[ Home ] [ wiz / dep / hob / lounge / jp / meta / games / music ] [ all ] [  Rules ] [  FAQ ] [  Search /  History ] [  Textboard ] [  Wiki ]

/wiz/ - Wizardry

Disregard Females, Acquire Magic
Email
Comment

File
Embed
Password
(For file deletion.)

  [Go to bottom]   [Catalog]   [Return]   [Archive]

File: 1588269452648.jpg (386.13 KB, 1024x683, 1024:683, sloth.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

 No.167819[Last 50 Posts]

I have this huge resistance to anything that takes any effort, like school or exercise. I've been a NEET for 4 years now and I just can't make myself do anything meaningful or effortful. I see all these normies getting a degree and being active and just putting in lots of effort in everything and I don't understand how they can do it. My day consists of laying in bed or playing video games or binging on junk food and that's it, I literally can't do anything. I don't really know how to fix this, I've told my therapist and they said basic stuff like "start small", and the thing is I can't even do small things. For example I tried to learn programming 2 years and I did it for like 10 min, then I took a break and never touched it again. It wasn't even hard it was just beginner stuff like printing Hello World. I really don't know what to do anymore, I want to change, I really do, but I just can't. I never even graduated high school because I couldn't make myself do the work.

The strange thing is, it's not that I don't want to do the work, it's that I can't make myself do the work. I'll spend hours just staring at the assignment, begging myself to do it, but I just can't. It's like the part that connects my intentions to my physical actions is severed.

 No.167827

It's because you're trying to force yourself to do things that aren't meant for you. Don't listen to society's lies, it's completely possible to live a life where your happy and your "work" is a game. It's a lie that you need to break your back to survive. It's a lie that begging or luck is the only way to have a leisurely life. Have faith and the universe will provide, ingest the venom of fear and desperation and the universe will provide the nightmares that you ask of it.

 No.167843

Playing games takes an effort too, i can't even do that anymore.

 No.167845

>>167819
If you aren't motivated by 3d genitalia, then most actions in our world become unnecessary
You have freed yourself wiz, pursue higher wizdoms

 No.167846

>>167827
So i live in a hell of my own creation?

 No.167849

So few of my efforts ever achieve the intended result, or really any favorable result at all, that it's hard for me to develop an intention to make an effort in the first place. Usually I give up at the first sign of resistance, because there's no point trying extra hard only to fail extra hard later.

 No.167852

File: 1588345206695.jpg (110.6 KB, 1200x800, 3:2, adderall pills.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

>>167819
Why not just do drugs to enhance your motivation?

 No.167864

>>167846
It's just a bad dream, you can wake up.

 No.167868

>>167852
Not everyone has access to them.

 No.167924

File: 1588494479809.jpg (28.13 KB, 545x620, 109:124, i seen.JPG) ImgOps iqdb

>>167819
ive been neet for 11 years now and why change this is the best lifestyle.

 No.167925

>>167819
You have everything you need. Why toil your life away on the fields? You only expend effort if you feel there is a need.

 No.167928

>>167924
what happens when mommy dies?

 No.167932

>>167928
nothing i live on my own and get neetbux.

 No.167933

>>167924
how did your parents let you being a neet for that long?

 No.167937

>>167933
Not all parents are assholes.

 No.167940

It's because there's no point to any of it. We evolved to do things that we needed to do in order to survive, now we don't need to do any of those things anymore so what's the point? If a lion was chasing you, you would run, if you were starving you would look for food, but nothing in your life has ever required your effort to do anything other than avoid scorn from others, but that becomes more and more meaningless the further you let yourself slip into social isolation. Who cares what normies think of you when you don't even interact with them in any meaningful way?

 No.167981

Life doesn't reward effort it's not guaranteed for hardwork to be rewarded. If only it was more like an mmo where you gain visible experience and levels. no wonder why people drop out

 No.167983

>>167981
Actually it does, just that your potentiality is crap like a low tier character who gets 2 points per level while others get 5+

 No.167984

>>167983
Bad way of looking at dumb luck and circumstance.

