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 No.163517[Last 50 Posts]

Ever since I was a kid, I liked nothing else but games. Really, no other interests or passions.

Eventually I tried to branch out, actively searched for other hobbies and interests, but I came to the conclusion that I just really don't like anything.

But for the past few years I didn't like gaming either.

Here's a huge problem and example: World of Warcraft. I've had it installed on my PC for the past 3 weeks. Uninstalled it cause I thought it's garbage and then reinstalled it 3 times. Haven't actually paid for the subscription yet, but I've been contemplating for 3 weeks whether to do it or not. Browsing forums and youtube for reasons not to do it, and for reasons to do it.

Here's the thing though: MMOs were the only thing in life that I ever actually enjoyed for some time and found interesting. Now I don't even have that.

I tried so hard to convince myself to play WoW again. Tried to think of angles, new perspectives on why people play them and why they're NOT pointless. But I couldn't.

Essentially, my brain just doesn't interpret MMOs as worth doing anymore. It all just seems like pixels and numbers that have no meaning and will be reset when the next patch comes.

And yet, I'm in a huge pickle here. I try really hard to get into MMOs again, to enjoy something, but I can't. And I don't like anything else either. So I end up going from game to game, browsing forums for hours a day trying to find something that will fill the void.

As much as games feel pointless, other things in life seem even more boring and pointless to me. And I've tried really hard to find something else to enjoy. All this normal advice that circulates on the internet just doesn't apply to me "take a walk, learn a language, improve yourself, go the gym, listen to music, learn an instrument, learn how to draw, work harder" yada yada it just seems pointless.

 No.163520

>>163517
>I came to the conclusion that I just really don't like anything.

Are you sure about this? There must something stopping you from liking things. Maybe this is just something that you have to get by and within time you will start liking something or perhaps you're afraid of liking things because of shame.
Do you have low self-steem? I

 No.163522

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>>163517
This is a common problem among imageboard users, which is unsurprising, because posting on imageboards seem to correlate with a lifestyle of hedonistic media consumption and a lack of engagement with the real world. In my experience, you won't find anything that is remotely as fun or entertaining as video games in the real world, because games are designed to be interesting and rewarding while real life isn't. MMOs, particularly subscription-based MMOs like WoW, are built around a grindfest model of slowing down progress to encourage players to buy subscriptions. It's not a coincidence that WoW became notorious for ruining people's lives as they would play for 16 hours a day, dropping out of school or work. However, some people are obviously more vulnerable than others. Just as fast food is engineered with scientifically-optimized flavor profiles, specific ratios of fat, sugar and salt to make it tastier than naturally-occurring foods, digital experiences like video games are engineered to engage your reward system in a stimulating, but unnatural way, which can't compete with the rewards that are naturally available in your environment. There are many industries that operate by taking advantage of our biology or neurology, including the advertising and drug businesses, and it's not our fault for living in a consumerist dystopia. If it makes you feel any better, know that pretty much everyone in the developed world is experiencing something like this as we move further into hyper-engaging digital environments and become guinea pigs for corporate manipulation.

The end-result of abusing your reward system is habituation and down-regulation. Long-term hikiNEETs that have done nothing but consume entertainment for years on end report the same problems, not only on wizchan but on every imageboard where they come together: Anhedonia, lack of interest in anything, depression-like symptoms. Everyone gets into this lifestyle expecting it to be fun forever, a permanent vacation from the real world, but inevitably something changes. You can't figure out why, but it's not enjoyable anymore. Things lose their appeal. You find yourself playing less and less, watching less and less. You blame it on the state of the industry, or the new generation. The reality is that you've become habituated; your brain is “fried”. You need to find something else, but your life is now completely empty. You've sacrificed everything in the real world to keep getting your “hits” on schedule, and now those hits no longer provide the same relief and pleasure that they used to. You need them to stave off the negative emotions. You keep doing it because there's nothing else. This is the psychology of all addicts. I'm not saying this is applicable to you specifically, but many people can relate to this story, or at least part of it. I think the key to addiction is in the psychology of the addict, not in a specific substance of behavior being inherently addictive, and from this perspective, media addicts are not that different from conventional drug or alcohol addicts.

Essentially, you've been gorging on superstimuli your whole life and now find that the real world falls short of the artificial experiences that have become your baseline. In my opinion, the solution isn’t to continue looking for ever-more stimulating activities that can replace video games or media, but to change your mindset. The contemporary West is a hedonistic, materialist culture, where most people accept as their core value the maximization of their individual pleasure. Despite the glorification of this lifestyle on imageboards, the reality is that a life spent consuming entertainment is hollow and unsatisfying. The solution lies in a change of core values: Accept that life isn’t fundamentally about fun or entertainment. Learn to live with boredom, and derive a sense of satisfaction from working consistently towards long-term goals and projects. What those goals are, nobody can tell you, but the first step is to detox from all forms of media. Stop treating it like a crutch that you can absent-mindedly retreat into. This is difficult, but in my opinion, it’s the only way to break out of this spiral and live a satisfying life.

 No.163524

>>163517
I had the same problem, played WoW in high school, then went to private servers. Eventually I cultivated hardcore for years in writing. I feel more fulfilled now than ever, I only play adventure and puzzle games these days because they give me that feeling of wonder. I watch anime because it's more like the end goal for me than just entertainment.

What you won't find here is 'why?' 'Why'ing a feeling is always a mistake, it's always more layers of language stacked upon language.

If you fell and skinned your knee you wouldn't say 'why does this hurt so bad?' There's no difference between physical and mental pain. Mental pain is imagined, and since the mind can't tell the difference between imagination and reality, it literally hurts.

People were born to survive, not be happy. The mind evolved around that. Anything you aren't doing for kids/long term brainchildren is a farce. As I got older, I needed to find something that I knew I could never win enough at, but was also easy enough that I felt like I had a chance.

If WoW gave you money and you took it seriously like a pro-gamer, then it would be your satisfaction in life.

I realized after many years of searching myself that I did, in fact, have things I wanted to do. I looked back at my childhood and just followed those dreams. Choosing my pain was what lead me happiness and fulfillment, not in choosing pleasures.

As long as you keep playing the choosing pleasure game you'll always think in pointless terms. When you think in terms of 'what pain do I want?' it's much harder to pick something useless.

Of course, it can be a long climb with lots of questioning and fuck-this moments, it certainly was for me, but that's part of what it takes to go from believing you have nothing to believing you don't need anything.

 No.163530

I feel the exact same way as you. I tried programming but found it wasn't really my thing. I tried modelling, and I'm actually trying to get better at it, but it can be really frustrating sometimes. And finally when it comes to games, I've lost all interest on them. These days I stick to playing Quake, and only Quake. It really says something about the current gaming industry when I'm so bored of new games that I just play old ones because at least those are entertaining.

 No.163549

>>163522
This is a big part of what happened to me and I see no way out. I didn't fall into this lifestyle, I was born into it. There's no option for me to resume a normal life because I never had one in the first place. I never had anything else I wanted to do. While other people were developing basic skills in every part of life and forming social connections, I was fiending after media while my family slowly died off or gave up on me. There is no social infrastructure left to guide me in life and everything is dependent on my own willpower and motivation, things I've never had due to living this way since infancy. In a rare moment of clarity I once managed to initiate a media detox lasting a little over a week, but as I had nothing else to turn to it wasn't built to last

I honestly envy conventional addicts. For the most part they had some kind of life in mind for themselves before they became junkies or alcoholics, and society is willing to accept that they need help to get better, and in some cases maybe even willing to give said help. People like me on the other hand are almost unheard of and where this isn't the case, the default reaction is typically to condescend and isolate us even further. I feel like I'm living on the frontier of social dysfunction. It will be many years before society at large recognizes this problem even exists, let alone has any effective answers to it.

 No.163594

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>>163522

This really says it all. Aside from the MMO addiction (never played a MMO and never will, my poison used to be trophy hunting), I'm exactly the same as the OP and have been meaning to make a thread like this, but haven't had the words or energy for it, just like with everything else in this dreary existence of mine.

>Everyone gets into this lifestyle expecting it to be fun forever, a permanent vacation from the real world, but inevitably something changes.


Yep, pretty much. I always thought I'd be different and somehow escape having to ever experiencing this sort of thing, but nope. Turns out, I'm just like everyone else and just as susceptible to the ravages of anhedonia & all that comes with it.

Anyway, I won't necessarily disagree with the advice you offer at the end, but, in my case, I'm simply fucked. Like the OP, I'm an entirely vacant human being who doesn't like anything. And that's about as literal a statement as I could ever make. There's not and has never been a single notion, aspiration or dream of anything that I'd ever want to do, nor would I ever want to force myself to do. If I didn't force myself to play video games or watch anime, or what have you, then I'd literally just browse the internet, stare at the wall and sleep. As you said, I'm essentially a heroin addict who's completely fried his fucking brain and am lost forever to just jamming the same old needle of mindless modern entertainment into my already blackened veins. Just the thought of loading up a game often makes me queasy with nausea & disinterested fatigue. In some ways, I've long come to hate the hobby, yet I still return to it because it's all I have, or will ever have.

