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 No.166260[Last 50 Posts]

Seriously, i dont get it.

This should be the golden age for disregarding other humans and being able to sustain yourself in a hugbox of your own creation, and yet, after 15 years of trying, i have not made a dime through online work.

> Tried selling on eBay in the mid-2000s, products eventually went out of fashion or competition blew me out

> Tried 'justcodebrah' more than 5 times, including one compsci attempt, we all know how that turned out kek
> The other four attempts were blends of online courses, FCC, codepen, some git stuff etc
> Familiar with basic procedural and OO code structures, yet this was all 10 years ago and may just be a meme now
> 5 years ago looked into ecommerce again and likely got scammed
> Getting scammed is a common occurrence in my online endeavours

I simply don't get it. I'm dumbfounded at my inability to wrangle even pittance out of the norman webuser, yet, it is i, someone who has limitless amounts of time to work on this, that end up out of pocket and frustrated.


Running your own online business isn't trivial. Have you considered just getting a normal job that allows you to work from home? Lots of them exist and the path towards those positions is a lot more linear than being your own boss and figuring out the market.


The internet is a platform. Acquire skills/proficiency and use it to deliver what you have produced.


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If it's any comfort I've tried a ton of this shit too and some other business ideas. Pyramid ga*cough*I mean multi level marketing, assorted scams, buying, selling, setting up online stores. Insane amount of effort for pebbles, like way less than some 3rd world child worker. It's quite amusing to think back on, some of those pyramid games were like sect meetings or something lol.


15 years of trying but you didnt buy bitcoin?


Anyone here tried those "view ads to earn money" things?

Anyone here tried earning through youtube videos?


viewing ads to earn money are almost always scams that involve some kind of monetary purchase before you get money of your own, it's not uncommon for people to say "in order to make money you need money" but in this case you're just giving your bux to a faceless organisation that will likely use your payment details for their own ends.

YouTube is hard but not impossible but attaining true success on the platform is often an anomaly, your effort is unlikely to be rewarded unless the algorithm smiles upon you.


Making money online is all about lying, manipulating, and tricking. It's disgusting.

A blogger writes a post and he doesn't care AT ALL about the subject. His goal is A) fool search engines into displaying his site above others and B) fool readers into clicking/seeing ads. Whatever he writes about is completely irrelevant. That's why he just uses generic templates like "Top 10 Blahs" and "Top 5 Reasons You Blah" etc. He just plays internet mad libs and tries to find the perfect combination of bullshit to fool Google's AI and suckers at the same time. If he were to actually write about something he cared about, and actually wrote it the way he wanted (and not in attempts to crack some SEO algorithm), he will never make a single cent.

Similarly, reviewers all review the exact same products, every top 10 list of *product* is exactly the same, with the goal of fooling you into clicking their affiliate links. The reviewers just look at what other reviewers are reviewing and slightly rearrange the list and slightly rearrange the words. Hundreds or thousands of better choices get buried forever because dishonest, lazy reviewers just want to fool as many consumers as possible into using their affiliate links. Just out of spite, if I find something to buy from an affiliate link, I always close the tab, open a new tab, and buy it without giving them anything. (If I'm missing something and they still profit from it, let me know, so I can stop helping them profit)

Videos, gotta fool Youtube into showing your videos and fool people into seeing ads. Hoodwinking, tomfoolery, mystery, I hate it all. Nobody is ever honest about anything at all in their entire lives. Every single thing on the internet is a fucking trick. Nothing means what anyone says it means. Everything is a smokescreen to hide an agenda of some kind. Lies and manipulation and memes and ideas that everyone pretends to adhere to, everyone pretends to follow, but at the same time, they silently agree and accept that everyone knows it's bullshit and it's just a game. "Wow you think you're so smart for pointing it out huh well everyone knows it so you aren't actually smart take THAT". Point it out and that's always the reaction. "Wow you aren't smart" "Wow you aren't special" Know why? Because everything that say and do is meant to make THEM appear smart and special. So they project on you. They assume everything YOU do is to make YOU seem smart and special. So by saying you aren't, they think, "ha, you haven't accomplished your goal!" But you aren't playing the same game as they are. You're saying the truth because it's the truth and you want others to know the truth. This doesn't make any sense to them. Them saying "you aren't smart!" is as valid as replying "you aren't a banana!" You don't speak the truth because you want to make them think you're smart, so it's of no consequence, it's not related at all. Just like calling you a banana would make no sense, neither does "exposing" that you just want to "be smart".

I just hate that any time I read ANYTHING or see ANYTHING or hear ANYTHING. I have to think: "what did he mean by this?" Because I know the words are actually meaningless. He arranged a bunch of squiggles and/or sounds into collections that my brain assigns meaning to and tries to arrange these arrangements into a combination that will unlock my mind and allow him to assert his will over my own.


It's pretty revolting to think about the amount of content that is made for the sake of selling something. Sometimes the even the content itself.
Hoodwinking, tomfoolery and mystery as you said. Stupid hustle culture.


his monitor was already on the verge


As someone with a moderately successful online business, I can say this is 100% correct.

OP, you might as well learn a trade and get an honest IRL job. Only a small percentage of people make a decent income online, the rest are bullshitting.


"just learn a trade brah" is about as productive as "justcodebrah"

someone has to be willing to give you an apprenticeship and they're going to ask what you've been doing


You could try something like fiverr and create logos or something, but I think it would probably involve interacting with each customer to find out what they want. Sounds like a lot of hassle and the pay is shitty since you are competing with desperate third worlders who will do things for a song.


like that will go anywhere


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>normal job that allows you to work from home
Yes, but without experience or a good track record this will be near impossible to achieve.
Do tell me if you know otherwise..
Not that easy buddy
Yep, got scammed by those guys too, all the promises, none of the delivery
Waited until late 2017 to buy-in with all the cash i had at the time. Yep you read that right, another cosmic joke at my expense
Yep, but that is also like (outside) life also?
Lying, cheating, manipulating, all things i wished to avoid my turning my efforts to online. One man, with more processing power than was even in existence 30 years before his time, and yet i am rendering impotent by herd activities that favour social trickery, even in the online space. At this point i just want to innawoods from all this trash, corruption and defilement of the human spirit. Recently one of the religious blogs i follow reeled me into an article that has them selling incense at the end of it. Then i knew nowhere was safe.
>get an honest IRL job
If i had that capacity i wouldn't even be here
>You could try something like fiverr
This reminded me, i did actually try a remote job in customer calling, was literally paid pajeet wages and had to speak to people through a headset, and got disciplined for not saying the right things since they recorded my calls and played them back to me. Cringed so hard i quit on the spot.


I've made a store with 5k sales in a month (1k take home) but it's not even done yet and there's a lot of work. But it is possible. It's really a beautiful thing but you gotta have the desire and mindset.


Or look into neil patel, dropship lifestyle, robert kiyosaki, Seth Godwin, Gary Vaynerchuk, Sebastian Ghiorghiu. There's tons of stuff out there.

TeamTreehouse is a good place to learn to code and so is Codecademy. There's so much out there. Most jobs don't require a degree, if you can get your foot in the door anywhere doing anything you can start getting experience.

idena is also a cool coin for NEETs interested in getting money, I've heard it has a UBI aspect to it, I just need to get it working on my server.


There's pluralsight and Coursera too for learning.


but I'll tell you the truth, it's longer hours and more headache and stress than any other job. But if you truly love it, it doesn't matter.


also one more thing, the only truth there is to know about the truth is to know it yourself. There is a lot of predatory stuff out there, don't let anyone else think for you. I wish I could be more profound in writing this, but it's a big concept.


>Yes, but without experience or a good track record this will be near impossible to achieve.

It should be infinitely easier to get employed vs running your own business. It's also much less stressful since you have clear work hours and nothing but your time invested.

All you have to do is apply a lot. Search for 'remote work/position' on job sites and apply even if you don't think you can get the job. Stuff like translation, tutoring english, audio transcription, etc. don't require much education, but the better paid jobs involve a variety of different computer skills like excel spreadsheets, article writing, graphics design, web design, social media management, video editing, software development like small web/mobile apps, etc.

If you're spending a lot of time on the computer, there's no excuse for not using that time to gain different skill sets. You can pirate most online courses and quickly acquire at least rudimentary skills in photoshop, illustrator, after effects etc. you can learn javascript and make some polished beginner projects and share them on github.

Does that seem too hard? Well, imagine everything you have to do to run a successful online business. I mean, even a basic web shop requires several skill sets to get off the ground or at least the effort to learn them on the go while you're also investing a certain amount of capital (domain + hosting + software + professional-looking theme is like the minimum for any online business). Not to mention all the branding, marketing and so on, which requires a certain amount of knowledge and experience with the market. Of course, you can just hire people to do those things for you but that requires a lot of money.

If you just want to make some money online, just get a regular remote job. I have no idea where you got the idea that running an online business would be easy or that anyone can do it.


i like this thread, i thought people would just respond saying that it's a scam, because of it being marketed as an easy way to make millions, but replies seem to be reasonable. Personally as a dropout from school and for other reasons i looked how to make money online, starting from stuff like beermoney on reddit, i made a little bit from surveys, crowdowrking, etc, which already surprised me, cause i didn't expect to make any money till my death. i made about $1000 within i dunno, a few months? but i was half-assing it like everything in my life. that's when i heard about trading, went in, lost $500 in a few days or something, but then i got really lucky and stumbled upon a trader teaching others that wasn't actually a scammer, like a ton of them are. i actually made more money than i thought i ever would, and i thought it would last forever, but it isn't that easy. i lost like half of my capital fooling around doing stuff that's basically gambling because i'm lazy and never want to put in any effort. The conditions were more favorable before, but it still works, at least this year i'm being profitable again. I made a few posts already about who i learned from but from the start people were insulting me and taking me for an advertiser, even though everything i share is freq and doesn't even have to be pirated. well, regardless what you think about it, i'm still trying to trade, but if i wasn't doing it, my second choice would be e-commerce like affiliate marketing or dropshipping, and thirdly somehow making money as self-employed from hobbies like gaming. you could say i've been doing it for years, but i'm not a proffesional, just an amateur, that's also a depressed retard, only reason why it was worth it for me starting with almost no capital is cause i have 0 costs by leeching off my parents. i don't even know if it will amount to anything, because now i have tax problems, so even if you make money, things are not so simple…


Im the guy talking about the ecommerce store. Im going for neetbux, then im putting the company in my fathers name. He should be giving me cash gifts less than 10k so non taxable and doesnt disrupt neetbux. Idena should net me another grand untaxable income (ill never take it out of crypto). That puts me at 20ish grand a year to sit on my ass.


