any Wizards into Gnosticism here?
I think its the perfect life view for the wizard I don't really believe in it but I like the view that claims the world was created by an evil god and the goal is to escape it I first heard about it in the manga Eden its an endless world pic related it's filled with gnostics themes and references I do recommend it to all of you
if I had to choose a religion to follow I do go to Gnosticism
and here is a good book about Gnosticism I recommend to all newcomers https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/392722.Gnosticism
you can find it on Libgen.
Why do you need a religion?
I meant on theory
There are even some Demiurgeposters here
It's a good thread so far I hope Gnostic wizards comment here
Adding more to that, you played games set in Shin Megami Tensei universe like Persona and stuff?
The games are heavily based by gnosticsm too. Order vs Chaos.
I think people who frequent imageboards might know about these gnostic principles already because too much japanese content is indirectly based on it. Except they still haven't found a word to pinpoint it exactly.
Chaos is the Indefinite Dyad and Idea is Logos. Gnosticism is just Platonism rehashed (secularized metaphysics) into a mystery religion for midwits.
SMT4 has literal gnostic saint faction on it
Phagget mods at it again, deleting and deleting
Where does this get you?
You feel powerful in your idiotry?
post moar post the whole series>>166482
Are you from 4chan?
Gnosticism comes with the /dep/ pack for beginners along with pessimist and anti-natalist literature.
I was once interested in gnosticism, I even read a book called the Gnostic Bible which contains important gnostic texts back when I was /dep/ressed. I realized later that it is just another bitter and pretentious ideology. Honestly, even if it was true, I wouldn't want to become one with the Light or Monad or whatever you call it. An existence like that - without a body - seems like a very boring and empty existence to me, and we would do exactly what all day? Sing hymns and praises to the Father of Light? Spare me, I would rather get reincarnated forever in this "sinful" and "evil" world. Same goes for achieving Nirvana or getting into the christian Heaven, I find those options boring and hollow too.
I would rather watch more anime, read books and comics, watch good movies or listen to music I enjoy than achieve gnosis/Nirvana or try to prove myself to some god. Seriously, thank you Demiurge-sama for creating this world. Otherwise I wouldn't be able to eat good food, laze around and enjoy my hobbies. You guys go ahead and pursue Enlightenment or Heaven or whatever while I enjoy life here.
Agree 100% but the gnostic weirdos will attack you and use a bunch of names to essentially say they're better than you.
life is pretty nice.
I don't want oneness or any bullshit like that. I like seperation. I don't want to be a part of anything.
I don't think anyone is a serious gnostic. It's just a religion that comes close to pessimistic beliefs.
If you can enjoy creature comforts with no downside forever, good for you, but that's not really representative of the reality for most people.
can't have anarchist thread without normans attacking the op and now the gnostic thread wiz2k20
The reason religions like Gnosticism come about is because the established religions don't really offer a satisfactory explanation for the problem of evil. Most religions claim that God is benevolent. You can't really justify that when God is encouraging killing people left and right in the Old Testament and suffering continues to exist. That's why the demi-urge or evil God vs good God concept makes perfect sense from a standpoint of trying to explain suffering and God not helping people. It's easier to believe in an unjust God than a just one on many levels.
Imagine thinking that just because you are one of 1% percentage who has not experienced suffering (yet) that makes this filthy universe and failed bodies amazing! just you wait you will lose your loved ones sooner or later, get sick sooner or later, suffer oppresion sooner or later or be a rare case and only suffer the taking your body out of this world and I'm not saying out of malice but out of facts, suffering is inevitable sooner or later if will hunt you down and then I dare you to keep licking the demiass.
is it another religion based on fantasy for escapism?
Mods now apparently label posting anime pictures generally as avatarfagging. Better include that in the rules, boys.>>166557>>166560
I wasn't saying life is beautiful and enjoyable for everyone. My point was that just because your life sucks you shouldn't go around telling others that life in general sucks. Your kind of existence isn't the norm, just because you are miserable you should acknowledge that happy people do exist and happiness is real. Life isn't suffering for everyone. If you are healthy and rich then you can go through life without much worries. Gnosticism and other life-denying ideologies give comfort to the weak and unlucky people, they tell them that every form of existence is suffering which simply isn't true.>>166559
Gnosticism doesn't solve any problems, it only pushes them one level back. Most gnostic myths tell you that the Light is the source of everything that exists, including this world, the Demiurge usually steals some amount of that light to create stuff. And the Demiurge himself in some way originates from the Light itself usually. So how can evil exist if the Father of Goodness is so benevolent? We are back to same retarded argument again.>It's easier to believe in an unjust God than a just one on many levels.
No, it is easier to believe in a neutral Creator than in either a just or unjust one. You can't explain logically where all the good in this world comes from if you believe the Creator is evil and vice versa. It is obvious we don't live in the best or worst world we could live in so it naturally follows that the Creator can't be 100% good or evil.>>166549>I don't want oneness or any bullshit like that. I like seperation. I don't want to be a part of anything.
I know, I essentially prefer suffering here instead of being a non-individual who worships God all day or is basically one with Him. Lucifer didn't rebel because of pride, he rebelled because he got sick of the suffocating atmosphere of Heaven, he got bored. He wanted to have fun and who can blame him?