 No.163595

>>163517
>>163522
>Everyone gets into this lifestyle expecting it to be fun forever, a permanent vacation from the real world, but inevitably something changes.

Not really, i got into this life because of the pain of bullying and childhood trauma

The way out is the let go of all expectations for life and serve your most basic bodily needs and spend the rest of the time trying to break your concept of reality.

 No.163597

>>163517
path of exile is an endless pit, and it has the hack and slash of nu-wow while having actual depth in character builds

 No.163779

I'm in same situation, except i've never had an hobby or passion in the first place.i've never been really passionate about anything in life.I played some games, watched some anime or movie but never got into anything to the point where i can truly say i'm experienced in them.I don't know how to even explain this, it's like being an eternal newcomer in everything.Usually people pick up their hobby during childhood but for me it never happened.its difficult starting when you're already an adult, everything feels like a chore to me…even playing games or watching anime/movies because i have to research what to watch first, i spend more time researching if it's actually worth it, than enjoy watching/playing it.


The internet has always seen MMOs as the ultimate escape from life but for me they're boring and overwhelming.How do you even get into this things without having played since day 1.I really envy people that can get all hooked up into MMOs and escape realty.


I just spend time daydreaming in my room and that's it, that's what i do.

 No.163781

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>>163524
>The hard way against warp
>It works sometimes against permanent warp

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>>163517
>Eventually I tried to branch out, actively searched for other hobbies and interests, but I came to the conclusion that I just really don't like anything.
Have you tried doing drugs yet?

 No.165121

>>163783
I smoked weed and ate psychedelic truffles. There was a period of ~1 year in my life where I both had the money and actual access to legal drugs.

Now I have no money, I live in a poor and strict country where I don't know how to find drugs and if I did I'd probably end up in jail.

 No.165122

>>165121
I didn't even know truffles could be psychedelic.

 No.165147

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So many negativity here, kind of feels like I'm on /dep/. Anyway, this "you will eventually burn out bro, trust me escapism and mindlessly consuming media will fry your brain sooner or later" meme should be stopped. This simply isn't true. The problem is within your heads, that is why you can't enjoy anything anymore. Anhedonia is the sweet child of Existential Crisis and Depression. The problem lies in you guys, you need to set things straight first within yourselves. I recommend doing nothing besides sleeping for several days, you will eventually get bored of it and will want to do something fun and pleasurable. Also, I think OCD or over-stressing things can be a reason for why you feel like everything that was fun before is a chore now. I had this too, I didn't bother with escapism or consuming any kind of media besides music because I was always worried whether I would be able to enjoy it or not. Over-thinking is a huge joy-killer. Just roll with it, go with the flow. Start watching a movie that is even remotely interesting to you instead of researching things about said movie and wondering whether it will be worth your time or not. Seriously. Less thinking, more watching, reading, playing, consuming! Contrary to what some people wrote in this thread there is nothing wrong with hedonism and seeking pleasure after pleasure. Evolution, survival, taking part in the real world…who cares about that crap? Do you want to have fun or not? It is literally that simple. I had anhedonia too but it went away as soon as I came to the realization that feeling good is all that matters. You have to sometimes force yourself to enjoy things but it will get easier as you go along. Just start consuming media again.

>>163595
>The way out is the let go of all expectations for life and serve your most basic bodily needs and spend the rest of the time trying to break your concept of reality.
Beautifully written.

 No.165149

>>165147
>I came to the realization that feeling good is all that matters

you should go back to reddit

 No.165150

>>165149
I'd kill you with my bare hands if you were in front of me and I knew youwere the author of this post.

 No.165151

>>165150 meant for this fuckhead >>165147

 No.165152

>>165149
Make an argument any time.

 No.165153

>>165150
>>165151
shit man you scared me for a second.

 No.165154

>>165152
>>165147
Well im going one by one.
>The problem is within your heads, that is why you can't enjoy anything anymore
well duh
>I recommend doing nothing besides sleeping for several days, you will eventually get bored of it and will want to do something fun and pleasurable
why? because dude trust me.
>Seriously. Less thinking, more watching, reading, playing, consuming! Contrary to what some people wrote in this thread there is nothing wrong with hedonism and seeking pleasure after pleasure. Evolution, survival, taking part in the real world…who cares about that crap? Do you want to have fun or not? It is literally that simple
ok wtf kind of advice is this shit. you are literally telling people to keep seeking random pleasure in mindless shit like playing or watching anime, things that they probably did before and its not going to change shit. a mental ilness is not that simple shit of telling somebody to change and fixed. is like telling me the cure of depression is just going out dude trust me. fuck off if you want to cure anhedonia you need to get therapy and start looking in to your behaviour. I wish i could say something helpful but im not going to for the normie sake of it, sorry for the shitty english guys.

 No.165155

>>165154
You can’t try and defeat an argument with a “dude trust me” and then claim to also know the solution because “dude trust me”

 No.165156

>>165155
>I wish i could say something helpful but im not going to for the normie sake of it

its the whole fucking post. saying random shit that worked for you but that maybe horrible for other people. is all bro trust me bullshit.

 No.165157

>>165155
and I dont know the solution thats why i shut my fucking mouth before talking about shit I dont know like that.

 No.165165

>>165147
based and redpilled
sadly I have to acquire currency first before living this life

 No.165174


 No.165187

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>>165149
Not every wizard is a masochistic freak who likes to dwell in misery, Sorry, I guess.
>>165154
>why? because dude trust me.
Because after a while people simply get bored of doing nothing. We are on this world to feel good, you won't have such a great time sleeping and watching the 4 walls all day. "Escapism" gives us the necessary rush but it doesn't require us to interact with the real world. Consuming media is THE WAY toward happiness.
>you are literally telling people to keep seeking random pleasure in mindless shit like playing or watching anime, things that they probably did before and its not going to change shit.
They probably didn't play every single game or didn't watch every anime. There is an unlimited amount of "escapism" available to us thanks to the Internet, we shouldn't waste our chances of engaging in more and more kinds of it. You don't realize how lucky our generation is. And what "change" are you talking about? Hehe, you want to norm it up secretly or what?
>a mental ilness is not that simple shit of telling somebody to change and fixed
Actually, it is. Most things depend on your perspective. You can sit around and whine about how boring everything is or you can try to enjoy something like reasonable people do.
>>165165
Wish the best for you. NEET it up as soon as you can and lose yourself in mindless media consuming, wizbro.

 No.165191

>>165187
Fuck this tells me how lucky you are to never have experience the amount of anxiety and stress i had in the past. but thanks to your advice is all my fault for not consuming enough media. thanks wizbro depression is just a meme tomorrow I hit the gym.

 No.165192

>>165187
thanks wizbro i'll just watch more anime

 No.165260

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>>165187
I'm going cycling for a bit to mull over what you said…

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>>165191
I'm not saying that I have never experienced stress or things like that in the past. But why care about it? You are here in the now, not in the past. Enjoy yourself.
>depression is just a meme tomorrow I hit the gym
Nice try but I'm not giving advice to "norm it up", just about how to have fun. For people like us consuming media is the best option.

>>165192
>>165260
Correct attitude.

 No.165334

>>165187
>pavlovian response
Wizard≠failed normalfag
Only normalfags mindlessly obsessed with "feeling good"
And whining about "muh negativity" is telltale sign of roastie, tranny or soyboy.

 No.165335

>>165187
Obsession with consumerism is normalfaggiest thing you can do.
>Actually, it is. Most things depend on your perspective. You can sit around and whine about how boring everything is or you can try to enjoy something like reasonable people do.
Ah yes, just bee urself bro!

 No.165336

>>165187
>simplenton thinks everything is simple
Colour me surprised.

 No.165337

>>165147
>>165187
>>165298
>passive agressive tone
Are you homosexual?

 No.165345

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>>165334
Ah yes, I always forget that this site went at some point from being a chan for male virgins and hermits to a site for losers and masochists. Now you can only post here if you are a #truewizard, meaning you hate everything, including yourself, suffer from anhedonia or in just general you are a bitter person. Thanks for reminding me, truewiz.
>>165335
>Obsession with consumerism is normalfaggiest thing you can do.
Objectively not.
>Ah yes, just bee urself bro!
Great counter-argument.
>>165336
Masochistic people like to complicate things unnecessarily. Sometimes things are really as simple as they seem to be.
>>165337
You can see others as passive aggressive when they say things you don't agree with but can't argue with them either.

 No.165348

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>>165345
>that prideful tone
>that lack of arguements
>gaslighting
>attentionwhoring
Back to the discord you go, faggot

 No.165349

>>165345
>Sometimes things are really as simple as they seem to be.
Like your mind and personality, for example.

 No.165350

>>165345
>Objectively not.
Not an arguement.

 No.165351

>>165345
>being this bitter
Looks like consoomerism is not making you happy as you claim.

 No.165352

>>165345
>meaning you hate everything, including yourself, suffer from anhedonia or in just general you are a bitter person.
Projection?

