No.155301[Last 50 Posts]
Many of you despair at the state of the world and modern consumerism society, but I am here to tell you not to fear because the world that you hate so much is about to end.
The truth is that the data coming back very recently, within the past few years or so has confirmed what climate scientists feared when we first found that methane levels were rapidly rising with no discernible cause: the arctic sea ice is melting and releasing trapped methane into the atmosphere.
Now if you don't know what that means, basically methane is like this evil carbon dioxide you hear so much about except a hundred times worse in terms of the amount of global warming it will cause. As the ice melts, two things start to happen that will result in a runaway rapid warming effect that will completely destroy the current peace and cause billions of deaths including the extinction of other species besides humans. The first is that the physical presence of the ice over a large area in the arctic acts like a kind of reflective mirror that helps reflect some of the energy coming in from the sun. With that melted, that light no longer gets reflected and instead absorbs onto the surface somewhere and radiates heat into the atmosphere. The second thing is that pockets of methane that are trapped in the ice shelf will release into the atmosphere. Both ice on land and in the sea contains large amounts of methane and any instability in that ice is game over and the ice has been destabilized. The last time we had a mass extinction, an event where over 95% of all species on earth went extinct, the cause was because of rapid increases in methane from the arctic ice melting. We're already seeing mass extinction happen with estimates of the current rate of extinction at about 1000 times higher than usual.
Most of our climate change models predicted a slow and steady linear increase in temperatures, but that's not what the data show is happening at all. The effects appeared slow and linear for a while, but now we're seeing a sudden acceleration that is corresponding to an exponential increase, not a linear increase in atmospheric methane levels that has been happening for over 10 years now. We fucked up. It's too late now to ever prevent large scale social collapse. There will be famine and drought and war, billions displaced and starving. No doubt there will be a revolution and the current order will fall.
Here is a good paper about this by a scientist who has dedicated his life to studying this issue. I encourage all of you to read it: https://www.lifeworth.com/deepadaptation.pdf
Now what does this mean for the depressed wizard who hates the current world? For me it means that there is hope that you can survive to see a new social order arise out of the ashes of our current society. Assuming you survive anyway. You can safely ignore the concerns of normies now knowing that they are in denial and are just wasting time while they still can. Any plans for the future need to be made with the knowledge that the future will be on fire and the things you rely on society for like food will no longer be guaranteed which makes the concerns of normies trivial and insignificant. We have to figure out how to live in a sustainable way like our ancestors did, assuming that's still possible in the new climate. Do not lose hope wizards, this era of bullshit wageslavery is almost at an end.
>there is hope that you can survive to see a new social order arise out of the ashes of our current society
That would do nothing but make me even sicker then I'll likely be at that time. The fucking idea that people will just start over again and keep going. How dense are we? Do people really think replacing the fuckers at the top with new fuckers would do anything substantial?
Thank you, wiz, I'll check it out. I always love reading climate change papers that predict grim outcomes.
I doubt anything that comes after the collapse will be wizard-friendly! Maybe there's a case to be made, however, that it will be psychologically healthier, since our lives will be more in line with our animal natures.
>basically methane is like this evil carbon dioxide you hear so much about except a hundred times worse in terms of the amount of global warming it will cause.
Stop listening to people whose careers are based around crying wolf 24/7. There's no sense in making yourself neurotic over things that you have very limited control over. Live your life and try to have some fun because eventually you'll be dead.
Nothing's ever happening. Your nightmares are the future.
i browse /r/collapse from time to time for my climate collapse doom porn. it's pretty interesting. I'm too dumb/empty headed to grasp or retain all of the nuances of climate science but it seems these guys are mostly right on the money. there is a very good chance it will all go tits up ecologically by 2030, if not earlier.
a lot of the guys on that sub make allusions about stockpiling a stash of fentanyl or some other opioid for themselves and their family and friends so they can guarantee they die a peaceful death when everything starts to go to shit instead of fighting over the scraps. seems like a good idea.
>>155310>I'm too dumb/empty headed to grasp or retain all of the nuances of climate science but it seems these guys are mostly right on the money. there is a very good chance it will all go tits up ecologically by 2030, if not earlier.
While politicians squabble over whether or not climate change is real, militarie's are stockpiling weapons and are developing tactics for when it creates a tangible effect.
Not just that, but there are defense papers on weaponizing global warming and climate prediction itself.
Military leaders have no constituents to answer to, so they do what they do best: determine the best way to maximize survival while eliminating the enemy
to help clarify what all the climate science has to say about the future, terrorists and criminals will find more employment thanks to climate change and population growth, the effects of resource wars will cause mass migrations which will fuel civil war refugees and criminal operations, those in turn will overburden countries not directly affected by climate change.
I have seen 2 news articles in the last 10 years on the subject… people have no idea how bad things are about to get in the next 20 years.