>>166440 is right

Shopify is about 29.99 a month, and you have to have about 200 bucks for a theme. Plus you have to be able to run some ads on google or facebook. If you can get your hands on about 500 bucks it's possible. But it's easier to work a job. I worked countless hours trying to get my store running, and I have loads more work to do. There's over 5k unique products so entering them manually, creating software to automate orders, configuring google ads, etc, can take months and thousands of hours. It's not worth it unless you're like me and would rather be doing this than working per diem. Plus I had to learn a bunch of HTML, CSS, etc, to even be able to understand it.


Also OP, it's hard to do it alone. Having nobody to talk to and bounce ideas against makes everything difficult. A good partner is worth it. Also, I got scammed a lot too. Lost a lot of money on some random currency, and I had a shopify store that never made more than like 20 bucks. Live and learn.


I'm going to guess the best and easiest way is to make games with microtransactions intended for young children.


Honestly there is no easy way. The best thing you can do is adapt the latest technology and most fantastic system in order to create a fantastic service. Something lightyears ahead of the competition . I have a product ive been developing for over 2 years and its in its infancy. People call me a loser and such but i know that im learning and getting better all the time. A product idea wont come to you if you think super hard, its a natural process of finding underserved markets and collaboration with others.


This describes essentially every business, though it does describe Internet business even more so.

Amazon wasn't profitable until the Pentagon gave them billions upon billions in tax dollars via defense contracts. eBay was simply a vessel to monopolize monetary exchange on the Internet with mandatory PayPal use. Domino's pretends to sell pizza as its primary revenue model but is more involved in patent trolling, and more insidiously, the proliferation of a cashless society through their patents. Every livestreaming and communication platform is just a honeypot for detailed facial recognition databases.

Everything is a fucking joke. The only way to be successful in the worldly sense of the term is to be unfathomably evil.


I really started to see this maybe 4 years ago when you have a simple article giving instructions or just a list of something with not a ton of written content or pictures yet for every item on the list you have to go to a new page. I used to think this was just because of smaller smartphone screens (I didn't have a Smartphone at the time) but eventually I realized it was all because drawing a new page means all the advertisements refresh. Its disgusting and incredibly time consuming to read something that in the end has very little content. These days I see a page laid out like that I leave unless I am desperate.

I am currently studying programming and it seems like a good way to make money while working at home other than the fact most jobs seem to want at least 3 years experience even for low level stuff. Heard the best way around this is to lie and say you had your own business or something or worked for a start up that went under. I think thats the final red pill on adult life. The only way ahead is to lie unless you did everything in life perfectly from the beginning and suffer no mental illness or any ongoing problems that hold you down.

It would also seem most the in person jobs have a hunger games style hiring process where they do awful things like make you code on a white board. I highly doubt I could handle that kind of pressure of someone breathing down my neck and then having to write code by hand at the speed of a turtle stuck on a speed bump. In the end ill still try, at this point in my life it seems to be either this or a bullet in the head.

Of course this new economic depression will likely make the game way harder for anyone even slightly disadvantaged.


glad you see things that way wizzie.
now I'd like a detailed description of you, your personal history, medical history, recent atypical thoughts, purchases, sexual fantasies, etc.
No reason to worry since you are a law abiding wiz, right brah?


Public data are saved in a massive conglomeration and not on some spreadsheet available to a commissar.
Demanding data is besides the point and superfocial fear mongering. The only peope who come with this crap are degenerates, extremists, pedophiles and such scum regular on reddit,4chan and other online spaces known for wehement data privacy advocacy. The only political parties who work for it are leftist parties known for their connection to organized crime, terrorism and extremism.
So go fuck yourself and loaded request you third class demagoge.


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Absolutely nothing to hide? No skeletons? Nothing you would be ashamed of? If you have no family members to be embarrassed by like mom or dad, I envy you. Also
>not on some spreadsheet available to a commissar
I guarantee if you trigger some NSA keyword program (which is quite extensive), you'll have a human look over your data at some point. Also, have you realized that facial recognition is part of a greater profile that's being built of you and isn't entirely in the hands of the wonderful Big Brother government you adore? Or that Big Brother is being ransacked by corporatist leeches that sell your profiles to countless data brokers worldwide, many of whom have a vested interest in harming you and your precious Big Brother? Or that even random cyber criminals that you're so terrified of are getting hold of these profiles in batches and you have to pray and be lucky that someone doesn't social engineer their way into identity theft or fraud? Or that AI is being trained on your data and sure, hard AI may just be sci-fi but there is a small probability that it becomes dangerous enough to destroy mankind and if enough normalfag cattle like you had just chosen to stay away from the botnet, maybe the AI's job of extermination would be a little harder? To be more realistic, there are marketing algorithms taking your data brokered profiles and marketing to you ads and content that you want, which may sound pretty cool upfront, but is directly responsible for the spiraling isolation and close-mindededness that's infecting generations of young people worldwide with targeted ads brainwashing them into pidgeonholed corners of idiosyncratic, schizoid tribe mentalities that will quite possibly doom humankind to eternal, bloody civil wars over petty things like anime pantsu and furry microaggressions?


well facebook is full of data already
take your meds


The native posters here do not use Facebook.


and? So does everyone else. They can gather data from you by extension. Here's a real kicker. So many people are submitting their DNA to companies for their genealogy that police forces are now able to identify criminals that using DNA evidence gathered indirectly. So even if you never get fingerprinted, gave your DNA taken, and keep secure, the government can identify your DNA because likely some relative of yours gave them their own DNA.


Why would anyone be posting social media about me? I don't know anyone other than my parents and even if they did have something to say about me on facebook it would be superficial and inaccurate.


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talking about privacy I saw news the other day and looks like google is planning to help the government here with reinforcing the police state by gathering data from cellphones and making sure social distancing is being maintained
if not they'll send a drone up your ass with blaring alarms followed by cops beating you to pulp once located



blah blah.
Give me your data moron. I wanna see that wiz bank account.
Wizzie needs a new computer!


The people that do this are stupid beyond belief


>Absolutely nothing to hide? No skeletons? Nothing you would be ashamed of? If you have no family members to be embarrassed by like mom or dad, I envy you.
Even if one hasn't the risk of ending up mixed into some sort of false registry or whatever is still there and happens erryday with occasionally very nasty consequences.


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Damn, you assholes really know how to derail a thread good and proper


>I always close the tab, open a new tab, and buy it without giving them anything.

Make sure you are not tracked with cookies.


>unfathomably evil
I've read a lot about 'how 2 make money online.' What makes me the most sick is that the majority of these 'make money online' businesses are also businesses that teach people 'how 2 make money online.'

There was this proofreading teaching business that was apparently doing really well. A marketing business which makes over 10 million a year selling marketing training to businesses and marketing training to marketers so they can also sell marketing to businesses.

I think the part I hate the most is how social it all is. I don't want to talk to people. I want their money so I can use the money to not talk to them.

Which is how I got into "Mom and Pop's Business Funding".

This was my entire last month of life. I would literally wake up and think about how to talk to people the whole day- I wasn't sleeping well, my every thought consumed by how the next conversation with the next customer was going to go. I eventually had a panic attack, didn't make a single sale.

It sounded way too easy for way too much money. Advertise to businesses you have a loan product for them, they say yes you email in their information. Then you get big check.

I mean, that was the fantasy of it. I learned so much about these damn loans even though they are simple as fuck, a business either needs them or doesn't.

I really, really believed I was finally going to make it. I had dreams of 5k checks in my mailbox(average loan for the biz is 100k and as fresh blood I'd get 5% commission so that was a reasonable amount to be dreaming about).

I spent hours everyday spamming email templates to every business owner selling their business. I even made telemarketing calls.

Then I made a site, joined facebook(I hate facebook, but money, so) started running some ads, built up a ton of attention, was sure I'd be successful in a few months just because of attention over time.

Nothing was really in my way- I believed I'd get a check if the loan went through. I just needed the right person to see the page. That was it. They would call me, I was busy rehearsing every possible detail even though the loans were simple as shit in the first place. I attended these twice weekly conferences on the phone with the president.

I thought I was really going to make it. I thought I was going to be the 'guy who got out.' I had no idea what I was going to do with the money, but I didn't care— I wasn't going to be a loser who couldn't pay for himself anymore. I would have pride.

And then I had what might have been a panic attack. Was thinking I had corona. Thought, like for sure, I was going to die. Super cold body temperature. Called 911, my vitals were perfect despite being 270lbs.

I didn't think it had anything to do with selling the loans until I clicked those facebook ads off. I was spending 4 bucks a day because I was going to build my audience up slowly and I didn't want to telemarket, but the moment I turned those ads off it was like chains fell off of me.

Same when I deleted my website and articles I wrote informing people about the loans. I don't know how anyone could have made an easier job for me for more money- just tell some random person the details of a loan, send in their information.

That's the entire job. I knew it in and out, but yet, it crushed me from the inside out.

I wanted money to be free of money. But, all I learned was that I found new ways to destroy myself from the inside without anyone helping.

It's 8 days since that breakdown. I was sick for about 3 days, no idea what happened. I'm glad to be better but my mind feels like a mess now. I spent all this psychic energy towards the promise of a big check- there wasn't even much time investment required! My mind keeps throwing those excuses back to me and thinking 'well maybe I'll go back when I feel better hA hA'

I feel awful. I hate, hate money. I hate what it made me feel, how fearful it made me feel, I hate the people who participate in this game.

I spent so many years looking for 'easy outs' and 'get-rich-quicks' and this is where it all landed me. Straight into misery town.

I spent the last eight days overeating, spending tons of money on food, and watching anime from wakeup to sleep. I know I'm feeling better because I'm starting to think of doing stuff again.

I don't know why my mind is like this. I don't know why I feel I can't do it. I'm stuck in a puzzle I spent years trying to understand, trying to play a game I hate, for a reward that won't help me live much better.

This is the definition of insanity.


OP if you are still here, this video might help


I've tried Swagbucks and earn ten dollars a day, it's easy at least but it's not much. The trick is to play some music in the background. What you can reasonably expect is to click some bubbles according to your personality.