 No.165353

>>165345
Simple minded people like to simplify things unnecessarily.

 No.165357

>>165345
>being this arrogant
Wizchan is not for you.

 No.165378

>>165348
>>165349
>>165350
>>165351
>>165352
>>165353
>sameposting this openly

>>165357
I'm a male virgin and have no friends. I believe wizchan is fully for people like me.

 No.165381

>>163595
Same. Honestly, I've been focused on the internet since I was a kid. Real life was absolute shit, but at least on the internet I felt some sort of fulfillment. It was a conscious split, I felt like two different people depending on whether I was online or not. Eventually everyone started trying to merge the internet with real life and everything went to shit.

 No.165383

>>165351
I hate this dumb meme. Not that it's wrong per se but that the retards posting it think they're being clever. It's almost as bad as "taking the red pill"

 No.165389

>>165378
>male
You behave way too feminine to be male.
Also, taking internet fights seriously is very unwizardly thing to do.

 No.165391

>>165389
Oh, I don't even know where to start…Firstly, using "feminine" as an insult - are you serious? If you told others that you were a virgin you would be considered to be "feminine" by almost everyone. You sound like a try-hard wannabe alpha male, I hope you are aware of that. You shouldn't put too much emphasis on masculinity and femininity otherwise people will think you have some sort of complex or you are trying to compensate for something. Just a friendly advice.
Second, not everything you disagree with is feminine. Third, let's say you are right and I am feminine - so what? No argument against anything I said. And finally
>Also, taking internet fights seriously is very unwizardly thing to do.
Ah, so you were just trolling, ok.

 No.165413

>>165391
>If you told others that you were a virgin you would be considered to be "feminine" by almost everyone.
Appeal to majority fallacy, this is logic of normalfag, you are failed normalfag
Very unwizardly of you.
>You sound like a try-hard wannabe alpha male
To you.
>You shouldn't put too much emphasis on masculinity and femininity otherwise people will think you have some sort of complex or you are trying to compensate for something and there no need to project your views onto others, world doesn't revolve around you.
I don't care about opinions of normgroids
>not everything you disagree with is feminine
Just like not everything you disagree with, is "negativity", "try-hard wannabe alpha male", "no arguement against anything i said" or "trolling"

 No.165415

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>>165413
>Appeal to majority fallacy, this is logic of normalfag
It isn't a fallacy, I didn't argue about your masculinity but how others would consider you if they knew you were a male virgin. Just wanted you to realize that masculine and feminine are useless, empty words at the end of the day as it is very much relative what is feminine and masculine.
>To you.
It is true though, you are trying to compensate for something by proving how much of man you are to a stranger on an anonymous image board.
>I don't care about opinions of normgroids
Apparently you do, otherwise you wouldn't use "normgroid" terms like feminine and masculine.
>"negativity"
You had a problem with me preaching a positive mind-set and attitude so yeah, you are objectively negative.
> "no arguement against anything i said"
You are the one calling the other "failed normalfag", "succubus", "feminine" and "gay" instead of elaborating your own view on the matter and why you think I am wrong. So it is natural for me to think that you are just trolling.

 No.165417

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>>165415
Thank you for standing up against the blatant neo4chan/social media outrage culture posters such as >>165174 >>165334 >>165348 >>165351
According to such people, being productive, i.e. producing nice things for others to consume is the highest virtue, yet consuming those things is something to be ashamed of. They're one step away from the mask slipping and saying the "objective" purpose of life is working to produce many aryan babies.

 No.165420

>>165417
I honestly have no idea what they are trying to prove. That going out drinking with the bros is more wizardly than watching anime alone in your room? Or that suffering for no reason makes you a better wizard than someone who is enjoying his life? If I could get some coherent answers from them instead of childish insults then maybe I could understand them.

But yes, it is more likely that they are just r9k/pol tourists who somehow ended up here. By the way, nice pic.

 No.165438

>>165420
By the way they type that's what it seems but I don't pay any attention to people so deep in mind control that they don't even realize it. It's the equivalent of image board spam/noise to me because they're everywhere. It's to be expected that they like everyone else just ends up pooled in various image boards still kicking.

 No.165440

>>165420
>>165415
>>165417
yeah sure guys keep trying to live a shitty hedonistic lifestyle about enjoying yourself all the time. whats next? you want to take drugs because they are fun. sure do that. whats next? you want to have sex now?. oohh looks like you cant. well see you in /dep/ now.

 No.165441

>>165440
This it the problem most wizzies end up because of bad advice like "just consume more media" one day you realize how pointless that was and want to end your life. instead what about doing things meaningful for you? sounds better in the longrun.

 No.165444

>>165440
Why associate anime or videogames with drugs and sex? They're both completely different. Not all anime fans or gamers are drug addicts.

>>165441
What meaningful things? I hope it's not what this person said.
>>165417

 No.165446

>>165441
there are people who don't do anything 'meaningful' (w/e that means) and don't suffer from depression or anhedonia and there are so-called 'successful' people who do and they sometimes end up killing themselves. I'm fucking tired of this shaming of anyone skeptical of your advice

 No.165450

>>165444
>Why associate anime or videogames with drugs and sex? They're both completely different. Not all anime fans or gamers are drug addicts
because just like drugs. anime and videogames give you that short dopamine release that we are so fucking addicted to (like normies) and this kind of mentality in mind makes it worse to the point you just become a living zombie that cant enjoy shit anymore.

 No.165451

>>165446
Having something in your life that gives you a meaning or something to look forward too is important because there is no meaning to life. is the reason 99% of humans make kids, rich people killing themselves is not a good excuse to not having any goal. what goal? whatever you come up with is all the same shit just yo make you sane until you die.

 No.165452

>>165446
>shaming of anyone skeptical of your advice
I dont want people to take bad advice like "consume media" and become more empty inside thats all.

 No.165453

>>165441
>>165446
>>165451
>>165452
There is no meaning to be found. It's extremely obvious: 'the meaning of life' is a constant meme throughout culture as having no answer. You're just a fucking animal out of 7 billion of the same, on a space rock.
People that are motivated by a sense of meaning are invariably in a precarious state of delusion that eventually falls apart.
The only way forward is to accept and embrace that there is no meaning. It doesnt matter what you do, and that is freeing. Let go of these cultural clusterfucks that were drilled into your mind by your society.

You don't even know what you're talking when you say to do something "meaningful", you're just mindlessly regurgitating some bullshit you heard someone else.

If you get bored of consuming media or playing games then just try something else, it has nothing to do with "meaning"

 No.165454

>>165453
>you're just mindlessly regurgitating some bullshit you heard someone else.

You realize you're doing the exact same thing though right? Language and culture is way trickier than you seem to assume.

 No.165455

>>165454
Culture is our operating system, but you can wipe out a lot of errors and get a framework that is much more efficient

 No.165456

>>165451
Holy shit, I'm so tired of these nihilistic teens shilling peterson.
>Having something in your life that gives you a meaning or something to look forward too is important because there is no meaning to life.
This statement is so flawed. No meaning, so you HAVE to come up with your own one? Okay then, my meaning will be to consume as much media as possible in my lifetime. "Waah, that's not a good goal, you MUST come up with one that I approve of!" Yeah, whatever, you don't know me. Every human is wired differently, if not uniquely. Their reward system may be really accommodated to endless escapism, you never know.
And what does it mean, "important"? "Having a meaning is important because there is no meaning"… Huh??? What kind of backwards logic is that? So, unless you know what kind of cog you are in the system, you won't be happy? That's so dumb. Countless normalfags live happy lives not even bothering to think about these things, so why should I?
>>165452
Being empty isn't bad. A bowl wouldn't be useful if it wasn't empty. Having a "fulfilling" life makes it harder to detach yourself from reality and embrace escapism, so I'll stay empty, thank you very much.
>>165450
Mentality. Uh-huh. You know, you can mix up your life doing something else besides those things. Meditating or staring at the ceiling doesn't produce dopamine, so you can include them in your schedule. If you make pauses between escapism sessions you won't ever get bored.
>>165441
>Ending your life is bad
Opinion discarded, lmao. No, seriously. I could debate the morality of suicide but it's already been discussed to death on wizchan. You guys are stuck in your value systems. Try broadening your horizons by visiting /dep/.
What's with all the replies in this thread? "You shouldn't mindlessly consume media like a normalfag, so you should do things that normalfags consider meaningful, like a normalfag". Make up your damn minds.
>>165453
You make some good points, but fall into the same trap as the other posters. "These ways of living are bad, the one I propose is the true way forward." Forward to where? Enlightenment? Bliss? Again, if you dig deeper you'll find out it's just another race to some vague goal. And like I said earlier, some people just don't think about these thing and lead happy lives. And there are some people who follow their goal and their "delusion" never comes close to falling apart. Maybe they're that motivated, or have high enough self-esteem, or the odds are in their favour and they never experience events that make them doubt their goal in life.