 No.168002

>>167983
Nah it's more like you can get 0 per level and other people get between 1-5.

 No.168003

>>167819
For me, I'll start on something and even try at it for a while, but I realize I'm not making any real progress, so I just don't want to do anything after that. I can't imagine a scenario at this point where putting effort into anything is good unless I'm noticing progress. Talented people just don't get stuck and have endless problem-solving ability. There are also savants who are good at just one thing, but the type of people you talk about are well-rounded.

 No.168004

>>168002
>you can get 0 per level
Yeah, if you're lucky you might get to stay where you are instead of going backwards.

 No.168012

masturbate less and less then stop masturbating,then u will have endless energy and will automatically do all normie stuff without effort.

 No.168017

>>168004
Normies will work out for muscles only to grow old and see their hard work disappear. The human body is full of flaws.

 No.168020

>>168017
The appeal just isn't there to having them and trying to maintain the figure. People try to max out in their youths because the youth is the prime of life. Rest is just regrets unless you're famous/rich already and can coast off that.

 No.168220

>167819

For me at least environment plays a huge role in what I do. When I'm at work in the office I am a hard worker. When I'm in the library I can study for hours without breaks. When I'm at home I'm a lazy slob who does nothing productive, be it cleaning or studying or whatever, unless I find it interesting and fun which is very rare. I see this right now especially with being on lock down and "working" from home; I turned from one of the better workers in the office into a useless shit overnight. I simply have no motivation whatsoever to do anything when I'm at home and when I do try to force myself to do something it feels like my body is going to explode and I stop minutes later. I'd rather experience physical pain than do anything productive when I'm home.

Looking at other people I suspect they also run into the same issue. Why do so many people go to the gym instead of working out at home? It's objectively less efficient, you waste an extra hour going and coming back from the gym that you could be using to work out or do anything else if you exercised at home. But I have a feeling that those people can only motivate themselves to workout when they are in that gym, and when they tried doing so at home they ran into the same issue.

I think it's better to look at willpower not as a constant effort to force yourself to do something but a single moment of effort that lets you shape your life in a way that makes the stuff that you want or that needs to be done easier to do. You don't change the direction of a river by going in the middle of it and trying to push it in the right direction, you change the direction by dropping some earth in proper places, and the water eventually flows where you want it by itself.

 No.168251

File: 1589297887132.jpeg (48.48 KB, 640x270, 64:27, C51ACBAE-99A9-474F-AC55-0….jpeg) ImgOps iqdb

>>167819
I think by “start small”, she meant stuff more like going for a walk a few times a day, eating less junk food, and trying to socialize more, rather than immediately diving into learning a complex and challenging skill. Learning to program is definitely not a small thing, and even if the steps to learn a language are small, they aren’t very rewarding individually. I’ve always found that if one doesn’t attend to one’s basic needs, like getting an adequate diet and socializing a bit (the chans don’t count), then it’s very difficult for one to work on self-improvement. First you must improve your quality of life, even if it’s only in basic ways like drinking more water or going outside more often. Also, it probably wouldn’t hurt to spend less time on the chans; these places are the epitome of the phrase “misery loves company”.

 No.168252

Used to experience it worse and still experience it daily. I know this isn't posted in /dep/ but I can only relate to it through those experiences. Describing to people looking at your hands and them not moving is hard for others to understand, especially when you may respond to or seek base pleasures that act as distractions rather than pleasures.

One of the solutions I found was around the idea that your brain isn't getting the feedback it should around action. In theory mindful meditation etc should provide the feedback focusing on the sensations of moving, but it didn't provide it for me although I think it is useful. Every morning after a few other things I do a progressive movement program going from moving one finger for 1 minute, to moving one hand, to moving two hands, to making opposite hands touching, getting up, taking random steps, walking to a specific room - all while reporting it to myself with words. "You are moving your finger. You are using your intention to move your finger". Bridging the lack feedback by reporting it back with words.

I can get up out of bed and go to the toilet without issue since this is automatic, then when I sit down I can struggle to move my body to do a chore. Moving the finger for the reason to start that chore is harder than doing the action in itself and it all happens on a subconscious level.