That's probably the most pretentious youtube channel i ever saw

>Look at me i'm a millionaire with no stuff

>Look at me CEO at 20
>Look at me 9 figure strategy

He is completely self-obsessed


Over the years I've come to see the word entrepreneur as sucker who's paying an overpriced course.


>He is completely self-obsessed
You probably have to be to succeed on jewtube in any capacity. People eat that up for some reason.


The info is good so that is what really matters.


Yeah, no, fuck all those guys. G8 bait m8.


Yeah, I learned this the hard way. The dropshipping stuff is pretty scammy and the coding stuff assumes you're a fairly normal person. I was never able to become an all star programmer, but the thing I learned is social skills matter just as much for non-genius positions. I got shat on a lot for the soft skills when I went to a programming bootcamp in ohio. That's also because I got rejected from all the bootcamps in California since everyone else was some sort of otherwise successful professional in those.


How about Amazon's publishing platform? Is it worth it? I've read about people writing or outright pirating shitty fanfictions as drama books and making some bucks


Is it even worth it? What would you make on that? A couple bucks a month?

As I see it the only way for a wiz to make living online is getting lucky on YouTube. Clown yourself on camera for normies to laugh at and hopefully make a living. The thing is you're more likely to fail than to succeed and most of us are camera shy and with no personality whatsoever. It's a tough world for people like us.


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One glaring point that i missed out is my 'uncaring for people'.
I don't know if there is a word for this. A general disregard for the general person.

How is one to get paid when they don't care about creating value for other people?

>Even if i have the knowledge, why would i write a book?

>Why would i create a course, why would i help people in any way?

This is a great barrier to my money making endeavours. I may be able to do the thing, but to actually have the staying power to go all the way is somewhat reliant on my caring for the social validation that it provides.

Even if you take the 'enjoy the process' argument, does one truly enjoy the process of writing books, learning stocks, finding hacks to advertise their shill products online and the rest of the manipulation tactics out there to scrape cash from the bones of corpses?

I also don't even care enough to do crime and fraud.

I don't want to punish people and i don't want to help them. I just want to be left alone pretty much. Maybe my future is to be a gardener or woodcarver or something comfy like that.


Pascal's quote needs to be updated for the 21st century:

>All of humanity's problems stem from man's inability to sit quietly in a room alone and offline.


Best thing to do in this case is do it for yourself. Write a really good book for yourself because you believe that story needs to be written. Sure do things to make it marketable as well but mostly do it for yourself. Same with something like writing a program make it because you want to make it to see the results yourself. Then toss in some features you don't give a rats ass about for normies and ship it. Easier said than done at the end of the day I know.

Anyway all work is like this for me. Work is nothing but a means to an end. I clean my shower not because I like too but because it disgusts me when I am dirty. Most people who go to work are not doing it to help anyone or for society. They may say bullshit like that but that is just virtue signalling. At the end of the day they are going for a paycheck and its glaringly obvious when you deal with people as a customer most the people doing their jobs are just going through the motions for the paychecks. Ive even had doctors that were clearly just phoning half their job in and just were doing it for money.

Even when I do work for my mom she cant do or help her I feel nothing. I get no joy out of it what so ever. All that happens is a lose some time and endure some discomfort. If I didn't have the time to lose i doubt I would even do it.



Anon thanks for writing this out. Genuinely felt most of it. Not sure what the word for this is… Dostoyevskian or Gogolian or something, but it was powerful.


Whelp the dropshipbros have already found a way of whoring out corona-chan for their passive income cooming


well the masks were the obvious thing first. this makes sense since masks are saturated but this'll be saturated fast too.


I'd rather poke the doorhandles with my erect dick than buy another one of those keychain gimmick pieces of shit.


The LORD is my shepherd, i shall not want.


Except we can't get chinese knockoffs anymore

$20 for a $1.36 worth of metal, nice one dropshipchad, our saviour!

Do you want the LORD?


Looks a lot like those shitty self defense keychains that were made to get around knuckle duster laws but suck because the people who design them never test them by actually punching stuff with them on.


I earn less in my normal job.
Whats the scam?


I've been trying to make money off of the recent lockdown induced market crash.
I invested my meagre last 6 months of paychecks into oil speculation
I bought stocks in oil companies when the price got to 20 dollars in march and made had over 2k profit at some point.
I thought the opec production cut deal guaranteed me huge returns but the saudis ruined it. I got out with 900 bucks just in time and reinvested into cryptocurrency projects that make sense to me.

Looking back I could have made so much more in the past two month, maybe even enough to be a lifelong neet if I used leverage.
Tesla had a price starting with 400
I could have simply shorted shale industry companies with lots of debts and then rebuy them right after Trump announced he would print money and bail everyone out.
It's always when you look in the past that you can discern great opportunities.
The thing I lacked was cynicism
I thought the crash would not spare bad companies who made risky decisions by getting debts. I couldnt realize in time that the government would just act as insurance for those irresponsible companies
The lesson here is that news should be sold and crisis should be bought, because politics will always use wageslaves tax money to save the billionaires.
But I think it too late now for any significant gain at my level


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If any wizards already have any money, look into buying dividend paying solar stocks and use the dividend to keep buying more stock.

Coal and dirty energy will be replaced by cleaner free energy from the sun. There is no doubt about it. Right now there is some resistance due to lobbying groups of big coal and oil, but in the end, solar will power everything in 100 years as technology improves.

Also look into dividend paying real estate stocks and stocks that have to do with the production of batteries.


Or you can just directly invest in an actual set of solar panels or a wind turbine. In yurop, at the current electricity prices a minor group of panels give you an annual 10% and a wind turbine about 15%


You don't need to buy the stuff yourself ofc, you invest in one being put up elsewhere.


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I've been eyeing renewable energy sectors looking for cheap entry points but my impression is that it's a very long term type of investment, like at least five years or more.
Germany still uses coal
China is dead set on using only the cheapest sourceof energy and right now oil is worth pocket change and natural supply seem to be good to last for at least a 100 years. Interest groups are too well rooted in politics and administrations are cemented on a path dependency type of issue. Replacing fossil fuels would require a colossal work just in terms of bureaucracy and social adaptation, I don't see anyone genuinely ready to make this effort.
The equipments for solar energy production and storage are very expensive and fragile which puts off insurances.
Improvement in that field is needed for renewable energy to truly perform a breakthrough
Now any serious long investment with a legit western company actively working towards a better technology would take years to turn into big money.

So I thought about a stupid but big potential reward strategy
Speculation wise there's this HK company called GCL-Poly Energy, the share is worth pennies right now. It has the potential to be subjected to high volatility and give significant profit if bought under a dollar.
Reason is
1 it's a chinese company and lots of novice investors consider the chinese market to be full of opportunities their interests especially goes towards penny stocks which end up overbought and inflated

2 chinese companies artificially pump their values through fraud and corruption, see Luckin Coffee's case which was just a scapegoat for the CCP

In my opinion the play to make here would be timing the different hype phases and get out right before the bubble collapsing.

It is very risky and my assumptions might be all wrong but I will try someday in the near future


Dude, I am buying oil right now. It is pennies on the dollar right now and unlike solar is actually economically viable and not deepened on china. Now that the OPEC trade war is more or less over as soon as the lockdowns end and the global economy gets going demand and price will go back up. The lower price of oil also massively lowers demand for solar.
Actually now that I think about it I might look into my budget to see if I can buy a few short options in the Asian solar sector. I don't normally like to short so it has to be money I am fine with losing, but it is a least worth checking out.


Sounds like gambling to me


because all of that money grab is for corporations not you. The fact that car industry is booming actually made an individual earning money from car industry harder as monopolies eventually form. Same goes for the web.


China and third worlders have destroyed any sort of ability to run online businesses. Anything you can charge they can undercut you and they don't care if they make almost no profit because their business is entirely family run and they're on benefits at the same time.

Making money online is now really difficult because it's so easy to do all of this stuff, you have to go extremely niche or get a personal fanbase by writing/making your own content. Which is a bad business since it depends on you constantly working at your maximum or losing your place.


I'm very much into online lotteries and sports betting. You can't really earn consistent money but when you do, it's life changing which is what we should achieve, imho. Would you choose guaranteed income of 5k usd a month for 10 years over let's say 300-400k instantly? Fast, one-time payment is always better for me and i think you should try to hit the jackpot instead of being an online wagecuck.


Very difficult to make this work. Way too easy to end up gambling more than you can afford and ending up fucked for it.


Can feel by brain cells dying reading this
What brings you to a stage in life where you think this is viable advice?


Not him, but as a gambler, utter dejection and hopelessness with temporary flashes of unfounded hope


He gives sound advice.


Buy buttcoin with your Trumpbux.


This site is interesting


It's an open forum so if someone is talking bs/trying to scam hes usually called out.

(If it says you're not allowed to view the forum anymore, go Tor)


Can you advise on how to navigate the site and link to the top five most helpful threads for making money online?


Working online is an absolutely terrible living for wizards. I dunno why so many people are so insistant about the idea, or why so many seemingly not-that-retarded wizzies will post the most obvious pajeet-tier scams and ask if they can really earn hundreds of dollars for worthless clicking with no social interaction.
Working online essentially means running your own business. That means high ambition, constant bullshit interaction with your customers, unstable income so you can never feel secure, constantly having to sell yourself. It's all the worst parts of work.

I don't know where you'd get the idea that
>this should be the golden age for disregarding other humans
Getting paid is fundamentally a transaction. If you sell something, be that goods or labour, somebody is buying it, and you have to interact with them. The Internet doesn't magically change the basic dynamic that you have to provide value to somebody in order for them to give you money.

We are in a golden age for hermits, but this is because bux exists in some parts of the world. The idea of the government letting you not work without starving to death is pretty new. Before the modern era, being a NEET was simply not a survivable option for the 99% of society that didn't luck into a family fortune.


>The Internet doesn't magically change the basic dynamic
Are you being dense on purpose?
The amount of transactions that human used to do are almost incalculably replaced by computers that have no humans on either end/ Looking further into ML and automation and you can see this trend continuing.
Technically, you could sit in front of a laptop with an internet connection and rake in millions without ever having to interact with another human being.


That's more theoretical. He's right that most client-based work would require skypeing/zoom/interaction, but it'd be easier to fake it in brief interactions as opposed to being at an office.

