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Seriously, i dont get it.

This should be the golden age for disregarding other humans and being able to sustain yourself in a hugbox of your own creation, and yet, after 15 years of trying, i have not made a dime through online work.

> Tried selling on eBay in the mid-2000s, products eventually went out of fashion or competition blew me out

> Tried 'justcodebrah' more than 5 times, including one compsci attempt, we all know how that turned out kek
> The other four attempts were blends of online courses, FCC, codepen, some git stuff etc
> Familiar with basic procedural and OO code structures, yet this was all 10 years ago and may just be a meme now
> 5 years ago looked into ecommerce again and likely got scammed
> Getting scammed is a common occurrence in my online endeavours

I simply don't get it. I'm dumbfounded at my inability to wrangle even pittance out of the norman webuser, yet, it is i, someone who has limitless amounts of time to work on this, that end up out of pocket and frustrated.
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Tax evasion is very annoying.

I have become a serial tax evader since making some hundreds of thousands worth of crypto, in a jurisdiction where my tax would now be so enormous that it would bankrupt me.

Use Monero (a private cryptocurrency). You can get cash or do bank transfers with peer-to-peer platforms like localmonero.com, localcryptos, Bisq, hodlhodl.com. Some countries have ATMs where you can get cash anonymously.

In the end it is a huge inconvenience, and it is terrible to live with the stress. If your tax is 'only' 20-30% I would say it is better to just pay it. There is a huge cost to tax evading: in terms of time, psychological and financial costs. I have lots of crypto but still struggle just to live since I am afraid of setting off red-flags


well you can always become a sole proprietorship, where you become the business, and your taxes are nothing strange, it's the same personal taxes you do every year


what crypto should i buy for 15$ as a noob?


Stop cryptobaiting, it's not funny


i was serious and wanted to randomly invest the minimum into something, but now i am not interested anymore, don't have a creditcard and there is just too much to learn first


15$ is not an investment.


then there's a different word for it, i don't care actually


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The mere thought of working on my own as self-employed stresses me even moar


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Is there a way to have an online shop to sell my (crappy) homemade products without paying monthly fees? I bought a domain and wanted to have the simplest possible Web page, just a pic of the product with a short description and a buy now button, but I can't find a way to accept payment that doesn't require monthly fees. Shopify etc make you pay monthly fees and considering I have no money I can't pay monthly fees. I'd like to pay a percentage of each sale rather than fixed monthly fees. I researched and all I can find are useless answers like "just use shopify". I don't have 1000 products, just one product (cannabis pipes I make) and I expect 1 or 2 dales a month, which would put me in debt and make the entire venture pointless if I have to pay monthly fees. It seems like all the people with online businesses were already rich before starting them, how the fuck do you pay monthly fees when your sales are zero and your just starting out. It is pretty damn depressing when I get a sudden burst of creativity and make a saleable product with my hands, but then there's no way to sell it without already having money.


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I think Etsy is the most popular site for selling handmade stuff.


>videos, gotta fool Youtube into showing your videos and fool people into seeing ads. Hoodwinking, tomfoolery, mystery, I hate it all. Nobody is ever honest about anything at all in their entire lives. Every single thing on the internet is a fucking trick. Nothing means what anyone says it means. Everything is a smokescreen to hide an agenda of some kind.

This right here is one of the big reasons why I've wanted to kill myself since I was a child. I hate how this is the way the world functions.


I only live off the funds I deposited to ewallets and no red flags so far. I also pay rent in cash by withdrawing funds from said ewallet with their prepaid Mastercard.

I have around 220k there from various schemes to funnel funds from normans to me, accumulated since 2009.


Please don't wiztease us and help us!

We need bux too!


what kind of stuff do you make?


and what kind of person is buying all this shit?
It just sounds too good to be true, just gluing some shit together and selling it online…


>and what kind of person is buying all this shit?
The same kind of person who donates to streamers. People with more money than sense who live in the 1st world. The thing is that there are so many people competing your chances of turning a profit are low. Also you have to be able to make something people want just "gluing some shit together" isn't gonna cut it.


All of that is linked to your name, or what service gives you a card without id? in any case which do you use, these are things like webmoney or yandex?

If y ou mean literally paying rent with physical cash you must be in some cheap country like in eastern europe, nobody would let me do that


I hope you posted that through tor with a proxy


>15 years
>started in 2005
Too late.


Yeah, I've worked for tradesmen in the past multiple times and they have no patience for you if you can't do things quickly and perfectly.
All of them thought I was mentally handicapped and yelled at me, I've had times where I was ripped off for my last pay day.