 No.165457

>>165456
>You make some good points, but fall into the same trap as the other posters. "These ways of living are bad, the one I propose is the true way forward." Forward to where?
People are complaining here for some reason. They are trying to solve something

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>>165454
don't reply to those retards, if they're not trolls then they're unprincipled privileged pricks who think everyone's life can be just as good as theirs.
They're pretty much normalfags with that mindset of 'just do this and do that and your life will be good'. Mods should have banned them for acting like pretentious pricks who erroneously think can solve people's problems with their unintelligent posts.
Most probably all that shitty media they spent years feeding their then already degenerated brains have culminated its work of frying whatever gray matter was left in them so logic will always be lost in them.

 No.165459

>>165458
>person explains how they experience an unpleasant mental thing
>people try to offer help
oh no

 No.165461

>>165456
consuming as much media as possible in a lifetime is not showing to be a good goal already. same way killing and raping people are not good goals unless you like prison time. wonder how many wizards and neets are happy about this crap of just escapism until they die old knowing they did nothing more. it sounds like normie shit but its the fucking truth 99% of humans in history gave their lifes some kind of meaning for a reason. but of course you are a special being. you could also stop getting stimuli after all you only need to eat and sleep to survive. but that is not okay for you amrite? wonder why tho.

 No.165469

>arguments don't provide any "meaningful things" to replace anime that isn't about making aryan babies

 No.165471

>>165456
I take it like this after trying so much in my life and coming back to something after leaving others behind. It's more about finding location in the pool of stuff that provides you with the most pleasurable emptiness. It's kind of like numbness but not quite, it's very vivid and you can access many places in what your perceive as time in it and experience through smaller sensory details entire worlds connected to them. It's all ridiculous to explain but everything you interact has it's own networks of experience you can use to access different time space locations. You're happiest when you find the best association networks for yourself through everything you interact with. It's very difficult because just one thing off can ruin everything if it's bad enough in your world for you personally. Everything is delusion and you need to use that to your advantage.

 No.165481

>>165147
<no interests in life
<actively searched for other hobbies and interests, but I came to the conclusion that I just don't really like anything.

>just enjoy things and have fun teehee

>it werks for me
Imagine anyone not being blown away by this incredible life-changing advice.

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>>165469
That’s what I was thinking. They won’t provide any example of a “meaningful” activity probably because they mean getting a job and being social, having a family and so on.

>>165481
At this point you will get told by normans to “meet [new] people” as if it were a fix to anyone but themselves.

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>>165481
It is kind of your fault if you have no interests/hobbies or don't enjoy anything. You've given up on having fun. Nobody can tell you what you would like since we don't know you. You have to figure it out for yourself.
>>165461
>same way killing and raping people are not good goals unless you like prison time
Literally what? Comparing escapism to killing and raping? This is one of the most retarded thing I have ever read on the internet and I have read lots of crap.
>until they die old knowing they did nothing more
What more? Working? Making children? What are you talking about?
>99% of humans in history gave their lifes some kind of meaning for a reason
99% of humans during history were normals. Does that also mean we should be normals by your thinking?
>you only need to eat and sleep to survive. but that is not okay for you amrite? wonder why tho
Because a life like that would be boring as hell?
>>165440
Retarded logic. Sex and drugs have nothing to do with hedonism. Hedonism simply means you do things which give you pleasure. I'm not interested in drugs and sex so I'm not doing them. Very simple.
>>165450
You can burn yourself out in every kind of life-style. Do you think those people who are dedicated towards a goal or work for something never burn out? Don't be stupid.

 No.165493

>>165492
>What more? Working? Making children? What are you talking about?
Again goals are everything from making good art to exploring to whatever you can find for yourself. if you think there is nothing more to life than just videogames and anime im sorry for you.
99% of humans during history were normals. Does that also mean we should be normals by your thinking?
your language, your clothes the way you speak, the knowledge you have, the internet you are using. all made by normans. does it mean is bad to take their advice?
>Hedonism simply means you do things which give you pleasure
and that leads to suffering in the longrun and a empty life where you cant enjoy things anymore. emotions are not forever unlike goals you set.

and yes you can burn yourself out in every lifestyle. but is a way better life than just seeking pleasure. why not having sex bro? thats the best pleasure bro

 No.165495

>>165147
Look at all the go-getter doomers raging in response to this post. As a response from the hedonist side, yes I do want to have not just fun but a high quality level of fun. Pleasure can also be felt in quantity and quality. Consumption can only give a low level of pleasure that is quite shallow compared to other activities like investment in various resources or skills and creation that give much deeper levels of pleasure. You probably felt better creating this post than you did reading other peoples'.

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>>165493
>Again goals are everything from making good art to exploring to whatever you can find for yourself. if you think there is nothing more to life than just videogames and anime im sorry for you.
Why should I bother doing things that don't interest me? My only goal is to feel satisfied, be happy. Consuming media is perfectly capable of satisfying me. About the sorry part, it is a matter of views. In my eyes people who can't be content without doing something valuable to normals are the ones who should be pitied. Why bother with doing stuff when you only do it to give yourself pleasure? And there are easier ways to acquire pleasure than working towards a far-off goal.
> does it mean is bad to take their advice?
In certain things, absolutely. Normals can't really think outside the box, they only think what society expects them to think.
>and that leads to suffering in the longrun and a empty life where you cant enjoy things anymore. emotions are not forever unlike goals you set.
It is the other way around. Goals come and go every day, emotions can last forever if you know what you want and like. Besides, meanings/goals don't make people happy. Happiness comes naturally when you do things you enjoy.
>but is a way better life than just seeking pleasure. why not having sex bro? thats the best pleasure bro
If you think sex is the best pleasure then /r9k/ is more suited for you.

>>165495
I beg to differ. Depends on the person. For me, consumption is the highest pleasure of all. Watching a great movie, listening to good music, reading an awesome book…there is nothing quite like it. Posting on wizchan can be fun but ultimately it pales in comparison to losing yourself watching anime and consuming media. I don't consider learning skills and creation sources of pleasure, I view them as community activities. Because they are at the end geared towards society. You learn skills to live a better life in society, you create art because you want others to enjoy it, etc. I don't care about others, to tell the truth. I despise normals and most things associated with them. I want to feel good in my own little world and let the world burn. Of course then you could argue "stop consuming media because it is made by normals too", yes it is true but some evils must be endured. Consuming media alone in my room is the only time I truly feel free. Free of this crap world, free of normals, free of suffering, free of boredom. It is the most wizardly way of living, in my opinion.

 No.165502

>>165500
>Why bother with doing stuff when you only do it to give yourself pleasure? And there are easier ways to acquire pleasure than working towards a far-off goal.
I should probably elaborate/word this better otherwise someone will misunderstand it. I meant that even if you pretend that you do something for a higher cause, underneath the pretense you only do it because you get some sort of pleasure out of it. So why bother doing something "productive" when you can increase your pleasure input by media consumption also?

 No.165503

>>165500
Everything is consumption and if man made has been probably made happen to some extent by someone you don't like but that's ok. Consumption is life here on all levels when conscious beings are involved. It's choosing what you consume that's most important, you can't base it on anyone elses ideas. No one else matters but you in the end from your perception and what you're consuming is hardly going to be the perception anyone else has when consuming the same thing. You need to keep in mind, different perceptions are different renderings of reality. Humans all just have a similar sensory base. Stop focusing on small details, stereotypes, and preconceived ideas about what is being consumed. They're all irrelevant.

 No.165507

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>>165147
You're completely missing OP's point and have no idea of what he's talking about.

>You have to sometimes force yourself to enjoy things but it will get easier as you go along. Just start consuming media again.

This doesn't work.

 No.165509

>>165507
The guy in picture didn't end up this way because of his imageboard addiction. He got addicted in the first place because he realized there isn't anything meaningful left for him to do and thus he assigned consumerism itself as the meaningful thing to do to replace the vacuum of purpose. Purpose itself is a spook.

 No.165510

>>165509
Im starting to believe that maybe the problem is not finding meaning or hedonism. but like >>163522 said is kinda like the addiction to the release of dopamine fucks with the brain just like porn. there was no time in history where getting something fun was so easy like today just buying food if you crave it or watching tv if you are bored. there is no hard work or improvement.

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>>165510
Yes that could be it too. I remember seeing a video about a rat experiment like the one in picture.
The rat is wired electrically so that if the rat chooses to press a button it's brain would stimulate the reward circuits. Given a choice between food and the button, the rat kept choosing the button and I think the rat kept pushing the button till it fried itself from the shock.
I can't seem to find the video though.