He's definitely right that you have to sell yourself in most cases.

The exception is bitcoin and daytrading really.


Whats your online bussiness?


Really depends on the online business. If you're running a web store or you're providing a general service, interactions with users is all done through order forms and support tickets. Some businesses are about servicing a handful of clients and that's where you need to communicate on a daily basis to understand their needs. Otherwise, it's not really difficult to abstract away interactions with your customers and just see them as accounts and numbers.


Basically this. If you want to understand how the internet works, read Propaganda by Bernays, and then Trust me I’m Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator by Ryan Holiday. Personally, I prefer to stay away from those kinds of activities and just be a NEET and stay anonymous, but if you want to manipulate the internet for profit it isn’t that difficult. Just look at what’s popular and gets attention and they copy that and then sell some trash commodities like ebooks, amazon books, stickers and t shirts, or whatever related to the niche you select.


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Fuck it, i'm gonna try and learn web development again FOR THE SIXTH TIME!!
Wish me luck wizzies, you already know how it's gonna go, i have made no real world changes or commitment, but expect something to be difference just because i decided it so.
I can see my own insanity, yet have not been able to overcome this.
I am either too weak too exploit others or just one of the few honest people still around, idk.


Just spent 10min on this and HOLY HECK i'm bored as shit.
Event listeners, redux expressions, selector methods, what is all this bullshit and how to i learn to care about it?
It feels like trying to bake a cake by learning molecular chemistry


It's just trendy javascript crap that has over-complicated pretty much every project I've worked on. It promises a lot with muh elegant functional programming but there's ridiculous amounts of boilerplate you have to write and it performs terribly. It gets painful to implement features unless you can automate with code generation or snippets.

Learn how to make a static web page with HTML/CSS.
Then learn regular vanilla JS, avoid libraries and trends.
Write small scripts that manipulates the page or fetches data and make it more dynamic.
Then learn about server-side backends, avoid NodeJS and other trendy crap.
C# with ASP.NET Core has caused the least amount of headaches.
Stuff like PHP is more simplistic but it's easy to screw yourself over with common exploits if you're not careful.

Not every website needs to be a modern single-page app turd.
Look at wizchan, it works with minimal amount of JS and it's fucking great.


Do projects, if you want something done then you'll care about the expressions to accomplish it. Once you do more things and see more programs you might even start to appreciate good design in and of itself.


Basically this. Like japanese websites that all look stuck in the 90s.

Modern bloated western websites are scat


>Learn how to make a static web page and then do all this shit which fucks it up
You can't bitch about modern standards when you yourself are guilty of the same bullshit. Unless you're serving video you have no need for anything beyond HTML in all but the most extreme cases. A page of text should just be a page of text, not full of tracking spyware and viral loads



crypto, op

i would use only a small amount if you are gonna swing trade it. hodling only works with significant amounts. if you only have 300 dollars you won't make shit. you will have to swing trade it(weekly) and accumulate money that way.


swing trading is very difficult so you want to start out with a small amount to get some practice in and to learn the know how


do you live in europe? just follow https://symfony.com/doc/current/setup.html , you can learn php on the fly, then learn laravel (it's a bit more difficult, but overall the same), and that's it, that is what %60 companies use for shitty "enterprise" systems and "apps"


if you don't like doing that, then you aren't really into it and aren't a fast enough learner. for people that can do it, it's fun for them and they enjoy overengineering shit. I like reading about web dev but hated working on my own projects. it was always easy for something to break and i'd go nuts after it. just too many parts to tie-in to make it worthwhile


From an engineering pov, this post is somewhat correct. But most jobs offers doesn't want good designs. See:
>Then learn regular vanilla JS, avoid libraries and trends.
>Write small scripts that manipulates the page or fetches data and make it more dynamic.
>Then learn about server-side backends, avoid NodeJS and other trendy crap.
>Stuff like PHP is more simplistic but it's easy to screw yourself over with common exploits if you're not careful.
Somewhat good advice if you want to make a good page. Tremendously bad if you want to get a job.
>C# with ASP.NET Core has caused the least amount of headaches.
This is actually a very good advice. There is currently a niche for .NET codemonkeys because of the cloud meme, although I'm skeptical about how long it will last.


I made that post from the stand point of making a website for yourself or your own business with the least amount of hassle. ASP.NET Core has a great set of tools and it will likely be supported for years.

If you just want to get a job, the trendy JS crap pays well because it's, well, trendy. Some of these frameworks have big companies behind them but people forget that you absolutely do not need all that bloat to make a nice looking responsive website in 2020.


This quarantine I've benn solving online tests for high school students and some from college. One of them paid me 22 usd; I know it is not much, but at least I'm earning something.


nice, i did my brother's online computer science thing for him when classes went online. i didn't know if i would be able to pass it or not so i didn't try to charge him but it was pretty easy. i should try charging next time i find someone


I've looked into it and most of the remote jobs now are focusing of full-stack javascript or back-end PHP development.
What do you think about that?
A part of it is learning code for the personal website, but another part of it is that i just need 2k a month to get the hell away from the place i am that i keeping me trapped as an imbecile.
What learning path is best for me if i just want a remote job as quick as possible for 24k a year?



I don't know. It's tempting to just recommend something like the MEAN stack, say take a bootcamp and produce some github projects. And it will probably lead to a well-paid job, a lot more than 24k.

But, will you actually be a good programmer? There's an entire generation of web programmers that completely disregards the fact that their code is executed on a real machine. There's a lot of money in JS but I wouldn't recommend it as a first language.


good programmers jeopardize corporate structures


All i want is 2k a month and to be left the hell alone by the world, by any means necessary


a remote position will likely involve video calls and other ways to monitor your activity. remote jobs aren't usually given to entry-level people.


How so?
Can you explain what you mean?


good programmers aren't easily replaceable


OP here, things like this are just sui-fuel for me
Tell me what i am missing??
18 year old starts trading, 2 years later has millions because he learnt how to click a mouse in certain patterns, then teach others how to good mouse click.


Then there is pajeet, who gave up a good job to LARP online about having a rare car dealership and managed to convince rich athletes to buy cars from him.
What kinda world do i exist in?
Do i need the lie and cheat my way to the top also?


no worries anon, you were plenty profound. this is literally the most important piece of advice


>Do i need the lie and cheat my way to the top also?

well, it is the traditional way.


Getting money without actually working for it (as in, being a leech) requires a high degree of social competence and charisma. This doesn't just apply to "get rich fast" internet schemes - many no-work meme jobs like HR or "media consultant"/whatever are also locked behind a tall wall of networking and small talk
Non-NEET wizards are forced to earn every last penny of theirs in actually essential jobs.


The keys are luck and not being afraid to fail.
Contrary to popular belief, luck is an objective factor that can be cultivated and improved with practices such as meditation, invocation of spirits and gods, and alteration of the fundamental beliefs that the ego holds.


why don't you learn a skill and work as an online freelancer? A skill that won't get rendered useless by GPT-3


You just wait til marketers get hand on GPT-3


Or some beehives in a warded backyard.

Also interesting the mention of those parasites who take their money only by sharing their knowledge, I mean, don't they look easy to sabotage?


What is your strategy for gambling?


I get there early and move around table to table and pretend to enjoy the "Casino Atmosphere" while I scope my target (usually a succ mid 40s to early 60s) I watch them throw away all the money they have on a slot then move in right behind them and start playing that machine. It's not a sure thing but I've won more money than I've lost doing this.


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OP here, trust me I no longer care about being righteous and moral. I'm too smart to live like this, suffering in this dark room while the absent-minded hoards continue to amass resources.
I'm going to study this book to the letter and then report back.
My weak constitution has held me back for long enough.
Is time for a change


And if this finally fails, then I'm going to become a Taoist instructor like I always wanted and do a complete 180 turn back to my original life philosophy.
But for now, it's gonna be another 2-3 of bashing my head against the wall trying to breakthrough into resources extraction of the normie world
Maybe all this head bashing is because I am not meant to interact with the normie world at all?
Yet how am I to know what, I could just be another youthful psuedo-intellectual who shuns that which shuns himself.
Smart enough to see all of my flaws, not smart enough to adapt in spite of them.


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I keep oscillating between wanting to be completely free of the money system and live in a cave, and wanting to go all out and parasite millions off the back of normgroids.
It would give me such pleasure to fraud money out of normgroids desire to fit in and be liked.
My uncle has a plan that i may get in on to help sell people on a particular industry that it looking to grow in the next 5 years, i may help him on this.
But still, whenever i do this, it's like i'm hurting myself too, because i'm using anger and hate to further my life. Essentially going to the dark side, but should i care?


>invocation of spirits and gods, and alteration of the fundamental beliefs that the ego holds
So crossing your fingers and hoping really hard?


My neighbor makes $20,000 a month selling her books an amazon and apple store. She's a bursting extrovert who has multiple books. All her books are fiction, and her newest is about the zodiac killer. She makes so much money that her husband doesn't work, and they have 3 kids and 3 houses (including vacation home in Florida). All their money comes from online sales of her books. I was astonished, because I've spent 7 years writing how-to books and self publishing them on amazon, but I've only made about $1000 in 7 years. That bitch is living my dream and to her "it's easy money", "spend 2 weeks writing the book and get $40,000 sales at Christmas". There are people living our dreams of no-human-interaction wealth building, but it sure as fuck hasn't worked out for me.


Only in a clown world could extroverts be the ones to hoard no-human-interaction money, and also for normie brains to be the only ones allowed to enjoy drugs. We are getting shafted to the nth degree from all sides.
Normies and groids will get more and better benefits, simply by being themselves.


It's because people like depcrabs have severe victim complexes and fatalistic outlooks that prevent them from achieving any sort of success or happiness.


