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 No.156410

Anyone up for a wizard sobriety support thread?

After innumerable embarrassing incidents caused by my drinking which I can get into later I really want to stop now. I'm five days sober so far. I enjoy alcohol too much as it liberates me from any unpleasant emotion I may have and makes me feel great, so once I start I want to keep going until I black out.

Getting a nice buzz and stopping is impossible for me as I fundamentally dislike the world and being me so I have to push the escape to the furthest it can go everytime. Becoming sober isn't about some self-improvement thing for me and I'm not under the illusion that it could make me happier, I still will most likely will end it all at some point but the not knowing what's going to happen everytime I drink can't go on.

I figured I need to use any resources out there to prevent a relapse from happening again, so I looked into AA or various online support communities but I suspect they're going to be full of normies. Feel free to share what made you decide to become sober from drugs or alcohol, how long you've made it and tips for staying sober.

 No.156411

>>156410
> I enjoy alcohol too much as it liberates me from any unpleasant emotion
Why not embrace it ?

 No.156415

I've been sober for 8 months now. I love to drink too. I've done a lot of different drugs and I've done a lot a lot of them!! Hang in there OP it gets easier as you go along. The cravings will always be there my best advice is to find things that occupy your mind and try to keep yourself busy. You'll be too busy doing hobbies or whatever to think about the bottle.

 No.156419

A few things I have heard help are learning good ways of coping with sudden stress, as well as when you are first starting out thinking about situations that would trigger cravings and avoiding such situations until you are farther along in your recovery.

The root of the problem and long term goal in your case is learning non-destructive ways of dealing with negative emotion. If you figure that out then you will not have to worry about self destruction through drink.

 No.156422

greatest way i found to stay sober is not having money. i think that is why alcohol in some countries has a minimum price. but also i hate the taste, so id opt for the strongest and cheapest stuff, to get it over with quick, which is a very negative and gross experience. i wonder if they could ever make synthetic alcohol that gives the feelimgs without causing organ damage, and also being cheap… not likely, but thats probably the only way id get back into it.

 No.156425

>>156422
Ghb, but not cheap or legal.

 No.156431

I've never been drunk.

 No.156479

>>156422

The trouble with this is that it only works so long as you don't have any money. It doesn't deal with any underlying causes and once you have money you will slip back into it again.

The only way I could think this strategy could theoretically work is if you set yourself some very stringent saving goals, practically saving your entire income in pursuit of something of value and defining a specfic amount to put away each month. Then, once you have that thing, setting another thing to aim for immediately. But you would still be exposed to the possibility that you might just run out of things you really want then fuck it just have good time lol.

Of course you could deliberately impoverish yourself but I wouldn't recommend avoiding trying to be happy just to be so poor that you can't drink. If you're already poor and happy with your life, then you have no issue I guess.

 No.156491

>>156479
>The trouble with this is that it only works so long as you don't have any money
>If you're already poor and happy with your life, then you have no issue I guess.
yeah it's not a problem when you're neet without bux

 No.159111

I've been sober for a couple of months now and I don't have much energy. People always say that they have so much energy and feel better when they quit, but it feels like nothing has changed and if anything I'm more tired.

 No.159112

In on this thread.

I’ve been sober since March this year.

About a year ago I started having seizures due to my addiction to alcohol. Plus I’ve done tons of damage to my health via drugs so I’m aiming to be healthy and drug free now.

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 No.159117

I haven't drank at all in the last decade outside of a few times with family or the couple of other people I know outside of them. Haven't bought alcohol since then.

To be honest with you, it came mostly from fear of blowing out my organs since I used to drink all day by myself.

The last time I drank outside of a family gathering was for a "function" and I was abruptly cut off after two drinks while everyone else around me got shitfaced drunk.

That used to happen a lot when I went to bars. Sometimes people would pick fights with me to try and make their girlfriend wet. Hell is other people.

 No.159143

God I wish I was drinking right now.