 No.165528

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>>165503
I agree with you, I'm not saying people should consume everything, they should consume whatever they like and are interested in.
>>165507
Yes, I have an idea. I had anhedonia too. But it is curable if you are willing to put some effort into this. And forcing yourself to enjoy things DOES work, depression and anhedonia can play tricks with your mind and you might think everything sucks but that isn't healthy or objective thinking. I forced myself to start consuming media again after a long time and guess what? Now I enjoy it again. I haven't read a book since idk, since I was 15 or something like that. Then 5 or 6 years later I started forcing myself to read again, it was very hard at first but it got better. Now I'm pretty much a regular reader.
You have choices, you have a will. Make good choices, use your willpower. You aren't as helpless as you want to think you are.
>>165510
>porn
There is nothing wrong with porn if you keep yourself in check. Same goes for pretty much everything, including alcohol, food, media consumption, etc. The problem is usually a lack of self-control and weak willpower.
> there was no time in history where getting something fun was so easy like today just buying food if you crave it or watching tv if you are bored.
Yes and we should be really grateful that we live in such times. Our ancestors would have killed in order to have as much fun as we can have right now.
> there is no hard work or improvement
Oh not this again. You know if you are so much of a masochist then you could always be homeless and struggle to fulfill your basic needs like in the "good old times" but of course you won't do that. People should stop whining about "no hard work necessary nowadays!" and start to enjoy life. Every human achievement in the past served the purpose of lessening pain/inconvenience and the gaining of more pleasure/joy. We should enjoy the efforts and hard work of our ancestors so time to go back to comfy media consumption.

 No.165530

>>165528

>And forcing yourself to enjoy things DOES work


I've been doing that for a number of years now though and it hasn't helped. I force myself to consume media I'm interested in, yet I never seem to feel that much better. Only kind of zoned out, basically. Maybe a little entertained from time to time. Even in the odd times when I do when the moment I stop comes, (as in turning off the game for the night, or what have you), I feel miserable again. One can't consume media 24/7. What do you do when you're not consuming media? Me, I just feel like fucking shit & anhedonia creeps its way back in almost immediately which creates a reoccurring struggle to force myself to consume media again. Whenever I'm just sitting there, after putting down the book/anime/game for the night, the anhedonia & miserable feelings come back. Then the next day I need to struggle with said feelings to once again consume media again. Like I said, it's been like this for me for a number of years.

I don't actually disagree with you that consuming media is a good way to feel fulfilled, or to otherwise kill time, but no matter how much I force myself to consume the struggle to do so never gets any easier. I still do it and have been consuming media in spite of it all for all these years, but the struggle to consume and the times when I'm not consuming being marred with boredom & feelings of misery/anhedonia hasn't led to anything other than such things worsening for me and for consuming media to just end up being a way to kill time for myself even though it always feels like a struggle that never lessens, despite the fact that want to/try to enjoy it.

 No.165532

>>165528
>You have choices, you have a will. Make good choices, use your willpower. You aren't as helpless as you want to think you are.

>Oh not this again. You know if you are so much of a masochist then you could always be homeless and struggle to fulfill your basic needs like in the "good old times" but of course you won't do that. People should stop whining about "no hard work necessary nowadays!" and start to enjoy life. Every human achievement in the past served the purpose of lessening pain/inconvenience and the gaining of more pleasure/joy. We should enjoy the efforts and hard work of our ancestors so time to go back to comfy media consumption.


this is what consuming media does to your brain.

 No.165546

I can't play video games for more than an hour anymore. It's probably ADHD since I switch between games very frequently.

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>>165528
>I agree with you, I'm not saying people should consume everything, they should consume whatever they like and are interested in.
What if I don't like and am not interested in anything in particular? Why force myself to like things I don't want to? Doesn't that make media consumption the same as work? Watching anime and toiling in the garden is the same to me. It's just work. Video games are like working on taxes, watching movies is like having a draining conversation in a store. Some media is just plain painful and is like pulling teeth to get through. I'd rather sit and stare at the wall. But I'm also miserable, nevertheless. What's the solution, then? I'm not going to force myself to sit through hours of garbage the same as I'm not going to force myself to get a job at a construction site.

 No.165558

>>165417
>>165415
>animepostig for sake of it
>samefagging this obvious
Perhaps discord is more suitable for you, crab

 No.165559

>>165417
>I agree with you, I'm not saying people should consume everything, they should consume whatever they like and are interested in.
No addiction will make you happy and we both know that.
The only way to make yourself happy is to find inner peace.

 No.165560

>>165456
>lmao
Reddit is that way, normgroid.

 No.165561

I can't enjoy media ever since I was about 16 after I became extremely anxious, I'm 22 now, my thoughts race, I worry unecessarily about everything, I'd say my anxiety causes my depression, I'd like to just feel anhedonic and numb like how some of you describe, to me the sadness and despair would be tolerable without being tense and stressed out about nothing all the time, my only options now are either suicide or get into a position in life where I can have a job, come home and get blasted out of my mind on drugs or alcohol every night until I'm dead, but then I ask myself, am I going to get a job that's good enough to have my own place, or will I only be able to get a room in a house, because I could end up getting kicked out for overdosing or blacking out in a room. Fuck, this shit is fucking annoying.

 No.165565

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>>165530
There could be a number of reasons why you feel this way.
A/ Simple burn-out - this is the most likely case. You should avoid consuming media or doing anything enjoyable for at least a week. After a while you will get so bored you will appreciate most things much better than before.
B/ You consume the wrong type of media (for you) - simply put, you aren't really interested in the things you consume, no matter how much you want yourself to believe that you are interested. This case happens when someone listens to recommendations and others' opinions too much and thinks too highly of them. For example, at a time I watched Bergman, Tarkovsky movies and other "art" movies like 2001 but I hated them. I realized that so called "art" movies are pretentious crap - to me, at least - and that my true interest lies elsewhere. So I stopped paying attention to anyone else's opinions and just consumed what I genuinely liked.
C/ You consume too much from one format - you read too much books/watch too much anime, movies/play too much games, etc. It can easily become repetitive when you concentrate on one-kind of media consumption. You should mix it up a little - like "I will read a book now but only for two 2 hours, then I will watch some episodes from X anime, then etc."
D/ Underlying existential crisis or other philosophical problems keep torturing your mind and keep it occupied so you can't concentrate on anything else. Probably questions like "why am I even alive? why is the world so horrible?" etc. If you have such a problem then you should get rid of it, otherwise you won't enjoy anything.

>What do you do when you're not consuming media?

I talk with my family members. Nothing else, really. I spend around 7 hours a day by myself but this isn't just consuming media, browsing wizchan and masturbating are involved too in this time frame. Currently I either read for 2 or 3 hours a day, watch around 4 eps from a TV series (one ep is around 40 minutes) or watch a movie - I don't consume too much media on a single day, maybe that is the key to why I enjoy it so much. I spend the time when I'm with my family with mostly day-dreaming about the recent things I consumed too.

>>165532
Reply elaborately or don't even bother replying. This isn't 4chan where "witty" one-liners can decide entire debates.

>>165552
The solution is that you get rid of this cancerous mentality that "it is going to be garbage either way". Of course you don't have fun consuming media when you start it with such a mentality. You said yourself that you would rather sit and stare at the wall. Do it, but for a long enough time that you will get bored. People aren't wired to do nothing, we were made to feel satisfied and happy. About the part where you compare media consumption to work…The two aren't even close. This is just your depression talking, everything is bad/boring/horrible. There are problems - existential kind of problems - you need to resolve yourself before you will be able to enjoy anything.

>>165559
The line between "addiction" and "being passionate about a hobby" is a very thin line. Nonetheless, you have a point. If you struggle with anxieties, melancholy or other stuff like that you most likely won't have fun ever in life. People need to first settle things with themselves before they can enjoy anything.

>>165561
There are things which are out of your control. I'd say stop worrying about the future, disregard your future entirely. Nobody can know what happens tomorrow. See, you can worry yourself to death but you won't change anything. You are just torturing yourself unnecessarily.

 No.165567

>>165565
What do you usually masturbate to and how long?
Just wondering how far you're into your masturbating habits and confirm the "if you keep fapping you'll develop fucked up fetishes" myth that gets thrown around.

 No.165571

I've been trying to get up the energy to play a game for the past 10 years unsuccessfully.

 No.165601

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>>165565

A: Yeah. I'll admit that I am quite burned out. But, again, how am I supposed to be better? I've taken breaks of like a week, or more, and then come back and I might enjoy the game itself, or what have you, but the moment I stop I feel terrible again. Plus, even when on a break of consuming I still need to suffer the boredom, depression & misery of being alone with my thoughts & sober to myself. Even daydreaming doesn't last more than short spurts because most of my thoughts are annoying or dumb. Again, I feel like this is the greatest issue here. That consuming media is all well & good, but the moments in between consumption of media turn out to still be terrible & make me feel awful.

B: I'll admit that, yeah, I've been guilty of this. Not so much with anime, or books, or movies, or whatever, but moreso with games. I'd say it's about 50/50 whether a game that's highly lauded or recommended will actually be something I personally enjoy. I've been guilty of forcing down games mostly because they're "classics" and I ought to enjoy/appreciate them on that basis. Pretty dumb, but there it is.

Then again, I'll also say that generally speaking my taste can be pretty shit. As in, I'll play some awful obscure indie game simply out of my own volition, but then stick with it to the end out of pure OCD completionism. OCD & sunk cost fallacy completionism has actually played a large role into me not enjoying gaming as much as I otherwise could.

