Mental health professionals are largely incompetent. It's extremely unlikely that they can read you and they will probably believe everything you say. You can use this to get any diagnosis or drugs you want because the whole thing is based on self-reporting.
psychiatrists are usually at the bottom of their class in med school and choose psychiatry as a last resort. many psychology majors only get their degree as a backup after washing up out of a more demanding one. they are generally not the brightest of the bunch. but even still, assume they are the cream of the crop academically. they still would not be able to read your mind. the best psychologists can't tell if you're lying better than random chance for example.
people say that the only professionals who can consistently tell if a person is lying are police detectives and the like. but even that is probably bs as well.
This, just be careful you don't let some cluey young psych label you as a liar or an addict. You can avoid this by not being an idiot and not being an addict.
Mental health professionals aren't gods that automatically know what you're thinking.
Its one of those kind of situations where generally you'll only get as good as you give, meaning you'll have to be as honest as possible about your life for them to help you as much as possible.
Also as another poster pointed out not all of them are exactly on the ball intellectually as society makes them out to be, so if you end up with a tard you may have to engage in some doctor shopping until you find the right psychiatrist for you.
Remember these things are a kind of relationship unto themselves, so if you don't find yourself getting along with your doctor or you sense your doctor isn't very interested in your problems ie helping you solve them, then its your right as a human being to go find a new one.
Good luck Wiz.
This is just terrible advice from some permanently labelled schizo, don't follow it unless you are happy to be labelled for life (this will limit you majorly).
If you actually can't function and would like help to not become a wizard this advice is solid.
Psychiatrist advice is invariably "Take these pills and just be yourself"
A psychologist though cant prescribe drugs, just sit and listen
I regularly have therapy sessions with myself in the car, where I drive for about 1 hour and talk to myself about issues. I find this to be very helpful and therapeutic. Probably 100x more valuable than talking to some retarded cunt that is paid to listen to me.
Remember that it is a legal system, not anything resembling actual "medicine".
I actually don't know how people get into this system without being forced into it in some way. Based on my understanding, if you don't have a record, doctors are likely to turn you away unless you wind up in the ER on a psych hold, or you had some sped record. (Sped is death.)
in my case it was more "take these pills and get a job"
>>156996>Can psychiatrist know everything about from conversation with me?
No. I can tell from personal experience that you can get every diagnosis you want. Everything is based on what you will tell the psychiatrist.
Also I had the feeling that all this psychiatrists don't give a shit about you. The reason is they have hundreds of patients everyday. So it is already mass processing. The don't care about you they just want to earn as much money as possible and they do so by prescribing a lot of pills.
Most of the people in this thread are uninformed retards repeating mainstream myths about psychiatry that could be refuted by anyone with a 5-minute Google search. Lets see here, we have your classic:
- Woefully uninformed "depression isn't real" poster, and to a much more absurd extent: the "mental illness isn't real" poster.
- The expected: "psychiatrists are pill-pushing Jews" poster, complete with tin-foil hat. Welcome, /pol/.
- That inflexible schizoid who refuse to take his medication to solve problem B (that results from problem A), because it doesn't also solve problem A. Nice job.
- The black-and-white, smug posters who expect nothing less than perfection and think they've proved that the whole profession is incompetent because their doctors can't wave a magic wand to make them better after one visit.
But of course, these people know far more about medicine than doctors who went to school for 11 years+ (3 year BA, 4 year MD, 4+ year specialty) If only all doctors realized they could just read Wikipedia and diagnose patients without ever meeting them they could have saved hundreds of thousands in debt. You guys should open up a clinic. I'm sure people would clamor to hear your wisdom about the pill-pushing Jews and where to find the best psychiatric drugs that solve all your problems.
It doesn't matter that they went through all that schooling when most of the shit in psychology is based on false principles. Do these doctors run a fucking test to see if you have a chemical imbalance? No, they fucking take your word for it from a questionnaire or their gut feeling.
Mental illness is real, but don't pretend for a second that these people know how to treat it.
>>157194>What is behavior?>What is placebo?>Psychology vs psychiatry?>What is a study?
>>157187>But of course, these people know far more about medicine than doctors who went to school for 11 years+ (3 year BA, 4 year MD, 4+ year specialty)
Appeal to authority.
>If only all doctors realized they could just read Wikipedia and diagnose patients without ever meeting them they could have saved hundreds of thousands in debt. You guys should open up a clinic. I'm sure people would clamor to hear your wisdom about the pill-pushing Jews and where to find the best psychiatric drugs that solve all your problems.
Strawman, ad hominen. etc. etc. Yawn…
fallacist's fallacy. Yawn…
Wait to address the points, anon. You're like a YouTuber who goes to watch a science video and can't concentrate because there's a cat in the video. Guize xD guize xDD thee cat at 2:33. theee cattt xDD
Yes, we see the cat, retard. But what about the video? You didn't watch the video. Maybe pop a Ritalin and try again. This time, without the cat.
>>157188>. I hate what a shitshow it is to try to inform myself on psychiatry.
the problem with asking about psychiatry is that you are asking mentally ill people and what can you expect loonies to tell you about the loonie bin. Is like asking a lardass what he thinks about the gym and eating salads, they´ll feel atacked and get defensive all of a sudden
Black and white smug here, I think modern medicine is a joke. Just because it's better than the lack of medicine doesn't mean shit. It's frequently still incompetent and that shouldn't be ignored to feel good about our progress or whatever.