That argument hinges on the natural phenomenon of global warming and cooling, and does not account for out of control chemical processes. In the absence of climate control systems like glacial ice (not the same as sea ice- which is only "increasing" because of selective sampling since we do not have monitors everywhere and sea surface does not take much change to freeze while glacial ice does).
Cool air circulates around the world Because of temperature differential and the Coriolis effect and is deflected by landmasses. The loss of polar glaciers will reduce thermoregulation and more temperature extremes will occur (seasons will get fucked, hot will get hot, cold will get cold, or hot/cold will switch depending on the area.
Israel is one of the countries that is going to be the most fucked. https://blogs.timesofisrael.com/zionists-israel-will-be-awful-by-2050-and-uninhabitable-by-2100/
>What does it mean to say that the cradle of three major world religions, and the land of hope and promise for Jews, will become nearly intolerable by 2050 and uninhabitable by 2100, when, for instance, my 6-year-old son is — God willing — an old man?
>For anti-Zionists, this will look like poetic justice: Israel will have succeeded in removing or disempowering Palestinian Arabs and establishing a military-technological rightwing Jewish superpower just in time to inherit a desert wasteland no one in their right mind would want. For those Zionists who celebrate the safe refuge and national center Israel has provided for Jews and its amazing cultural and infrastructural accomplishments in creating a largely modern state in 70 years, it will be a tragic blow, a bitter irony.
We will adapt just like we always do.
>>155306>There's no sense in making yourself neurotic over things that you have very limited control over
this doesnt make me neurotic, it makes me happy
'always' being an extremely small timeframe with extremely little significant environmental change.
Anon, humans as a species have been around for a very long time, and we currently occupy almost every environment on the planet. No amount of climate save for the air becoming unbreathable or the atmosphere being erased is gonna kill us all off.
What part of "kill us all off" did you not understand. Our way of life may be radically disturbed, and many millions may die, but the human race as a whole will keep going.
hasnt there been life on earth for around 3.5 billion years? hasnt the sun been completely blocked out before? id say life has been around for quite a while and has gone under massive climate changes
>>155482>hasnt there been life on earth for around 3.5 billion years?
No fam, only about 5000 years, the dino skeletons are satan trying to get you to stray from god by believing in evolution n'sheit :^)
>hasnt the sun been completely blocked out before?
sort of, there were several mass extinction events tied to climate change, usually dealing with global cooling following mass aeration of particles (some theories attribute it to Krakatoa erupting, or the meteor strike in the Yucatan peninsula)
>id say life has been around for quite a while and has gone under massive climate changes
Every time an extinction event happened, there was a dynamic shift in the type of creatures that evolved. Endothermic creatures became more prevalent following the extinction of dinosaurs, and the black plague killed off millions (the latter being only a small scale change).
Global cooling events are distinctly different from global warming events. In a global warming event, the greenhouse effect produces unusually high AVERAGE temperatures (this has happened with other planets where the atmospheric temperature elevated, melted off ice, and in extremes produced more greenhouse gases that trap heat and raise the temperature more)
In a global cooling event, solar radiation is not permitted to enter the atmosphere, so the planet cools. Think of it as the difference in sitting under a shady tree and leaving a baby in a car. The shady tree allows heat to dissipate, but prevents it from reaching you and warming you, while the car traps all the heat and baby is kill. Look into runaway greenhose effect for a better description. Water vapor is a major greenhouse gas, and there is more atmospheric water the warmer an atmosphere is on average. Once you start a warming cycle, the water will start to evaporate and make it 10x worse, that is the reason people are worried about pollution.
The other dynamic of pollution is that it creates holes in the Ozone (where O3 bonds are naturally occurring at high altitudes and block harmful radiation) higher incidents of cancer happen when the ozone is lacking, but some pollutants also create low altitude ozone, which burns the lungs.
On earth, the largest concern with climate change is
which is a localized problem that can propagate into other countries and become a global problem because climate effects the food resources available (drought/crops burning or getting too much water depending on where they are grown), while climate control affects energy use (heating/cooling/transportation), and when it is hotter out, consumption of water by humans and livestock increases, and a growing protein based diet in many developing countries makes this worse. IIRC it takes 300 times more water to get a pound of protein from a cow than from soy beans (This may be inaccurate, but I have not looked into it for years)
cash crops are also heavily water consuming, and people can import food as long as they have water to grow cash crops (which will slowly go away as food belts around the world have a harder time growing food or have increasing populations).
The other part of climate change is >melting polar regions
In addition to being disputed territory with large amounts of fossil fuels reserves (actually a reason to support global warming- at least for short term capital gain)the polar regions help to cool off the globe. the Coriolis effect blows air masses around the world, and warm tropic air blows over the polar regions and cools, creating temperate mid-latitudes. When these systems get disrupted (also can be done with cooling, where ash/particles enter the wind currents and cool the mid regions) the polar regions start to melt, and the more they melt, the less they cool air, which causes them to melt faster, and more solar radiation hits the water which heats it up and causes glacial (very thick) ice to melt faster.