 No.159144

alcohol is a trash drug all it ever gave me was severe diarrhea man dont know why people like this shit.

 No.159148

Alcohol is so useless. just takes away your sences and makes you do shitty stuff

 No.159302

>>156410
Have you tried drinking heavily one or two times per week? Wouldn't be sobering up or drinking without limits.

 No.159309

Alcohol hasn't done anything for me in a long time, used to be my highlight of the week but it just makes me drowsy and nautious now

 No.159316

Do people here enjoy the taste of alcohol, or just the effect (or both)?

Personally the taste repulses me, and I don't enjoy being drunk.

 No.159317

>>159316
Personally I only enjoy the taste of beer or cider, usually just drink for the effect though.

 No.159319

Used to drink casually for the effect, never liked the taste.
I passed out while throwing up a few years ago, woke up throwing up some hours later and passed out a second time. Spent 1-2 days sick in bed. I haven't been able to drink again after that, the smell of alcohol makes me gag. I guess my brain associated it with a lethal poison.

 No.159320

>>159316
Beer is not too bad, I'd say it's a bit worse than neutral. I wouldn't drink it if it didn't get me drunk though. So yeah, it's for the effects, not the taste for me for sure.

I don't understand what's the point of non-alcoholic beers tbh

 No.159321

>>159316
No, but then again my palate is pretty underdeveloped for an adult thus I'm predisposed to liking sour and sweet tastes most. Since I stopped so much as considering participating in forced normalfag events and occasions I haven't consumed it.
It's definitely more tolerable when it's cold though, lukewarm alcohol of any type makes me feel ill every time I ingest it.

 No.159343

I've been trying to take T breaks because I chain bowls in my vape all day and barely get high but it turns out my impulse control is too shitty. Each day I tell myself that tomorrow for sure I won't use any and each day I end up using it. It's harder because my end goal is to get high, not sober, like maybe if drugs were fucking up my life and shit I would have some motivation to stop, but drugs just make my life bearable and stopping them only makes my existence more miserable.

>>159316
I hate the taste and I only find the effect pleasurable when interacting with people (due to increased confidence/reduced anxiety) which makes it worthless to me as a drug. It also makes me puke almost instantly. Overall I'd rate it 1/10. Shit drug.

 No.159344

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>>156410

Great thread OP.

No Wizards should be alcoholics.

Leave that self destructive shit to Chad and Stacy I say.

Well unless you're a /dep/ Wizard that is and you're actively trying to self destruct using alcohol as your preferred method.

 No.159398

>>156425
you can always get your hands on 1,4-Butanediol which is a precursor to GHB and pretty cheap and "legal".

 No.162533

Patrician thread. I stopped drinking years ago. Now, I regard smoking and drinking degenerate and people who do it despite overwhelming science against it brainless.

 No.162534

Gave up drugs for junk food, it's the same.

 No.162539

>>162533
>patrician
>degenerate
ur so cool

 No.162562

>>156410
My body cannot handle it or I'd go do it. My blood pressure gets waaay too high, my stomach can't handle it either. Fuck dialysis and fuck getting a stroke. I'm too young to get the heart attack so all I'm going to get is renal failure or a stroke and both would lead to suicide.

 No.162586

I don't do any drugs that aren't prescribed (no alcohol, tobacco, etc.) but I have my own addictions, especially over-eating, but that's not the thread topic.

One thing that did help me for a while was looking at how much buying sweets was costing me vs. other things I wanted to buy, and that helped me a lot, for a while. But once I bought what I wanted, I stopped saving and went right back to binge-buying sweets. Like what >>156479 said, though, it's difficult to keep going forever.

I'm reminded of the marshmallow test. Children (like 5 y.o.s) were sat down in front of a marshmallow and told they could have two if they did not eat the marshmallow for five-ish minutes. The ones that were most successful distracted themselves from the marshmallow by covering their face or walking away.