>normie brains to be the only ones allowed to enjoy drugs
normies hate drugs because they are illegal


this is the benefit of being a normalfag
if you are one and think like one, you will know what they want to buy
so you can design the product you sell to be suiting their needs perfectly to maximize sales


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in 2015 i made an amazon kdp account and uploaded some books ripped directly off project gutenberg. i just ran them through some epub conversion tool or something and added cover art and made phony descriptions. they are public domain stuff so it's legal. they are all $0.99 and available internationally. i've attached my earning reports thing from amazon kdp dashboard. i've made $8.50 so far it seems. this sounds horrible but i spent maybe 3 hours total prepping those 5 books. i'm sure i could automate away most of the work and have this shit running continually. imagine uploading the every single book in the public domain. this is perfectly legal and allowed. by sheer numbers people will buy or rent or do the free-read thing (which pays based on how much they read.)

if you aren't creating or stealing original content, it seems to basically be a numbers game.

since i already have this amazon shit set up i might as well continue the experiment and proceed to phase 2. i'll spend THE NEXT YEAR uploading public domain books. the goal is one book per day. if 5 books in 5 years earns $8.50, that is $1.70 per year per shitty public domain book across a 5 year timespan. uploading 1 book every day should net me $625 by the end of the year, and this will be passive, meaning even if i stop that amount should keep coming in AT BEST, at worst it just decreases by some amount but still some money comes in.


you cant use project gutenberg though right? Cuz their licence makes it illegal to resell their books correct?
Where do you get the books


another question, do the ebooks epub need to be text or picture of a text.
Like in some pdf's you can search for text and in some its just scans of books so you can't, does this matter at all?


Richfags love to lie about their inherited wealth and LARP as some crypto/stocks lord. Rags to riches shit is fake.


it's public domain works. gutenberg can suck a big fart. i dont give a shit if volunteers spend time proofreading and making it look pretty. they are just ocr'ing shit off archive.org and claiming it as their own. if you are seriously worried you just have to donate 20% of what you make

seems you dont even need epub now. stuff should be text though yes. you can submit word processor docs too

a warning though, amazon scrapes gutenberg and generates free kindle versions. you have to race against that if you want to do new stuff. doing older stuff is 90% going to fail. you have to differentiate it from other stuff by adding pictures or illustrations or shit. ive done the opposite though by only submitting the text and calling it abridged versions and stupid shit. just search for classics of literature. note the redundant listings, they are slightly different. thats all you have to do. you can call them special versions, compile multiple books together and call it complete edition


>Rags to riches shit is fake.
Since spring of 2019 my investment/trading account has grown from 11k CAD to 162k, without trading short dated options. Earlier this year I tried to give investment advice here only to be berated by numerous people so I just don't bother anymore.

You're free to believe that it's just luck and that no one will beat the market long term but it's simply not true. People who find success in this regard don't need to sell you a book or a trading course, they just quietly go about their lives and they have nothing to gain by talking about it.


thx for the info

do you also try to produce original content?

How do you promote your stuff?


Can you at least tell me your method then?
I am willing to learn, pls i can't go through another 15 years like this


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It's not that simple, no one on the planet can teach you to be good at this if you're not cut out for it and the vast majority of people just aren't, including most of the wizzies here. In my estimation there are two key qualities, one is rationality which will determine if you're going to buy stocks with a higher probability of beating the market or trash like oil companies, physical metal, and obvious pump and dumps. You need to be able to discern how the various industries are shifting and what technologies will be leading them into the future. This will automatically favor you towards better companies but there is hell to pay if you can't do it yet try anyway.

The second quality is how well you disassociate with money and separate from your emotions, as well as how well you manage risk. This will influence if you panic sell a good stock or if you buy the top of a terrible one because of fear of missing out. The greater market is constantly manipulating everyone into doing the opposite of what they should be doing and you're its prey. Some amount of disassociation with money or emotion is good but you can't be so autistic that you're unable to predict how other people will react to certain events.

If you don't have the above qualities, you can still fairly easily make some money but you won't be able to beat the market or actively trade. This usually requires you to have more starting capital or steady income because the return is much lower but you don't have to do anything, just buy and hold. The US stock market has historically returned between 7-10% a year annually and you can match this through simply buying an index ETF. Your returns are compounding and it's not intuitive how quickly it adds up. For example, if you saved 10k a year for ten years wage slaving and received a 8% annual return with your index ETFs, you would have around 180k at the end of it which should be enough to provide a welfare level of retirement if you live off just the return minus inflation. You would be around average in terms of income if you moved to poorer countries like those in Eastern Europe. If the period is 20 years, you would have over half a million and a much better standard of living. Ideally you could save much more. This of course assumes that the market doesn't crash and never recover but everyone would be fucked in that situation.

I understand that ten years plus years of low income work is extremely daunting to some of the people here that can barely maintain basic function but I never said I had any answers. This is sacrilege in the investment community but there is one way without actively trading or catching the best stocks to make a much higher return than 7-10% but you would be taking on much more risk and you can only do it in a bull market, which is a market where most stocks generally go up. It's possible to buy leveraged index ETFs and see returns as high as 40% annually. You would be playing with fire but sometimes you can do that without being burned.


So how did you exactly make 1000%+ return on your money?
You must have had strategies to beat the market
If you can at least train one wizard like me, you would have done a good deed


Any opinion on crypto? What kind of trading did you do exactly, day trade, momentum, etc. thanks


Giving you a strategy would just give you an excuse to lose your money which is why I won't do it. There is no 'one trick for a 1000% gain' just like there is no 'one trick to enlarge your penis' or whatever bullshit. Most of the people with a large penis simply were born with one and most of the people who made a lot of money in the stock market are just inherently good at it or more commonly they're just very lucky. Strategy optimizes performance but there is no real strategy that would make the average person beat the market or else everyone would be using it. Nearly everyone can't stick to a strategy because their decisions are governed by greater factors like greed and fear of losing money. Telling them to practice good risk management and to take profit is just wasted on them.

For example, a lot of my gain this year came from selling my stocks before the market crashed in March and buying them back closer to the bottom, which may seem obvious to have done but was no means obvious at the time and very few people did it. Traditional advice would have told me that it was impossible to time the market so I may as well not try and nine out of ten times I would have been forced to buy back at a higher price but that wasn't the case here. Common alternative advice would have had me buying shiny pieces of metal, hoarding dried food and hand sanitizer, and not buying back in until the market crashed 80% or some absurd amount. It wasn't any one strategy that influenced me, it was looking carefully at the situation, projecting how Covid would impact us and how people were going to react to it and subsequent market crashing. I knew it was unlikely for me to catch the exact bottom so I bought back in early and had to see weeks of being down severely, but it was easy for me to resist selling because my understanding of the situation and my natural temperament. I'm no oracle and the next time I may not be so insightful, but this only happened because of above average ability and that cannot be distilled into simple advice that would make you money. Cut your own path if you're interested, there's no shortage of resources and anyone can get a brokerage account or a practice account.
I have no good opinion on crypto as I haven't been following it. I have less than one Bitcoin I bought when it was under $1000 but I'm too lazy to even decide if I want to sell it. I have day traded in the past and done okay but I think it's sub-optimal because you're losing a lot of the upward bias of the market and thus your edge. A lot of the upward movement happens overnight instead of during the day. It's like betting against the house, especially if you have to pay commissions on top of it.

There is no magic here, mostly just the right stock at the right time without being influenced too much by emotion. I do some momentum swing trading of leveraged ETFs and key growth stocks with a good future so I'm willing to let it go the other way longer than most people would which has been protective in this volatile market but obviously very risky if I'm not right about the long term direction or the macro climate. I won't lie, a lot of my return came from just buying and holding growth stocks in disruptive industries before the retail and institutional investors fully catch on. I was very early on TSLA when I bought it at a $220 average and I've already taken four times my original investment from it in realized profit so please save any talk about bubbles. I don't use much technical analysis outside of basic support and resistance as well as price action, and I try to keep taking profit regardless of how I feel about a stock. If I ever get a 100% gain, I sell half and let the rest ride which positions me very well to catch most of the upside while limiting risk. I never short a stock or use short dated options. I could probably do fairly well with short dated options but I've been doing so well I don't see a good reason to take on more risk and I've actually been playing it more safely as my account grows instead of assuming I can go on like this forever. This is work for me and I wouldn't be interested in stocks if I wasn't profiting from it. If I hit a million I'll probably retire from active trading/investing and find another way to waste my life.


The internet has only been around since the 90s, so not a lot of people actually make money from the internet.



Buy and hold. Day trading is for bots.

Best thing todo is to buy and sell for other people on exchanges and change a fee, 5-10% is common. Ive been doing this on localbitcoin and localmonero for a while and pay my rent. Just make sure to keep things strictly business and have some personal policy, there are lots of scammers out there.

Be really careful about buying anything outside of the realm of utility (bitcoin, monero, litecoin). Only trade currencies where you see actual usage, buying and selling other smaller cap coins is risky for both you and the buyer. ALL MONEY IS KINDA A SCAM, so stick to the bigger ones and you wont be that shady dude for pushing some pump and dump coin.

That said, a coin like wownero did 10x jumps 3 times this year and all of their developers will make fun of you if you buy it, actually referring to selling their WOW as 'scamming' yet it has some of the strongest currency fundamentals of any cryptocurrency out there and funnily enough much of the same dev team as monero. My take is use caution and don't be afraid to learn something about the tech and team your buying into. If you want to get your hands dirty and make real money help develop, test, document, or market your investments.


Making money with programming skills is not hard at all. I don't really know what you were trying to do, but there is always a shitload of jr web developer jobs available which don't require very much knowledge. If you have a lot of time on your hands, you should be able to learn enough to get one within a few months of studying.


There are a few options:

1. Actually try hard to improve a skill until you can create something of value. Fail for years and slowly improve and figure out what works until you can actually gain success.

2. Join the dishonest grifters and make trash and figure out some way to optimize it into an algorithm that will force it down the throats of people

3. Do some combination of 1 and 2 to try to manipulate algorithms in a way that makes people interested in whatever your hobby is.

4. Get lucky with some kind of risky thing like crypto investments or gambling


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I make about $8 per day passively on the aliexpress affiliate program. Cookie stuffing.

I know a guy who makes something like $200 a day on this. And his source of people to cookie-stuff to is from a very simple program to make.


That's actually pretty genius.

How does 'cookie stuffing' work? As far as I know, you can't attach cookies from a different domain, so you have to make the user visit a link through a pop-up or some kind of redirect. Any way to do it unobtrusively and quietly?

Also, do you have some kind of website that attracts traffic?


Please teach us how to do this wizzie i'm serious, this could help a lot of us here



To do it obtrusively, you could just open a window with the affiliate address and close it after it loads.

I'm not using a website.

Sorry, you'll have to figure the rest out for yourself.