When we think of the amount of water trapped in glaciers, there are estimates of 8 to 12 feet of sea level water trapped inside (3-4m) that would decimate cities around the world. Many coastal cities are within only a few feet above sea level, and some are below it (New Orleans in the southern part of the USA. If the polar glacial ice (not surface Ice which is seasonal and by some reports is increasing and weather rather than climate related)is allowed to melt, you will see mass migrations inland from people who traditionally lived near the sea. Low lying fields will be consumed, and freshwater sources will be tainted with salt (desalination does not make it better, because it increases salinity when the salt is disposed of, which is dangerous to fish stocks/food supplies).
As water temperatures change, you also see migrations of animals, who are trying to get into a more advantageous temperature they are adapted to, which means fisherman (one of the most common jobs around coastal communities) will either have to chase fish to higher latitudes (thereby going into other territories) or they will turn to illegal jobs to be able to buy food. With increases in population and more mouths to feed, getting more fish also depletes stock that will not reproduce and be able to feed people, which creates mass starvation and refugees, and terrorists or criminals who can profit off of people without any food (exchanges of sex for food or human traffikng will become common wile terrorists will use violence to get food etc. the same goes for gangs which are just less ideologically motivated terrorists)
we did this too our selves, and consumers are about to pay the price when mother nature bitch slaps mankind in the face.
>Inb4 muh solar cycles
Solar cycles do play a role, but it is quite negligible unless compounded with other more immediate factors where the sun exacerbates the effects of drought etc.
maybe doom will actually come, but personally i kind of doubt it.
it seems to me that sociopathic self-preservation is the watchword of the upper classes, and ultimately they need the biosphere almost as much as we do.
if it was actually as bad as all this, it would be in their interest to actually do something about it besides just virtue signal or conspire to raise taxes.
The upper classes aren't omniscient and all-powerful. There is also significant rivalry between different factions within the upper classes.
>>155660>if it was actually as bad as all this, it would be in their interest to actually do something about it besides just virtue signal or conspire to raise taxes.
most ultra-rich either don't care or have already given up and LARP in their billion dollar doomsday bunkers
Another fun thing I found out recently is that apparently the world gets most of its food supplies from farms that pump fresh water groundwater reserves to irrigate crops in arid lands. This resource is renewable through rainwater, but apparently it would take thousand and thousands of years to replenish the amount that we've already pumped out, so in practical terms it's non-renewable. Right now there's enough still down there that the pump and drill mentality still reigns supreme, but eventually it's going to run out and we're going to see some fucking mad max shit, especially if by that time we've hit peak oil and it's too late to actually build the sort of infrastructure we would need to implement farming methods that use much less water like aquaponics. Here's an interesting read that was written a few years back about the situation with the US midwest's aquifer. It's even worse now.https://www.nationalgeographic.com/magazine/2016/08/vanishing-midwest-ogallala-aquifer-drought/
You guys wanna play some Space Station 13?
Things like the forest fires in the west and flooding in the midwest and hurricanes in the south and extreme deep freezes in the north that are all happening right now are part of it. Basically there's going to be intensifying localized disasters that will then spread into the areas that don't have disaster because refugees will come. If you think the migrant crisis is bad now, just wait until this shit starts to displace people from their current homes. Water is going to be a big part of it. We really haven't managed fresh water resources well at all and people depend on access to water to live so when it runs out in areas that a shit ton of people live, they're all going to move elsewhere. Technology may or may not provide solutions to these problems fast enough to cope with them in some places, but you can be assured that even if the technology exists, it won't be implemented fast enough to stop some level of mass migration. Sea levels are going to rise steadily no matter what we do and lots of the coastal areas will become submerged. It has already begun and it will slowly and steadily get worse at an ever increasing rate.
migrant crisis isn't a problem nor a crisis as the current countries with the so called prolem want to have more refugees not the other way around otherwise they woudn't have any to begin with, it's a quick fix to a major problem of birth rates and a dying population cause of a degenerate culture.
Fuck, that lifestyle looks super comfy, how would one even begin to do that?
>>156500>This thread is pretty interesting I thought most apocalyptic conspiracies where not based on science/concrete facts but this seems plausible.
The irony is now normies are all saying FUUUUGG ITS HABBENING FASTER THAN WE EGSPEKTED!!!!