The people working to improve it are fine, but anyone that goes "its good enough" is a moron.
In trauma care modern medicine is really good. Mental health it's basically making it up as it goes along and is barely better than shaman rituals. We went from electroshock therapy to talking to drugs. We've not so much gone backwards as just tried to keep moving and not moving anywhere useful.
They give you pills that affect your brain without even bothering to scan it, so yeah psychiatry is joke and psychology is even more so >>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Replication_crisis#In_psychology
That analog is both insightful and funny.
i used to have this fear too… actually its disappointing how little they can get about you even if you try your absolute best
Extremely intelligent posts. Therapy was literally designed to placate histronic succubi, and psychology as a field is rather pathetic due to all the self imposed "ethical" contraints imposed upon the "expiriments" they attempt. It will continue to be stagnant until is is boosted by neurology and other actual sciences of the brain.
As it stands now, psychology is primarily a political tool
a good therapist can assume things about you because of your mannerisms and linguistic patterns, but its only that, assumptions, and if they are competent, they'll be able to discern whether they are right or wrong about you. In any case, they'll never judge you if you're completely honest about things (unless you're fantasizing with murder), its their job to know your mind in its entirety. if you want a therapist here's a nice rule of thumb:
if they take 1 to 3 sessions to label you in some pathological way: don't bother with him/her
if they take 1 to 3 sessions to label you, but they explicitly say that they are not sure even when they made some tests on you: they are decent and you should start trusting them
if they take 5 or more sessions to complete a theory of your mind and can back it up with the tests and 2nd opinions (be it books, colleagues, etc): stay with that psychologist and trust him/her with your life.
My therapists mostly just tries to encorage me to exercise and do healthy things. That and eating right and sleeping with a good schedule. We tend to go on long walks during the sessions instead of sitting indoors.
very humanistic approach
>I wonder if I go to psychiatrist and I wont be quite honest to him. What would happen?
Odds are some might be able to tell you're holding back, but not necessary the specifics of what you're holding back. Don't go and talk about your loli waifus but do reveal enough to get your bux.
Went to a shrink. She was a wine mommy. After the 3rd meeting I was like "This bitch doesn't understand me." I want to see another shrink. But my parents were like, she lives close to our house
It's a mix between all of you. I'm on a drug called Wellbutrin that has been helping me push myself to function however I've also been through some useless fucking meds and therapists.
Some therapists will make you feel like absolute shit and not in the "wow I never realized that about myself" way but the "I'm a piece of shit who can't do anything" way.
Therapists are a dime a dozen and they like to prescribe the same type of shit that doesn't work until they prescribe something different that doesn't work. They kept prescribing me antidepressants that did fucking nothing. Wellbutrin is a AD with stimulant properties so it's a bit different however but I had to go through the ringer before trying this.
Some therapists will help and then some will give you meds that don't work for months and when they do they don't fucking do anything while therapists rake up their 500 dollars per visit
nah they're fucking incompetent and don't care about you, only money
I was diagnosed schizophrenia because the doctor thought I had auditory hallucinations after an "interview" and a personality card test, I went along and took the meds
After a while I showed him the sound record and got him to admit that he was ignorant (by asking my relative about the fact himself) and the sound was real, that pos still prescribed me the same meds
(I went there by a relative insisting for the insomnia caused by that sound, I'm fine now after removing the source of that sound)
unless they do any kind of objective testing don't take any drug>>157187
90% of nerve issues most males experience, especially those related to weakness of the nerves (anxiety), is due to excessive masturbation. Go 7 days without it and watch your world suddenly become beautiful. No anxiety, inherent calm, desires to make friends and talk. I've experienced both ends of it, trust me.
NoFap is the worst meme.
I haven't done so in a couple weeks now but when my sex drive is at its peak nofap despite the benefits can quickly turn into pure torture even knowing full well that if I do I'm still going to feel like shit after since I still didn't get any satisfaction but just knocked down the feeling for a while. True nofap is for normal people that are getting at least semi-regular sex (they enjoy anyways, it can be so bad/ugly that it feels as bad as fapping) or people that are asexual anyways where in that case they don't even need to try to go nofap.
Imagine being so pea-brained as to believe that you can reduce the causes of complex psychological states to something like excessive wanking. All of these supposed positive changes could be attributed to a simple psychological placebo caused by the hyped up expectations, like 'your world suddenly becoming beautiful'.
You have to be a seriously deranged masturbator for NoFap to cause any kind of actual meaningful psychological reorganization.
>>160370>You have to be a seriously deranged masturbator for NoFap to cause any kind of actual meaningful psychological reorganization.
Not that I want to advocate nofap, but people who frequent places like wizchan tend to be pretty excessive masturbators.
I think a lot of us don't have friends because we're embarrassed about the state of our life and suspicious that people might pretend to be our friends to exploit us. That's generally why I don't go out of my way to try to make friends, and only give basic courtesy when others initiate interactions with me. I think my nervous smile gives off the impression I'm not comfortable even though I am not outwardly hostile so that people realize to not press too much
>>160348>go on le nofap fourms>90% are relapse posts
my last one totally nailed me but I Think it was just lucky guess he had from previous patients
also as >>160200
says>will make you feel like absolute shit
I dont know why some feel like it beneficial to push you to the brink of collapse while you already feel like shit