How am i supposed to figure this out by myself??
You come here and brag about your successes and don't provide anything useful, the worse kind of wizbragger


Not that wiz but I'm sure you realize cookie stuffing is illegal? He doesn't need one more guy using the exact same cheating methods he's using. The more people doing it, the earlier the website catches up. You can even get jail time for doing that stuff, no wonder he's not telling you anything.


How? How did the first person come up with it?
By thinking? Trial and error? Researching?

I posted this to give you guys an idea, another viable way of making money online. And I told you one simple way of doing it obtrusively.

I'm not going to share everything I know, that would be self-defeating behaviour.


The secret to investing? Use other people's money.


Online friends encouraged me to quit my warehouse job I was enslaved at for years and told me to do data entry.
I did it but now I don't know if I'll get hired at them when I apply.
I saw jobs for the Census Bureau that pay well for no experience but everyone applies to those.
Data entry is what I'm going to try to do because I can't use my car anymore. I have to figure out something before my savings run out in 5 months.


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No, the secret to investing and what most people are simply too dumb to realize is that returns are compounding so relatively small amounts will grow into huge sums of money if given enough time and providing that the US stock market behaves as it has since inception. This is why I have zero sympathy for older wagecucks who wasted their life working yet have nothing to show for it and younger people with high paying jobs that can't manage to become financially independent.

-Figure out how much you can start investing with
-Figure out how much you can afford to contribute each year, if anything
-Put it into this calculator and assume about an 8% a year return if you're invested 100% in index ETFs



What about inflation?


It definitely reduces the effective return but since the average return is higher than inflation index investing still works perfectly fine. You only run into problems when you have a very low return, such as with GIC or bond investing. That is part of the reason why so much money instead flows into the stock market, there is no good alternative and it's positive feedback loop.

I didn't add this as to not overcomplicate my original post but over the last decade the indices moved over 10% annually so two percent inflation would have been priced into the 8% average annual return figure I suggested. Real inflation is probably slightly higher than 2% but not nearly as high as the numbers some people throw around.


>over the last decade
Small correction, it's also over longer periods of time in certain indices. The S&P 500 index has returned around 10% since 1926. The NASDAQ Composite index will likely have fairly high returns going into the future.


Does your money make you happy?


Literally everyone knows this, it is no secret. it doesn't mean you can magically have savings to put in and enough money to live well at the same time. Dumb wagecucks dont earn much or have high expenses like families. There is also a very serious risk that it doesnt continue to behave as it has in the past; past returns do not indicate future returns, and the world is going to shit. There are many other opportunities than just stocks


>Does your money make you happy?
I've never really been happy regardless of my circumstances. My portfolio is high risk so I barely consider what I have in my account to be the equivalent of real money that I could use for something. I've always been very frugal so my expenses have remained low. I only buy necessities and rarely go out.

However, going from having almost no money to having a bit of a safety net has improved my life and made me feel better. Being broke makes you focus on small problems that could be cleared off your plate with a bit of money. It's like having a house that leaking and not being able to fix it.

I have to point out that even if money won't make you happy, it's not an excuse for not investing. Most things won't make you happy, most people aren't that happy. It takes very little time for anyone to learn the basics of investing then buy a few index ETFs and let them sit there.


I wonder is it possible to go to op shops and buy cheap stuff and sell it online or to cash converters (retail pawnbroking)

I've heard of people doing this but I don't know how it works. I guess you'd need to have a good eye for value and what sells.


also, waiting fucking 30 years is boring as fuck
even 10 years doesnt net you a lot of money
it's a matter of time frame
getting money now is x1million time better than getting money when you're an old man who might even die way before getting to that age

compound interest is shit because we have finite lives, everybody knows this


I don't understand why you would cope this hard instead of just realizing that you're incapable of delayed gratification. Someone with a median income could live frugally and get enough to retire in ten years which is a very short period of time relative to the average human lifespan. People with high income can do it within five years. It's likely that ten years from now you're going to be complaining about being broke and your situation would still be hopeless, but that has nothing to do with if compounding is effective.


Very true. I'd rather enjoy my life while im healthy and have energy.

Personally I was suicidal but making money until my late 20s. I had no choice but to finally start spending big and moving out on my own because i was imminently suicidal staring at a bag of fentanyl. I wish I didnt wait so long

It's a balancing act and there are more important things than money. I think the vast majority of people actually postpone enjoying their lives for too long, retiring with a big stash of money in their 60s.

I heard that someone working with old people said so many people work their whole lives then die right when they are ready to retire with a lot of savings.


not an online thing but look into adverse possession. only viable in certain states if you want to take over houses, but most states you can establish squatter's rights after a month or so. the process of eviction becomes a lengthy legal shenanigan at that point and most people, especially in cities, try to just bribe the person to leave so they can get rid of their unwanted tenant. if you really wanted to get into the grey area you could establish squatter's rights and then rent it out like on air bnb and shit lol


care to explain to a retarded wizard what investing in the internet means? and how exactly do you gain money from it?
thank you


>a high yield savings
How do I find one of these? My local bank has really shitty interest rates.




>which is a very short period of time relative to the average human lifespan
It's like a sixth of your adult life if you're one of the lucky ones who a) survives to 80 and b) isn't in a home shitting in diapers by that point. That's not "very short".
It's also the best sixth of it physically and mentally by far, since you have no choice but to frontload your working years. Your 30s won't be too bad but decay kicks in hard in your 40s and 50s and by the time you pass into traditional retirement age even happy-go-lucky norman boomers are just idling time waiting until they die.


You're correct. I think something not often talked about is how much better success is as an experience when it happens for the young. There's no universal specific age for when life loses some of its spring/summertime energy, when the highest potential for depth of subjective experiences starts to dim, etc but you can certainly say that 18 is not 25, 25 is not 35, etc. Many people will ardently claim to feel better at 30 or 40+, but in terms of physical and mental shape, it's sort of a stretch. The old quote "if a mathematician hasn't left their mark by 30/40 they never will" comes to mind. Not very long to save, but not very long does the high vitality state last, either.

Also, obviously we are Wizards here, but if you did ever want to have sex, there's hardly a better time for it at 18, at least for men, and yet this is precisely when it's hardest to get laid for those males who aren't tall, good looking, charismatic, etc. By the time those guys have enough status to become attractive to w o m e n, the sexual prime has passed for many - dick pills are necessary for round two, maybe some days you don't feel like it, etc. A far cry from the intensity of teenage lust…passion dies out, it's more transactional, etc. The body struggles to maintain its peak sexual functioning past the end of early adulthood.

So I think that's a pretty powerful fact of the world which serves to demotivate people from buckling down and saving starting at say, 20 or 25 - ages young enough that there's room for forgiveness for not having yet developed an understanding of the benefits of a miserly lifestyle, investing, etc, but old enough that the peak is already passed or soon to arrive for the average person.

None of that is to say that it's not a good idea to save, because age 35 or 40 isn't as geriatric as I'm making it out to be, and you need to not be homeless and ideally relatively comfortable for another 30 or so years even then, but eh. There is a certain amount of wisdom in "life fast, die young".


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It's disingenuous to only consider adulthood. Ten years is 1/8th of the average male lifespan who is currently 65 years old, someone younger will likely live years beyond that. However, the main problem with your argument is that you assume that the whole ten year period is wasted when at worst it would only be about 40 hours a week compared to a NEET or for the working population, only the hours worked that amount to the income saved needed to retire, which would be about a third. The sum of this is a short period of time.

We also have to adjust for standard of living. I'm assuming you live off your parents or you're on welfare so your lifestyle isn't equal to working people with more disposable income. To match this lifestyle you would need much less capital and you could retire in a shorter period of time. There are plenty of ways to bring housing costs down or you can move to a country with a lower average income where you would basically be middle class. There are plenty of decent South American, Eastern European and Asian countries with an average of net income of less than $5000 USD annually.

Finally, I don't fucking care. Investing may not be for you, it's irrelevant. If you can't or refuse to save money, it is also irrelevant. Every time investing gets brought up on this site it only gets replies by spoiled wizkids writing blogs about how it's not for them and they either lack the self awareness or are narcissistic enough to believe that it goes for everyone else as well. More independent people or those who spent time in terrible living conditions like the homeless tend to recognize the value of being financially independent or at least having enough money you don't have to beg for food when your parents kick you out. Ignore it at your own peril.


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It's impossible to just magically get residency in cheap countries

You have said absolutely nothing of value.

Telling frugal neets 'just get a high or median income and save' helps nobody.

Investing is something you can do when you already have money. The problem is getting started.

It's like you think you're talking to idiot normies that waste their money partying


You don't need residency, some countries allow for virtually unlimited tourist visas and you simply just have to make a run to the border. Otherwise you can just travel to another cheap country at the end of the period, often they're right next to each other.
>You have said absolutely nothing of value.
Motherfucker, this thread is about how to make money online. I already wrote at length about how I do it and what the average person can expect when investing. You've done nothing but blog post and act offended that I even suggested it and somehow had the audacity to imply you could get a job. No one cares that you're not interested, you're not interested about the other money making methods in the thread but yet you're not shitposting about them. The difference is that talk of investing always offends retarded people who act put out that it's not applicable to them and can't manage to just disregard the information.
>Telling frugal neets 'just get a high or median income and save' helps nobody. The problem is getting started.
You're ignoring the part where I specifically talked about minimum wagecuckery. That is where I got my starting capital, I worked full-time minimum wage while living on my own and still managed to save 10k a year. You are not being forced to try to do the same and I'm actually glad you're privileged enough to live your spoiled wizkid life where your parents take care of your every need and you don't have to worry about being kicked out, but don't be so spoiled that you refuse to understand why some people have to consider an alternative option that doesn't involve either working for the next 45 years or being homeless.


shouts go out to you for trying to better the financial status of fellow wizbros. it is sad that some negativitst will always find a way to just call it useless and give up.
of course getting a job is the worst case for many people but I think this is only because they don't have their goal in mind. Like when you go to work thinking
>I do this to earn money so I can buy a food truck so I can have my own takeaway business
you will do it easier because you have a goal in sight and the nearer you are to your goal the more motivation you have. Without a goal your job just becomes retarded grinding.
and naturally you should only use entry level jobs as an inbetweener. being a burger flipper is not a career. it is intended for high schoolers who want to earn some extra pocket money

Also the other problem for many is that they can only get minimum wage jobs so they barely get by month after month and see no point in continuing a job they hate just to get by. But of course this is the wrong mindset. The correct one would be
>how do I earn more
and it usually revolves around either doing dirt work that others don't want to do or getting an education / traiding / a trade
or what some people do is they use their normal job as safety while doing their own online business or freelance work in their free time to earn some extra money

This is why I always recommend apprentices to learn a trade (for the ones who are good with their hands) as soon as possible or to get a degree that pays well (engineering, compsci, for the ones who have 2 left hands)
It is a big difference if you waste 10 years of your life earning nothing or if you have 100K saved by that time already. For a frugal person 100 grand is like a million to a normie.
Also dear youngfags. learn to live the immigrant life. That means, live at your parent's for as long as possible, pool the costs and save as much as possible.
Don't waste your money on games, manga or anime. Having 10'000 dollars stuffed in your shelf serves you no real function in life and could be invested much more wisely.
These games/dvds can be downloaded or streamed for free and when you finally decide to sell your merch on ebay you will find out you only get half of what you paid for.