Nobody cared until they realized that 30 years is not too far away, and we are starting to see the effects now
I'm so glad the world is gonna end after I'm dead. This book is more interesting than your theory though https://archive.org/details/ChanThomasTheAdamAndEveStoryTheHistoryOfCataclysms1993FullUNCENSORED
Consumerism beats breederism and productivitism any day
Nice read, but it's maybe a bit sensationalized.The Weakening Of Earth's Magnetic Field Has Greatly Accelerated
Earth’s magnetic field is getting significantly weaker, the magnetic north pole is shifting at an accelerating pace, and scientists readily admit that a sudden pole shift could potentially cause “trillions of dollars” in damage. Today, most of us take the protection provided by Earth’s magnetic field completely for granted. It is essentially a colossal force field which surrounds our planet and makes life possible. And even with such protection, a giant solar storm could still potentially hit our planet and completely fry our power grid. But as our magnetic field continues to get weaker and weaker, even much smaller solar storms will have the potential to be cataclysmic. And once the magnetic field gets weak enough, we will be facing much bigger problems. As you will see below, if enough solar radiation starts reaching our planet none of us will survive.
…It’s well established that in modern times, the axial dipole component of Earth’s main magnetic field is decreasing by approximately 5% per century. Recently, scientists using the SWARM satellite announced that their data indicate a decay rate ten times faster, or 5% per decade.https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-04-12/weakening-earths-magnetic-field-has-greatly-accelerated
very sensationalized, check his sources, he's making a lot of uneducated assumptions based on unrelated things and lying by omission
>https://www.livescience.com/48333-magnetic-field-flip-within-100-years.html>While a pole flip could cause a few technical issues, there's no need to panic. Scientists have combed the geological timeline for any evidence of catastrophes that might be related to a magnetic flip. They haven't found any.
There is a LN/manga called Risou no Himo Seikatsu where an MC has time to prepare to move permanently to another world whose technology progression is all over the place, but for the most part is around medieval level. The MC was retarded (surprise, surprise!) in his selection of modern stuff to bring to the new world, but the scenario has fascinated me for ages and I have spent many days on Amazon and home/building supply websites thinking of what I would bring.
This of course evolved into what I would do in the real world where I would buy a ten acre (four hectare) farm and kit it out for the coming apocalypse, or more likely, so I could be a self-sustaining hermit. It's a fun distraction and mental exercise, but sadly it will only remain a fantasy unless I win the lottery or something. If given the chance, I would definitely buy this farm to give my life some purpose, but my concern is if the apocalypse does come, I would not be able to fight off the hoards of normies who think they are entitled to my hard work and preparation.
>>156613>I would not be able to fight off the hoards of normies who think they are entitled to my hard work and preparation.
so? in such a situation might makes right
>The multicentury decline in phytoplankton productivity appears to coincide not only with concurrent long-term warming temperatures; it also shows synchronous variations on decadal time-scales with the large-scale ocean circulation pattern known as the Atlantic Meridional Overturning Circulation, or AMOC. This circulation pattern typically acts to mix layers of the deep ocean with the surface, allowing the exchange of much-needed nutrients on which phytoplankton feed.
Holy shit the correlation they found with the AMOC is fucking terrifying. If this circulation pattern breaks down, who knows what the fuck will happen. Don't worry though, it's only weakening 10 times more than we predicted it would. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_meridional_overturning_circulation
>While climate models predict a weakening of AMOC under global warming scenarios, the magnitude of observed and reconstructed weakening is out of step with model predictions. Observed decline in the period 2004-2014 was a factor of 10 higher than that predicted by climate models participating in Phase 5 of the Coupled Model Intercomparison Project (CMIP5)
One of the things I think about is that if we somehow pull of a technological solution to prevent collapse through the dedication and sweat of generations of people who worried about it, the people who said it was never a problem will just say "Yeah… I told you so" and carry on gloating through life as an insufferable mass until the next crisis. Makes me laugh how disgusting humans are. There is no good outcome.
Do they not have guns in your country or something?
I mean even if they were illegal you can get one (or many) anyway and stash it away just in case.
feels good man, I just hope I'm not disappointed. let the world be thrust into chaos and let everyone who lords over us be cast down
Interesting read. It all seems very plausible, though I personally think that there's no coming back from this after it happens. Humans will be done for one way or the other, but I think this might be the final straw. Instead of stocking up on food and other things for survival, I would suggest buying the required items to commit suicide for when shit hits the fan. It will be hard to stomach using something like a kitchen knife when the time comes.
Does this affect the southern hemisphere as well?
Polar regions melting off have another danger, possible prehistoric viruses for which there's no immunity and are frozen in the ice coming off and killing people by the millions
Nothing massive will happen.
Cannot come soon enough in my opinion.
I wonder if people here will be more or less likely to survive a societal collapse? On one hand, many here are isolated from society, so we would not feel the effects as much as normal people would. But on the other hand, many here are dependant on society, government for benefits, doctors for disabilities, etc.
So what would be the best areas to live by the time shit hits the fan? Not too north of russia (cuz melting polar regions) and south canada?
No one said it's bad.
Depends on circumstances. We don't really know how collapse is going to turn out and collapse of civilization takes couple of centuries.