So limiting your exposure to alcohol is a good first step. It's a lot harder to do with sweets because that junk is everywhere, in every checkout aisle, in vending machines… but alcohol usually isn't everywhere. There are floor displays of it, though, so that's a problem.

I don't condemn any wizard that does have a drug addiction, though. Trainspotting helped me see the flip side of the coin:

>I chose not to choose life: I chose something else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who need reasons when you've got heroin? People think it's all about misery and desperation and death and all that shite, which is not to be ignored, but what they forget is the pleasure of it. Otherwise we wouldn't do it. After all, we're not fucking stupid. At least, we're not that fucking stupid. Take the best orgasm you ever had, multiply it by a thousand and you're still nowhere near it. When you're on junk you have only one worry: scoring. When you're off it you are suddenly obliged to worry about all sorts of other shite. Got no money: can't get pished. Got money: drinking too much. Can't get a bird: no chance of a ride. Got a bird: too much hassle. You have to worry about bills, about food, about some football team that never fucking winds, about human relationships and all the things that really don't matter when you've got a sincere and truthful junk habit.


>The only drawback, or at least the principal drawback, is that you have to endure all manner of cunts telling you that:

>>No way would I poison my body with that shite, all they fucking chemicals, no fucking way. [Said while smoking]
>>It's a waste of your life, Rents, poisoning your body with that shite.
>>Every chance you've ever had, you've blown it, stuffing your veins with that filth.
>>Get off that stuff, Rents and get a job. It's not as bad as it looks. While you're here, you don't fancy buying a cooker, do you?

Of course, when the pleasure's no longer there, or diminished so much that the bad outweighs the good, then getting off whatever it is is a good move.

 No.162589

>>162586
>>162586
>I'm reminded of the marshmallow test. Children (like 5 y.o.s) were sat down in front of a marshmallow and told they could have two if they did not eat the marshmallow for five-ish minutes. The ones that were most successful distracted themselves from the marshmallow by covering their face or walking away.
What if the child went by the saying (consciously or not) “a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush”?What if they were raised in an environment where they couldn’t afford to idly wait and hope that there would be more in the future? What if they were unsure the other party was trustworthy to begin with? I’m probably overthinking this but I always thought that “experiment” was very biased and didn’t say much in itself.

 No.162590

>>162589
There have been numerous repeat studies and follow-ups on the original testing groups. The important take-away, though, is this, courtesy Wikipedia:

>A replication attempt with a more diverse sample population, over 10 times larger than the original study, showed only half the effect of the original study. The replication suggested that economic background, rather than willpower, explained the other half.


And as for the marshmallow provider being untrustworthy, courtesy Wikipedia:
>A 2012 study at the University of Rochester (with a smaller N= 28) altered the experiment by dividing children into two groups: one group was given a broken promise before the marshmallow test was conducted (the unreliable tester group), and the second group had a fulfilled promise before their marshmallow test (the reliable tester group). The reliable tester group waited up to four times longer (12 min) than the unreliable tester group for the second marshmallow to appear.

So it's not a perfect test, and there are all sorts of other factors that work into the equation, but I still think separating yourself from your vices works better than not separating.

 No.162863

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 No.162864

Is anyone else thinking of switching to heroin so instead of embarrassing themselves if you drink too much you just end up dying of an overdose, I've heard you can get brain damage if you're found quickly though

 No.162865

>>162586
I binge eat when I'm trying not to drink, I usually end up vomiting it down the toilet and going out to buy alcohol anyway though

 No.162907

use cbd, kratom, or something else to make you relax, those things make me not want to drink, just a small dose though. Im the same way, OP. I love drinking too much and have done really stupid shit while drunk, I cant stand thinking about it. Ive never been to an alcoholics group, id imagine I would hate all of them really hard.

 No.163111

>>159144
Because it's easily available. Also, while I agree it's a trash drug, I'm drunk right now and shit's cash. It's fun while it's in your system…

 No.163312

I like to have a drink from time to time. I like getting a heavy buzz going. Five or six drinks over a two hour period is ideal for me. Anything after this is unpleasant. I don't understand how people can genuinely enjoy being rip roaring drunk. I guess people who carry the alcoholism genes simply process alcohol in a different way.