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I'm going to attempt to start etsy shop to sell the cannabis pipes I make. I've only made one and it's crappy but if I could get even one sale it would give me motivation. Now what I need is the motivation to sign up, I don't have PayPal and I don't want those jews getting my phone number and bank data. I'm also too scared to read etsy's rules, they might not let you sell cannabis paraphernalia which would sink me before I even get started. I just don't understand how people are making thousands of dollars each month with online businesses and it's so easy for them. I've tried so hard for over 10 years and I am no better off than when I started. I'm at the end of my tether and my motivation is almost totally gone, I'm several years past being a wizard but I still hope I can turn my life around.


If you can make them quickly and in decently high quantities then go for it, I had a search on Etsy and other people are selling them. The competition is pretty high on Etsy but also it's a huge market, not too far behind Amazon (Where you can also sell pipes). Amazon is a bigger market as a whole but for hand-crafted stuff on Etsy you can make nice sale quantities, and they don't take a huge chunk out of each order, plus the advertising fees are not bad. Just keep in mind the competition is high so you need a good product and your profit margin won't be amazing. It's worth it, working and making money from home is really as good as you'd hope it to be


I've heard about poojets indonesians and Filipinos making a lot of money using dropshipping to sell products they don't even have in stock to retards in 1st world countries.

They basically flood the market with their chink shit using scammy tricks on Facebook and that, it seems that people like us with proper judgement would find this ve ry hard but since poojets are mostly out o options they try their hand at scamming people like this.


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How do I make money on the internet?

I have $10,000 in savings (it's in a high yield savings account in an online bank) and $10,000 (already 2x since my initial investment) in the cryptocurrency AGI (SingularityNET). I'm hoping to make at least $250,000 in my cryptocurrency investment before even thinking about converting it to make interest on it using DEFI (decentralized finance).

Any advice?


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well here's an update. to no one's surprise my initial prediction based of a sample of 5 ebooks was wrong, my idea that each book would earn $1.70 per year. instead what seems to be happening is im $3 per month, that is $0.10 per month per ebook, $1.20 per year possibly?

this sounds like shit money, and it is, but i cannot describe how low effort this is, it's now maybe 20 minutes of work per day. if the $3 per month increase thing keeps holding true, in 2 years my passive income will be around $100, and the yearly over $1000 which will be actually amazing for a poverty neet like myself

so i'm almost at the 2 month mark, it should be around $6/mo by then. i will check back in after another 2 months. at that point in time it should be $12/mo. should be interesting


Anyone have any luck selling apps or games?

I have read statistics that 82% of indie game developers make less than minimum wage and that 50% make no more than a few hundred dollars in a year. Even worse, my desire is to go about making games in the most autistic manner possible. I dislike modern game engines and want to program games for long-dead 8-bit computers in assembly language. I want to pretend that it's the 1980's. I also have zero artistic abilities or imagination. My chances of making money are nil.

I would try web dev but I am afraid of interacting with clients and I don't want to earn third-world wages doing something I don't even enjoy.

Everything seems like a dead end with no possibility of monetary reward or gainful employment.


I think your best bet is to create generic mobile games and fill them with ads.


>I dislike modern game engines and want to program games for long-dead 8-bit computers in assembly language. I want to pretend that it's the 1980's. I also have zero artistic abilities or imagination. My chances of making money are nil.

look up zachtronics games for ideas on how 'assembly coding' can be made into a game itself

if that doesn't interest you and you just want to make old shitty games in assembly or on 8bit computers, you can try instead doing it in a fantasy console such as pico-8 or tic-80. they have arbitrary constraints you would appreciate and everyone expects the games to be somewhat shitty as well


This wiz has lost about 200 bucks in crypto since this post. My crypto of choice, tezos, has not faired well either in this time period.


So I've made some progress with the cannabis pipes. I've done a lot of experimentation to see what I am actually able to make and not make. There are 3 models of pipe I will offer as I can make them decent quality and fairly quickly. My plan is to make an example of each pipe and then take photos. After that I'll deal with the whole signing up to etsy/PayPal bullshit.


nice. good luck, anon


I tried to post this yesterday but it didn't post:

Problems on the etsy front. I haven't signed up yet but I did a little research and apparently you need at least 20 products  (or variations of the same product) if you want to get sales. Etsy uses an algorithm to place your products, and if you have less than the 'magic number 20' you're listing get shoved out of view. Also the algorithm penalizes you if you don't add new products everyday. So if you have eg. 20 pipe designs, you should list one per day instead of all 20 on the same day. My original idea of listening 3 pipe designs is thus invalid. Further, I'm at a huge disadvantage because I'm not American. The shipping prices in my country are far more than in usa and that means I can't compete with usa sellers' prices. So why the fuck would anyone buy my crappy pipes when they can buy a better quality usa pipe while simultaneously saving at least $20 on shipping? I've put too much work into these pipes to give up now, but just the fact that I can't compete with Americans in terms of price or shipping fills me with dread.