The assumption that collapse of civilization would be something like a sudden event is a delusion that is widely pervasive. But sadly for people who think everything's suddenly gonna be all collapsing in few years, collapse has historically been a much more of a messy and a complicated process than that. For example, collapse of civilizations usually took hundred years which is long for the individual but not so long if you put the collapse on the timeline of civilization. During collapse there are often small progresses and messy things at between like how the poor benefited during the Roman collapse in welfare. So sadly, your idea of a sudden collapse in 10 years is ahistorical and unrealistic as collapse will be a messy event with drawbacks and small step forwards happening for hundreds of years. It will probably take few more generations for this global industrial society to collapse if it ever does. For people who are living in the western world right now, the poor will suffer more immensely but for the suburbanites, it will take some time until the crisis hits them too.
fucking when we had a massive climate change induced civil collapse in our history?
Plenty of times. Mayan Empire and the Saharan cultures got destroyed thanks to climate change destroying agriculture. It's also hypothesized that the reason human civilization came into existence only in recent years is thanks to relative stability in climate.
If it took them hundreds of years to collapse, maybe it's becase they had a population of like a 1000 people.
Mayan Empire had millions of people living in them and empires like the Roman Empire generally took similar amount of time as them to collapse into oblivion. Also if we assume that their collapse took hundreds of years thanks to their low population rate, wouldn't that mean the global civilization of billions will take longer to disintegrate than 10 years that you implied in your post? Civilizations of millions generally take hundreds of years to collapse as it is a massive and a complicated structure that takes long time to be completely knocked out compared to our lifetime.
You are also forgetting the fact that individual's lifetime is small compared to lifetime of civilizations, which means hundreds of years isn't that long if you look it from the perspective of a bigger picture. It's feels long for the individual only as individual is insignificant compared to the entire lifetime of civilization and events that happen throughout it's lifetime.
You might be thinking examples like Dynasties collapsing in China, but what we are talking about is complete disintegration of society and civilization instead of such changes in a society's emperor for example.
Well why the hell would a respected known professor write about this?>civilization of billions will take longer to disintegrate
I don't know, they had more people to feed, massive wars would be easier to start.
would have* more people to feed
What professer means in this article isn't really that the world is suddenly gonna go away in 10 years as you implied in your post. The pdf of the professer's research is more about how climate disaster and collapse is inevitable rather than about which exact date would the world end. For example, even if disasters and famines begin to occur in 10 years as the pdf says, that still doesn't signify that industrial civilization would completely collapse into nothing just because millions had perished. Massive wars and more people to feed would still be irrelevant as more people means more people and industry would continue to survive even after crisis.
For example, if there's group of 1 million and group of 1 billion and each were hit with climate disasters, there would be more surviving people on the group on side with 1 billion as more people will continue to survive in some way. Even nuclear wars can't suddenly end industrial civilization as only few thousand could rebuild factories in Greenland even if that happens.
The research of the professor shows us that climate disaster and social collapse is inevitable, it isn't really about when would that exactly be completed.
Our civilization that is in a global scale would always have survivors and remnants that could easily rebuild even after the majority of the world is killed so a clean extermination of things like power relations of the past would persist in the form of warlords and states for a long time during collapse.
If its too long to read
Professor doesn't really go over the exact dates as if he was able to see the future in this pdf. He also mostly means the crisis like famines and wars will begin in 10 years but that still doesn't mean that civilization is suddenly over as 10 millions dying would still not magically vaporize capitalism, industrial society and the state. But you are not that wrong on your second point as Romans and Mayan civilization collapsed throughout period of decades even through they had far different culture and populations.
Welp, fine. Shit sucks.
Even the most clumsiest section of world civilization are waking up to the extent of the crisis. But thankfully we will get to see the worst bit later on unless you are poor. If you are rich you are probably gonna be fine for next decades but if you aren't, good luck.
Imgaine being this low-IQ
We will probably adapt. But our civilization would not in the same way how Mayans didn't survive.
It's not really of a conspiracy. People knew and expected about this for decades. But you don't need to worry about it that much if you are rich in a western country as you could move unlike billions of others.
During collapse of civilizations a rogue warlord or the collapsing government would probably confiscate your farm and kill you. One man has no hope in surviving out the collapse in some remote "ideal" refuge. There is no escape to devastation that will reach mankind.
Wouldn't "safe" countries just shut their borders and kill everyone trying to pass?
If you are a rich capitalist it isn't that much of a problem. They would probably welcome you or you could bribe the officials. Super Rich are already planning for doomsday bunkers so they would probably be ahead of the plebs when plebs begin to die off in mass
I wish I get to see the lives so many people got accustomed to get disrupted and crumble away, the more the better; it'd be especially spectacular to witness the moment of complete and utter collapse. This species deserves nothing but complete annihilation.
Sadly you will not see the total collapse. You will instead see capitalists surviving in the few remaining industrialized nations and bunkers while you die while screaming to a random raider.
I don't understand how NZ is safe in a scenario when ocean level rises and anywhere near equator human brains will fucking melt.
