometimes forgoing said character entirely. Especially the Hololive EN bunch. "Gawr Gura" doesn't even try besides making lazy efforts to be cute, largely carried by her voice and "loli anime" avatar. Those of you who cope that it's "just like anime" neglect the fact that "anime characters" are literally fictional characters. They have a script, a persona, a history, an identity wholly separated from the voice actor and are based entirely in a fictional world. People base little value upon the voice actor at all. When people talk about an anime character, the person behind the voice has absolutely no bearing. When people talk about a Vtuber, the person behind the voice is often the main thing. You often see how Vtubers change over time as they begin to forgo the fake personality they set-up and the "real" them seeps through, which is natural for someone who streams for hours nearly every day. It stops becoming an act. When you fawn over a Vtuber you are fawning over a real succubus somewhere in the real world hiding behind the mask of an anime succubus.

3f0c5 No.62076

>>62075
>Vtubers, especially Hololive, are quite literally 3D succubi
you say this because you are unable to differentiate and project that onto everyone else.
outed yourself

92e30 No.62077

>>62076
You're delusional and are exactly the kind of fool these succubi seek to take advantage of with their "GFE" or parasocial relationship building. This was the kind of shit we all saw coming over 10 years ago even though most saw it as a now very unfunny joke. Self-centred egotistical succubi trying to pass themselves off as anime succubi in order to seduce men. A flimsy mask but you're falling for it.

31ae0 No.62079

>>62075
This is uncannily similar to something I wrote up and then decided not to post, down to the technical use of the word "real".

a5fcf No.62080

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>>62079
Not that guy, but it should be simple common sense. I'm surprised at the amount of debate around this. It's very unambiguous and should not be a contentious issue. A waifu is a made up fictional character, while a vtuber is a 3D succ getting normalfags to fawn over her with a custom anime-like avatar. Simple as that.

Both are certainly created with the point of making as much money as possible (whether by appealing to a mostly casual wide audience, or a very niche but very dedicated tiny one). I think a point that anti-waifufags often miss is that you can always transform a fictional character from her creators' original intentions and adapt her to your own purposes with the power of your imagination. Fan communities have a tendency to transform and evolve characters into something very different from how they are officially portrayed.

And now that I think of it, not all potential waifu characters are created with the main purpose of generating profit, e.g., passionate doujin projects such as Touhou. But even when they are corporate, soulless bourgeois products, there's still a certain art to creating a good waifu requiring great talent and creativity. I still admire a lot of the character designs of Azur Lane and Genshin Impact, despite still looking down on bourgeois gacha mobile games full of micro-transactions.

269d3 No.62102

>>62080
>A waifu is a made up fictional character, while a vtuber is a 3D succ getting normalfags to fawn over her with a custom anime-like avatar. Simple as that.

I would have thought that this is common sense that doesn't even need arguing. I wonder now, because this is such a point of debate, whether or not my assumptions are wrong?

35818 No.62120

>>62080
So something like this totally invalidates every single point of your false narrative then.
Even your speculative ones.

The problem is you don't know anything about what you are talking about.
You just made some snap assumptions and now are being as bad faith and stubborn as humanly possible.
Probably for troll reasons of just enjoying cultivating negative feelings in others.
Or in otherwords you are just a crab who is lying and hating just to make the site worse rather then better.

1d01e No.62121

>>62080
>ah yes here is the perfect image to sit beside my wall of text - MASTERPIECE MODE!

84d32 No.62122

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>>62080
>>62102
Reading through this thread I'm baffled anyone could think otherwise, but it's pretty clear it's just one or two people. I think it's just so obvious that most people who think so haven't bothered replying and the mod has already made the right decision so there isn't really a reason to.
>>62120
People make fan art of titty streamers, what even is your point? It's the same shit, just the next level of it. succubi trying to foster parasocial relationships with lonely men for their cash by being an uwu gamer gurl. What's there even to discuss there besides fawning over how cute and amazing this actual real life succubus is and how you want to give her money? It's worthless, there's nothing there. If you're going to allow one you might as well allow the other.

Doing a cutesy anime voice while you play videogames isn't "playing a character." That isn't a performance, it's a joke and so is anyone who watches this crap. That's not my opinion either, that's the opinion of your "waifu" when she reads your donation message on her headset and has to suppress her disgust so it isn't picked up by the motion capture. I guess they really are actors.

83355 No.62123


a5fcf No.62124

>>62121
I always feel the need to add a pic to posts that are at least of a more medium length. It feels like the minimum of courtesy for having written something that's gonna make some people go "i'm not gonna read all that jfl".

She's saying "Let's sing together". Since the discussion involves waifus, I thought the pic set a related mood.

>>62123
lmao

35818 No.62125

>>62124
>Since the discussion involves waifus
It doesn't actually.
That is another one of your incorrect assumptions.
>>62122
More bad faith mixed with trolling and insults.
How sad your life must be.