I struggled with doing a simple chore list for a decade but this exercise was part of what allowed my body to "react" to the intention to start doing a chore for example. A lot of people don't experience that breakdown where the body doesn't really react to intention, or the automatic unthought action doesn't really start happening.

Outlining exactly what you intend to do, the values that underline why you want to do it, then doing the exercise to slowly connect your mind back to your body is part of what helped me with this kind of issue.

 No.168271

>>167819
I also have trouble with effort in most things. But to be fair every time I have ever tried to improve my life and some of those times I worked so damn hard for years its either failed or blew up in my face. The psychological damage I took from those attempts when they failed took me further backwards and has never healed. There has not been one success, sometimes my life improvement projects were small like losing weight over a long period of time and sometimes it was big like trying to get these IT certifications and I liked studying that shit for the most part. But in the end everything I do returns to zero or worse and I end up feeling like a fucking cripple. Sometimes I do everything right and other people like my parents fuck me over.

I just can't anymore I am almost 40 and cannot handle the pain anymore. Its all so tiresome. Last big push to improve is going to be committing suicide I think. I could fuck that up too be really the choice I have in life boils down to Suicide,be homeless or commit a crime on purpose and go to prison. No fucking thanks to the last two of those things.

 No.168282

>>168252
>I can get up out of bed and go to the toilet without issue since this is automatic,
I can lie in bed for hours thinking about needing to do that, while hardly moving a muscle.

 No.168284

>>168282
There is a point where your body reacts to the need to desperately pee even if you're sitting there struggling to move towards intentioned action, or you do nothing and soil yourself which I presume you're not saying is the case? Although I know about doing that too. I used to use pissbottles and other things to piss in when getting up to the bathroom was very hard. Becoming a filth goblin because you can barely act is a bad situation but there are gradual ways outs I believe.

 No.168299

File: 1589460183482.jpg (75.24 KB, 700x913, 700:913, aprd3APQ_700w_0.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

>>167819
we seems to be similar
one thing I am trying to do, something you might try, is fixing the chemicals in your brain in a way you want to be

humans are just robots made out of flesh
we are enslaved by our subcontiousness, unable to free ourselves

we, my friend in mind, could try influence our subconciousness' by changing the amount of chemicals in our brains

just like someone who wants to quit smoking misses nicotin molecules in his brain, we could try to do stuff to raise the motivation hormones levels in our brains

to be frank i have no clue how to do that
i will try to abstain from things i like for now
it will take time, much time
but if that process takes only one year, i could have finished that process five times and be happy now

good luck op

 No.168305

>>168299
It's better to make friends with your subconscious instead of trying to fight or manipulate it.

 No.168384

>>167852
Stims are the only way I'm functional, I hate the way they make me feel though, not worth selling my soul for success.

 No.168397

>>168387
I do all these things and it's really not that simple.
At this point I'm 99% sure even winning the lottery wouldn't make me feel better about my life and I'd really have to experiment with happy pills or go through mentally scarring experiences such as narcotic bad trips or near death experiences. EVERYTHING is tiresome, drinking is tiresome because pissing is tiresome, getting enough sleep is tiresome because I have to get to bed early. Walks are mind numbingly boring, I'd have to turn my life around to save it with those half-assed measures.

 No.168413

File: 1589698041239.jpg (12.92 KB, 255x253, 255:253, panjeetproblems.jpg) ImgOps iqdb

Does anyone have any advice about 'Seeking Excellence'?

I'm tired of being a degenerate, yet i am also too intelligent to be herdcattle, so i am caught in the middle.

Being a comfy boi is wearing down my sprit, yet, sustained effort is also undesired

 No.168417

Suffering is the fundamental setting of human reality. Once you accept this things start to become easier. We live in a society where happiness is the assumed state of human reality. This makes people depressed because they always feel like they personally are worse off then everyone else. It is not personal, this is the normal state. Taking it personal makes you go to the shrink or wanting to improve.

 No.168434

>>168417
Isn't that given up the the suffering though?
The modern solution to suffering is to take up the challenge and bear the responsibility, clean up your room and sort yourself out.
Do you not agree with this?