>all that hate for investing (stock market gambling)

this is literally how the wall street goons are doing it.
if it works for them it must be possible for anyone who knows how to play the game by their rules.
that means to know when to sell and buy (doing what they do too).
and yes you need starting capital and this is what your job is for
work is a necessary evil to get yourself started.

yes, if you cannot prove how you will fund your life there. nobody wants some bum in his country
but if you show them that you have a bank account full of money they will welcome you even. just like they do in thailand
even if it is only for a few years. you just renew this every now and then. or like he said, you just move on to the next country


Incorrect, if you check the rules, thailand needs like 2k a month, 30k in thai bank to even be considered for this shit
Countries are cucking travellers hard at the moment, they should just let all white people travel free everywhere


>Ryan Holiday
I don't understand how people can take people like Ryan serious when he's clearly lying. Same with Tim Ferris, he's really popular for some reason too.


People take them seriously because your average normie is not very bright.
And because they tend to offer lots of easy quick-fix magic solutions with absurd results, people don't want to believe they're lying.
If you promise people they can get ripped in 6 months by exercising 15 minutes a day or make $10000/month working from home on their computer without even starting a business, you WILL sell copies of whatever you're hawking because people so desperately want to believe you that they will block out rational objections because the false hope is worth more to them than whatever you're charging for your advice.


They generate a fear of missing out. Skepticism is diminished because it creates the thought in the back of their head "What if they're right and I'm losing out on easy money?"


Once you get that precious money and buy that shit you wanted - despare and frustration gonna crawl inside again. You'll never be satisfied, thats a human desing for you.


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Just take the merchant pill, stupid goyim
I am making a ton of money right now selling cheap shit I jewed from the chinks


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who is buying that at a mark up?


what's your tax record workflow like, the softare you use? that is what fucked me when i was selling stuff online and i quit. i've been ithout income since so it sucks.


How did you jew them? How??


I never paid any tax in my life
I'm just a stupid wizkid neet


someone posted a link on 4chong /csg/ thread



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i really want to make at least a bit money by doing anime-style drawings, even though the competiton gets tighter every day, i am getting older fast and i have no clue how to market myself, i can still only draw amateurish at best, but it is the only thing i still like doing.

so for now the plan is to draw some fanarts and upload them everywhere, maybe finish some small 2d animation loops or something i don't know


Pick a niche, get a patreon, tag your works with a name. That's how everyone does it.


The only way to make money quickly with that is drawing porn and furry stuff. If you can't compete with top artists and are already set up there forget about it, it will take years if not forever


you will have to sell your soul for actually making money this way. see


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I honestly would draw porn if everything else fails, and I have been drawing again for a few years already as a hobby, much of it depends on how much better I can still get of course

And even then the chance is very slim to get recognized yeah, it's just that I give up on everything else almost immediately, while I am still passionate about drawing, all I can do is try until my self-doubt is finally crushing me for good


If you're living with your parents and don't need to worry about money then you have all the time you need to improve and make it happen.


same but i've had to pay tax, how have you not paid tax? when you have transactions totaling over like $20k paypal reports you to irs. i guess it depends what country you are from? i didn't keep track of my shit so when they emailed me saying i reached that point i panicked and wondered what i needed to do

anyway you motivated me. i checked into my ebay and paypal and they both seem good still. i'll sell off all the old stuff i have from years ago and then use that to start another business but this time i'll be properly tracking my sales so hopefully it doesnt bite my ass and scare me away like before. i ordered packaging and should be selling again in a week


A lot of people actually start drawing porn to get in the scene. In Japan several mangakas started drawing doujins


>anyway you motivated me
>i ordered packaging and should be selling again in a week
nice. good luck, friend.
>ebay and paypal and they both seem good still
I think it's sad that you are forced to use paypal when using ebay.
Their jewish fees are really insane, being some 10% per order. It really hurts to see my hard jewed money go to their jewry scheme everytime I get a payment.
Don't know if it's still active, as I remember they have gotten some backlash for it, but they intruduced even more insane policies recently, being when you return money they keep those 10% from the fees.
It's really outragious. Nobody should be using PayPal. But we have no other choice, us poor, honest merchants…
>how have you not paid tax
I will have to probably, when parents force me to wagecuck or something.


Im living as a neet on bucks which covers my rent and food. For actual money to spend on whatever i feel like buying i just do surveys. It pays pretty shit but i tried one day to calculate my earning per hour over a 6 hour time. What I came to find out was that I were making 6 bucks an hour. It doesnt sound like a lot but with my other expenses covered, whenever I wanted to buy something online I'd fill out bullshit on surveys for like 3 hours and have enough money to buy some video game or whatever it was that I felt like buying. I just go numb, and listen to music and watch youtube. In the beginning I got disqualified a lot mid survey which pissed me off but I eventually figured out the meta. The key is to make up a person you use for all your surveys which is an ideal consumerist. I always fill out that im a 30 year old succubus with no kids. Then I fill out some bullshit about which wine is better or whatever for 5 minutes and get a dollar in bitcoin


is that something like amazon mechanical turk? haven't tried that yet


Which site is that?


>The key is to make up a person you use for all your surveys.
Sound advice. Three or fours years ago someone suggested prolific. It was nice to earn some pocket change and the studies were not so bad for the most part, but definitely do not give your real personal information. I ended up deleting my account as I realised there was too much real information I filled out and it made me uneasy. Probably too late anyway but I would never do the same mistake ever again.


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Crab mentality

The biggest disservice you or any other aspiring hobbyists is listening to this shit. Just keep working and learning about your hobby. The worst you can do is get into this mental trap of "making it" or whatever. Worrying will keep you from doing.


The worst part about making money online is the tax part. 9/10 times you're going to get paid through Paypal which takes its own cut and then if you want to take that money to your bank account, you have to fill out convoluted tax forms or even register a company, just so you can earn the privilege of giving the government literally half of your hard-earned money.

Stuff like cryptocurrencies is too complicated for the majority of people, so good luck getting paid through that shit, and when you turn it back into fiat you'll probably get your transaction flagged anyway unless you do a cash exchange.

Any of you find ways of getting around taxes? It seems a lot of you don't pay them, but it will eventually bite you in the ass if the pigs sniff you out.

I've considered buying crypto with Paypal despite the shit exchange rate, but I'm not sure if any authority is privy to Paypal's transactions unless they go through a bank.


It's not Crab mentality, it's reality


>giving the government literally half of your hard-earned money
the trick is not work hard, that way you dont feel bad at all about money being taken away from you, because you didn't even work for it. in that respect i feel the goal should be generating passive income


What I do is that I buy phones on aliexpress that are not available on my country (so they have good demand) I bought a phone for $520 the other day and sold it for $670 and it's quite decent money considering that all I have to do is print a DHL tracking guide and paste it on a box.


>the trick is not work hard

That's true, I guess. Tax evasion, while profitable, also requires time and effort, and likely produces more stress in the long-term than just being an honest goy.

Honestly, I just wish they made this stuff easier. Haven't they figured out that the convoluted forms and bureaucracy just makes it less likely people will pay their taxes?


Tax evasion is very annoying.

I have become a serial tax evader since making some hundreds of thousands worth of crypto, in a jurisdiction where my tax would now be so enormous that it would bankrupt me.

Use Monero (a private cryptocurrency). You can get cash or do bank transfers with peer-to-peer platforms like localmonero.com, localcryptos, Bisq, hodlhodl.com. Some countries have ATMs where you can get cash anonymously.

In the end it is a huge inconvenience, and it is terrible to live with the stress. If your tax is 'only' 20-30% I would say it is better to just pay it. There is a huge cost to tax evading: in terms of time, psychological and financial costs. I have lots of crypto but still struggle just to live since I am afraid of setting off red-flags


well you can always become a sole proprietorship, where you become the business, and your taxes are nothing strange, it's the same personal taxes you do every year


what crypto should i buy for 15$ as a noob?


Stop cryptobaiting, it's not funny


i was serious and wanted to randomly invest the minimum into something, but now i am not interested anymore, don't have a creditcard and there is just too much to learn first


15$ is not an investment.


then there's a different word for it, i don't care actually


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The mere thought of working on my own as self-employed stresses me even moar


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Is there a way to have an online shop to sell my (crappy) homemade products without paying monthly fees? I bought a domain and wanted to have the simplest possible Web page, just a pic of the product with a short description and a buy now button, but I can't find a way to accept payment that doesn't require monthly fees. Shopify etc make you pay monthly fees and considering I have no money I can't pay monthly fees. I'd like to pay a percentage of each sale rather than fixed monthly fees. I researched and all I can find are useless answers like "just use shopify". I don't have 1000 products, just one product (cannabis pipes I make) and I expect 1 or 2 dales a month, which would put me in debt and make the entire venture pointless if I have to pay monthly fees. It seems like all the people with online businesses were already rich before starting them, how the fuck do you pay monthly fees when your sales are zero and your just starting out. It is pretty damn depressing when I get a sudden burst of creativity and make a saleable product with my hands, but then there's no way to sell it without already having money.


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I think Etsy is the most popular site for selling handmade stuff.


>videos, gotta fool Youtube into showing your videos and fool people into seeing ads. Hoodwinking, tomfoolery, mystery, I hate it all. Nobody is ever honest about anything at all in their entire lives. Every single thing on the internet is a fucking trick. Nothing means what anyone says it means. Everything is a smokescreen to hide an agenda of some kind.