1d01e No.62126

>>62125
calling everything a logical fallacy makes you seem like a huge faggot. just letting you know before you strawman me.

49183 No.62127

>>62126
Cringe

d808b No.62129

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>>62080
>I think a point that anti-waifufags often miss is that you can always transform a fictional character from her creators' original intentions and adapt her to your own purposes with the power of your imagination
Isn't that what a lot of vtuber fans do though?, vtuber doujins, fan animations and all that often portray them in ways vastly different from how they act on their streams, I think that at least shows that some of the viewers can and do differentiate between whoever is behind the character and the character itself and the latter can survive on it's own, at least I don't think it's quite that easy to say that there's no character.
>>62122
>It's the same shit, just the next level of it. succubi trying to foster parasocial relationships with lonely men for their cash by being an uwu gamer gurl
That's the case for some of them (Hololive being the biggest offender here),but certainly not all, not only there are male vtubers that aren't aimed at succubi but also there are female ones that are far removed from that GFE shit
>Doing a cutesy anime voice while you play videogames isn't "playing a character."
I wonder about that too, when does something stop being a character?, If we go by SoL anime standards for example, a lot of characters boil down to some cute type of reactions to certain situations and some funny quirks, not much depth there either but they're mostly welcomed on this site's /jp/, think Nichijou for example and most characters boil down to one or two personality traits. You also have to consider that streams are a different medium, you can't have the same same scripted characters that anime does, the same way that improvisational theatre is not the same as normal scripted theatre but both of them have characters.

Let's say that at some point computers become powerful enough to do the same things these succubi are doing now and we have some fully automated vtubers doing the exact same shit, would people here react the same way and accuse others of "simping" for a computer? Or is it the problem that there's a succubus behind the character?, if it's the latter but you don't have a problem with the former then I think you're most likely not willing to accept that people can separate the character portrayed from whoever is playing that character, that's my opinion at least
Lastly I have to say that I agree with not allowing vtuber threads or it's discussion beyong posting pictures and shit, not because I have some problem with them but because most vtuber fans are annoying as hell.

bdf2f No.62134

>>62129
>Isn't that what a lot of vtuber fans do though?
That's more akin to making illustrations and fan fiction of celebrities. They're all fan content of 3D people who're represented by an avatar. It's always inevitable that a fan community will distort and caricature certain features — both remarkable and unremarkable ones — of the characters they fawn over, though the crucial point remains that on the one side there is fawning over a fictional character, and on the other there is fawning over actual 3D person, if even a somewhat idealized version of their complex human self, which is another thing that tends to happen in 3D social relationships. When a BPD succ falls in love with her own delusional idealization of another person, no rational person could ever possibly say that that isn't a form of 3D worship. If celebrities suddenly start donning custom anime avatars that represent them, that suddenly doesn't make fawning over them 2D fawning.

It's all just like when, e.g., redditors, twitterers, and tumblrerers worship celebrities and produce fan content of them. It's still 3D worship, with this case the cute anime avatars being representations of vtubers, i.e., actual 3D people not fundamentally different from actors. If a waifufag fawns over the seiyuu of his waifu he's at that moment engaging in 3D worship.

It'd actually be okay if, hypothetically, some schizoid were to, in his imagination, completely separate a cute anime avatar like that Gawr one (which I do admit is extremely cute) from all its vtuber context and turn it into the physical appearance of their private fictional character. The thing is, that would be a completely solitary act. When that avatar is posted its meaning is that of the 3D vtuber, and not the schizoid's private fictional character, which could never gain any traction given its original, much more popular meaning. So it's not automatically 3D worship to merely admire a nice illustration of a vtuber's avatar, but when you start admiring the actual vtuber herself, e.g., how funny or cute the things she says and does are, then that's 3D worship. (To be honest, I still feel averse to context-free illustrations, e.g., hentai, of them because of their association with the 3D vtuber donning the avatar as a representation of herself.)

4eba7 No.62135

>>62134
You are doing that thing again where you pretend to know what is going on in other people's minds better than them so you can just claim the worst of the people you dislike or want to shit on without any evidence.

All while just insisting on something that is even on the face of it dumb and has already been reasonably argued against over a dozen times in the thread.
Meaning you are just lying and hoping that if you repeat it like a mantra then it will stick.

The funny thing is even if the premise of your idiotic lie was granted it still wouldn't justify a total rule 7 ban as no one has ever on this site has sexualized any of the behind the scenes people of any v-tuber, nor even brought up the v-tube characters as someone to fawn over.
None of the content banned was even remotely sexual in nature. It's context clearly wasn't solely for the purpose of fawning over or sexualizing.
It's also clear the only reason it was banned was because the mod personally doesn't like it.

Streaming isn't banned, anime computer puppets aren't banned, so it makes no sense that someone streaming using a anime computer puppet should automatically be banned, especially falsely for rule 7 when all the comments and context were pg.


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