People posting this kind of thing seem to forget that heavy machine guns exist.
I'm not trying to sound like a /pol/ invasion here but whitey is going to learn pretty quickly how much he loves refugees when they start screaming to get into his country by the million every day. You're just going to see massive electrical fences, killer drones, and (as I said) heavy machine guns).
Oh new york is going to drown under water with all the degenerate groids?
Oh no. please. don't let it happen. I'll be so sad I die.
It would be closer to a total collapse instead of any organized action as time goes on.
Honestly what you would want to bring is a group of people tied together with a strong religion to enforce loyalty to the group, ingroup vs outgroup sentiment, cooperation between the members and maybe even a sense of destiny. A bunker isn't worth much, can be acquired at any point with enough resources and would be difficult to defend alone, building lasting multi-generational social trust is much harder. You just have to look around how much people are alienated, atomised and how fickle the bound is between them, if they couldn't slave for techno-capital, they would die swiftly, unless they can find someone else to slave for. They are literal domesticated human cattle, but at least cows and bulls can form groups and fend for themselves.
That said the Super Rich (while not all of them) do have group they belong to, and often very old ones dating back from the Middle Ages (old aristocracy/haute bourgeoisie often of some Christian denomination, various Hindu caste and jati, Jews and other minorities like the Parsi or Chinese and former Samurai clans). It wouldn't surprise me that some of dissolution of social bounds were not just an unintended consequence of managerialism and the industrial revolution, but also deliberate attack from the ruling class against the middle and lower class to prevent any kind of collectivisation that would threaten their wealth and more importantly power over society.
I haven't looked into who exactly is buying those bunkers, but it wouldn't surprise me that the Super Rich who own them are mostly people who got rich very recently in the last decades, and because they lack this network to rely on for survival, they have to fall back to individual method. If that's the case, while they have an head start, they aren't in much better position than the rest of humanity.
True in long term but if we are talking about 100 years from now rich people will absolutely be better off than all of us in a massive scale.
God like massive scale. They all are better off us than a massive scale. Actors earn peanuts compared to them. That's only the money part.
>world is finnished
>because climate change that has existed for 1200 years and more
>not because our financial system is designed to implode every 50 years
the average world temperature went up 1 degree in a century, if it did that for 1200 years it would now be 1200 degrees hot
That is not remotely how it works
I know I am being nitpicky. But what this book implies from it's text is quite false. Humans were actually largely uninterrupted from the Toba eruption compared to what pop scientists liked to talk about the le bottleneck theory. Every natural disaster was and will be unable to end the human race itself quickly. It would still be able to destroy the industrial society as it has done in the Americas but a total extinction of the human race would take quite a while.
What do you expect them to do? Lay down and die?
Don’t post that bitch here im sick to death of that green millenarian shit
I think normies have a lot of self-interest in eating and having their cake. They want to squeeze this Earth for all its worth, and yet also have kids and grandkids and pretend there will be something left for them. I mean the Right uses the exact same arguments when it comes to fiscal responsibility.
As Wizards we don't need that doublethink hypocrisy. We can be honest. Yes we are using up the earth. Drinking up all its resources. Pumping billions of gases into a very delicate equilibrium. Nature isn't infinitely free and resilient. Conservationism actually shares a lot of the same logic as conservatism just applied to nature. Upsetting a delicate equilibirum, stewardship, no free lunch, unintended consequences.
Lets just admit that we are wrecking the earth, and that sucks for the kids and grandkids of normies, but largely wont affect our generations of wizards.
As virgins and anti-natalists we have a self-interest in using up as much of the Earth for our pleasure as quickly as possible. Normies have a genetic interest in leaving something for their grandkids, although they often behave as wrecklessly for the future as though there were childfree.
Hellfire is already here. Just look around at this global culture: at these ugly boxes we call buildings, at the brand-worshiping children, at the succubi who are men and men who are succubi, at the utter corruption of politics, at the decay of artistic quality, at the legalistic bloat, the creeping relinquishment of freedoms, the soullessness of everything around us mass-produced, the crisis of various physical and mental obesities, the mind-control through increasingly effective and insidious mass medias. We are burning! The apocalypse slipped in under our noses. This little digital place is like a minuscule island in a sea of magma so small you can only fit one foot on it at a time. What we have now is hell and whatever weather may come to trash it, regardless it will be better than what we have now. So I welcome with open arms all coming catastrophes, blights, and obscenities that might topple that wretched god, economy, so that we may forget our sciences and find again sanity.
Individuals aren't usually supportive of such destructions consciously. But the capitalist industrial society compels all of humanity to take part in destruction like how the titanic crashes down.