 No.163313

>>162864
I don't have a drinking problem. And I've never done any real hard drugs. But I'm in my late 20s and heroin is becoming more and more appealing to me by the day.

 No.163327

>>156410
I've been sober for 3 years. Its hard to exaggerate what a huge improvement that small change can make, economically and in health terms. The only drawback would be social, which is obviously not an issue.

 No.163333

>>162907
>kratom
Aside that it seems to be a lottery how good it feels, the few times I used it made me more vomit than my whole drinking career.
That's a good protection from Kratom addiction.

 No.163334

>>162907
Be careful with kratom. The withdrawals fucking suck.

 No.163344

>>163313
I want to at least try it once before I commit suicide, if the high is good enough maybe I'll stay alive for it, alcohol really isn't good enough for me not to want to be dead.

 No.163352

>>163344
Same

I don't want to die not knowing what heroin feels like.

 No.163356

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Alcohol has to be the worst drug possible. It tastes absolutely horrible, makes me stomach hurt and it takes too much effort to actually experience a nice feeling.

 No.163380

>>163356
Yes it really is, is also very expensive

 No.163383

>>163356
> It tastes absolutely horrible,
This so much. I really don't get how so many people drink it. Maybe if you're small enough that one shot can get you decently drunk, but it takes so much for me that it's not worth neding to down so much awful tasting crap for a high that's not even that great.

 No.163384

>>163383
It's an acquired taste.

 No.163388

>>163356
It just makes me feel bad. Even a little bit makes me nervous and gives me a feeling of impending doom like I have been poisoned (duh) and I get a headache pretty quickly. It also ruins my sleep.

 No.163433

>>163352
I take the maybe I'll stay alive for it stuff though, I'd only do it once or a certain amount of times and then kill myself with a lot of it or use something else, because there's a very good chance I'd end up having to sleep on the streets if I kept using it, which I'd hate, panhandling to afford the drug, getting your stuff taken, fear of going to sleep at night etc. Idk if it would be good enough to make that tolerable.

 No.163434

>>163433
I take back*

 No.163435

>>163433
I fantasise about making enough money through different things to be able to have my own place and a constant stream of money coming in to where I can use it all day but that's retarded, I'm not going to do shit, plus if it was that easy to make money everyone would be doing it.

 No.163551

Bought hard liquor for the first time in over a year and really regret it. I was just going to have one glass with ice and then drink beers but the stuff was smoother than any other whisky I've had and I ended up sipping it from the bottle while playing games. Didn't moderate, drank an absurd amount, ended up far too inebriated to enjoy anything and got violently sick before passing out. This morning I found my glasses in my trash can coated in Doritos vomit. I had also purchased $30 of porn at some point. Really hate the mental incontinence of being drunk.

 No.163552

>>163551
how much did you drink wizkid and how quickly?

I've been pretty damn drunk in my life more times than I care to count, even black out drunk. ive never had something like that happen to me.

 No.163554

>>163552
Something like 375ml over an hour and a half or so. Never felt so sick and dumb in my life.

 No.163583

Signed up for reddit just to post in the crippling alcoholism subreddit, either reddit is broken or I'm a retard because I can barely sign in with the needless amount of steps just to get in, nevermind post.

 No.163584

>>163583
Go to a fucking AA meeting instead of reddit for christ sake.

 No.163585

It's hard to quit drugs you've been use to using everyday. I've done some addictive compounds (including meth) But, the only thing I've gotten addicted to was that sweet mary jane. If you find the right buzz for you, it's hard to stop buzzing. Everytime I've tried to quit, I've failed. I wish you luck Wiz. It's a tough thing to deal with, and can become very irritating if you keep failing. Just know that you can always try again.

 No.163586

>>156411
he does embrace it, that's the issue



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