Not the guy you replied. I've gone from pessimism to optimism and now back to pessimism. It is true that the worldview is biased from the perspective we look at it, but if you see it for what it is,you see that suffering is the norm. The things most people call good is just comfort and non-bad. No deprivation is in almost all cases what people call good. Isnt that enough to show you how shit this world is ?(regardless of there being another world)
Oh wow at this moment I have eaten chocolate and I feel good but I get addicted and then I need more and now it feels average and boring. How is that a good? Etc etc I can write pages but Im adhd but hey thats just life riht. Now I feel bad because I should have commit more to this post to prove mg point. But I cant because life made me this way. The only escapse is non-existence. But I wont bother with suicide since Im scared and I will die eventually. I just want to propagate antinatalism so we seize to exist. Thats the ultimate moral act. There is no need for need to be.
>>166563> Thats the ultimate moral act
no it's not, life will surface from evolution again, and again
humans should try its best to find a solution, it's going the right way with veganism and pet cultures
inmendham used to talk a lot about virtual reality he should go back to it. I can't think of a better solution without a God to patch the world and if life is cursed to keep coming to create conflict and suffering in here, that's why I will never judge the druggie wizzies if I found a med that would help me escape from reality I would do it everyday too.
Most people aren't rich/healthy. It doesn't affirm the whole. For someone to be rich and healthy, it requires other people to not be. Life in general does suck as 16653. It is the norm for life to suck. It's the anomaly to be rich and totally healthy. The exception doesn't affirm life as a whole. The only way to say it does is to say the mass of suffering is good in some way rather than life being good.
There is a miniscule amount of good compared to the suffering. Most people who have existed have led pretty shitty lives. It's all a roll of the dice and someone's well-being is typically premised on someone else's suffering.
Lol, so much pretentious smugness and bait-like whataboutism in an attempt to cope with the usual existential angst and to forget you're completely dominated by the fear of death and/or non-existence.
But whatever, this time I'll just assume it's your idea of an April Fools' joke.
Lucifer did rebel because he didn't want to bow before Adam, according to semitic monotheism. Then he was expelled and swore enmity towards every human.
It's a pretty absurd motive to get kicked out.
I believe I explained myself quite poorly, my point wasn't that everyone was rich/healthy or what the majority lives like. I was trying to say that not all forms of existence are pure suffering and unbearable. Therefore ideologies like gnosticism which preach that this world is evil and that everyone should escape it hold no ground, they are just comforts the losers of life are seeking desperately to justify why their lives are horrible. My life or your life is more suffering than pleasure probably but let's not pretend that you would still hold the same life-denying views if you were a rich NEET who could afford to live like a hermit.>>166571
I know the story but I think my own interpretation is more solid.
Imagine being created by God to be an angel who has to serve and praise Him all day long, literally zero fun allowed, it is like being in church or Sunday School for eternity. Listening to boring sermons and self-praises about how awesome He is and how grateful you should be because He created you for a life of servitude. No wonder Luci went berserk.
Yeah, mods should have allowed the anime pictures to make you easier to recognize and ignore. Faggot coward mods. Just ban him already.
>>166603>ban everyone I don't agree with!!4
Back to your social media sites, buddy.
I think one of the appeals of Gnosticism is that it's just plain cool. Recontextualizing the OT to being a great conspiracy spanning millenia, and then the true god returning to save us from the evil demiurge. It's a battle of Good and Evil and the Gnostic is in on the secret.
That doesn't mean it's any truer than any other religion of course, but might explain why people love larping about it.
What can Gnosticism practically do for my life instead of just making it worse?
If all is suffering and torment, why bother living?
For the rare off-chance that i will 'be one' with the Supreme Creator for a brief moment in this lifetime?
That seems like faith to me, packaged in different words
name of the manga?
>>169356>someone click on ImgOps for me
Where these people are coming from..
come on,dont be mean
what effort is it for you?
That's Eden, a fine seinen manga.
I think Gnosticism is attractive, but not necessarily enlightening. Mainline Christianity sort of relies on the belief that humanity and life in general are mostly good, but partially corrupted. But when you can see nothing but suffering around you, it is tempting to believe that the Creation is the actual evil, as well as the Creator. >>169157
It does just about as much as Christianity or any religion in general. Gnosticism was a Christian sect to begin with, so yes, it is faith. It just focuses more on abhorring the material world, while mainline Christianity doesn't believe Creation is evil, just partially corrupted.
I think Gnosticism is a somewhat sensible response to the discrepancies between the Old Testament and the Gospels, but it also relied on deliberately fabricated texts to assert itself.
>>169377> Gnosticism was a Christian sect to begin with, so yes
Most likely christianity is a corrupted/spin off version of gnosticism. If you look at Jesus' life his teachings and actions make more sense in a gnostic way than in an abrahamic/biblical one. In fact he pretty much contradicts the old testament which is pro-world so to say
>had no kids>rejected sex and "the flesh" >encouraged getting rid of anything material>encouraged a simpler life>the world is wicked and with his sacrifice/second coming it will be purified/destroyed and renewed>"just be like the poor lol">"give the other cheek">etc
His philosophy is pretty much anti world and "renounce-ist", he makes more sense as a gnostic invention than a continuation of biblical/jewish tradition