This right here is one of the big reasons why I've wanted to kill myself since I was a child. I hate how this is the way the world functions.


I only live off the funds I deposited to ewallets and no red flags so far. I also pay rent in cash by withdrawing funds from said ewallet with their prepaid Mastercard.

I have around 220k there from various schemes to funnel funds from normans to me, accumulated since 2009.


Please don't wiztease us and help us!

We need bux too!


what kind of stuff do you make?


and what kind of person is buying all this shit?
It just sounds too good to be true, just gluing some shit together and selling it online…


>and what kind of person is buying all this shit?
The same kind of person who donates to streamers. People with more money than sense who live in the 1st world. The thing is that there are so many people competing your chances of turning a profit are low. Also you have to be able to make something people want just "gluing some shit together" isn't gonna cut it.


All of that is linked to your name, or what service gives you a card without id? in any case which do you use, these are things like webmoney or yandex?

If y ou mean literally paying rent with physical cash you must be in some cheap country like in eastern europe, nobody would let me do that


I hope you posted that through tor with a proxy


>15 years
>started in 2005
Too late.


Yeah, I've worked for tradesmen in the past multiple times and they have no patience for you if you can't do things quickly and perfectly.
All of them thought I was mentally handicapped and yelled at me, I've had times where I was ripped off for my last pay day.


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I'm going to attempt to start etsy shop to sell the cannabis pipes I make. I've only made one and it's crappy but if I could get even one sale it would give me motivation. Now what I need is the motivation to sign up, I don't have PayPal and I don't want those jews getting my phone number and bank data. I'm also too scared to read etsy's rules, they might not let you sell cannabis paraphernalia which would sink me before I even get started. I just don't understand how people are making thousands of dollars each month with online businesses and it's so easy for them. I've tried so hard for over 10 years and I am no better off than when I started. I'm at the end of my tether and my motivation is almost totally gone, I'm several years past being a wizard but I still hope I can turn my life around.


If you can make them quickly and in decently high quantities then go for it, I had a search on Etsy and other people are selling them. The competition is pretty high on Etsy but also it's a huge market, not too far behind Amazon (Where you can also sell pipes). Amazon is a bigger market as a whole but for hand-crafted stuff on Etsy you can make nice sale quantities, and they don't take a huge chunk out of each order, plus the advertising fees are not bad. Just keep in mind the competition is high so you need a good product and your profit margin won't be amazing. It's worth it, working and making money from home is really as good as you'd hope it to be


I've heard about poojets indonesians and Filipinos making a lot of money using dropshipping to sell products they don't even have in stock to retards in 1st world countries.

They basically flood the market with their chink shit using scammy tricks on Facebook and that, it seems that people like us with proper judgement would find this ve ry hard but since poojets are mostly out o options they try their hand at scamming people like this.


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How do I make money on the internet?

I have $10,000 in savings (it's in a high yield savings account in an online bank) and $10,000 (already 2x since my initial investment) in the cryptocurrency AGI (SingularityNET). I'm hoping to make at least $250,000 in my cryptocurrency investment before even thinking about converting it to make interest on it using DEFI (decentralized finance).

Any advice?


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well here's an update. to no one's surprise my initial prediction based of a sample of 5 ebooks was wrong, my idea that each book would earn $1.70 per year. instead what seems to be happening is im $3 per month, that is $0.10 per month per ebook, $1.20 per year possibly?

this sounds like shit money, and it is, but i cannot describe how low effort this is, it's now maybe 20 minutes of work per day. if the $3 per month increase thing keeps holding true, in 2 years my passive income will be around $100, and the yearly over $1000 which will be actually amazing for a poverty neet like myself

so i'm almost at the 2 month mark, it should be around $6/mo by then. i will check back in after another 2 months. at that point in time it should be $12/mo. should be interesting


Anyone have any luck selling apps or games?

I have read statistics that 82% of indie game developers make less than minimum wage and that 50% make no more than a few hundred dollars in a year. Even worse, my desire is to go about making games in the most autistic manner possible. I dislike modern game engines and want to program games for long-dead 8-bit computers in assembly language. I want to pretend that it's the 1980's. I also have zero artistic abilities or imagination. My chances of making money are nil.

I would try web dev but I am afraid of interacting with clients and I don't want to earn third-world wages doing something I don't even enjoy.

Everything seems like a dead end with no possibility of monetary reward or gainful employment.


I think your best bet is to create generic mobile games and fill them with ads.


>I dislike modern game engines and want to program games for long-dead 8-bit computers in assembly language. I want to pretend that it's the 1980's. I also have zero artistic abilities or imagination. My chances of making money are nil.

look up zachtronics games for ideas on how 'assembly coding' can be made into a game itself

if that doesn't interest you and you just want to make old shitty games in assembly or on 8bit computers, you can try instead doing it in a fantasy console such as pico-8 or tic-80. they have arbitrary constraints you would appreciate and everyone expects the games to be somewhat shitty as well


This wiz has lost about 200 bucks in crypto since this post. My crypto of choice, tezos, has not faired well either in this time period.


So I've made some progress with the cannabis pipes. I've done a lot of experimentation to see what I am actually able to make and not make. There are 3 models of pipe I will offer as I can make them decent quality and fairly quickly. My plan is to make an example of each pipe and then take photos. After that I'll deal with the whole signing up to etsy/PayPal bullshit.


nice. good luck, anon


I tried to post this yesterday but it didn't post:

Problems on the etsy front. I haven't signed up yet but I did a little research and apparently you need at least 20 products  (or variations of the same product) if you want to get sales. Etsy uses an algorithm to place your products, and if you have less than the 'magic number 20' you're listing get shoved out of view. Also the algorithm penalizes you if you don't add new products everyday. So if you have eg. 20 pipe designs, you should list one per day instead of all 20 on the same day. My original idea of listening 3 pipe designs is thus invalid. Further, I'm at a huge disadvantage because I'm not American. The shipping prices in my country are far more than in usa and that means I can't compete with usa sellers' prices. So why the fuck would anyone buy my crappy pipes when they can buy a better quality usa pipe while simultaneously saving at least $20 on shipping? I've put too much work into these pipes to give up now, but just the fact that I can't compete with Americans in terms of price or shipping fills me with dread.

And some advice for any wizards wanting to go the etsy route, whatever you make has to be something you have motivation to make. There are millions of people selling jewelry and soap, which means they're making money doing so, but I have no interest in jewelry or soap and thus no motivation. These pipes on the other hand fire me up with motivation, I wake up in the night thinking about them and possible design variations. If you want to "just glue some shit together" you'll never get anywhere because you won't have motivation to glue random shit together everyday. If there are already people making what you want to make that's good, because they wouldn't be wasting their time making the thing unless they were making money. Your version of the product just has to be a little different from all the others.


>I wake up in the night thinking about them and possible design variations.

It seems that you already solved the 20 products problem, why not try to sell to people from your own country_ shipping costs shouldn't be that much of a issue then.


Money is not real. It is used to control the masses.

Money is slavery.


Money is not real and money is slavery then slavery is not real.

If money is not real and money is used to control the masses then nothing is used to control the masses.


BTFO with facts and logic!

In all seriousness, the fault in your argument lies in the definition of 'not real' in the sense of 'non-existent' therefore unable to influence or control anything in the world. However, the poster is using 'not real' the same way an illusion can be not real yet influence people's minds.


It still isn't a logical argument when you think about it for more then a few seconds.


hello folks, i never had a bank account but i'm thinking of finally making one to make a living out of drawing commissions, the thing is i don't know how online payment works and wich methods to use, so if anyone can enlight me on the matter it would be much appreciated.
(not underrage, just autistic neet living with parents in case you ask)


It's pretty easy. You have to go to a bank and open an account in person and be sure you mention that you want e-banking enabled. Then just create a Paypal account and add your bank account information so you can withdraw any money you receive into your bank account. When you want someone to pay you, just give them your Paypal email address.

One thing that's a bit tricky, depending on your country, is that you might have to fill out various tax forms and notify the government about your income and then pay out a certain % of that.


depends on your country I guess? I'm sure there are tutorials on youtube.


Hi there fellow art wiz, to be anonymous from your commissioner do not write your real name and address in the paypal account but it will be difficult to change that info after. Btw what type of commissions are you planing to take? sfw or nsfw, fetishes ?


>There are millions of people selling jewelry and soap, which means they're making money doing so
That isn't true. A million people go for low hanging fruit and 1% of them at most make money from it. It's the same as youtube video creators, the majority of people never see a penny of it.

Motivation is good but your hobby shouldn't be your business. You will burn out on it and begin to hate doing it. Life needs compartments and work/leisure is an important one.


>Not that easy buddy
Then do it lol.


This. Crab bucket retards keep people down. All you have to do is be the best in your field. It takes time but if it didn't, everyone would do it.


I'm not being sarcastic btw, go into niches if you can't be on top.


>without trading short dated options


I'm pretty sad that this happened.
No one is going to listen to someone who isn't confident.
>robert kiyosaki
Fuck off.
Just so you can spend it all in one year? Taxman can take it away? Mate, please, get a hold of yourself.
Have a goal in mind.
I really liked that book but anyone who builds something properly of value and does their due diligence will do well.
lmao, this is 100% legal.


To help fellow wizzies in year 2014 I came to /wiz/ and posted a message saying that people here should buy Ethereum.

I think mods later deleted that message.

Did you miss it?

Well, you can thank mods for that. Many of you would be millionaires like me if only moderators would have allowed for that post to stay up. I have it even screenshotted somewhere, have find and dig it up.


>Fuck it, i'm gonna try and learn web development again FOR THE SIXTH TIME!!

This is a big mistake fellow wizzie. Are you unaware that GPT-3 type machine learning algorithms are able to create websites out of simple queries?


It's a dystopia.

One thing you might not know that's part of it is even when doing surveys for pennies amazon's mturk gives more surveys out to Hispanics I've read. A guide I read actually tells you to like about who you are to get the most surveys.

But real work? XD

You have to be a genius programmer for intel and also know someone that knows someone. Nepotism and good genes.

Running your own business is only impossible due to how monopolies took everything over. They overshadow you. That and automation and outsourcing took jobs away that you could have had.

A normal job? Have you considered that that drives people with ethics to suicide? Some people can only do work if they believe in what they are doing, or rather, as an agnostic I'd like to say feel fulfilled in what they are doing, because I don't believe in anything.

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