 No.168436

>>168434
No, Mr. Memerson, I don't because it used to make me depressed. I am better off now where I accepted suffering. Without taking pills like that guy did that you impersonate. He went to a hospital in russia and might as well have died. The modern solution makes people ill and drug addicted.

 No.168443

>>168413
What makes you think you are above average in intelligence?

 No.168445

>>168443
Have you seen the average normalfaggot? Even a depcrab who whines about being dumb is above average in intelligence.

 No.168446

>>168445
It depends where you live. I imagine a norwegian normalfag is gonna be a lot smarter than a brazilian one.

 No.168449


 No.168451

>>168445
How do you define intelligence? I think the word you are looking for is awareness or introspection.

 No.168452

>>167981
>>167819

i have the same exact thing. It's because im horrible at everything, and have to work twice as hard at everything because of bad genetics to get the same result as the norm norms. If normies get exhausted they cry and quit and go get drunk. But, my ass is supposed to work work work work work

>>167981

for some it is. for people like me it s like the video game where the levels get harder and you never level up

 No.168472

>>168451
i agree, you can be a funkopop office watching bazgina shouting numale (no awareness) while being a 180 IQ machine learning enthusiast. not mutually exclusive

 No.168533

>>168436
*sniff* *sniff* Smells like a fresh batch of ad hominem my boyo!!
You are better off lying in your own filth than creating order out of chaos?
The 'modern solution' is one that has been proposed since the beginning of time. Go out into the world, take responsibility, find a challenge, and a cause worth sacrificing for.

 No.168557

>>168533
Tell me about your responsibility. What exactly are you responsible for as a wizard?

 No.168558

>>168434
> clean up your room
Try being less obvious bruh.

 No.168561

>>168558
Maybe the larper doesn't even know what he represents anymore. Or it's just low effort.

 No.168574

>>168557
I am responsible for getting my life together and no longer rotting in my room like i have been for the last 8 years, why are you all trying to put me down?
This isn't /dep/ i'm trying to free myself from my situation
>>168558
For what? It's good advice, so what, you don't? You just let crap pile up and don't attend to the things you can fix in your surroundings?
Try less sarcastic responses and try being more constructive
>>168561
As low-effort as your post? Again, try some constructive criticism, or is that too obvious?

 No.168575

>>168561
>>168557
>>168558
You pr—s certainly rustle my jimmies acting like you are too good to improve yourself?
Are you better than i??
I cast out out of my mind forever

 No.168576

>>168574
Good for you, lad. More wizards should follow in your footsteps.

 No.168594

File: 1590065982169.png (55.39 KB, 400x300, 4:3, c282a255d51de802c60573755b….png) ImgOps iqdb


 No.168620

>>168576
Thanks, you can see the crabs(in a bucket) go real silent when you give them some hard truths they find difficult to accept

 No.168641

>>168620
You just don't understand what it means to accept suffering. It does not contradict to care about yourself and your surroundings neither does it mean to adapt the crab life. Actually I know a married father good earner who says excatly that. Whatever, if your narrative works for you then that's fine with me, the purpose is the same I guess.

 No.169017

>>167924
I have you beat (13 years), father is dead, mommy is working and barely hanging on. Looks like I might be homeless soon. Yep.

 No.169020

>>169017
well it's fun while it lasts. I wouldn't be able to handle wageslaving instead. it's kind of a bizarre mindset most people have where you have some sort of duty to work when in reality, people are flushed out of working as much as possible. there isn't anyone desperately asking for paid help because that's not how it works, especially in the last 20-30 years with the labor force participation rate.

 No.169065

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avolition

I have struggled with this for years. Been diagnosed as bipolar 2 (although I only get manic from antidepressants) and it is supposedly a symptom of that as well as of schizophrenia.

 No.169587

>>169017
shouldve planned ahead. shouldve got on lists for public housing and claim disability. my rent is fucking 250 dollars everything included even this internet connection. unless they cut off the welfare system i will be neet for life. u should look into it.