To make it even worse, I wouldn't mind emulating a bunch of old PS1 games I used to play, since I think I'd really enjoy it, but I just never get around to doing it. It always seems like too much of a hassle. Fiddling with settings and making sure I get a good ROM, so I just stick to torrents of more recent games and stuff, even though I think I'd get more enjoyment out of emulating for a while.

And, you know, I'd ideally watch tons of anime & stay drunk on that all day, probably without any complaints, but my living arrangements are such where I've mindfucked myself into not doing it. I've been guilty of this as well where I refuse to do something until everything is to my standards & nearly perfect. Even if the cost is doing nothing and feeling miserable in the meantime. Hell, this right here is the reason why I only watch a handful of anime each year, versus 200-300 each year.

But, again, all this taken into account, I still feel miserable whenever I'm not consuming. I could enjoy consuming as well as possible, but no matter how much I can enjoy or stay distracted by it the moment I stop, I'm back to where I started.

C: Yeah. I do tend to be more singled minded in my media consumption, since video games are pretty much all I tend to consume. But, like I said, I got hang-ups with all that other stuff. I read manga online though, so that sometimes helps to break things up a bit. Reading a normal book would be too taxing for me mentally, since my OCD & wayward attention makes it downright exhausting & not very good as a distraction. Plus, like yourself, I feel like I need to consume as much media as I can, except with more of a slant towards video games. Like, I'll only ever have so much time on this planet, so I should try to play/finish as many games as I can. Obviously taking that sort of approach to media consumption won't end well, but, again, it's hard not to treat having to consume as much media as possible as almost a job, at least for me. Everyday I can't consume media seems like a failure, since there's a day wasted that I spent doing nothing, when I could've consumed some additional piece of media, or experience. Again, feeling like that makes it difficult to want to sit down & do it because it suddenly feels like an obligation, or like I'm missing some work quota, or whatever, which leads to me balking at wanting to do anything and in fact just want sit down & do nothing as big fuck you to all of my own horseshit. If I had to feel like I were in the best possible mood to play a game, so as to get the most fun out of it, then I'd seriously never play anything. I've seen some wizzies claim this to be the case for them, so at least I can still play something, even if I feel in a dour mood, as opposed to nothing. Funny because that attitude is a bit like what I just described when it comes to anime and everything, but more as it has to do with my living arrangements, and less as to how I actually feel, so I guess that's the difference there, in the sense that some people want to feel the best before they consume media, whereas I was just want my surroundings & living arrangements to be up to my standards before I consume, at least most films/anime.

D: Not so much this, I don't think. Although that is part of what I'm faced with whenever I'm not consuming media. I do happen to think the world is awful & disgusting and media helps distract my thoughts away from it. Thinking this way doesn't affect how well I'm able to consume media, but, vice versa, consuming media doesn't suddenly make me all numb or content with life itself, outside of when I'm not consuming media. Fundamentally, blind hedonism of media isn't a cure for crippling depression. It's a good distraction from it, sure, but it's not a cure. What does the drunk do when he's forced to be sober? Again, for some people the answer is to simply never be sober, but even consuming too much media leads to it being poisonous & counter-productive to enjoyment/distraction and in fact only does the opposite, as you yourself have pointed out, which would also be true for a drunk consuming too much alcohol or trying to always stay drunk on it.

Ultimately, I feel like the moments in-between media consumption will always be marred with negative feelings for me and this is simply the cost of daily existence. The only problem is that those negative feelings reinforce the struggle to consume or distract myself with media. Again, it's a fight I have to continually have with myself and, in some sense, taking a nearly permanent vacation from media would be the best option for someone like me, since I have so many self-defeating ticks, mental ailments & hang-ups. That's not really a strike against media consumption, more that it's just the reality of my personal predicament.

>I talk with my family members. Nothing else, really.


Yeah, that's all I do too. But, even then, it's not very often. Usually I just browse the internet or masturbate alone in my room whenever I'm not consuming media. Talking with my mother can actually be a nice reprieve for me. Having a long conversation about random things is actually something that helps me feel the most re-energized about myself, but, at the same time, more distant from media consumption. Again though, I don't do it very often, or not as often as I used to, because even that gets tiresome after a while.

>I don't consume too much media on a single day, maybe that is the key to why I enjoy it so much.


Weird. So you don't have any problems whenever you're not consuming media? You don't feel bored or depressed? Do you go outside, or go on walks? Do you spend all your time in your room, assuming you have one? How often do you leave the house to go & do stuff? Do you receive sunlight every day? I'm speaking as someone who's extremely isolated, so I'm just curious if perhaps the fact that you might do other things beyond the house might help with the moments when you're not consuming media. I don't think it'd really help me, but for others that might be different.

 No.165607

>>165601
Isn’t torrenting modern games much more of an hassle than emulating ps1 games, with malware, miners and so on? There are some good rom sites out there so I don’t know what you’re afraid of? As for the emulator I just use retroarch on default settings, but I can see how spending time in menus picking the right options to get the best possible iq, audio, latency and so on could be annoying for someone with ocd issues.

 No.165623

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>>165567
I consider my masturbation habits to be very average, though I have no idea what is considered as weird these days. I masturbate to mainstream porn videos, in that category I'm pretty open-minded: threesomes, DP, anal, gangbang, 'normal sex', milfs, younger succubi/'teens' (we know there are no real teens in mainstream porn), ebony succubi, asian succubi, tattoed sluts or average-looking succubi, etc etc. I like watching lesbian porn but usually I don't masturbate to it, I can't self-insert properly. In general I developed the habit of just watching porn sometimes and not masturbating at all, at times I just put on something and watch it without touching myself. I also like to check out the instagram accounts of porn actresses, the idea that whores put on slutty pictures and videos on their social media sites makes me hard. But I only use this to make myself more excited, I only masturbate to proper videos. I think I like to get myself excited, I have a low sex-drive but I actively try to increase it. I like to watch adult channels on TV too with the volume turned up whenever I am alone in the house and at nights I like to masturbate in our living room, watching the muted adult channels, knowing that some family member could walk in on me any time. At a time I wanted to get into 2D but I couldn't. Drawn pictures just can't replace 3D porn, in my opinion. Still, I like to watch hentai/play hentai VNs, again I just don't masturbate to them. On average, I masturbate once a day but then I like to keep it 'long', usually I try to restrain myself from ejaculating until the end of the video, which are usually 30-40 minutes long. I think the 'weirdest' fetish I've developed is shemale-porn. During my teens I was a huge shemale addict but then the feeling of something new went away, not to mention it is hard to find good quality shemale-porn so I just went back to 'normal' porn eventually. I also tried masturbating to gay porn once but I felt physically sick so I had to stop. This is it, in a nutshell.

>>165601
>OCD issues
Same here, welcome to the club. Though I learned to keep it in check. This is a matter of forcing yourself too, this too is about "raping" your mind. I couldn't read books or stuff like that because I was worried after every single line that "what if I didn't read it properly or missed something?". Same with watching things, I had to constantly pause and restart watching scenes because of anxiety that I didn't watch it properly. There is no other solution, you just have to sit tight and get on with the consumption. Just read/watch/play without thinking, until it becomes automatic and you get sucked in. I know it is hard but it is definitely possible. For me this was really annoying because I love to consume trash/exploitation movies, retro and obscure stuff mainly, and lots of times there are no good or even decent downloads of the movies I want to watch, just bad VHS-rips or versions that have some additional forced subtitles like greek or whatever subs. So yeah, I had to make up my mind - "this is what you get buddy, take it or leave it". And I didn't regret lowering my standards. Because otherwise I would have missed out on so many fun stuff.
>ps1 emulation
It isn't hard at all, you can set up a decent emulator in less than 30 minutes probably. I used to play with ps1 games too on emulators and I'm pretty dumb when it comes to tech stuff. I recommend some version of epsxe. Just make sure you have memory card files and set the emulator to find them before you start playing. Finding good roms can be hard because there are many crap/damaged versions uploaded but not that hard.
>So you don't have any problems whenever you're not consuming media?
Not really anymore. Sure, sometimes I'm bored but mostly daydreaming about media I consumed keeps me in good spirits. Like I daydream about what I would have done in that situation or how I would have made the plot of that movie differently or I simply recall good music I listened to, etc. The only time I go outside is when I go to church with my family on Sunday or when I need to do some official stuff someplace (which is very rare). I am in my room only when I consume media/sit before the laptop so around 7 hours a day I guess. I don't receive sunlight every day, sometimes I go out to play with our dog but that is only for 20 minutes maximum. My father is kind of a health-guru so he always tells me to take Vitamin D because I barely get any sunlight so I take that every few days or so.
My day goes like this usually: Wake up at ~9 AM, breakfast. Everybody is working except me so after eating I start up my laptop. I only listen to music, browse wizchan, read or watch gameplay videos at this time of the day because if someone comes then I have to pause my activities and I don't like to be disturbed while I watch movies/anime/etc - so I do stuff that can be interrupted easily anytime. My mom comes home at 1 PM, the rest of my family around 4 PM. From 1 PM to 5 or 6 PM is family time for me. Sometimes I read a book during family time too, an actual book I mean, not from my laptop. After that I continue reading on my laptop or watch a movie, in short the main media consumption of the day for me starts at 5 PM. I go watch some TV with my family/alone after 10 PM and that is all.