Also why should we intentionally use up more resources? The industrial consumerist lifestyle is incredibly degrading for the individual. There is no reason to intentionally waste our lives being selfish and using more resources if we are true egoists. A true egoist who tries to find joy would best gain such by helping others as some studies show. Why do you wish to intentionally leave yourself and others to suffering when you don't need to?>>159653
even the so-called apocalypse will not wipe out the disgusting rotten culture and the remnants of civilization. Historically, such apocalypses failed to truly change the brutal hierarchies and former societies into a completely different way. Only conscious revolutions are able to change anything as we had observed throughout history.
sounds retarded with all of le hypothetical super ai meme
My notion of apocalypse is purely that of civilizational decline, not necessarily accompanied by flashy weather events, nukes or whatever. I perceive a coarsening of the global culture accelerating in pace. This is terminal and should be encouraged, like putting down an injured horse as there is no going back in time. I am not convinced of mighty technology coming to save the day. We have seen in recent centuries how technology has only transmuted work into new forms; yes increased productivity, but with human inefficiencies greedily sucking up the excesses to the detriment of our and our environment's health. People more depressed now, working more than ever despite these supposedly life-easing objects. Perhaps we see in technology a kind of nascent artificial intelligence. Our tools prop up the cadaverous culture, which in turn reproduces tools. A basic survival instinct? In this sense technology has become a competing entity already, not necessarily sharing humanity's interests. A nascent AI already here, like a tumor on us. Slowly sucking our vitals until it splices off the drained husk, fully self-sufficient.
Catastrophe, something drastic, I think is necessary as a catalyst to shake people out of the stupor, a savagery to remind us of technology-obfuscated truths of our condition, paving the way for conscious revolution of sorts. Thus the catastrophe marks the end of the apocalypse.
I guess if you want something done, you have to do it yourself huh?
Personally, I'm really conflicted about the whole thing. Humans, in their essence, are such promising species: as far as we know, we're the only organisms who possess developed sentience, who can, ideally, live their lives more or less rationally and in moderation yet for one reason or another chose not to and now deserve to die because of that.
It's the same as seeing a child savant become a drunkard and lose all of his potential, it's a feeling of both pity and regret for what could have been and disgust and vicarious shame for what they have become.
And, at the end of the day, you can't turn back time: a drunkard shall remain a drunkard and a rotten society shall continue to decay and fester, their deaths will be a gift.
God can't do all the work after all.
why do you think apes aren't sentient? Also wouldn't it be more rational to see sentience as some sort of a arbitrary grouping of certain phenomenons by humans? Every form of "importance" is ultimately relative and created, not essential.
there will be another intelligent species at some point. someone has to be on top of it all
maybe or maybe not. If you define humans and apes as the intelligent species for some reason, Earth lives without them for 99 percent of it's existence.
we need more posters like you
Apes are definitely less sentient. Also it's irrational to assume that just because a thing is relative and created it therefore must be arbitrary.
How are they less sentient? They are able to feel things and perceive objects and react to them. How do you even measure sentience when the way of perceiving objects and reacting to them are all different?
>>159687>as far as we know, we're the only organisms who possess developed sentience
What? No, many mammals are known to be sentient and some even have similar levels of intelligence. Some of the great apes are as smarter than the average nigger. If they were raised as a human, most likely they would be able to speak our language and work jobs. It's only a small subset of humanity that allows humans to pretend that they are great masterminds, while in reality most people are little better than an ape, some less so. If you ask me, it's foolish of us to assume that we are the most intelligent because we chose this path. If we destroy ourselves, can we really say that we have proven to be the greatest species? You might say that it was an accident that we fucked up, but maybe not. Maybe this is inevitable for those who follow the path of industrialism, large societies, agriculture, etc. Personally, I don't believe humans are even the highest mammal. I wonder sometimes if the other mammals like elephants, orangutans, dolphins, have discovered a meaning in nature that we rejected.
"highest" mammal is unironically relative.
That's what I;m saying, basically.
>>159629> but largely wont affect our generations of wizards.
But it affects future wizards
I fucking hate this world, man. Reading this is depressing as fuck
the problem of this world are rich people and they must die
blaming individuals are deluded
I blame the visible cause of all our problems
the invisible cause is the demiurge
You are obviously poor in spirit to obsess over the material so much.
enjoy your ban
enjoy your servitude
I didn't report you for blaming rich people but because you were a refugee scum
You are obvioulsy rich in material to have the luxury to not have to vare about it.
Don't spoil the illusion.
Yup, we're fucked. The methane release from thawing permafrost is way worse than anyone anticipated it would be. This is probably what's causing those mysterious rises in atmospheric methane we've been detecting.
This is it. This is one of the feedback loops that will send up past the point of no return. The arctic is on fire, the Amazon is on fire, both release soot into the air which increases the amount of heat radiated back into the atmosphere, all this heat just makes the forests dry out more and they burn even more. As ice melts, the water on top absorbs sunlight rather than being reflected by the white of the snow. The arctic just keeps getting warmer and warmer, methan levels just keep increasing more and more, stored carbon in forests is released more and more. We've been checkmated already imo.