 No.169624

>>167819
You say that you can't do anything that requires effort, how about stopping yourself from doing things that are bad for you?
Stop eating junk food for a start. It's killing the bacteria in your intestines that give you energy (I don't mean short bursts, but lasting energy). Second thing about junk food, dopamine. The more you satisfy yourself, the less it's probable that you'd convince yourself to do something actually worth doing. Discipline is like a muscle, you need to put it to use, so it won't get weak.

https://sciencebeta.com/brain-focus-long-term-goal-maintaining/ ← some food for thought

>>167940
Yet some people have all the basics provided, and still struggle to make something of themselves.
We are more than our insticts, believe you me. If we truly have all we need, then why we feel so bad about doing nothing with ourselves?

I recommend you all read War of art by Steven Pressfield or watch this vid, which kind of summarizes the book.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lTcgSzf0AQ
Author references to all those negative forces keeping us from doing something the 'resistance', just like op.

>>168413
You sound like you'd like that book.

 No.169626

>>167827
>It's because you're trying to force yourself to do things that aren't meant for you.
How do I figure out what I'm meant to do? I barely enjoy doing anything. It's like I just wasn't built to function.

 No.169627

>>169626
Abandon the idea that you're obligated to do anything. When you're in this state, observe what you feel compelled to do. If you feel compelled to do nothing, then do nothing until you feel compelled to do something. Make sure to perceive these feelings and make sure that they come from within and not from without. If they come from within then follow them. This might mean going into hedonism for a while, it might be necessary but I can tell you that it's not your destination. Just make sure to stay conscious of what you're doing and why, you'll find your path eventually.

 No.169630

"Start small" is good advice. We have to practice discipline on the small things, if you can't get them right you won't ever manage the big things. It's not easy, but start ordering simple things, room clean bucko, brush your teeth everyday, just start cleaning out those little habits that aren't working out. You have a lifetime of poor habits under your belt to break, and that means it's going to take time, but if you work at it, and get the small things right, overtime bigger things will start to fall in place.

 No.169643

>>169630
Is there a way i can avoid showering more than once a week, any remedies, lemon juice, baking soda etc..?

 No.169644

>>169643
Live in a cold place, sleep naked, avoid strenuous activities, wear deodorant (obviously), wear little clothing.

 No.169645

>>169643
sponge baths

 No.169875

"It is very easy to explain.

What is life:

Nothing but a big lottery. Your genes and your environment determine your future.

Some people have it all, handsome, high iq, good parents, plus a lot of luck. These people will succeed in the world. They will grow up to be high on the social hierarchy.

Other people have bad luck. Bad genes etc They will fail in life. They have to live a low hierarchy life, filled with wageslaving and no way to climb, no friends no girlfriends etc.

So you see this whole life is a big lottery and now take into consideration that the whole word tells you YOU ARE A FAILURE.
People like Peterson tell people that you should take responsibility because whereever you are in life, it is not the fault of others.
Also see how the average low conscious normie worships successful people etc and looks down on failures.

Is it really that hard to imagine why someone would prefer to kill themselves over getting humiliated by the essence of human nature?

If it is all about luck, and you didnt have luck and the world constantly tells you that it is your fault for being such a messed up failure, how could sensitive high conscious people not get crushed by that feeling, and develop mental illnesses and consider suicide.

I just hope that one day I too will overcome my burden( will to survive) and can end my suffering. If I cant be one of the lucky guys why should I give my life to make lucky people happy. I wageslave for them, I make less money so they can have more. I have to feel bad so they can feel superior and better.

That's definitely not worth it. Everyday I wish that I get run over by a truck.
But no even to get a free ticket out of life you have to be one of the lucky ones.
Some people can die already at 25, they never had to feel bad for one day, they never knew what truck hit them.

Other people suffer until they are 89 always having suicidal thoughts but never being able to overcome the survival instinct. That's what I call hell. "

 No.169877

>>169875
Your suffering is pleasing to the Gods, and you must pay tribute by staying alive as long as possible

 No.169878

Dear Anonymage,

Your problem is called procrastination, and it is real and very very serious.