 No.165638

>>165623
Your porn habits too seem quite normal. You're lucky to not being burnt out and keeping you seek the next high, which usually ends up being more degenerate than the previous high you used to jerk off like furries, rape or other shit.

 No.165648

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>>165607

>Isn’t torrenting modern games much more of an hassle than emulating ps1 games, with malware, miners and so on?


Not really. Repack groups like "Fit-succubus", "Xatab", or "RG Mechanics/Games", make installing game both safe & extremely simple. Torrent websites like Rutracker or Rutor are also, despite being public trackers, heavily moderated and each torrent is screened by the moderation staff before being put up for download. Once the game's installed, you're basically good to go. On the flipside, emulation can come with a lot more niggling sorts of issues. Such as getting the settings just right, trying to be confident/certain that the roms I'm emulating are actually the most complete & the best possible roms out there, and just generally wanting to be certain I'm emulating whatever it is in the best possible way I can. A modern game that you simply install & play doesn't come with any of these issues. The only exception would be certain games like Elder Scrolls or Fallout which usually require a great amount of mods to get a decent or optimized experience, which leads to me being obsessed over whether I have all the mods I need, or simply being worn out by the thought of all the legwork involved of having to download/install all of them, so I just never bother playing the actual games themselves. As an aside, this is why I haven't played a Bethesda game in just about 10 years, also including New Vegas, even though that was made by Obsidian.

>but I can see how spending time in menus picking the right options to get the best possible iq, audio, latency and so on could be annoying for someone with ocd issues.


Yep, exactly. That's precisely the issue for me. I really wish there were an emulator wiki, similar to "PCGamingWiki", that could give people an outline of what the best settings are for each game. I realize that would probably be an enormous amount of work for anyone to create, not to mention that settings can change based on one's hardware/operating system, but it would make my life so much damn easier when it comes to this sort of thing.

>>165623

>every single line that "what if I didn't read it properly or missed something?".


Yeah, that sounds familiar. For me, I also suffer from needing to visualize everything perfectly in my head. Like if there's a description of a location or, what have you, I need to picture it perfectly in my mind before I move on to the next page. I also have a weird tick where I'll read something the author has written, like a character saying or describing something in the story, and I'll try to reword a version in my head that sounds better to me, or is just otherwise the same thing, but with different words used. This even true for me when reading manga, for instance. Setting aside the OCD, I also just flat out have a very low attention span. I'll be reading and then suddenly I'll just forget what the hell is going on, or my mind will wander off, and I'll have to try refresh myself on what's happening. Again, it's just very exhausting & doesn't make for a very good distraction from myself, since it's guaranteed to just make me feel worse, given my hang-ups.

>So yeah, I had to make up my mind - "this is what you get buddy, take it or leave it".


Yeah. All these things have become OCD rituals in my head, though. It's not just stubbornness or perfectionism talking. It's habit, it's OCD, it's apathy. It's lots of stuff. Deeply embedded things which dominate and construct the rituals & habits dictating what I can, or can't do. For me, I could watch anime for as long as I want, but this room, it's not right yet. None of it is right yet. When the new space is done, everything will be right. Everything will be good to go. Then I can make up for lost time. This "new space" I'm referring to is a renovation project which my parents have already stared and it might be done this year, or the next, or perhaps even never. It's an extremely tragic & self-defeating reality, these barriers & ticks I've erected against myself. Mental illness of this sort & the rituals I've developed as a result have become the bane of my media consumption. I at least however, can actually still consume, even if it's a challenge for me. That much is something. Killing time, and the need to kill that time somehow, is an overriding factor for me it seems, even when set against my rituals.

>It isn't hard at all, you can set up a decent emulator in less than 30 minutes probably.


Simply setting up & using an emulator is indeed quite simple. But actually trying to tweak the settings to the best possible configuration can be a much more tedious & anxiety inducing task. As an example, around this time last year I attempted to emulate the Metroid Prime trilogy using Dolphin, but, despite actually running into noticeable glitches & hang-ups that sorta made the experience unplayable, I was being super obsessed trying to make sure that each setting was as close to perfect as possible. Again, the breadth of possible settings in emulators has always triggered my OCD quite fiercely, since I can almost never know if all the settings are as they should be, accounting for whatever it is that I'm playing. For a lot of people, they could care less and just want to emulate & play whatever it is they're looking for. So long as it's playable & functional, that's all that matters to most people. Better than getting all stupidly anal & perfectionist about it like I tend to. Well, out of everything else, I really need to try to beat my OCD into submission when it comes to this sort of thing, instead of simply avoiding the struggle and therefore never getting to the games I wish to emulate.

>Finding good roms can be hard because there are many crap/damaged versions uploaded


Yeah. That's something I still need to look into. In the past, I've just fallen back on "emuparadise", but I've always wondered if there aren't better alternatives out there. Somewhere where I could be sure I'm getting a complete & flawless ROM, regardless of the platform.

>in short the main media consumption of the day for me starts at 5 PM. I go watch some TV with my family/alone after 10 PM and that is all.


Well, you and I seem to be quite different then. I spend pretty much all day/night in my room and only leave to get food or use the bathroom, or to occasionally have a conversation with my mother. There's no structured events in my house, like dinner or what have you, so my parents are always just doing their own thing, assuming they're even here. I only leave the house a handful of times each year & I get very little sunlight. Like yourself though, I take Vitamin D to offset this. As far as my usual day is concerned, I get up at whatever time it is I get up, since it can range to be any time from 2:00 PM to 2:00 AM or anything in between, I then use the toilet, go back to my room, then browse the internet, then go get whatever meal has been left for me and bring it back in here to eat, then it's usually up in the air as to what happens next, before I eventually eat again and then go to sleep. I'll either continue browsing the internet, post on wizchan, peruse my porn vault for something to masturbate to, perhaps exercise at some point, or, very often, just sit & stare at nothing or have a nap, or just lay around on the floor, the couch, or wherever else, paralyzed by my own sense of apathy & depression. Funnily enough, I do take showers every day. Mostly for something to do and because I also can't stand body odor. Assuming I can manage it, I also sit down at my desk and manage to play a game at my computer for as long as I can. This can range anywhere from 3 hours to even 7-8 hours. As far as when I'm able to do this, if I can manage it then everyday, or every other day. 2-5 days will sometimes go by where I don't manage to play or watch anything. It's actually been a number of weeks/months since I last watched something because I usually just stick to playing various games on my computer, like I said. I'd rather watch anime/films via my TV, versus my computer monitor, since sitting at a desk & watching something isn't very comfortable. However, my insanity comes into play here, since the space isn't right yet for this. I must wait until it is, or so my insane rituals tell me. These sorts of insane OCD rituals kept me chasing trophies for nearly six years, to the exclusion of many other things, so the hooks they can leave in my brain/psyche are not something to be underestimated. I broke free from that particular ritual, funnily enough, six years ago now, but that was only due to the mental strain that it took on me, leading to panic attacks & recurring intense anxiety. When it comes to my "space not being right yet" ritual, it's more of a subdued ritual. Not enough to be so unpleasant so as to throw it off due to the intense pain, as with trophies, but more just a low hum that while frustrating, is also quite numbing & not enough for me to do anything about it.

 No.165649

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>>165567

>What do you usually masturbate to and how long?


I know you asked the other guy, but as an addendum to my other post I just thought I'd offer my own answer to this question.

I'd say I've actually fallen into the hole that the "myth" you're talking about warns about. Personally, I used to find futa (or she-males) disgusting & unfappable, but now it's just another typical fetish for me. Playing Sly Cooper & Star Fox as a kid also corrupted me into a furry quite early on. Carmelita Fox & Krystal were both very scantily clad for video game characters, so my horny & pubescent self at the time unfortunately ended up latching on to these sexualized characters for fap material. Carmelita Fox is probably one of the first things I ever looked up porn for, as a matter of fact. This itself led me down a bit of a fetish rabbit hole. Pretty soon I developed giantess fetishes, macro growth fetishes, female muscle growth fetishes, muscular succubi fetishes, fantasy creature fetishes (like centaurs, orcs, minotaurs and, my favorite, werewolves), equine/bestiality fetishes (succubi having sex with horses, or horses having sex with each other, just drawings or animations though, not real life because even I'd find that disturbing) and just other random, obscure fetishes. Speaking of recently, I've started developing a feitsh towards pegging (a succubus strapping on a dildo and fucking a man in the ass), since I sometimes imagine how hot it would be for my waifu to do something like that to me. On the flipside though, I also often imagine being a super tall/strong alpha male werewolf and mating with & impregnating a harem of normal human females, or even muscular female werewolves. It's just weird how my sexual fantasies can vary so wildly like that. Going from me imagining myself as being the dominant one in the fantasy, to being the one who's being dominated. As far as fetishes which I still consider disgusting to me, that would be stuff like rape, guro, lolicon and other things like that. Rape being the sole thing out of that bunch which I can only ever slightly get off to. Certain rule34 material, or animations, can do the concept somewhat well, but largely I just can't get off to the sadism/pain that's present in rape porn. Also, would characters like Raven from Teen Titans or Toph/Katara from Avatar be considered lolis? Those are the youngest characters I ever fap to, so I'm just curious. Well, I'm sure this was all too much information, but I guess I just wanted to cover all the bases.