And some advice for any wizards wanting to go the etsy route, whatever you make has to be something you have motivation to make. There are millions of people selling jewelry and soap, which means they're making money doing so, but I have no interest in jewelry or soap and thus no motivation. These pipes on the other hand fire me up with motivation, I wake up in the night thinking about them and possible design variations. If you want to "just glue some shit together" you'll never get anywhere because you won't have motivation to glue random shit together everyday. If there are already people making what you want to make that's good, because they wouldn't be wasting their time making the thing unless they were making money. Your version of the product just has to be a little different from all the others.


>I wake up in the night thinking about them and possible design variations.

It seems that you already solved the 20 products problem, why not try to sell to people from your own country_ shipping costs shouldn't be that much of a issue then.


Money is not real. It is used to control the masses.

Money is slavery.


Money is not real and money is slavery then slavery is not real.

If money is not real and money is used to control the masses then nothing is used to control the masses.


BTFO with facts and logic!

In all seriousness, the fault in your argument lies in the definition of 'not real' in the sense of 'non-existent' therefore unable to influence or control anything in the world. However, the poster is using 'not real' the same way an illusion can be not real yet influence people's minds.


It still isn't a logical argument when you think about it for more then a few seconds.


hello folks, i never had a bank account but i'm thinking of finally making one to make a living out of drawing commissions, the thing is i don't know how online payment works and wich methods to use, so if anyone can enlight me on the matter it would be much appreciated.
(not underrage, just autistic neet living with parents in case you ask)


It's pretty easy. You have to go to a bank and open an account in person and be sure you mention that you want e-banking enabled. Then just create a Paypal account and add your bank account information so you can withdraw any money you receive into your bank account. When you want someone to pay you, just give them your Paypal email address.

One thing that's a bit tricky, depending on your country, is that you might have to fill out various tax forms and notify the government about your income and then pay out a certain % of that.


depends on your country I guess? I'm sure there are tutorials on youtube.


Hi there fellow art wiz, to be anonymous from your commissioner do not write your real name and address in the paypal account but it will be difficult to change that info after. Btw what type of commissions are you planing to take? sfw or nsfw, fetishes ?


>There are millions of people selling jewelry and soap, which means they're making money doing so
That isn't true. A million people go for low hanging fruit and 1% of them at most make money from it. It's the same as youtube video creators, the majority of people never see a penny of it.

Motivation is good but your hobby shouldn't be your business. You will burn out on it and begin to hate doing it. Life needs compartments and work/leisure is an important one.


>Not that easy buddy
Then do it lol.


This. Crab bucket retards keep people down. All you have to do is be the best in your field. It takes time but if it didn't, everyone would do it.


I'm not being sarcastic btw, go into niches if you can't be on top.


>without trading short dated options


I'm pretty sad that this happened.
No one is going to listen to someone who isn't confident.
>robert kiyosaki
Fuck off.
Just so you can spend it all in one year? Taxman can take it away? Mate, please, get a hold of yourself.
Have a goal in mind.
I really liked that book but anyone who builds something properly of value and does their due diligence will do well.
lmao, this is 100% legal.


To help fellow wizzies in year 2014 I came to /wiz/ and posted a message saying that people here should buy Ethereum.

I think mods later deleted that message.

Did you miss it?

Well, you can thank mods for that. Many of you would be millionaires like me if only moderators would have allowed for that post to stay up. I have it even screenshotted somewhere, have find and dig it up.


>Fuck it, i'm gonna try and learn web development again FOR THE SIXTH TIME!!

This is a big mistake fellow wizzie. Are you unaware that GPT-3 type machine learning algorithms are able to create websites out of simple queries?


It's a dystopia.

One thing you might not know that's part of it is even when doing surveys for pennies amazon's mturk gives more surveys out to Hispanics I've read. A guide I read actually tells you to like about who you are to get the most surveys.

But real work? XD

You have to be a genius programmer for intel and also know someone that knows someone. Nepotism and good genes.

Running your own business is only impossible due to how monopolies took everything over. They overshadow you. That and automation and outsourcing took jobs away that you could have had.

A normal job? Have you considered that that drives people with ethics to suicide? Some people can only do work if they believe in what they are doing, or rather, as an agnostic I'd like to say feel fulfilled in what they are doing, because I don't believe in anything.

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