What causes it is basically fear for failure. You must learn to overcome your fear of failure and make yourself fail, and learn and know and accept in your heart that failure is OK and not a bad thing at all.

Try to deliberately fail, and then consider why and how you have failed. Then work up to how your failures are impacting your long term plans, (e.g. getting out of bed) and try to fetishise *attempting* the thing, but not feeling that it matters if you succeed or not. If you do that you will slowly start to notice a change.

 No.169885

>>169875
"We are paid to live, you know. When the wages are too meagre we throw up the job, which is the cause, believe me, of all rational suicide." Jack London

 No.169934

>>169878
What a load of nonsense. If all you know is failure no attempting will bring you anywhere.

 No.169935

>>169934
Really? You've failed at every single thing you've ever attempted your entire life?

 No.169936

File: 1592962547242.jpg (13.15 KB, 400x346, 200:173, Kanaboon.JPG) ImgOps iqdb

>>169935
I constantly get older, I have tried to be better, but I just keep becoming worse every second.

 No.169947

>>169935
Considering I've been worse in every single thing I did than others have been, yes, I'd call that complete failure.

 No.169964

>>169935
Have a think about how badly things have to go in someone's life to turn "getting out of bed" into a long-term plan (as written in >>169878).

 No.170050

>>169936
Glad someone else gets it. It gets old seeing all these greenhorn wizkids who do well in life saying "just get over it brah".

 No.170051

>>169878
>What causes it is basically fear for failure.
I mostly avoid things I deem chores. Usually because the process becomes inefficient to the point it makes me angry and probably my brain tries to avoid anger now because it ruins my life. Also negative feedback. I used to do chores and do how my parents asked, but no good deed went unpunished.
There's no fear of failure, there's fear of exterting a lot of effort for naught.

 No.170080

>>169624
we feel bad for doing nothing with ourselves because our brain has been programmed by society, family and DNA to be "productive" aka improve our social and work status. Thats why people get depressed and sad when they have free time after work or when they retire or are in vacation. Work and clock-based living is what motivates them. Kids are programmed to the clock to prepare them for wageslavery. Everything is timed from school to outside school activities. You get depressed for doing nothing because you think that something is always better because it gives you identity or purpose. And having fun is concidered a treat or a gift for hard work. You exchange free time for money to buy things.

Life is inherently rape and cohersion since birth is an imposition therefore all life is a prison regardless of how you model this world in your brain. You might think, for exemple that your parents are your best friends and feel a deep bond with them and they love you and take care if you, but this is a bond similar to Stockholm Syndrome since you were coherced to exist and they feed and shelter you so you dont die the same way a black slave from birth might get fed and sheltered by his owners and given good treatement (which is not always the case from parents ofc) and the slave gets feelings for his master for giving him good food if he works extra well. Etc etc. The situation is the same with parents and children even though its almost never seen in that light (same as wiyh ajkmal abuse in corelation) They reverse the logic to make the kid indebted to the parents for life is a gift and they take care of you so you dont die… I dont know were I was going with this. I m rambling my antinatalist thoughts lol

 No.170081

>>170080
>I am being oppressed by my brain
>I am being oppressed by my DNA
So if you aren't your brain or your genetic material then what are you?
Or are you raping yourself here?

 No.170085

>>167827
>Have faith and the universe will provide, ingest the venom of fear and desperation and the universe will provide the nightmares that you ask of it
Irrational mush. So I could wander into the jungle and as long as I have faith (in what?) wild boars will leap out of their hide and into my campfire when I'm hungry and fresh springs will sprout out of the ground whenever I am thirsty? I guess that delicious boar was ingesting too much "venom and fear of desperation" so he was punished for his lack of faith (in what?) by suffering the agonizing flames to be my supper. In reality, happy thoughts won't block a psychopath's indiscriminate blade yet some fear and desperation may increase your odds of survival.

>Don't listen to society's lies, it's completely possible to live a life where your happy and your "work" is a game. It's a lie that you need to break your back to survive. It's a lie that begging or luck is the only way to have a leisurely life.