>>161105>"The sky is falling". Said the 10,000th person in the last 100 years.
Wow, its so unfortunate that all those previous doomsayers throughout history falsely predicted the end of the world therefor discrediting all future doomsayersbutactuallyisrightthistime from really being believed. Oh well, look on the bright side, the world deserves hellfire more now than ever.
we will hear it throught dueling propaganda messages, all of them lies. but within the lies we will induce truth.
Did the other guys have trained scientists from hundreds of different fields doing rigorous scientific studies? Did they have satellites in space that can take precise gravometric readings of ice on Earth? Did they have thousands of bouyes in the ocean constantly monitoring sea levels? Did they have thousands of temperature probes around the world showing the global temperature is rising? No? then why should we think that because those guys were wrong in the past, the guys doing the science now are wrong?
Now the UN is saying that it's too late to do anything about climate change. Of course when the great barrier reef started dying off they should have already known it was too late.
>Unveiling the latest report in Monaco on Wednesday, panel-member Valerie Masson-Delmotte, said: “Climate change is already irreversible due to the heat uptake in the ocean.
>“We can’t go back, whatever we do with our emissions.”
…>Hans-Otto Portner, another IPCC expert, said: “There are large uncertainties about tipping points that may be ahead of us, but for some systems, especially biological evidence in the oceans, we have already evidence that the tipping point has been passed.”
It's called fearmongering and it works every time. Let's see what taxes and shitty policies they're going to implement to make the world ending "manageable". I'm sure it's going to be very expensive, being the world ending and all.>>161138
It's not going to be too late to invent new taxes and garbage bills to charge you out the ass, you can be sure of that part.
Just because the corporate elites (who are responsible for the overwealming majority of carbon emission) want to take advantage of the situation to subjugate the masses even more doesn't mean that climate change isn't real.
Climate change is real AND the elite want the ones who pollute the least to take on the biggest burden, so we're double fucked
if this climate change stuff makes europe a tropical paradise, it is for the better. warmer is better than freezing to death. At least from summer heat you cannot die unless you are sickly or elderly or challenging your luck
winter is just disgusting. I love the snowy and white sceneries but I just cannot stand the cold. I have those coyote fur coats and I still feel cold at times.
Exactly man. The rich need their wageslaving force. So when locals can not produce it, they import it.
it is both a problem and a crisis, but one that affects the working class citizen.
For corporate is one of those short term profit schemes in disregard of ethics and morals that will end up blowing on absolutely everyone's faces, they say its leftism but its actually Randyan at its root.
It is a lie that developed countries are depopulating or don't have enough work offer for their demands, everywhere in the develop world has seen growth in population and increase in labour force, what certain elites want is cheapening the labour force in every field by flooding the market with immigrants willing to work more for less money. What the develop countries lack is a populace willing to work full time for below subsistance levels and that is a crisis for parenthesis guys that also handle the strings of politicians.
They are succeeding, prices are going up, specially rent and homes, salaries are going down, professional competition is trough the roof in the first world but every day they are fighting harder for dog shit wages with no leverage to improve because "hey, take it or Pedro or Abdul will and they are used to being screwed over for pennies"
>>161976>professional competition is trough the roof in the first world
Not only in the first world. I live in Chile and both here and in Argentina and Uruguay is the same, we get flooded with venezuelans, colombians and other foreigners with dubious degrees who work qualified jobs for lower salaries (even lower than the already low ones) and in inhumane conditions and more hours, only destroying us and specially the youth. We have venezoniggers lowering wages even in IT and medicine
i am venezuelan actually, and you are right, everyone here is going there with only their backpacks and no money saved. I see the cost of living there and Chilean wages and honestly they are pretty bad, you pay way too much and earn little, of course people here are literally starving so they go there and won´t care to live with 10 other people in a one bedroom apartment and working for half of what a chilean makes.
There is simply no way anyone can spin it and say its good for chilean economy to receive all the lumpen from our country, absolutely not, even culturally it will wreck you, as many venezuelans are still chavistas and many even not being chavistas still carry all that made Venezuela a shithole in the first place, like viveza criolla, a worldview ehere everyone who is nice to you deserves to be scammed and a disregard for ethics and laws in all aspects of life. Most chavistas and crooks i ever met in this country have fled to Chile , US , Spain or Argentina.
>We have venezoniggers lowering wages even in IT and medicine
thats the shitties part for you i think, that is not just bottom of the barrel jobs, but the professional jobs the middle class depends on for social mobility too.
It's depressing how we in Latin America try to emulate the first world so hard we end up copying all that is shit about it.
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latin american culture is just the absolute worst traits from gringo culture without any of the positives or without any of the institutions that the us have that offset the stupidity, like representative democracy instead of direct.
All the criminals here have a street culture that is imitation of american gangsta shit, same grafiti, same music, clothing and movies and all. Normies from the middle class consume american media 24/7 and imitate everything as a symbol of status.