 No.165651

>>165649

Forgot to mention that I masturbate essentially every day. Ranging from just once, or twice, to even 3 times in a single day. Sometimes I'll just get it over with right away, or I'll edge for, on some occasions, 3 hours straight. More often just an hour or two. Edging is pretty much the most pleasurable, but also the most exhausting/time consuming. The thought of ever committing to "no fap", or whatever, is just laughable to me, frankly. About as laughable as thinking I'll ever commit to earning a PhD in physics, or some such shit.

 No.165670

>>165649
Oh man. Are you going to just go on or do you have any plans to fix this?

 No.165709

>>165567
>Just wondering how far you're into your masturbating habits and confirm the "if you keep fapping you'll develop fucked up fetishes" myth that gets thrown around.
It's not a myth. I used to jerk off to succubi dancing on YouTube six or seven years ago but Nowadays I often jerk off exclusively to 2D loli, diapers, farting, succubi pissing or shitting in diapers, scat (2d or 3d), sissy / feminization porn, traps, feminine males

 No.165710

>>165709
Well I've had the same fetishes for as long as I've been masturbating, so it's not a very open and shut case.

 No.165711

>>165710
It might be that some people are more susceptible to falling down the porn rabbit-hole than others. How often do you jerk off? How much time do you spend browsing sex-related stuff online?

 No.165714

>>165711
Depends. Usually once a day but if I'm doing lots of stuff sometimes I'll just forget to fap. But when I'm really bored or when I get high I can go as much as three times a day.

This isn't to say my fetishes are necessarily tame, just that they haven't changed.

 No.165715

>>165714
Don't you ever feel like wanting to do some home gymnastics? idk, never tried to channel this pulse any other ways?

 No.165716

>>165670

I don't know. Are my fetishes really that shocking? I'd really consider them more quaint than anything else. Degenerate, yes, but still sorta quaint & obscure. Either way, what do you want me to do about it? I'd consider my fetishes to be more of a carousel. Certain days I can just get off to normal heterosexual porn, like a man simply cumming in a succubus's pussy and making her pregnant, (is this even really a fetish? I guess the impregnation aspect might be,), or other days where I'll fap to 2D furry macro growth porn, or a lewd anime about a man having sex with his wholesome centaur wife. It's not like I'm jerking off to lolis or homosexual stuff. Futa is a bit homo I guess, but keep in mind that real life traps or she-males are still quite disgusting to me and I can't get off on that sort of shit. I only fap to 2D futa, or 3D animated futa and even then only occasionally. The only gay shit I've ever fapped to was 2D porn of Envy from FMA. I'd consider Envy to be androgynous though and not necessarily a man. To me, Envy always seemed like a tight, little muscular succubus, which I'd love to hold down & make pregnant with my seed. Even the english voice acting for FMA:B makes Envy sound like a gruff little lady, and that combined with her fit physique, is something I personally find to be quite hot.

 No.165718

>>165716
I don't know if you feel this way too, but in my opinion there are two kinds of fetishes. There's a kind of basal "dirty" fetish, and then fetishes that target feelings of love or intimacy. I also have fetishes with varying degrees of extremity, and I feel my lighter ones are more about feeling love and my dirtier ones are just about hard fucking and animalistic stimulation.

Also maybe we should move this discussion to the fap thread.

 No.165720

>>165714
Hmm you're really not that different from me then, though I sometimes just fap two or three times a day once every few weeks merely because I have a high sex drive. It must just be related to personal dispositions. My sex-drive torments me. I can't control it.

 No.165721

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>>165718

Yes, I get what you mean. I sometimes even end up getting teary eyed while I'm fapping when it comes to satiating that need for intimacy & love. I'll sometimes just have a picture open of my 2D waifu smiling at me & happy, with either another picture of her hugging someone or having fun, or just laying on a bed with a very wistful look on her face as if she's waiting for me to come to bed, and the imagined tenderness & affection in my head gets me off, but also makes me extremely sad. As you say, this is then juxtaposed against my more animalistic & bestial desires. Like male werewolf violently fucking another female werewolf, or vigorous breeding press positions, and stuff like that. I feel like impregnation is a bit of the middle ground here. Like I imagine impregnating my waifu and the thought of my seed swimming around & penetrating her eggs while we're in each others arms & panting & kissing each other & whispering to each how much we love one another, is also a bit of a mix of animalistic desire mixed with love & intimacy. There are certain examples of lewd material which heavily focus on the intimacy aspect of desire. Lots of saying, "I love you", and, "I'll stay with you forever", that sort of thing. There's a series of porn comics featuring Undyne (the Undertale character), which really lean into this and they always hit me hard whenever I fap to them. On the flipside for the more dirty & base desire, sometimes I'll just want to watch something like this https://rule34.xxx/index.php?page=post&s=view&id=3581659 where I can imagine I'm Venom, who's 7 feet tall & has a 13 inch dick, and is just rutting a nubile female with raw, primal instinct.

>Also maybe we should move this discussion to the fap thread.


Fap thread never discusses these sorts of things, or at least it would be a waste of time to discuss such things there. I'll agree however that these sorts of things are unrelated to this thread and are only derailing the topic, so apologies for that.

 No.165731

>>165716
The fetishes aren't really that much of a problem. It's just that in case you want to stop doing this, it would take years to fix all the damages it has done.

 No.165738

>>165731
To undo fucking what? If not the fetishes what? don't start about some mystical woo woo shit either.

 No.165739

>>165738
>Are my fetishes really that shocking?
<The fetishes aren't really that much of a problem
By "not being much of a problem" I meant that it isn't shocking in the sense that the ethical issues like "oh my god that's not real drawing that's an animal noo you can't fap to these or noo you're creating unrealistic standards about succubi" aren't that much of a deal. I also don't care if you want to keep continuing this if that's something that keeps you going.
It's just that it would take years to fix this because of the screwed up reward circuitry and porn flashbacks.

 No.165742

>>165739
>screwed up reward circuitry and porn flashbacks.
Oh, you're on of those guys.

 No.165745

>>165742
Oh no not this discussion again.

 No.165750

>>165731

I see. Well, that's fair. My peculiar fetishes aside, I do think I masturbate way too much. Once every other day would probably be much healthier, I think. Boredom leads me to do it way more often than I probably should. Not to mention my sex drive, which has diminished already somewhat, but still has me masturbating sometimes 3-4 times in the spans of a few hours, which is really just inadvisable & largely not good.

 No.165764

You should try NoDopa.

 No.165846

The real world is rewarding if you can satisfy your needs or are good at something. The type of people w Most well-adjusted people have had a steady progression in their lives. They didn't need WoW to fill a hole. They were skilled enough at something where the society valued them. Most people who end up in this situation were raised with the expectation their lives would be an upgrade from their parents. If they aren't competitive at a professional level in anything, then they will be downwardly mobile.

The type of person who has never had the expectation of anything being good operates more automatically. They were never told they were special and don't know anything except menial labor. Having no expectations kills the imagination, so most people in dead end situations will do what they have to survive but will also indulge in overeating, drinking, drugs, etc. In the past, farmers had to stay fit and such. The equivalent now doesn't have to be fit. There was no real meaning to their lives, however, besides an acceptance of their religious system entailed. Most religious systems reinforced hierarchical structures. Now the belief in an afterlife is questionable is less prevalent and not that many people go to church. The purpose for most was suffer now for a reward in heaven. People in dead end positions will still have kids but this'll largely be by accident or not wanting to use birth control, so they just fall in line with social reproduction even further by creating more low skilled workers.


People who become recluses typically aren't exceptional at anything and typically have various social deficits, so the two paths to existing in society(being good at something and being a the top of the food chain/ or being unskilled labor and just playing along) are blocked off. Of course we can have a bunch

 No.165847

>>165846
of skilled wizards who are good at something and find fulfillment that way, but those aren't typically the people who fully retreat into media consumption. Skill acquisition is ultimately a question of speed. Someone can like playing the violin, but if they still suck after x period, most people will give up. Same with languages. It's hard for most people to learn a language they can't use in real life. It's easy to lose interest when you're treading water and can't deliver any results when learning something. It's ultimately not just a question of discipline. If you have to dedicate 14 times the effort to learn something compared to someone else, it's hard to see it as worthwhile. People still want to see progress if they're buckling down.

 No.165871

>>165846
>>165847
that's a good analysis. see, there is high quality content on the chans still


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