Probably possible in the context of the whole of humanity. Possibly possible in the context of OP.

 No.170094

>>170085
It will be impossible for you to die if you refuse to die. It will be impossible for you to suffer if you refuse to suffer. Your refusal to adopt this life is what the theologians call "hell", in that you are caught in pain-pleasure loops and thus are stymied in your quest to become God. It's not eternal so don't worry, even if it takes deaths you will break out of it, because all life is set on a trajectory of evolution towards the 0 point, which lacks all qualia and does not feel time nor space, no matter how slow. Even a slug is pursuing 0, but much slower than a man, even a man in hell.

>so he was punished for his lack of faith

No, not punished. Death is necessary so long as you are mortal, it is a cleansing function. You die every second as your old self becomes a new self, death of the body and the personality is just different in scope. (This is also why death-drugs like alcohol are enjoyable by some, and why after nearly dying you feel euphoria) The boar was partaking in the predator-prey game, and thus it experienced the full scope of that reality. Because we are not eternal yet we must dissolve the skin and ingest all of reality's adjectives and verbs, this gently leads to the realization of a higher self, the self that is orchestrating the game, that is manifesting the events which originate from the Mind. This is what people worship as God, but it is not God, you are God, but not the you that is reading this, the you that is creating the words which should be atoms or should be chaos but are not, they arise from the constant verb of "I am", which is duality, which is ∞. ∞ is 2, 0 is 1. The function of life is to turn ∞ to 0, and then having achieved the infinite quintessence of 0, return to ∞ as the perfected Son.

 No.170096

>>170085
stop replying to him

 No.170107

>>170080
Is telling you to brush your teeth "rape and cohersion"?
Also it's coercion, you should grow up a little drama queen

 No.170113

>>170107
Nice normie advice. Thank you. Now I see that my negative utilitarian philosophy was wrong and an ilness that need to be cured I will, from now on, value pain and suffering as good and necessary. The more tortured sentient beings the better. I will go call my parents and thank them for their glorious decision to bring me onto this planet. Imagine never existing. Oh my god! The horror of not being limited by ressources and the not having the need to eat and have a roof to not die. Imagine not going through ilnesses and death. Oh my god I need to stop being a wizard and create a baby. Thank you for your post dear wiz. I now know what is my calling. My calling is to perpetuate suffering. I'll go skin an animal while we're at it to make him purposeful for me. Thank me later animal.

In all seriousness nice strawman. Read the definition of rape and come back and tell me being birthed doesnt fall into that definition.

 No.170115

>>170113
>rape: unlawful sexual intercourse or any other sexual penetration of the vagina, anus, or mouth of another person, with or without force, by a sex organ, other body part, or foreign object, without the consent of the victim. statutory rape
birthing is not unlawful, not sexual penetration with something into your mangina etc, and if you still absolutely mean you were "raped" you should have been born from wizchan as you were not a virgin, read the rules
And grow the fuck up

 No.170116

>>170115
Also read the dictionary
And graduate from being a drama queen

 No.170117

>>170115
*born->banned

 No.170118

>>170115
He is right though. Giving birth is pointless reproduction of more suffering, it's without consent and often the mother is uncaring and unloving so the born child is nothing but a means to fill her ego, often the circumstances in which the child is born predetermine it to failure, illness and chronic pain. There is no excuse for this, only under the most promising of circumstances mothers should be allowed to have children.

 No.170120

>>170118
You're holding your parents to standards of personal responsibility that you yourself refuse to adopt. You claim that you're "predetermined" to your current life and yet you treat your progenitors as though they have free will. If you can't be made responsible for your bad life choices then neither can your parents.

 No.170121

>>170120
You lose the right to complain about life when you have children. Breeders are second class citizens.

 No.170122

>>170121
The "right to complain" is irrelevant. Either you're responsible for your actions or not, you don't get to arbitrarily switch between determinism and free will based on solely on whether or not you dislike the person in question.

 No.170133

>>170122
Everyone has the choice to not make a child, especially in first world countries where birth control and abortion is accessible. You can on the other not choose to be born. Only the living have responsibility, and the only responsibility I have is to not have offspring.

 No.170134

>>170122
>Either you're responsible for your actions or not
Problem with breeding is it's like murder - your actions involve someone's else life. For murder there is punishment, for giving life not so much.

 No.170135

>>170133
I thought your life was predetermined the moment you were born, as is stated here >>170118? If your parents were predetermined to reproduce the moment they were born holding them responsible for that action would mean that we must hold you responsible for your actions as well – actions such as choosing to perpetuate your life by eating and drinking, choosing to consume resources that may have been used by someone else, choosing to do things that make you unhappy, choosing not to end your own life, whatever.

>>170134
Stating that an action affects a human does not magically grant every actor in the situation agency. In a deterministic universe the human is just a series of random chemical reactions carrying out their predetermined course. Saying that a human is responsible for it's actions is like saying that a boulder is responsible for falling and crushing someone.

 No.170137

>>170135
I said: "often the circumstances in which the child is born predetermine it". This does not equal that there is no free will and that everything is predetermined. It's a matter of chance. Someone who is accomplpished enough of a human to have sex and make a child is accomplished of a human to abort it.

 No.170141

>>170137
What logic are you using to decide whether or not circumstances destroy an individual's free will or not? I could just as well say that someone having good genetics being born to loving parents predetermine them to a happy life.
>Someone who is accomplpished enough of a human to have sex and make a child
lol you don't need to be an accomplished human to have sex

 No.170163

>>170141
There are cases of persons who grow up under bad circumstances and still live a happy and good life, there are cases of persons who grow up under good circumstances who will live a sad and depressed life. But we can say that statistically the person lives a life according to the circumstances under which they grow up. Of course statistics require an amount of rational and unbiased thinking most people are not capable of so their emotions drive them towards a behavior where they breed regardless and instinctively think that their special offspring will make it. And then they start bitching at you when it didn't work out as they thought it would. Having no self control and being driven by emotion as an excuse for having children implies that responsibility never was a thing, how do you expect the victim to take responsibility before the criminal? That's a twisted kind of moral.

 No.170193

yeah it comes down to basically how people deal with the factors they're not able to change. a low status male will set his sights lower and lower and probably procreate anyway. poor ugly people will settle for other poor ugly people and more well off guys tend to try to find succubi who are better looking but from poor countries.

 No.170196

>>169624
>We are more than our insticts
You wish. The struggle you feel is because you feel watched by society at large. It's nothing but internalized shame.

 No.170348

>>170120
>If you can't be made responsible for your bad life choices then neither can your parents.
I must have forgot the part were someone forced them at gunpoint to have sex without a condom

 No.170350

>>170348
If that's the metric we're using then there's no way you can escape responsibility for how your own actions have contributed to the current state of your life.

 No.170445

>>168384
>use adderall
>become addict but success and wealth
>pay a luxury rehab clinic

looks like a good plan

 No.170452

>>170350
nah it's easy to use protection. it's not easy to make things work out in a competitive world.

 No.170453

>>170452
I'm talking about specific actions, not a life goal of "making things work out", whatever that means.

If you're upset because you are, say, obese. You can't just ignore your own decisions that led to that such as, say, your decision to eat a lot of junk food, and claim that your parents are responsible for that. Because if your parents are responsible for the effects of the actions that you chose to perform just because they created you and are therefore apparently responsible for everything you do, well they can just use the same excuse. THEY wouldn't have had sex and gave birth to you if THEIR parents had just used protection. Therefore they get to escape all personal responsibility just like you.

 No.170509

>>167819
You are trying to run a rally without a car and without fuel. First find the car, find the fuel… forget the rally, for when the time comes, it goes naturally.

You won't be needed of extra effort to achieve whatever your warpless mind may motivate you into, but it is involuntary. You are warped meanwhile


[Last 50 Posts]
[Go to top] [Catalog] [Return][Post a Reply]
Delete Post [ ]
[ Home ] [ wiz / dep / hob / lounge / jp / meta / games / music ] [ all ] [  Rules ] [  FAQ ] [  Search /  History ] [  Textboard ] [  Wiki ]